Why does a 4.0L V8 sound deeper than a 2.0 I4?
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Theoretically both configurations have the same cylinder volume, so I'd expect them to sound similar when they fire. But that is not the case.
Why does the V8 sound so much deeper? Is it becuase there's more volume in the intake and exhaust manifolds?
phxbimmer@reddit
And then there’s Porsche with their 3L i4 in the 944 which has a very confusing sound
fiddlythingsATX@reddit
I have one and yup.
phxbimmer@reddit
Great cars! I had an 87 944S, sold it too quickly and right before they skyrocketed in price. I did get to work on a friend's 944 S2 and put some miles on it, super fun car to drive.
shreddedsharpcheddar@reddit
firing order/crank angles + exhaust pulse width + exhaust pulse resonance + exhaust design
AngryScottish@reddit
So, basically magic and maybe magnets?
The real thing that gets me is how flat6 engines sound better than v6s.
tupaquetes@reddit
Not magic. An engine's sound is made up of individual pulses every time a cylinder exhausts. It's just a bunch of individual "bangs", like someone repeatedly hitting a table really. What makes it sound continuous is that the table is being hit thousands of times per minute. But it's really just a bunch of individual bangs and how these bangs are timed relative to one another is what determines how an engine will sound.
The firing order and crank angles determine how evenly or unevenly spaced in time the bangs are. Then the bangs travel through and out the exhaust, and depending on the exhaust geometry maybe some have less distance to travel before they're released, which again changes how evenly or unevenly spaced in time the bangs are relative to one another. For example the reason a viper v10 sounds so different to other v10s is that each bank is exhausted on a different side of the car whereas most v-engine cars have both banks joining together in the exhaust. That's why a viper sounds more like two i5s with a weird firing order than a classic v10.
AngryScottish@reddit
So, my sarcastic post was missed on at least one person
Crystal-Ammunition@reddit (OP)
Idk, I love the way Nissans VQ engines sounded like a banshee. Even the new 30DDTT or whatever it's called in the Q50/Nissan Z has that same higher pitched banshee sound when you Rev it out. But they also quickly sound like shit with the wrong setup lol.
I think you're generally right though for most I6/V6 comparisons
2222014@reddit
You might be the only person in history that loves the sound of a VQ
I_like_cake_7@reddit
VQs sound great stock, but they sound like ass with an exhaust. I loved the way the Infiniti G35 sounded back when they first came out and people hadn’t ruined them yet.
franksandbeans911@reddit
Not only that but they sound distinct. 2 blocks away, totally out of sight, you know it's a VQ getting down just by the noise. Loud vacuum cleaner to me.
ConfusingCaulk@reddit
I can almost always call out two engine types immediately: A VQ and a Subaru boxer.
pyro99998@reddit
I have a qx50 with the 3.7vhr and I love it, and there's 2 others in my town and my one buddy has a 370z and you can always tell when it's one of them getting on it.
franksandbeans911@reddit
I had an older G35 sedan a while ago, and drove a few G37's when it was in for warranty work. Was on a list to get one of the first Q50's when they hit the ground but the dealer completely fumbled it, mine never even arrived at the lot. Regardless, I did go test drive one, sales guy said "catch up to that Porsche" on a high speed tollway, and we did, with ease. Always wanted to see the Eau Rouge after that, the Red Sports were underrated IMHO.
ConfusingCaulk@reddit
I lost interest when Nissan discontinued the manual for the cars. It's nearly impossible (in my area, at least) to find a G37S/Q60 6MT that doesn't have close to 200k on the odometer for a decent price.
When I had my '06 WRX wagon, I had an older lady in a G37 pull on me at a light... she was in the right turn only lane, and I wasn't expecting her to gun it. 🤣 She barely beat me, and we were flying. Gave me a new respect for those cars.
pyro99998@reddit
Exactly lol I joke it's the perfect younger dad car, mine was 17k out the door with 30k miles on it. And sure it isn't quite a sports car, but it's still fast enough to keep up with most sports cars, and it's a blast to tool around in, in the snow and I live in Michigan so it isn't like it only sees snow a few times a year lol. I've never gotten stuck in it even in a foot of snow, it has no problems on my mom's driveway which gets icy since it's a steep hill so her take needs a running start if she's backing up or turning around if she pulled in and I don't, I stop in the middle there is the worse and just back up no problem.
franksandbeans911@reddit
LOL if she was in the right turn only lane, she was probably trying to correct a mistake and you said, oh you wanna run with me? Hahahah, I can picture her yelling, flooring it just to keep going straight, and barely winning. Good 30 second comedy skit.
