Any Balkaners who live in the “rival” country?
Posted by jaunmilijej@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 35 comments
I am Turkish and I live in Greece. I knew beforehand (I have been visiting Greece every summer since my childhood) that this whole “we hate each other” stuff is exaggerated and mostly supported by fringe hardcore nationalist groups.
I actually feel very welcome as a Turk in Greece. My friends jokingly call me “Tourkosporos” lol but they mean it as a joke and we get along super well.
To be honest, Greece for me feels like the twin of Turkey that made something out of itself and is more successful while Turkey got into some shady stuff.
Anyway enough cheesy talk. I wanted to know if there are any other Balkaners here who live in a supposedly “rival” country (or just any other Balkan country) and what your experiences look like!
Swaydelay@reddit
I guess Belgrade has around 900 Albanians, I would love to see how and why they are there. Not that they shouldn't but its wildly unexpected lmao.
canyoubelieveitt@reddit
Petition for mods to ban the nowadays daily Turkish simping for Greece in its various forms.
moisthotdogg@reddit
I try to avoid it since it's really not a big deal but really every second post here is about Turkey and Greece's relationship
Fatalaros@reddit
You guys have to warm up to this, Turkey and Greece relationship is what's going to spark the real ww3
moisthotdogg@reddit
Same time saying this next year?
BamBumKiofte23@reddit
Overruled. That's not our job, go kick rocks /s
Interesting_Fig_7484@reddit
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nobody1568@reddit
"this whole “we hate each other” stuff is exaggerated and mostly supported by fringe hardcore nationalist groups."
Nope, it's not exaggerated nor is it supported just by fringe hardcore nationalists. Most of the people on both sides see most of the people on the other side at least with extreme skepticism. It's just that people have a cartoonish understanding of what nationalism is or how most people who hold nationalist views behave in their daily life. Of course the majority won't attack you in your daily life; of course the majority won't attack me in Turkey in my daily life. But try to discuss 10 controversial issues with average joes of the other side and see how that goes. Again, even with those that you'll disagree with you'll be able to get along fine afterwards, but everyone would have to hold back their true opinions for that to happen. The only groups that can genuinely get along fine without holding back are some leftists.
dasirrlicht1@reddit
As an Italian living in Türkiye and very familiar with Greece, I can tell you that, on average, I've always perceived much more hostility from Greeks toward Turks than vice versa. The majority of Turks I know and associate with have a positive opinion of the Greeks, recognizing the cultural closeness between the two peoples, despite differences on certain foreign policy issues (demarcation of the Aegean economic zone, the Cyprus question). On the other hand, I've much more often heard revanchist, xenophobic, and delusional remarks from Greeks about the Turks.
Maplelux@reddit
So basically you are saying that all Bulgarians who now live in the regions of Aegean Macedonia and Aegean Thrace, do not live in harmony with the Greeks and every now and then confront with them?
nobody1568@reddit
No, the OP was talking about Greeks and Turks so I was talking about Greeks and Turks too.
Feel free to go and educate Thessalonikians about "Aegean Macedonia" though, see how it goes.
Maplelux@reddit
Agree, yet, I responded in the aspect of the title. You know why I used these terms, I know there's nothing to convince you and we can still sit down and drink ouzo.
PerformanceGuilty908@reddit
as a turk living in germany, i feel like the feud between balkan countries is just an online thing. the brother of my turkish bf married a bosnian girl and we had a big turkish/bosnian wedding in which everyone adored each other and their culture, and i also have a lot of greek orthodox friends who are extremely respectful towards my religion. i’ve never had any bad experiences in real life, it was always just love
NetraamR@reddit
with all due respect, but bosniaks and turks getting along is not really surprising, is it?
PreWiBa@reddit
Bosnian muslim or Bosnian orthodox?
Because Bosniaks definitely dont hate Turks lmao
PerformanceGuilty908@reddit
bosnian muslims, but like i said, i also have greek orthodox friends
PreWiBa@reddit
Well, its not an example as all and kinda shows you dont know that much.
