The Iran War Is Hitting California Harder Than Any Other State [No paywall]
Posted by mark000@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 58 comments
Posted by mark000@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 58 comments
so-sick@reddit
We truly do not possess the requirements to produce our own jet fuel needs and must resort to importing, what happened America ??
parksoffroad@reddit
California has regulated and put such high fees on the refineries here in the name of making them more environmentally friendly, but they are leaving. We used to have 40 something refineries were now down to less than 10. All but one of those is threatening to leave if CARB votes on a new regulation that would add millions in additional fees in about 30 days.
The ironic part of it all is that the refineries overseas are not environmentally friendly, and it has to be put on ships to come across the ocean which is not environmentally friendly. And right now you can see them idling in the bay, waiting to offload the refined gas because the pipelines are at the physical capacity so there’s a backlog of ships idling and smoking in the bay which is not environmentally friendly. California’s philosophy seems to be as long as we can’t see the smoke the factories make from here then it’s all good.
If CARB passes that new rule, and the remaining refineries carry through with their threats like the prior ones that shut down earlier this year did we will be down to one refinery.
fairoaks2@reddit
Richmond refinery has been polluting for years.
California used to have smog so bad it was warned as unhealthy. Now the Bay Area is clear. There is a purpose for regulations. Chevron wants every penny profit. Cleaning those refinery sites will take years.
Captain3leg-s@reddit
I feel like people forgot. I'm mid 40s and we had days in the inland empire where we could see the smog and kids with asthma had to hide inside.
fairoaks2@reddit
There are pictures of San Jose that show the dense yellow orange smog coloring the valley. Be well
2quickdraw@reddit
I remember California when you could come over the mountains down into the valley around Los Angeles and all you could see was a layer of disgusting yellow brown gray crud, and knew that's what you were going to have to breathe. You could smell the change, and after day outside you could smell it in your hair and on your clothes.
parksoffroad@reddit
I remember that too, it made your eyes burn water. Basic emissions control and engineering of motor vehicles these days has come a long way since then.
JournalistEast4224@reddit
The fuel blends are cleaner burning, so there is less local air pollution.
Sure there are GHG impacts but ignoring the massive poor air quality in the Central Valley and the benefits from cleaner burning fuels ignores this reality.
All the “eco friendly rules stifle whatever “ forget the impact of cleaner air
williaty@reddit
1) That's globalization. If it's cheaper to get fuels over the Pacific from SK than it is to get fuels over the Rockies from TX, you buy from SK
2) Not every oilfield produces crude that is capable of being refined into various fuels. Then each refinery will be built to take a specific oil source (TX, Mid East, etc) and refine it into a specific product. Mismatch between any of that means you're importing even if you have an oil surplus on paper.
So your real question is: do we have any oil fields in the US producing crude that can be refined into Jet-A and if so are the logistics of getting it to every airport in the United States economically viable?
WavesOverBarcelona@reddit
This is the world we've built, and by and large we've ignored the waste and odd logics because the upsides were luxuries. That seems to be going away because of really stupid policy decisions and the realization that sending commodities back and forth endlessly across the globe was a really odd behavior that only made sense on paper.
Keepfingthatchicken@reddit
I also thought that part of the problem was that retooling or whatever is needed to get refineries able to do it would take months to years and cost shit loads of money. So companies aren’t willing to do it if this will be resolved in even a few months.
Monarc73@reddit
I live right next to the Permian Basin, and NO ONE thinks new wells are coming any time soon.
melympia@reddit
If not now, then soon.
williaty@reddit
You are making the mistake of thinking that the price of Jet-A can rise indefinitely to match limited available supply to demand. That's not the case. Jet travel is a luxury, not a necessity. If the cost of Jet-A rises due to limited supply, many people will just stop flying. Given the severity of the price increases we're potentially talking about, most people will stop flying, leading to the death of commercial passenger aviation while the private-jet people won't even notice.
melympia@reddit
Doesn't change the fact that we might have a different answer to the quoted question in the very near future.
parksoffroad@reddit
And globalization is great when it works. But the minute there’s a hiccup like there is right now then this is what you get. So I guess the reality then is if we’re going to do that, you have to be willing to accept the hiccups that we’re seeing today.
It also means that you potentially outsource the future capability. Refineries are not cheap to build, and no one is going to build them if they can’t make money. So now you outsource everything to say South Korea and you lose the ability to do it here and then one day South Korea says we don’t think we’re going to give it to you anymore and then what? Or they say the price just doubled and you have no choice because it takes you years to rebuild your own refining capacity.