I have a Volvo and everyone seems to think they're slow, maybe the average drivers are, but I got the t6 twin charged model for a reason. It surprises people pretty often, plenty of torque even though it's a pig on the scales. The T8 is newer and the real sleeper if you expect Volvos to get in front of you and idle through life. Most of them probably do, informal scan of the locals show low tier T5 and B5 optioned models are the majority.
But yeah, death of the manual for Infiniti was a bad idea, the brand fell off just as fast as it appeared and made a name for itself. Turns out, when you have something based on the main company's cars, if the main company keeps doing dumb things, you'll end up with old models or nothing at all eventually. Without a strong BMW there is no Alpina, etc.
ConfusingCaulk@reddit
Yep, that was it exactly. I started off normally and she gunned it, so I made her work for it. 🤣
I always wanted an S60R or V70R, those things were so slick. Always had a soft spot for the Swedes (SAAB especially), and they're such nice cars. I've been looking at other SUVs for when my Element finally sputters its last breath, and the smaller Volvo offerings look pretty good.
I have a buddy who's got two (!) Alpinas, one for him and one for his wife. Those cars are something else, man. You're right, the base brand has to be solid for the "upmarket" marque to work. Look at Toyota and Lexus, VW and Audi, Chevy and Cadi... Bui... GMC... no, wait.
Nissan definitely lost the plot, and both they and Infiniti suffered. I was so excited for the new Z, and then... meh.
franksandbeans911@reddit
Yeah, same. That boxer is as unique sounding as the VQ. Amazing how tough it is to get a signature sound that everyone knows eventually.
When I hear people tearing ass around me now, it's the same loud crap or snap crackle bang tunes, they all kinda blend together (probably a mustang or some kind of challenger or a beat down BMW with a bad tune). It's never like the VQ and the boxer; at this point it's like the car dudes just gave up and they think louder = cool.
ConfusingCaulk@reddit
Previously had an '06 WRX wagon (intake, exhaust, tune), and man that thing sounded incredible. I think it was an Invidia turbo-back exhaust, but it was so perfect. I had plenty of other Subaru enthusiasts say it was the best sounding exhaust they'd heard. I bought it like that, so I was like, "Cool, yeah. I dig it." 😅
I'm currently running a 2018 Mini F56 S (6MT), and it's got the JCW factory tune and Pro exhaust. I leave it in Sport mode (because that's where I get my best MPGs, ironically) and the pops and bangs are silly. Fun, but silly.
It's not terribly loud, otherwise, but I get what you're saying. Around here it's mostly Chargers, Mustangs, and clapped out old pickup trucks that are the most obnoxious.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
There are aftermarket exhausts that sound good on a VQ, ARK GRIP has done a lot of solid work with aftermarket V6 exhausts, sounds great on a VQ and makes a genesis coupe sound better than it ever should have lol.
Problem is 95% of VQs out there have some ebay/alibaba bullshit that basically amounts to a straight pipe slapped on.
Vanhandle@reddit
I used to have a supercharged g37s with the Stillen super and Invidia exhaust. It was loud, especially with the bypass blowoff sound, the exhaust wasn't crazy loud like I hear on other VQs
https://youtu.be/p9_9kgNUqS8?si=L-aEwLtLCgGnzUAY
ConfusingCaulk@reddit
That's so hot, always wanted a G37S 6MT.
Not to mention supercharged... 🤤
velociraptorfarmer@reddit
I had the Ark Grip catback plus Fast Intentions resonated high flow cats on my G35xS. I loved the way that thing sounded.
trackdaybruh@reddit
Yeah, listening to the stock G35/350z as a kid when it was first released was amazing. Made me always look out for those cars
Atompunk78@reddit
What?? I love them too, at least
I thought most people did
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
It's a generational divide - people old enough to remember what they sounded like coming from the factory vs younger people who have only heard clapped out fart canned G37s rolling around street shutdowns.
FrankReynoldsCPA@reddit
IDK man i'm in my mid-late 30's and I've never liked how they sound.