Bosniaks are often literally simping for Turks, id be weirded out by Bosniaks not liking Türkiye and Turks.
PerformanceGuilty908@reddit
dude you’re so weird lol no one is simping for us, we just have mutual respect
PreWiBa@reddit
There definitely are such people, especially in rural areas. They are not "simping", maybe that was the wrong word, but they would argue with you that, as an example, Erdogan is "their" president just as he is that of Turks.
PreWiBa@reddit
And yes, the hate is very real.
Esp. in Bosnia though, for example, we have learnt to live around it and adapt. You dont discuss spicy topics, everythibg stays superficial, and it seems fine. But beneath the surface, we dont actually like each others group.
It was best friends and first door neighbours who started murdering very fast in the 90s for this reason.
wektrust@reddit
As a Turk, before visiting Greece, my knowledge of the country was limited to what I learned in school about the Turkish War of Independence and their attempts to claim things like baklava and cacık as their own. I never truly viewed them as the 'arch-enemy' of Turks. However, when I actually went to Greece, I was shocked—unlike you.
Their news cycles revolve around Turks from morning till night. They are incredibly paranoid and obsessed with this issue. I don’t know if it’s the politics or the media, but it was startling to see a country almost built upon anti-Turkish sentiment. In reality, people in Turkey don't really care about Greeks at all; they aren't on our radar.
It was particularly funny to see them claiming cultural elements that even Turks originally adopted from Arabs as their own. They have zero knowledge of Turkish history; they think 'Turk' is synonymous only with the Ottoman Empire and hold absurd, nonsensical beliefs like the idea that all Turks are DNA-wise 'half-Greek.' The only common ground I saw was that, like us, they are exposed to heavy propaganda—except they seemed much more aggressive about it.
I didn't have a 'bad' experience in terms of physical confrontation or mistreatment, but while this might not represent everyone’s opinion, the Greek state—and especially their consulates in Turkey—is terrible. I am sure there are enlightened people there, and I hope they can break free from this paranoia. Instead of obsessing over such nonsense in a positive environment like the European Union, and getting into debt buying weapons from countries like France and Germany, they should accept history as it is and invest in education, healthcare, and the economy to bring prosperity to their country.
TrainingHeavy1666@reddit
It’s because you talk about the “Blue Homeland” and violate the national airspace of the Aegean every day. Also, because Erdoğan talks about demilitarizing the Aegean islands. But the Greek islands in the Aegean cannot be without a national army, just like the rest of Greece. This is a national issue; Turkey cannot demand that we have no army on our own territory. We decide on that.
You have never been threatened. We are not an aggressive country. We, as difficult neighbors, only consider you. You are the only ones with extreme right-wing politicians against Greece, and we see what they say about us. The politicians, not ordinary people. Of course, we visit Turkey for vacations, and you visit us too. I love Cappadocia, Izmir, Istanbul, and various other places, your food, your hammams, etc., and I have no problem with you; ordinary people don’t discuss you daily.
But the television shows statements from your politicians and reproduces them. They talk about the Treaty of Lausanne and similar things. Meanwhile, ours do not provoke. You probably have many other things to deal with, like the Kurdish issue; we are not a threat to you. Meanwhile, we don’t have any other neighbor making statements or actions that bother us. Even with North Macedonia, regarding the name issue, we didn’t have many strange statements from that country—few, yes. But Turkey has some extreme politicians.
It’s not the Turkish citizen’s fault, nor do we hate you. The problem is your politics towards us. For example, casus belli.
Jnyl2020@reddit
You are greedy and selfish people. That is the whole problem.
TrainingHeavy1666@reddit
Your politicians are aggressive. And they want to be involved in almost everything—Syria, Iran, the Middle East in general, Asia, Europe, the EU. But with this behavior, along with the occupation of Cyprus and your air force entering Greek airspace daily as a provocation, you will not join the EU. At least not in the near future.
