I drove the Lamborghini Temerario today.
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I had a chance to take a demo Temerario out for a demo today. Unlike most, I love hybrid tech in super cars (I love the 296 and I have an Artura), and I loved every Huracan I've driven. Magazines like Motor Trends also sang its praises, so I was looking forward to my seat time today.
Good first impression: Despite the controversy, I really liked the exterior design of the car. The interior was a bit messier than the Huracan in terms of both visual appearance and functionality. That steering wheel was overwhelmingly complex when compared to the other extreme that is my Artura. However in a way that's just Lambo being Lambo, and I didn't think too much about it. Not a big fan of the 4 screens in the car
Cabin tech and as a daily: The UI was also way too intense and every time the engine turns on from EV mode, there is a huge paragraph of text about "thermal engine start" or something like that on the driver display. I never thought I'd need TL;DR for car UIs. But here we are. The car was also very low, even for a super car. I pulled into the parking lot without using the lift on my Artura, at a decent speed too. But when I was exiting the parking lot I was told to make sure to use the lift on the Temerario, otherwise it would bottom out.
None of those are dealbreakers for people who don't aim to daily it.
Questionable Powertrain: However, this is where things really start falling apart. The first thing I noticed was the noise and feel of the engine. The Artura is butter smooth when it transitions from EV mode to hybrid mode. But with the Temerario, it's like I suddenly turned on a huge diesel generator behind me. It sounded awful at almost all RPM, but especially in around town driving. The best thing about the Huracan was the NA V10 and how it screams and this is the exact opposite of that. I am actually ok with a quiet and smooth hybrid performance engine like the one in my Artura, but the Temerario's sound is just plain obnoxious and exhausting to the driver.
Performance, in a straight line, was what you'd expect from a 900hp AWD super car. But even with AWD it had issue putting down power. And while fast, it didn't feel 250hp faster than my Artura, but then again it's also 800lbs heavier than my McLaren.
The whole time I was thinking: "Why is this a hybrid???". It had neither the smoothness of the Artura that makes it great for a daily nor the emotional appeal of the Huracan, and sounds worse than even the 296 and whatever power gain is mostly canceled out by the added weight and cost (I'll get to that later).
One of the worst super car steering ever: The current generation Prius has better steering feel than the Temerario. I have no idea what bribe did MT and C&D take to claim this car has good steering feel. You feel absolutely nothing on the road, and my BMW i4's steering felt more satisfying (which is about as numb as it gets) because at least it's weighted nicely. Steering weight was ultra light, which is fine if you have a very quick ratio like the Ferrari (and decent on-center feel), but the Lambo had neither. During my drive home I was even more appreciative of the hydraulic rack and its great steering feel in my McLaren.
WTF is that price???: The car starts at almost $400k. That is $150k more than the Artura and even more than the 296GTB. This is no longer a "baby Lambo" but it's also not special enough to compete against the cars at the tier above. Hell, I don't think it's special enough to compete against a barely used 296GTB that's $100k cheaper or even more damningly, a used Huracan that feels, looks and sounds better in everyway.
So who's buying this car and why are all the reviews so glowing?
I don't get it.
Bebealex@reddit
To me Lambos have always been an emotional thing, not rational. This one feels too rational as in too sane. The lost of the V10 and that noise is just wow. The Huracan looked like sex on wheels this one looks like a fancy payment on wheels.
watduhdamhell@reddit
Lmao. People said exactly the same thing about the Huracan. Which is true. It's boring as all hell.
Don't believe me? Here is Richard Hammond, saying exactly this, when it released:
Link
Sooooo lmao. They hBe been making boring cars not so in line with the Lambo "crazy" heritage since at least 10 years ago, and the Huracan started the trend.
triplevanos@reddit
Plenty of people said the same thing about the Gallardo. No doors, no V12, AWD like an Audi, etc.
The temerario is much more interesting than a Gallardo, and not far beyond a Huracan
Manafont-@reddit
I think Richard said something similar about the Aventador, and people definitely said it about the Gallardo and even the Murci when they came out. Its just how new Lambos are received.
ThatOneBitch02@reddit
I don't disagree, but it's funny to see this sentiment now, since I feel like I remember the huracan being called too plain and audi-fied when it first came out.
FatMoFoSho@reddit
Tbh i still think the 2010-2014 gallardo’s are peak lambo
watduhdamhell@reddit
You are correct. It was lambasted as too tame, too lame, and designed by committee to put up good sales numbers, as opposed to be a "bat shit crazy car," in the proper Lambo way. Totally ironic to see OC calling it exciting and good looking lmao.