Atompunk78@reddit
Ahh that might do it lmao
That’s the thing though yeah, they sound great stock but really mid when fucked with
ConfusingCaulk@reddit
Add another one.
My buddy got a 350Z when it came out, and man, that VQ snarl is one of my favorite sounds.
Though too many people put shitty exhausts on the automatics that make them sound like bad trombone players...
by_a_pyre_light@reddit
Lots of people love the VQ when done right. The issue is all the idiots who rice them out with shit exhaust setups that sound terrible. I will not argue the VQ is the best sounding engine; it's probably the worst among enthusiast cars I've ever owned, but when you spring for the right downpipes and exhaust, it sounds pretty decent on its own.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
No, the VQ sounds fantastic stock. It was one of those things that was super hyped when it came out too, very few cars sounded that unique and good at that point in time.
The problem is almost every time in the last 10 years anyone has come across a VQ engine it's in a clapped the fuck out G35/7 and sounds like absolute ass with the worst possible ebay exhaust imaginable slapped on.
quiksi@reddit
I loved the FX35 when that first came out. The VQ sound was hilarious coming out of a family crossover.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
Man, makes me kinda sad thinking about all the momentum Nissan/Infiniti had then and where they are now
quiksi@reddit
Blame Le Cost Cutter
2222014@reddit
Ehhh that particular one doesn't sound horrible but the trumpetness of them is what kills it.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
I think most people just don't remember what a stock one sounded like, they got too cheap and every 19 year old with a few grand snagged one then slapped an autozone fart can on it. But stock it was a great sounding engine.
Roonil-B_Wazlib@reddit
That is not at all a good sounding v6 😐
ryanmi@reddit
i think the best is to actually just do long tube headers and then leave the rest of the exhaust stock, especially the muffler.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
This is an underrated change for a lot of cars, and translates well in the turbo world too. My Supra has a high flow downpipe and stock exhaust, it sounds amazing but isn't overly obnoxious in any capacity.
ryanmi@reddit
usually the best performance gains as well. having a 4"inch cat back isn't going to do much for you if the header merge collector is 2"inches.
Conspicuous_Ruse@reddit
It sounds exactly like a trombone.
https://youtu.be/s5IKthNYhVY
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velociraptorfarmer@reddit
How on earth was that political?
Alternative_Ear5542@reddit
There are dozens of us!
levinano@reddit
Saying people don’t like VQ sounds is like saying people don’t like Honda engine sounds because 90% of the population throws a fart can on them.
VQ’s purr and a S2k’s 9000 RPM or K24 VTECH can sound absolutely amazing with a well designed exhaust, or just anything that isn’t a straight pipe or fart can.
nova46@reddit
Agreed. Honda's real magic is the induction noise, a J series or K24 hitting VTEC with a loud intake will grab my attention immediately.
RiftHunter4@reddit
A VQ with a good exhaust is glorious but most Z owners don't buy good ones. The Infiniti owners are the worst lol.
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Crystal-Ammunition@reddit (OP)
😅😅😅
LiplessHen456@reddit
I don't know why you're getting hate. The 3.5 sounds amazing
AngryScottish@reddit
Not inline 6 cyl to V6s, but flat 6 cyl to V6s. Example: Porsche flat 6 sounds much better than virtually any V6 engine. Alfa fans will certainly disagree though
Still, the best sounding 6 cylinder of all time is the VR6.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
I mean, I may be biased (cuz Supra owner) but I think I6 engines also sound far better than v6 engines in general.
BMW has done a lot to tarnish this as of late (out of engineering necessity) with their twin turbos creating a not great sound, but a single turbo I6 or NA I6 is an amazing sounding engine.
One_Evil_Monkey@reddit
I'm with you on the inline 6 sound.
They pretty much sound better than just about any V6.
Flat/boxer 6s are better than practically all V6s too.
AngryScottish@reddit
It seems like anytime you stack all the exhaust/intake ports on one side of the engine, glorious things happen.
Which is why I struggle with flat 6s being so much better sounding than v6s.
BMW always had some of the best inline 6 noises
Oo__II__oO@reddit
Thanks to this I just found out VR6 also stacks all intakes on the same side of the engine
dxearner@reddit
The staggered cylinder bore design in vr6's is also really neat.
SizeableFowl@reddit
VQs always sounded like damaged trumpets to my ear lol
_clever_reference_@reddit
🤢
One_Evil_Monkey@reddit
Inline 6s and boxer/flat 6s usually do sound better than almost all V6s.