Also, you are in NATO, just like us. Why do you violate Greek airspace every day? All of this is related to the aggressive policy that Erdoğan has chosen.
What I mean is this: internally, I don’t know what is happening, of course. You may be doing very well, and I hope you are. But externally, in terms of policy, you are generally very provocative. Perhaps if the government changed and you adopted a more Western-oriented policy, you could become a greater power with more allies and partnerships. I say this sincerely, because you are a large country with history and development.
To clarify in the end: I am NOT referring to ordinary people, but to your politicians.
Jnyl2020@reddit
We're not entering greek airspace you claim the international airspace as yours. So you are the problem. You are talking about Turkey everyday trying to provocate. You bullied your neighbour to change their name.
Well your politicians and people are both agressive, greedy and selfish.
You are still talking about 1922 and Cyprus shows how faceless, greedy little liars you are. Just like you Israeli allies. Perfect match.
wektrust@reddit
I was talking about general politics, not a problem among the people; I think you misunderstood me. If you translate this video, you’ll see a viewpoint that is basically in line with what I’ve been saying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AasbAZKqh-w
Yavannia@reddit
So you visited a foreign country and you were that fast able to follow and understand the news for a whole day, that's very impressive of you, must be a genius in languages.
wektrust@reddit
Here’s a typical example. No, it wasn’t just a one-day visit; I stayed for a long-term project, and these are my experiences. I don’t understand why you’re so bothered. Every individual is different, and I don’t care about nationalities—whether someone is Turkish, Greek, or Icelandic makes no difference to me. I never said the people themselves were 'bad' or anything like that; every person is unique. But this is the general atmosphere the country made me feel. This is my experience and my perspective.
Granted, I’m not fluent in Greek, but I got sick of seeing Turkish flags, ships, and islands constantly plastered across those numerous TV channels. What do you think, then? Am I wrong? In Turkey, lately, nobody gives a damn about Greece except for the visa-free travel to the islands. In Turkish mainstream media, when it comes to foreign news, you usually see what the US is up to.
So, am I mistaken? Are you telling me that in Greece, nobody cares about Turkey? That most people aren't obsessed with the Cyprus issue, or saying 'we will take Constantinople'? That they don’t tell Turks to 'go back to Mongolia' (which is as absurd as telling a Finn they are Swedish)? Are you saying they don't believe Anatolia is actually Greek land based on DNA? Is that really it?
Jnyl2020@reddit
So true man and they just cannot accept it. They are like children and believe whatever they want (or they've been told). They can't even appreciate the common things we have and definitely very ignorant about Turkey.
TrainingHeavy1666@reddit
Sure we want Cyprus free again. Yes of course. You want to split Cyprus. I wonder why. Maybe cause your politicians are obsessed with Greece. They would love to have Greece as a Turkey place. We won't. Extreme minds would love back in Greece Konstantinoupoli.Old extreme minds. Not the whole Turkey. Only Konstantinoupoli. But tuskish politicians wants the whole Greece and Cyprus. Not the ordinary people. Your politiciasns. You have aggressive politic against Greece. Your politic is aggressive in total actually. With every country or people you have issues. You say words a lot. Your politicians
Yavannia@reddit
If you want to be taken seriously. First of all don't formulate every comment of yours with Chatgpt? And second of all don't post from your also very obvious alt account from which you only use to post ragebait.
44-47-25_N_20-28-5-E@reddit
Me 👋🏻
Most of the years I live in Croatia, before that my Croatian girlfriend used to live in Belgrade
Suitable-Decision-26@reddit
I don't think the old "rivalries" are still a thing, to be honest. You have people/politicians spewing hate nowadays, but it is mostly for their own benefit.
Rick_Sanchez888@reddit
Turks are no balkaners sory mate you are middle east, so stop pretending you are balkaners
casual_philosopher02@reddit
now that's an interesting question, I really wanna see the answers to it