Anon Bashes Iran Supporters of Twitter

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iVar4sale@reddit

That's all true and yet somehow Iran is still in a better strategic position than before the war

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Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit

Still got a chokehold on the strait. Mutts coping like crazy

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TosiMias@reddit

Isnt part of the straight in Oman? Why exactly does Iran control all of it?

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WholeKruger@reddit

Cuz the missiles can reach that side, and insurance won’t cover you if you’re large, slow, bulky ship filled with flammable / explosives cargo gets hit

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Nationalize it tho and now we’re in WW2 mode, losing a few here and there are all baked into the plan. It’s definitely a solution that probably causes more problems than fixes and the guy you’re replying to even acknowledges that a bit.

“…>just have countries nationalize all of their ships…”

press scores of thousands of civilians into military service

Wow dude that’s brilliant you’re a real genius. Just have every country on earth forcefully nationalize one of their most critical industries. That’s never gone wrong before, anywhere ever. Not even once.

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yobob591@reddit

Anti ship missiles are extremely powerful and the truth is that arming an oil tanker is going to do absolutely nothing against them, it might mildly help against suicide drones but even that’s unlikely

Your only option is to send warships into the straight and try and airstrike shore based AShM batteries- the real issue is the US is TERRIFIED of losing even a single warship doing this as it would be a number of casualties not seen since Vietnam, and the American people are not ready to accept something like that

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finite_core@reddit

But the old system was working perfectly?

> They have made absolue bank with the strait being closed *to western ships, but not Chinese ones.* You are clueless.

>a whole civilisation will die tonight, never to be brought back again

>open the fuckin' strait, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell

>praise be to Allah

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feckshite@reddit

starts a war

closes the strait

How could opening the strait be the objective of the war when it was already open before it started?

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JohnDeere@reddit

What was the objective?

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Extension-Shine-9313@reddit

That is mostly killing Africans and other poor people. Not sure why US or Israel cares.

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Totoques22@reddit

Cause the rats of the world superpower haven’t been involved yet

I can guarantee you the moment Europe wants lower game prices and China wants to keep exporting their cheep industrial shit the straight is going to be open or Iran will have tougher sanctions than they ever did

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__El_Presidente__@reddit

I can guarantee you the moment Europe wants lower game prices and China wants to keep exporting their cheep industrial shit the straight is going to be open or Iran will have tougher sanctions than they ever did

Why would they? So that the US repeats the skit in 5 years? China and Russia are already vetoing thr US on the strait issue, and Europe is actively not helping the US.

Nah, if they have any idea of what they're doing they'll diversify their energy need by exploiting reserves in other regions (like North Africa and the North Sea) and increasing their green energy production; the same for China. And if anything they'd benefit from dealing with Iran in euros/yuan to destroy the hegemony of the petrodollar.

This whole business exposed how fragile the whole house of cards is, why would they want to stand on it again? Lmao.

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Paratrooper101x@reddit

You don’t even need to be powerful to do that. Cheap drones and mines can be placed ad infinitum and the USA will go broke trying to clear them out.

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aqlr@reddit

Watching a war be commentated over in image board shit talk slang is so surreal. Is there any stranger time to be alive than right now?

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littlelaghere@reddit

Yeah this is weird as fuck man

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Mangeytwat@reddit

No it isn't. Its had its influence in Lebanon massively eroded and gained absolutely nothing.

In an operational sense it's significantly weaker because it's lost the head of state (and the replacement is in a coma likely in a vegetative state), it's lost over a dozen brigadier generals, it's lost almost the entirety of its air defence, almost the entirety of its air force and navy, it's spunked a significant portion of its missile supply pissing off its neighbours to the point they'll just straight up openly support Israel now and it has no capacity to replace them because Russia is funneling everything to Ukraine.