PinballDiplomat@reddit
flat6 sounds like a angry swarm of bees with perfect pitch
VIPERsssss@reddit
Personally, I quite like the flat 12.
nova46@reddit
I may be in the minority here but I don't like how most flat 6s sound, with the exception of the crazy 4L GT3 Porsche engines.
Honda J series induction noise, Toyota V6s (Emira), and the Nissan VQ (mainly the GTR but also tastefully done NA ones) all sound fantastic to me.
Iman1022@reddit
Idk why v6s almost always sound worse than i6 or flats 😭
ThetaGrim@reddit
Not the jags though
xrelaht@reddit
Straight-6 and flat-6 are both naturally harmonically balanced. V6 isn’t.
gogoggansgo@reddit
It’s also why the Yamaha cross plane inline 4s sounds so much louder and different
CG_Ops@reddit
I'll never forget how excited I was to get my first sportbike, an R6, a year after my first bike, an SV650S, back in 2001. A racer friend gifted me his Yoshimura pipe and it sounded AWESOME! Bike tax , after I converted it to street fighter after someone took me out at a track day went
A few years later, my racing buddy got a brand new 2009 R1 and it embarassed my "awesome" sounding R6. It was like hearing a civic try to rev on a Mustang with the Coyote V8 (not-coincidentally, also cross-plane).
Many years, and one severed arm later, I still perk up at the sound of those R1 motors, even though I prefer my 890 R more
Skrrtires@reddit
Is it just more or have they always sounded bad in comparison to the older I4s.
Pretty-Animator4545@reddit
This! Thats why the tiny plane v8s sound the same as a full sized one of same design!
Vegetable_Custard870@reddit
= harmony!
drakitomon@reddit
Plus cfm
weristjonsnow@reddit
This was.... Oddly erotic
Essexyobbo@reddit
And straight sixes sound like sheets ripping.....
rockinlock@reddit
You haven't been driving the right I6s then
kyonkun_denwa@reddit
Yeah I was going to say, what an odd comment. I6s are my favourite engine type. As you can probably guess from my flair. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
baconandbobabegger@reddit
They can sound good but it doesn’t mean they all do. My S55 sounds like ass even with titanium exhaust.
My old N55 sounded amazing, and my S63 sounds heavenly but I dread every cold start in my S55.
texasyeehaw@reddit
I too owned a 2017 and 2021 m2. Hands down n55 sound was glorious. When I got into the 2021, I was disappointed but eventually got over it
Essexyobbo@reddit
Really? 1. Jaguar 4.2. 2. BMW M50B25TU 2. Toyota 7M-GTE
Had all three...and they are very smooth and do sound like ripping sheets in STOCK form. 😉 Although mt Supra Turbo howled after I installed a TRD header back system 😁😁
rockinlock@reddit
I think maybe we just hear sounds differently because of all the engine configurations I've driven, I6s sound the least like a sheet ripping.
Essexyobbo@reddit
I am 78 and totally deaf in one ear, partial in the other. Who knows what the hell I hear...🤣
Carrera_996@reddit
Yep. Wife's car is a straight 6. Compared to my old V10 Ford, it sounds like a weed-eater. They make the same horsepower.
theknyte@reddit
Power through smaller engines is the one tech, automakers seem to be good at, these days.
It's kind of mind blowing that like a 1.6L turbo 4-cylinder in a Fiesta ST makes more horsepower than the 70s Cadillac with the 500ci (8.2 L) V8.
munche@reddit
People love to act like emission and economy regulations are choking cars to death, but the reality is exactly what you said. My 2.0T 4 cyl makes more power than the 5.7L V8 I owned 25 years ago. And gets way better fuel economy.
Honestly there are a lot of things to complain about in the car world but Horsepower in general has never been cheaper
Oo__II__oO@reddit
They're chosen in luxury cars for their smoothness, then bottled up for quietness. Straight up sound like a sewing machine stock.
Of course uncorking them is easy, and really wakes them up.
Essexyobbo@reddit
Did that to my Supra.....installed a TRD header back exhaust system from Japan. It howled....😁😁
Oo__II__oO@reddit
e9x BMW had a Performance exhaust (catback) that removed restriction in the muffler, made the diameter wider at the crosspipe, and ditched the resonator. All Sport/MSport BMWs should have had that from the factory!