I know everybody loves to hate refineries, but I think it’s a really bad idea to outsource these sorts of things to overseas. No different than outsourcing your medication production to China and India. If you get into a disagreement with them and they decide to cut off all the medicine to your country, what do you do? You watch a lot of people die quickly, that’s what you do.
tetraodonmiurus@reddit
Share holders and lobbyists.
Playful_Possible_379@reddit
Republicans selling IP
ImaginaryLieGuy@reddit
This is why Trump and the admin wants to annex Canada and neighbouring countries. Canada has the 4th most oil reserves in the world, right under Iran (including probably one of the most natural resources and fresh water too).
For sure a civil war will break out before an invasion of Canada would ever happen, but we'd be ready.
Let's see what happens in the next decade..
ex0e@reddit
Oil reserves do absolutely nothing for gasoline or jet fuel in the US. Canada is conspicuously lacking the refinery infrastructure to seriously impact finished energy products in the US market.
mark000@reddit (OP)
Right_One_1770@reddit
Hahahaha. I’ll just ride a bike.
Neither_Audience_380@reddit
Are your food and general consumables going to ride a bike as well?
nuevo_redd@reddit
There are these really nice cargo bikes available just for this purpose
Neither_Audience_380@reddit
How are they getting to the place where you can load up your cargo bike?
nuevo_redd@reddit
The problem is less oil and a lack of immediate alternatives not zero oil
Right_One_1770@reddit
Bikes require oil. Get a clue.
nuevo_redd@reddit
Bicycles predate oil
Right_One_1770@reddit
Bikes need lube, like yur mom.
Right_One_1770@reddit
I’ll eat miner’s lettuce and drive river water!
burnthatbridgewhen@reddit
Just wash it first. My neighbor came over and before we could stop him ate the miners lettuce that my dog pisses on every morning. We decided it was best if we didn’t tell him.
Right_One_1770@reddit
My dog pisses on the mint patch. My neighbors make mojitos A LOT.
Routine-Argument485@reddit
Diesel is 8.50 here. I’m just gonna get a horse.
Fievels_good_trouble@reddit
Ride a cow. There’s plenty of them to go around, they eat grass, and piss milk! You can’t lose!
Routine-Argument485@reddit
I’m into this!
Maddwag5023@reddit
What’s the horse going to eat?
PureLock33@reddit
premium, like horses do in nature.
SBTreeLobster@reddit
Birds
I_am_MuddyTires@reddit
Those aren’t real tho
_ghostperson@reddit
Seems pretty affordable then.
Entire_Musician_8667@reddit
Government be angry you munching on all their spy equipment.
Old-Introduction-337@reddit
The environmental costs of international shipping vs a pipeline from Canada.
sweetteaspicedcoffee@reddit
Yet state government isn't saying a damn thing about it.
_josephmykal_@reddit
California does it to themselves with their own regulations.
WolverineAny3219@reddit
Just go look at the pistachios though
badbash27@reddit
Oil could be free and gas would still cost over a dollar a gallon there. Crazy.
Not political, just genuine amazement
smokedfishfriday@reddit
Why is this amazing to you at all? Why do you think we impose taxes on gas?
badbash27@reddit
It's the amount that was amazing. By contrast it is approx 4x what my state levies.
smokedfishfriday@reddit
perhaps your state should be levying more
Flashyjelly@reddit
California has high gas taxes with nothing to show for it
Valuable_Option7843@reddit
Incorrect, the road system is generally fantastic even in rural areas.
Flashyjelly@reddit
We must not live in the same rural area then
badbash27@reddit
We have a budget surplus.... They should actually be reducing it
Not all states are as mismanaged as California
WavesOverBarcelona@reddit
Google the word "externality." Gas could be free at the pump and there would still be costs associated with it that no specific person is in a position to pay.
canigetahint@reddit
The intelligence vacuum within the federal administration, as well in corporations, has led us to where we are now. All about the almighty dollar. Gotta get that next quarter profit, consequences be damned!!
struckman@reddit
California should cut everything they are losing from the war out of the federal taxes they take in
so-sick@reddit
We need to reexamine our facilities and see if we can’t do a work around, we have more than a few intelligent people here that can assist, maybe we should reconsider this California blend of petroleum, what is the rest of this country using and why can’t California switch?
Damn it, surely we can do this.
CeeArthur@reddit
I own stock in a really promising oil operation in California that has basically been permanently stalled due to red tape. There may be some legitimate environmental considerations, but I think it would really benefit places to be a bit more self sufficient