Mangeytwat@reddit

America made fucking bank from Afghanistan and all the key partners got paid. It was fucking shit for the average American citizen and really fucking shit for the average Afghan but that only matters if you took America at face value and believed it was trying to ' democratise ' Afghanistan and ' safeguard ' America.

Think on this - prior to American intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan you had Afghanistan and Iraq as two rogue nations (belligerent to America), Syria and Iran as firm russian allies, and Saudi Arabia that was publicly funding anti western terrorism. Now we have an Iraq that is on the cusp of an economic boom that hosts American army and air force bases, an Afghanistan that is on the brink of war with Pakistan, al Qaeda is defunct and it's spin off Isis tore Syria apart, which is now effectively a neutral country (a country that has willingly seeded territory to Israel), Iran is crippled, and Saudi Arabia is de facto an ally of Israel and has largely or completely purged it's terrorism networks.

I don't know about you but that looks a lot like a comprehensive American victory.

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Worth adding that other Middle East countries were already opposed to Iran before cause they keep propping up terrorist group to overthrow these countries just not openly opposing them like now

Also the Middle East countries support this war and want it to go further

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Mangeytwat@reddit

Almost all the other middle eastern countries are firmly part of the American hegemony, they also just fucking hate Iran because they're Arabs and there's a backdrop of a thousand year power struggle between arabs and Persians going on. That's not to suggest Arabs all get along because they absolutely fucking don't but the various gulf states and Saudi Arabia will play nice whilst Americas hovering over their collective shoulders with a massive technological and cultural advantage.

But openly supporting Israel against a Muslim nation was a huge no no for as long as Israel has existed. It's only in the past half a decade that these countries have normalised relations, which prompted ~~russia~~ Iran to start threatening nuclear war again and was the catalyst for hamas launching its totally fun murder rampage that kicked off this entire chain of events.

On the one hand I really don't fucking like America and Israel (and especially not their current iterations) but on the other ~~russia~~ Iran is fucking awful in every way and they instigated this current round of nonsense precisely because America delivered a diplomatic and martial coup in the form of having Saudi Arabia and Israel publicly make out just as Syria collapsed costing Russia one of its only two key allies (satellites) in the region, it's an absolutely insane swing in influence, hence the whole ' let's suddenly start a fucking war we can't win in Israel '. Watching bots and genuinely stupid as fuck normies (both left and right) try to frame this as an Iranian win just pushes my buttons because it's such obvious newspeak - ' we're totally winning by losing every single engagement, losing control of our airspace, losing control of Lebanon and Gaza and attacking commercial shipping with missiles designed to knock out capital ships '.

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betelgeuser-joe@reddit

i agree no one is "winning" in this scenario

but to say Iran started this war i disagree, when its clearly israel thats to blame for all this nonsense, starting from bombing irans embassy, and them convincing trump that this would be "easy", this is clearly in israel's design

again no one is "winning", but currently

Iran has little to lose, the regime is getting more approval the more bombs US/israel drops on iranian civilians

US has alot to lose, the regime getting less popular the more oil prices go up

so as it stands, Iran is "winning" because it could open or close the strait on their terms, allowing china and other allies passage if theyre using chinese money, while still being able to launch attacks on israel and US bases around the gulf.

also having the ability to destroy any and all oil refineries in a 1000 mile radius, thus the global economy, also helps with deterence from a nuclear response

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Mangeytwat@reddit

Yes Iran has little to lose because it already lost everything. It also can't open or close the strait on its terms, America and Israel can bomb any shipping that travels through it. The only thing that has changed is that Iran is threatening commercial shipping and fucking up its own logistics chain in the process. It's doing that because all its leaders have died and various de facto warlords are vying for control, it's also why negotiations are nigh impossible, there is no functioning government. The only thing keeping Iran vaguely coherent is the threat of death to anyone in a position of power, they're fucking terrified of being bombed because they can't do anything about it so they're desperately reccing out to anyone who'll listen.

Iran isn't winning on any level and trying to frame it like it is is absurd.