RAMBIGHORNY@reddit
V6s sound like angry vacuum cleaners
desf15@reddit
Depends on 4.0 V8. Flat plane ones (like in Ferrari, Mclaren, or recently, Lambo) are technically very close to sound of 2 I4s revved together. Supercars usually have more open exhaust that also gives more sound.
Most of other V8s though are cross plane crank, which gives famous "v8 burble" due to some cylinder firing in 90 degree intervals not 180.
Lipstickquid@reddit
90° bank angle crossplane crank v8s dont have uneven firing intervals. Flat or crossplane both fire at 90° intervals.
720° of crank rotation ÷ 8 cyl = 90° firing intervals for both.
LeanGroundQueef@reddit
A flatplane V8 cannot fire every 90° when it takes 180° for the next crank throw to point up. The only time it fires is TDC. This sub will upvote anything.
Slideways@reddit
Quick question: what's 720 degrees divided by 8?
LeanGroundQueef@reddit
Yes there's something called even firing and odd firing. Tell me how it fires when the piston is only halfway up the cylinder.
Slideways@reddit
Not on common V8s there isn't.
It doesn't.
In both flat-plane and cross-plane V8s, two pistons will be at TDC every 90 degrees. One will be at the end of the compression stroke, and one will be at the end of the exhaust stroke. I don't know how you came to any other conclusion, but you're mistaken.
LeanGroundQueef@reddit
Thanks for actually showing me. I'm a visual learner.
Lipstickquid@reddit
Both flat and crossplane V8s fire every 90 degrees of crank rotation.
LeanGroundQueef@reddit
Explain how it does that when the piston is half way up the cylinder. It's only at the top when the crank throw is pointing up.
Lipstickquid@reddit
Because there are 2 pistons per crank pin and two banks of cylinders in a V8. A flat plane V8 is basically 2 inline 4s on a single crankshaft so naturally they fire at half the interval of inline 4s which is every 90°.
Slideways@reddit
The crank design doesn’t determine how high the engine can rev.
Cross plane V8s are typically higher displacement because flat plane V8s are not well balanced and tend to be smaller. A larger bore means the piston is heavier, and a longer stroke means that for any given engine speed, the piston will be moving faster. Higher mass makes for tremendous stress on the connecting rod. Piston speed is also hell on the rings and bore surface.
Larger V8 engines are also typically pushrod and use two valves per cylinder. That makes it difficult to have as much airflow as a 4V engine with a similar bore size, limiting its ability to make power at higher engine speeds. Further, two large valves each have a higher mass than four smaller valves. The mass of the valvetrain makes it difficult to keep things under control at higher speeds. A high-revving 2V pushrod engine will require heavier valve springs and/or lightweight valves, like the LS7 and its titanium intake valves.
For a practical example, Ford has a cross-plane version of its 5.2L V8 and its peak power is at 7,800rpm.
Lipstickquid@reddit
Incorrect. The crossplane V8 requires larger crank counterweights compared to a flat plane. That means more rotational inertia, which will cause the crankshaft to fllex at higher RPM. That causes more stress on the bearings and more friction.
There are plenty of 32 valve crossplane V8s, like those from Toyota, Audi, MB and BMW. Pushrods vs OHC does affect RPM limit due to stress on the pushrods.
A higher RPM crossplane can be attained by using a fully weighted crankshafts like the Toyota/Lexus UZ and BMW S65 engines, but that's not common in road cars. Most only lack central weights.
Ofc that only partially fixes it, and you'd need to add more mass by making the crankshaft stronger. And thats not worth it to get higher RPM in the vehicles in which crossplanes are typically used: luxury or muscle cars. They dont need super responsive high revving engines. Hence flat cranks are usually found in sports and race cars until very recently.
Slideways@reddit
Explain how rotational inertia of a balanced crankshaft has anything to do with crankshaft flex.
Lipstickquid@reddit
Because engine balance is about balancing the first and second order vibrations caused by the moving masses of the reciprocating components like the pistons and conrods by using weights on the rotating crankshaft.
Crankshaft flexing is also the reason inline 8s couldnt rev terribly high even though they were naturally balanced without a balancer shaft.