TerribleNameAmirite@reddit
It’s a general trend for new lambos to start quite tame and get more wild visually over time
inaccurateTempedesc@reddit
Yeah I was pretty shocked when I saw a '70s Countach for the first time. Though I wouldn't call it "tame", just simpler. It looked more like a spaceship than a car until I got closer.
peanutbuttahcups@reddit
Yeah the vanilla Countach looks like the smooth SpongeBob meme while the Countach 5000QV is the muscular SpongeBob, or dare I say, Handsome Squidward, even.
_galaga_@reddit
We can do more complex surfacing now but that doesn’t necessarily mean you get a better looking car compared to the classics. You could argue the C8 suffers from that, too, especially the base car.
dragonitexy@reddit
It's a strange situation. I feel that if they were to sell a pure ICE temmy variant with the V10, it would be them admitting that the new powerplant isn't doing what it needs to. But it's also what the model desperately needs.
inaccurateTempedesc@reddit
It reminds me of a lot of modern AAA games. The graphics look computationally expensive, but it feels like there's something missing the more you look at it.
Then you play the thing and refund it out of disgust once you realize the story was written by both HR and ChatGPT.
BrandonNeider@reddit
Because Mclaren's the only supercar brand out of the trifecta that is still focused on nimble exotics. Ferrari it depends completely on the model as the Tributo was an expensive italian hellcat basically and so was the SF90. Happy to see the 296 returning to nimble roots but remember the 360 and 430 were kinda boats too, and I have a huge love for the 430.
shoveazy@reddit
Wait really? I've never heard anyone with experience say that about the 360 or 430. I don't have any experience with exotics but this is the first time I've seen someone say they were kind of boats.
wearethafuture@reddit
Not much to comment on anything else since my supercar experience is limited, but regarding the nimbleness praised by journalists: they have to say it.
Usually, it’s a selected group of journalists invited to these events, and if they are not working for top publications like MotorTrend or Top Gear, they are freelancers who sell their stories to smaller markets who cannot get their own place. If they say that the car feels underwhelming or sluggish for example, they will not get invited again.
Bigger magazines have a bit more leniency, but they also know not to bite the hand that feeds them - for them, it’s not about informing the customers, it’s about clicks. And Lamborghini gets way more clicks than Polo in most cases, since people like to dream.
Basically, the more exclusive the car is, the less objective the reporting - but at the same time, the less the actual characteristics of the car usually matter. Ferrari is a Ferrari no matter how bad it would be, and the same goes to Porsche. Purists and enthusiasts who ACTUALLY understand a thing or two about chassis tuning, torque maps, etc. is way smaller than those who buy the car just to park it outside the hotel or casino.
Yet everybody wants to be that guy, so they read the article.
_galaga_@reddit
Chris Harris vs Ferrari illustrated this pretty well.
pgmatman@reddit
What’s the story there?
TheDragonaut@reddit
Link to the actual article that got Harris blacklisted. Despite all that he later went out and bought a (used) FF and 599 anyways, which I guess is putting his money where his mouth is about the cars being good enough from the factory.
_galaga_@reddit
Chris put it out there he thought Ferrari provided juiced cars to reviewers and Ferrari blacklisted him from reviewing their cars. That went on for a couple years until the blacklisting got out and then they finally made amends.
pgmatman@reddit
Huh, never knew that. Thanks for the reply.
GVIrish@reddit
I haven't heard of Lamborghini pulling the same shenanigans as Ferrari but even if they aren't there are strong incentives to journalists to not slag a new Lambo.
I will say that the actual characteristics of the car do matter a lot in this segment, even if they don't map directly to what the typicall auto enthusiast values. The typical Lambo customer cares a lot less about racetrack performance than most, but they care about the sound, road presence, and overall emotional experience a lot. So they may not care about lap times or weight, but the sound would be a big turnoff. And with the car being over $150k pricier than the Huracan, some of the Huracan customers will be priced out.
lBlackfeatherl@reddit
I agree about the sound. It sounds like a bike. Which is not a bad thing at all in a bike but it sounds really harsh unlike the v10 it replaced which had a really musical note to it. This is the only V8 sound that I dont like, feels like it doesn't suit a Lamborghini somehow. But each one to their own, im not their target audience
cookingboy@reddit (OP)
That's my question, who is the target audience for this car? The "buying a Lambo for clout" wannabe influencers are all driving Uruses, and the cash rich collectors who want a wild Lambo already bought the Revuelto. The Aventador used to cost 2x+ the price of a Huracan so there is a lot of differentiation there, but the Revuelto is only 1.5x the price of the Temerario.