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first5eight@reddit

Well theyre winning public opinion in most Western countries, where general populations see this an Israel & US instigated war that is having massive negative global effects.

The western world was already off Trump and the US before the war, now its 10 times worse.

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SeamenGulper@reddit

Wish I could upvote this a hundred times. People dont understand the bigger picture with Russia, and how the Ukrainian invasion cascades into them losing a majority of the sphere of influence. There also seems to be a disconnect in recognizing the damage Iran has done to Ukraine

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Novel-Paint9752@reddit

It takes Trump to fuck up that badly

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Oaker_at@reddit

World: Has something to lose

Iran: Does not have anything to lose

Yes.

My uncle is Hindu. He is a Desalination Engineer, and builds desalination plants around the world. He spent 3 months in Bandar Abbas working with local engineers.

He was warned by both the Iranian company and his own company to not bring any Hindu religious iconography, do not say anything un-Islamic in public, and to keep his religious preferences quiet while in Iran.

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greyetch@reddit

Not allowing Hinduism is not the same as "prohibits the existence of anything not Shia Islam".

Hinduism is pagan and idol worshipping (from the Iranian perspective, at least) - Iran doesn't allow that.

Christianity, Judaism, and Zoroastrianism are allowed. As well as Shia Islam.

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wolfmanpraxis@reddit

This is the key point.

Rationalization (in the international relations context) only goes as far as both parties have something of importance or interest.

CoSh@reddit

So they have 1950s-70s American shit too? What does that matter? It's all still useless.

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SeamenGulper@reddit

The guy already lost the debate so you dont have to defend him. Point being he kept lying and shifting the goalposts cause he doesnt know shit. They are useless cause they are all gone

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CoSh@reddit

I don't think whether it was American or Soviet shit was all material to his point. The point is it was old and useless.

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SeamenGulper@reddit

Nah he was lying and going back and editing comments in real time while I proved him wrong.

Now, I am a superpower.

Does that make sense now?

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Wiwwil@reddit

The thing is if they defeat the USA, they will inevitably be a superpower in the Middle East and no one will be able to stop them from getting a nuclear weapon, as they should

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DancesWithChimps@reddit

... what?

The only thing this war has done is reveal just how retarded reddit it when it comes to geopolitics.

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ZyklonFart@reddit

The only thing this war has done is reveal just how retarded ~~reddit~~ Americans ~~it~~ are when it comes to geopolitics.

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LooseButtPlug@reddit

Your Iranian is showing.

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Makav3lli@reddit

Only thing Iran can do it atm is pump out propaganda like they usually do.

Luckily for them it’s stupidly easy to push shit that the Western Left eats up because they hate Trump with a passion. Which then leads to half discourse coming from a place of literal fiction

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If the US didn’t defend their bases what do we call what Irans doing?

Propoganda is not the reason people are dissuaded from attacking Iran. Its just a shitty thing to put the country through. All to support Isreal

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chickenCabbage@reddit

All to support Isreal

That's the astroturfing in action. There's a lot of reasons that the US entered this war, be it starving China of oil, protecting the petro-dollar, lowering the price of oil, anti-proliferation of nukes, and only dismantling the regime that funds terrorism against US interests is in conjunction with Israel (because Israel is a US interest).

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sleekmeec@reddit

starving China of oil --> no explanation needed
protecting the petro-dollar --> no explanation needed
lowering the price of oil --> more competition in the western markets and lower insurance on gulf+bab al mandab shipping
anti-proliferation of nukes --> no explanation needed

Israel's goal is to turn Iran into a failed state so they can face less resistance

Right, I forgot Iran isn't a failed state, murdering dozens of thousands of protestors who started protesting because they have no water or electricity is totally non-failed state activities.

And Israel is totally expanding bro, that's why they drew back from Lebanon in 2000, and from Gaza in 2005, and again in 2012, and again in 2014, and from Lebanon again in 2025.