With a flat plane V8, balance is often ignored entirely, but they can be balanced by using balancer shafts which are completely separate elements from the crankshaft itself. They add overall friction to the engine, but they dont add weight to the crank. Friction and packaging are why they're often omitted in sports cars.
V6s and crossplane V8s have fairly heavy crankshafts to make them balanced. Inline 4s are either unbalanced or need a balancer shaft. Theyre usually left unbalanced for performance/race cars, balance shafts for a lot of road cars.
Inline 5 can rev but its not totally balanced. Inline 6 is perfectly balanced but has a long crank with 7 main bearings so more friction. V8s have 5 mains and cross vs flat tradeoffs. V10s are minorly imbalanced but can have light cranks and be run without shafts.
V12 is the ideal config for free revving and perfect balance.
But its important to consider firing interval for smoothness as well. With even firing intervals, more cylinders = smoother power delivery due to less or no negative torque on the crank.
You need an 8 cylinder engine to have no negative torque on the crank at all. 6 cylinders do go barely negative but its not significant. With 4 cylinders or less there's considerable negative torque dips.
Something i didnt mention was also exhaust pulse scavenging which is easier to do with flat plane V8s than cross.
Slideways@reddit
You're arguing that a cross-plane can't rev as high, but admit that cross-plane cranks are better balanced than flat-plane cranks.
You haven't explained how rotational inertia has anything to do with crankshaft flex. A balanced cross-plane crank won't beat up the bearings, and new, forged cranks are string enough to withstand incredible speeds. The results are there.
NASCAR engines rev to 9,500rpm all day. Pro Stock engines used to rev past 11,000rpm with 500 cubic inches. A cross-plane crankshaft is simply not going to be the limiting factor in an engine's ability to rev.
Lipstickquid@reddit
Balance doesnt mean lower rotating intertia. The crossplane crankshaft's weighting vs a flat plane crankshaft's weighting.
https://youtu.be/RcyMoZoqkPA?si=wFCyUMHY8ZPd90fd
That video explains it very well.
Slideways@reddit
I never implied that.
And no, that video does not explain it at all.
The increased inertia means the engine is slow to change speeds, but you know what really slows an engine down? The mass of the car it's attached to.
Lipstickquid@reddit
If you look at the weights and where they're placed on a crossplane crankshaft, imagine those weights "pulling" on the crank as it rotates. Compare that to the weight placement on a flat plane crankshaft.
Slideways@reddit
The entire point is that the weights balance the engine. The counterweights on a cross-plane crank counteract the rocking couple found on a flat-plane V8.
Large cross-plane V8s can rev to 9, 10, or 11,000rpm, and the cylinder head airflow, valvetrain stability, and connecting rod strength will be limiting factors. The crankshaft has to be a quality piece with proper balancing, but its weight is not going to prevent it from reaching high speeds.
desf15@reddit
You're right, I fucked up. Edited my comment.
Crystal-Ammunition@reddit (OP)
I've got a NA 2L I4 with a long tube header, and custom exhaust work with 2.5" pipe all the way from collector to the tail pipe, no cat, and I've got a resonator and camaro muffler lol. The header isn't even designed for this car but I made it work and tuned it.
The header has given it quite an exotic sound despite being nothing special. I think it's the catless setup which allows for a lot more "resonance"? There's just a lot more range of sound going on. Supercars obviously have cats but I can see the similarities to a cross plane V8 with this project car
shawizkid@reddit
Bro. Let’s be real. Ain’t no one, and I mean no one, confusing your inline-4 focus with a cross plane v8. Or any v8 for that matter.
Lethean_Waves@reddit
There is an exhaust video on their profile. It sounds exactly like an i4. I'm not saying its bad or good, just that it sounds exactly how you would expect a modified i4 to sound.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
Impossible to say at idle, but the issue I think with a lot of those hodgepodge 4 cylinder setups is they can get droney as fuck really fast.
Learned that lesson several times the hard way in high school with my EK civic lol. I wasted a lot of money on trying to throw random shit at it before just breaking down and buying something dedicated that was known to not drone.
Lethean_Waves@reddit
Even the v8s can be droney af. I had a straight piped '16 mustang GT. Long tubes, awe catback, full top work, that mf'er was loud and droned like crazy. Couldnt take trips longer than an hour without a headache.
shawizkid@reddit
This.
I had an ls1 Camaro with cam, long tubes, cats and gmmg exhaust. It was super loud and imo sounded great. But man was that thing miserable to drive on the highway. Occasionally I’d take a 120 mile day trip and man I was ready to get out of that thing.