Mufasa_LG@reddit
I think it's for the Lambo owners who buy the next new thing to be the first ones to own the next new Lambo. I'm very well acquainted with these types, and there are a lot of them, sadly. I don't think that will translate to a long lasting sales recipe for this car, but the profit margins on them are substantial, so they are going to make good money initially.
Generationhodl@reddit
"I'm very well acquainted with these types, and there are a lot of them, sadly."
why sadly, the cars get sold and the people working there all get paid and feeding their families.
I mean, for some people, buying a new lambo is like we buy a new phone, its not cheap but it doesn't really hurt that much financial wise.
GVIrish@reddit
I think Lamborghini decided that they could go way higher in price once they saw people were willing to pay markups for Huracans. But that bull market is pretty much gone and they made a car that is missing the most compelling element of the old car. They've also moved it into direct competition with cars that are better dynamically.
So they've priced out some of the old customer base, while removing some of the unique value proposition, and moved the car into stiffer competition.
Maybe they are looking to make more profit on lower volume, but right now the prospects for this car aren't looking good.
batasrki@reddit
Flat-plane crank V8s never sound good to me. They almost always sound like expensive 4-cylinder engines, which is what they basically become with the flat-plane crank
sfd_delu@reddit
Honestly, in my opinion, this car is just relying on its specs and brand name; it doesn't feel like much to drive. Once you actually get behind the wheel, you'll realize that it lacks the exhilarating feel of the Huracán and the smooth, refined feel of the Artura, and the price is ridiculously high. After driving it, you'll have one feeling: it's not worth it, and it doesn't feel right.
OrionGrant@reddit
You weren't lying about the noise, oh dear.
Essexyobbo@reddit
The V10... https://youtu.be/tOiV8jllzX0?si=OjOSi6Qo81ErajIO
aquariuminspace@reddit
Wow, when I heard "V8 with a 10k RPM redline" I wasn't expecting... that. The C8Z sounds better, I'n sorry.
DanielG165@reddit
Don’t be sorry. The C8 Z06 is one of the best sounding cars ever made imo. The Temerario only sounds cool either near or at redline, which you’ll never ever reach on the street.
TangerineBroad4604@reddit
That certainly didn't sound like a 10k rpm
118238@reddit
I've heard B58s with more oomph than this thing
batasrki@reddit
This seems to carry over from the Huracan. The one I drove had the deadest steering feel I have experienced. Same with the C8 Corvette. I ended up wishing for a car that had the steering feel of a McLaren 720s with the drama of the Huracan.
cookingboy@reddit (OP)
This is worse than both of those cars
Nyc81@reddit
Let me ask you this.... The engine is all about the HP and crazy readline. Allegedly that's where it wakes up. How is the car geared to even experience some of this?
I see it as you will never get a chance to take it even close to readline in the lower gears.
DanielG165@reddit
The Temerario hits 60 mph in 1st gear, which is fucking nuts in a bad way. You’d never enjoy it spiritedly on the public road.
TheAbsoluteLastWord@reddit
They want you doing 160 miles an hour on the track. The top of second gear is over 90 miles an hour or so you can’t really even use it on the street. It’s kind of ridiculous.
Penguinho@reddit
On the street, Motortrend described the engine as sounding like "a rattly old diesel."
DaveCootchie@reddit
It's all about image and brand. Pretty much no one buys these for performance. They are flexing their wealth. I used to think Lambos were cool but anything I see newer than a Murcialago I just assume they are a tik tok influencer or something.
Manafont-@reddit
Thats always been Lambo though.
DaveCootchie@reddit
They have always been showy yes but since the Urus came out they are just influencer cars to me.
potatoprince1@reddit
Rich people want the latest and greatest
vetruviusdeshotacon@reddit
Temu rario
humdizzle@reddit
People will still buy it. I think you mistakenly assume people care about how these cars drive, most of the time its just purchased as a flex. they will just leave it in sport mode and never drive it as an EV. I've found most people also don't care about the sound quality, just the amount of it.
i'm with you though. i've owned a 458, have a gt3, and have tracked a huracan. Even if the temarario was the same prices as the huracan.. I'm picking the H. Its just the more visceral car to drive. 600hp in a 3400 pound car is PLENTY.