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Mr_Canard@reddit

Ah yes they currently are totally not expanding into Lebanon and totally didn't threaten to go into Turkey next, also totally drawing back from the west bank and Gaza, definitely didn't move further into them.

Oh gee I wonder why Iran's economy was in shambles, could it be due to heavy sanctions from the US that banned western countries from trading with Iran. No way bro, who could have guessed stopping most countries from trading with you could have negative economical impact, that's crazy. By bombing the population all you do is radicalize them and increase their support for the regime you wanted to see fall.

anti-proliferation of nukes --> no explanation needed

All your stupid country did was prove once again that the only way to keep it away from you is to have nukes. Would the US and Israel have attacked Iran if it had nukes ??? No that's too scary they might use them.

lowering the price of oil --> more competition in the western markets and lower insurance on gulf+bab al mandab shipping

Also dumb, the US is one of the largest producer now, they don't want oil to be cheap because their oil is costlier to produce

protecting the petro-dollar --> no explanation needed

By getting a monopole on oil all you'll get is to push every other country towards renewables and further increase their dependance to China, lowering the value of the dollar

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chickenCabbage@reddit

didn't threaten to go into Turkey next

Ah yes the famously expeditionary force with like 3 C-130s, a single naval helicopter (I'm not kidding) and a conscript army

Didn't read the rest lmao, you're seething and this is r/4chan, bonjour baguette

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Negative_Elo@reddit

Please stop using the term astroturf you do not know what it means lmao

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Negative_Elo@reddit

You dont know what astroturfing is. A TON of americans dp not like Isreal and out support of them with being influenced by a fake grassroots movement.

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ElKuhnTucker@reddit

Look at North Korea, Vietnam or Cuba. No matter how shitty your system is, nothing gives you a stronger legitimacy than getting a "didn't lose" against the US. Trump just ensured a theocratic Iran for the next 100 years.

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Wild-End7484@reddit

In any complex bureaucracy like the IRGC or regular Iranian army, the very top guys are often 10+ years removed from any real operations or strategy work. They don't know what's going on.

The surviving colonels who have actually spent time drilling guys in underground missile tunnels are better equipped to lead a wartime army taking distributed independent action. By taking out the top 25 guys, the US and Israel have probably removed a lot of political impediments to effective asymmetric warfare.

DancesWithChimps@reddit

You think the Iranian regime wants to keep getting pummeled? They were on the verge of economic collapse before this conflict even began.

But to understand you, the US makes a concession to stop the fighting and that means Iran wins. Iran makes a concession to stop the fighting and that means Iran wins.

Brilliant take. Thanks for explaining it to me. Ever consider that the US can just leave? Like they can just decide they don't want to blow up any more shit and be gone. The US doesn't have to make concessions to stop the fighting. Iran is the country being attacked.

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strife696@reddit

You need to understand that the enemies of the US are fully aware that we are more powerful than them. They know about our missiles. They understand that fighting the US will lead to untold devastation. They understand much will be destroyed in the process, if not everything. To these people, victory is the willingness to endure through the conflict and win SOMETHING. We could destroy their whole economy, their industry, and their official leadership and still be in conflict.

And in the meantime, they extract a cost from us in the form of increased fuel prices and attacking our allies, because their role in the war is to continually extract a cost on us that makes the war too expensive. Because then, WE want to leave the war and they can secure advantages they did not previously have. And then they rebuild using foreign labor and are back to normal in like 5 years because their a tyrannical regime and can just force things via edict.

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HughJaynis@reddit

“The US can just like leave bro”

Yeah you’re a dumbass lol. The fact that the us is willing to make concessions means that they can’t “just leave”. Iran can and will aggressively buttfuck the US economically by shutting down the strait of Hormuz. Iran has a lot of leverage in these negotiations and pretending like they don’t is just some smoothbrain fantasy.