The rod end LCA, panhard bar, and torque arm did not help the cause at all either. It was really a good learning experience about the cons of hardcore performance parts on a street car.
Lethean_Waves@reddit
Yup, i had my fun with a high power modified stick shift. I'm fine with stock automatics these days.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
Brother I don't mean to be negative but there's no way this sounds good at all, this is the most frankenstein ass setup I've ever heard of.
Exhausts aren't just a collection of parts - the firing order, header lengths, header design (4-1, 4-2-1), location of resonators, catalytic converter, exhaust, etc all work together to create certain pitches and tones. Most performance cars have their exhaust designed by actual acoustic engineers - every bend and inch makes a difference in how sound resonates, and most higher end aftermarket exhausts are at bare minimum taking these things in to account when designing their stuff.
Ain't no way slapping a camaro muffler on a straight piped commuter car four cylinder is going to come out anywhere close to anything that has a dedicated setup.
Crystal-Ammunition@reddit (OP)
Lol I'm not confusing the two, and I don't think anyone else is, hence the question in my post
Lipstickquid@reddit
If youre taking a crossplane V8 vs inline 4, thats because those fire 2 cyl on the same bank one after another. If you compare an i4 to a flat plane v8 they sound more similar due to exhaust pulse spacing across the banks.
This guy explains it well
https://youtu.be/RcyMoZoqkPA?si=uLIRRZcBk8sPKP0B
Free_Hashbrowns@reddit
Yeah, a crossplane i4 like a Yamaha R1 sounds like a baby v8 at low revs.
Lipstickquid@reddit
A crossplane i4 will actually have uneven firing intervals, which is very undesireable in cars but often desireable in motorcycles.
uberdosage@reddit
Why is it desirable in motorcycles?
Lipstickquid@reddit
From what ive read it has to do with the uneven power delivery benefitting traction specifically in a one wheel scenario like a motorcycle. I remember Honda had a V5 motorcycle engine that used this, and there are also V4 and crossplane inline 4 motorcycle engines. Its weird but i guess it works on motorcycles!
Free_Hashbrowns@reddit
Yeah, it basically concentrates the force to the tire to a shorter amount of time in the tire rotation, which give the tire more time to recover. You gain an advantage in grip/tire wear with the trade off being more vibration.
It’s why all motogp bikes these days use a “big bang” firing pattern rather than a screamer like on something like an r6 or a zx6-r.
tetsmon@reddit
All the things everyone else is saying is correct, but sometimes it helps to play with things for yourself.
This guy made an engine sound simulator that can account for all sorts of variables, check it out if you have time!
https://www.engine-sim.parts/
Link_inbio@reddit
Probly cause it has a bigger dick
e136@reddit
With the v8, your ear heard a firing pattern that's the same frequency of the RPM, but with the inline 4, your ear heads a drinking pattern that's twice as high, the frequency of each cylinder fire.
The reason for this is that a cross plane v8 has an uneven firing order. Your ear picks up on every time you hear the pattern repeats, which occurs twice for every time all cylinder fire. Since all cylinders fire once every 2 full rotations, that means the audio patter starts again once every rotation. You'll here the pattern once starting at the left bank, then a rotation later you will hear the same pattern starting at the right bank.
On an online four, since the firing order is very even, the only pattern you hear is an individual cylinder firing. That occurs twice every crankshaft rotation, hence twice the frequency at a given RPM.
This only applies to even firing online fours (99.9% of them) and cross plane, uneven firing v8s (90% of them).
Slideways@reddit
Cross plane V8s fire every 90 degrees, which makes them even firing.
e136@reddit
They fire unevenly between left and right banks
Slideways@reddit
Right, but that's not the same as having an uneven firing order.
makkenzier222@reddit
Physics says it's the displacement, but my ears say the V8 just has a better PR department and more confident bass singers.
Trollygag@reddit
They all make pop sounds, wideband impulse noise. The perception of tone comes down to how the pulse overlap and timing gets interpreted as pitch and how the exhaust is constructed to emphasize lower or higher pitches.
I.e., buzzing (higher frequency biased) from I4, but buzzing+warble (lower frequency biased) from V8, sounds like warbling alone in an exhaust designed to hide higher frequencies in the muffler.