MasterofPeridots@reddit
It's going to be a damn while before I can afford these cars, but I always liked Lamborghini and I always thought the Urus was a troubling sign.
All the journalists are too scared. Wish we had someone like the old Top Gear blokes who weren't afraid to talk smack when deserved, yet were too popular for most manafacturers to just ignore.
ivycomb@reddit
Throttle House
Jsully23@reddit
No way…those guys need to be in good standing w/ manufacturers to keep getting invited on the press trips so they can make content.
throttlehouseTH@reddit
I’ll just chime in here because this is the biggest myth in automotive journalism, at least for us. We do not give a single fuck about attenuating what we say to “keep getting invited on press trips”. We only care about making a review that explores all the good and bad about a car. And we’ve never taken a single cent from a car manufacturer. (Despite being offered multiple times). It simply isn’t true that you have to lie and say a car is good to keep getting press cars or invites. Just deliver a fair and balanced (and truthful) review and they won’t say a peep. Push the limits though, with unnecessary and over the top jokes at the expense of the car, and you’ll piss them off. Ask me how I know. (This hasn’t stopped us in the past and I don’t imagine it will any time soon). But that’s just us. But it’s worth saying that there are some outlets that DO take money. And DO hold back negative comments in fear of getting black listed. But that isn’t “all car journalists” by any means.
Cucumberino@reddit
First of all, love your content! That aside, the only thing that I assume is missing, is that with your reach and perception, I understand some brands will "endure" being fairly criticized and keep giving press cars, while others with less reach might not get that same treatment OR even if they do, they might be scared of the chance of something happening if they do. But that's just how life is and I understand some reviewers' income might rely on getting said cars.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
Have you watched any of their reviews?
Thomas: this is the new BMW M3whatever, it's got a fantastic engine in it, and when you take it in to a corner you can't feel a single thing because it's a BMW. It has the typical BMW steering that's so numb I could run over a child and wouldn't know, this steering is actually more numb than my dad after his 4th divorce, and provides less feedback than my high school girlfriend during sex.
BMW: here, have some more cars to review.
Michelanvalo@reddit
Doug too, since he doesn't take any press cars anymore.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
They're the ones that got me back in to youtube car stuff, I got tired of everyone just glazing every car they drove. No car is perfect, I love my car but it's imperfect, it's nice hearing someone talk about the flaws before so you know what you're getting in to. You also trust these guys more, can't trust someone who won't offer criticism of a bad feature.
autobauss@reddit
They praised it
strongmanass@reddit
DBX: "$250K master of none"
Ferrari Purosangue: "we've complained ad nauseum about [Ferrari capacitive touch crap] because deserves it...and it's come a short way"
BMW: "@#$!%...BMW asked us to please be professional in our criticism so here I am in a tie made for a 6 year-old boy...@#$!%"
All those brands continued to give them press cars after that.
BathingInSoup@reddit
With the exception of the Sterrato and their SUV, all other Lamborghinis have looked the same car to me for ~20 years. I don’t see the appeal at all.
mindfuxed@reddit
I wonder how long before lambo reverts back. I imagine they put to much money in to change it now but I hope sales decline like crazy so they bring the v10 back.
matteblackpeace@reddit
Meanwhile I read this with 700$ in my bank account
Weird_Tower76@reddit
I drove one about 2 months ago and have a deposit.
It does sound good, but it's not the V10 like you're saying. I think with an exhaust it actually would sound good, especially with the FPC and turbo noise.
I definitely miss the scream of the V10, but I gotta say my takeaway was just how insanely fast it was. It was spinning at like 80 mph and honestly felt like it was trying to fucking kill me the whole time.
I got limited time with it and only drove it on the street, but was impressed mostly by the performance. Now the steering and price? Totally agree. Way too light of steering and way too expensive.
Considering the love for my C8 Z06 I daily drive, I will likely just wait a couple years for a ZR1X. Especially with the interior refresh now.
Revosk@reddit
I'd had a few lambos, GT3RS, R8s, etc. and the Temerario was firmly priced out of my market. Idk who they're targeting because the 200k exotic market is left way behind with the base price of this. I haven't driven it, I personally don't care if I ever do, but it's kind of wild how out of touch they are with their customer base. From what I've heard, they're struggling to sell these as well which makes sense for all the points you made.
pdp10@reddit
Government mandates. I'm a fan of the mild hybrid, 48-Volt hybrid model in a performance car, but it seems the requirements are considerably further with respect to battery size, electric-only running, and charging socket.