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IUVert@reddit

How would they be able to make demands if they weren’t winning?

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Don't need tech that beats the US, just need tech that harasses the Iraqis, Omanis, etc.

Before the war Iran had a rustbucket Navy and Air Force that they could barely keep afloat / in the air.

Now you just doubled their government budget. You don't think they can replace that capacity in short order?? Who's the one jumping through hoops here.

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aghastamok@reddit

"HAHA, I am bigger and stronger than a dog, I could completely destroy one with this rocket launcher."

> said while a dog is firmly latched on his balls

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Just say you dont know shit. They have F5s, F14s, and C130s

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andrewwm@reddit

Repeating wrong things doesn't make you more right, you do know that?

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Volonte-de-nuire@reddit

A lot of situations, more recently Palestine, shown us that you do not need to be a “sigma male ruthless revenge team” to get the job done. You just need a good reason to fight, weapons, and no fear to die. That’s why the “war on terrorism” is a Bush’s bullshit psyop

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Usual-Ad-4986@reddit

Jews went overboard with their revenge campaign, Chinese tik tok spread that genocidal campaign along with Arabs backing it, otherwise it would just another
"attack on jews"

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HandsomeArno@reddit

Saying this is really antisemitic. Isreal =/= jews and jews =/= isreal. Critiquing the state of Israel is valid and reasonable. If you do, say "Israel" not jews. The preferred nomanclature is also Jewish people not Jews. This is a disservice to Jewish people worldwide and provides ammo to Zionists to continue their genocide.

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Producing steel is just one metric

It's a proxy for industrial capacity, which is why it's used in military strength indexes to gauge a country's ability to fight attritional wars. I also mentioned overall manufacturing output, which is about as good as a metric as you can get for a country's ability to produce things.

they need access to free market for any re-industrialization

As per Reuters, the Iranian proposal which Trump called "reasonable" on Truth Social yesterday included the lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions as one of the points in their plan.

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Usual-Ad-4986@reddit

it's used in military strength indexes to gauge a country's ability to fight attritional wars. I also mentioned

Eh Japan produces more steel than US, doesnt mean it can match US Navy, seems like a poor index

As per Reuters, the Iranian proposal which Trump called "reasonable" on Truth Social yesterday included the lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions as one of the ten points in their plan

TACO Trumps latest truth social said that they are hoarding troops until they get "REAL" peace deal, either way if you think new Iran regime would be hostile to US then I have a bridge to sell, they will tow the line and harass other ME nations

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Few_Mortgage3248@reddit

Eh Japan produces more steel than US, doesnt mean it can match US Navy

True. Large steel production doesn't automatically translate into shipbuilding capacity. Though unless you're Geoffrey Pyke, all those ships would have to be made of steel. If Japan were to ever have any aspiration of building a large navy, all that steel production would come in handy. This way they'll face fewer bottlenecks in supply chains and can focus on more on the actual shipbuilding part. So it's important for surge capacity.

There's very few materiels that don't require steel in some way. Ships, airplanes, tanks, munitions, guns, artillery, helmets and lunchboxes. Steel is the primary constituent in all of those. So it's not a bad proxy.

TACO Trumps latest truth social said that they are hoarding troops until they get "REAL" peace deal

You're probably right. I doubt Trump would accept such a deal.

if you think new Iran regime would be hostile to US then I have a bridge to sell, they will tow the line and harass other ME nations

Well Iranians aren't exactly fond of the US government. And recent events could've only made that worse. What makes you think they'd suddenly become more friendly with America?

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Usual-Ad-4986@reddit

Well Iranians aren't exactly fond of the US government. And recent events could've only made that worse. What makes you think they'd suddenly become more friendly with America?

The new deal will basically means new Iranian overlords will have blessing of US without interference, I mean they will still do their usual shenanigans calling US as villain, all that pony show for their own citizens along with usual proxy games they like to play, but they will be out of US ways where it matters i.e oil taps to china should turn off when US wants them to, no trading in yuan etc

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DancesWithChimps@reddit

Yeah, can't wait to see iran release a training video of them on the monkey bars.

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willindeed@reddit

Are we trying to start an Iranian "Taken"-franchise?

"I don't know who you are, but if you don't give me my daughter back, I will find you, and I will bomb innocent ships from my own oil-refienaries"

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Rokossvsky@reddit

Dumbass redditors as usual. Iran has plenty of stones and ballistic missiles.

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3Rm3dy@reddit

They also got rid of the more "moderate" people in there (you know, these who made deals with Obama, were actually open for discussion). Sure they chanted "Death to America" from time to time for internal support, but now Iran has guys who actually believe in this chant in charge.

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DarkScorpion48@reddit

Now we just need China to get humiliated by Taiwan and we got the paper tiger hat-trick in this century

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Backrus@reddit

Why would they? So far China is doing nothing and is winning. Study Sun Tzu and Confucius.

If I were you, I would start learning Chinese.

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HolyBidetServitor@reddit

Han Chinese master race 💯 chou dama

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Snoot_Boot@reddit

North Korea lost, China sent their army in and fought the US in North Korea

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ElKuhnTucker@reddit

To paraphrase Sarah Payne, you don't win by having a victory in your enemy's capital, you win when your enemy thinks it not worth fighting anymore. North Korea didn't lose in that sense, and they're milking that to this day. It doesn't matter how much outside help they got, because they write their own history anyway. And if you think the US accomplished their goals in the Korean War, you havn't been paying attention

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Snoot_Boot@reddit

The US did the same thing for the South when they were about to lose, if there was any war in the history of mankind that was a tie, it was in Korea

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Virgil_Rug_Say_RUG@reddit

Look at North Korea, Vietnam or Cuba.

"stronger legitimacy"? what the fuck does that even mean?

these countries are legitimately absolute shitholes

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ElKuhnTucker@reddit

You never wondered how Cuba is a shithole, and still doesn't suffer from frequent military coups like [insert African country of your choosing]

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Tsskell@reddit

"didn't lose"

So won? Lmao, burgers can't accept losing a war even when making an argument based on how they lost some wars.

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yuhkih@reddit

You just created 1000 ayatollahs

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Makav3lli@reddit

North Korea exists as a buffer between China and the US. Neither wants to share the border with one another. North Korea knows this and can use it to their advantage. Iran in no way is anywhere near that special to either world power. And as bad as Kim is he’s not chanting death to American and Israel, establishing proxy militias in neighboring countries to destabilize their own governments. He’s perfectly content in his own bubble even if he’s a shitty leader to his own people.

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teknos1s@reddit

That’s what’s we call a Pyrrhic victory. Poor ass isolated nation for centuries to come

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Mama_Mega@reddit

And the sad thing is, there was never anything stopping the US from dealing with those three, or Iran, for good, beyond whiny-ass "muh civilians" arguments. Which each, over time, were proven to have been the wrong call from a utilitarian position.

Me when I am dead inside

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Citaku357@reddit

Trump just ensured a theocratic Iran for the next 100 years.

Facts.

Obligatory peak psycho MacArtur story since you brought him up. Dude was indirectly responsible for the CIA pretending there were vampires in the forests of the Phillipines to scare Huk rebels. They would kidnap someone from one of the camps, puncture their neck in two places to mimic fangs, drain the guy of blood, then place them somewhere for scouts to find,

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HolyBidetServitor@reddit

👀

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LausXY@reddit

I’ve heard the US didn’t actually have enough nukes for McArthur

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GasterIHardlyKnowHer@reddit

Iran is in a better position than before

They have no leaders, no allies because their neighbors are pissed off, their military is in shambles, their economy is insane the shitter

Can you explain how this is better?