PrecisionDrivingTech@reddit
I’m the lead instructor at Superspeed Orlando and have a lot of experience with supercars. Lamborghinis have always been rough around the edges, it’s part of the branding. If you drive the Huracan in automatic the transmission shifts so aggressively to induce an adrenaline response. Driving the 488 GTB is like riding a prancing horse, but driving the Huracan is like riding a rodeo bull. I don’t fault Lamborghini for making the transmission to/from electric aggressive because they want that feel in the car. But they missed the mark because the engine noise is so important to the equation of inducing excitement. We are getting a Temerario so if you want to drive it yourself look us up!
ReliantG@reddit
While this is a lot of text trying to say what you want, you're an outlier here. The car is better objectively than the Huracan in every way. Subjectives about looks and sound are personal. You don't get why it's been getting glowing reviews? That means you are the one out of touch and trying to justify your Artura over this, which is fine.
Complaining that a supercar is low? That's par for the course. I can keep responding to each point but it's clear you went in to driving the car and writing this post with an agenda to justify your feelings. Crapping on the new Lambo is going to be popular online cause of "meh V10" but no one that actually operates in this space (such as the journalists) is going to agree with you.
Essexyobbo@reddit
Lambo lost me when the V10 departed. A 2024 Huracan EVO sounds like a symphony on wheels.
autobauss@reddit
Can you share more about McLaren, daily driving, maintenance, any fears of depreciation, and explain the steering feel?
Standard-Juice-3738@reddit
I don’t get it either. Saw one at the Lotus dealer a few weeks ago and it’s ugly. Especially ugly if it’s sitting next to a Revuelto, which look great
AnonymousEngineer_@reddit
I'll never drive, let alone own a car like this (the closest is being in the passenger seat of a post facelift Gallardo LP560-4), but I wonder if this car suffered for not having a twin in the Audi R8, which would obviously increase sales volume for the platform/engine significantly, allowing for more resources to be spent on development and tuning.
cookingboy@reddit (OP)
The Urus provides far more R&D resources to Lamborghini than another R8 ever would.
This car isn’t underdeveloped. If anything it’s overdeveloped, just in the wrong way.
AnonymousEngineer_@reddit
Yes, but that's the point. The Urus shares its engineering with some of its platform mates like the Porsche Cayenne Turbo GT and Audi RSQ8, making it a better car overall as the sales numbers justify huge amounts of resources being thrown at it
Without the R8, the Temerario is an orphan.
costafilh0@reddit
People buy it because they are stupid or trying to get into Lambo's next low volume car or both.
To me, the Temerario only made the Gallardo e Huracan and even the R8 more desirable.
The Aventador didn't change much because it has the crappy gearbox and the Revuelto is beautiful and cool and has a NA V12 and the hybrid system shouldn't be much of a problem in the future with such small battery.
But the Contacth and Diablo and Murcielago are going insane for a reason.
sioux612@reddit
First of all, I like hybrids
To me Lamborghini is the one brand that should be entirely stupid and in no way reasonable
Which is why the only Lambo I'd buy from the last couple of years is the Sterrato
If they want to sell me a hybrid Lambo, they better make sure it can barely drive distance electric, but can supply the same amount of power as the engine, for like 7 seconds
I want a TURBO BOOST button or something like that
Eggith@reddit
I'm too poor to even think about purchasing this stuff, but I appreciate the non journalistic review of it. Maybe they'll fix the issues with the Superleggera or Performante version or whatever they'll call it. It's disappointing because the Huracan had me smitten when it first came out. The Temerario, less so...
Spike_Spiegel@reddit
I don't buy dresses for the same reasons.
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Odd-Security-4343@reddit
Man you just saved me from making a huge mistake. Been looking at properties in this crazy market and was thinking about treating myself to something like this after closing on few deals, but your review killed that dream real quick.
That price point is absolutely mental - for 400k you could get such nicer things. I mean, my Artura comment probably gives away that I'm not exactly struggling, but even for someone with money that seems like throwing cash at fire. The steering thing you mentioned would drive me insane, I hate when expensive cars feel disconnected from road.
Also that UI situation with the thermal engine paragraphs sounds like nightmare for daily driving. Who wants to read novel every time engine kicks in? Thanks for honest take, seems like all the journalists were just caught up in hype.