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IcyPride2973@reddit

Killing the ayatollah was definitely an objective, and that was on day 1 lmao

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betelgeuser-joe@reddit

yes because killing the president, destroys the US empire...

Oh okay. Well I hope you don't mind if Israel blows them to smithereens. They're terrorists, afterall.

I knew that was your stance from the get go. Y'all are predictable. Interesting that you weren't able to maintain the composure to not go off like that though.

You can vent to me. Tell me what you really feel.

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Dhrox@reddit

This isnt the gotcha you think this is, I wasnt playing a game or hiding anything. I said what I said and that's that. Now if you want to keep this going, we can, but I dont see what youre trying to achieve here.

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nomenomen94@reddit

Average maga be like

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Iliyan61@reddit

28 day old account

says everyone is hezbollah

brilliant

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Loathe_the_Hive@reddit

Says "brilliant": is actually Indian immigrant to UK. Saar, please.

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Iliyan61@reddit

no i’m not but keep digging lil guy one day you’ll find something funny to say :)

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Fflamddwyn@reddit

The delicious irony of you accusing others of cope …

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Loathe_the_Hive@reddit

I accusing Iran and supporters of Iran, of cope. There is nothing else to be said. I am right and any dissenting opinion is bots. You can convince everyone else but me. You will never get to me. Never corrupt my mind. Because your psyops are bad. And only retards fall for them.

You're a terrorist. Or you support terrorism. Aka Muslim extremist.

We fucked you up reeeeeal good. Trump said that shit about nukes, to make your citizens afraid and complain to you. He brought you cucks to the table. He MADE you come to the table.

You're not shit, just a degen religious extremist. You're backwards and everything you believe is wrong.

We will correct this, do not worry. Nobody can stop us. But even if they could, nobody would. We're gonna root out all your zealots like a truffle pig. The strait will be ours, "for the safety and betterment of the free world" and nobody is gonna give a shit that the hub of global terrorism got glassed. :)

Jesus_Right_Nut@reddit

WW1: Won WW2: Won Korean: Draw Vietnam: Lost Gulf: Won Afghanistan: Lost Iraq: Inconclusive

based take

for Iranian people this is a fucking catastrophe

for US citizens it's a minor lifestyle change

for Iranian leadership and military this is fucking doomsday they will be recovering from for decades

for the US, it's a matter of balancing their military budget for the next fiscal year

sure some people around US poverty line will suffer, some US soldiers don't come back, some of their gear and bases get destroyed

Iran gets all of this 1000x worse and suffers major infrastructure collapse on top, leadership collapse, military in shambles, and no matter how this goes they're still fucking stuck with Israel actively stirring shit up in the region

meanwhile for the US it's just a matter they can get bored with and go home

seriously, media is doing a lot of heavy lifting here to skew the perceptible image of the whole thing

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Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit

USA's loss in this entire thing would probably be something like no more middle East bases

Nah, USA's loss would be publicly and repeatededly begging for a ceasefire prior to achieving your stated goal (regime change) because your war is making gas more expensive and everyone hates you for it.

and international humiliation

Sorry, your post has been removed. You must have more than 25 karma to submit posts to /r/4chan.

Interdimensional multi-universe 6D Chess moves are as follows:

US spends $20 billion and consumes a shit ton of munitions to attack Iran and overthrow the government

Iran closes their strait in response.

*US new war objective: attempt to open the strait back up with threats, attacks, and weak diplomacy"

Iran defends, still controls the strait, and is now dead-set on issuing a toll to oil ships to safety travel through the strait in exchange for Chinese Yuan"

US pissed off every single UN/NATO "ally"

Results so far: Russia is able to increase prices and gain extra money from their oil exports (money which will be used against Ukraine.) Chinese currency is strengthened due to Iranian toll on the Strait. The dollar/petrodollar is weakened. US tax dollars are wasted. NATOA alliances are weakened. Israelis are corrupting the US government. Countless Persians/Arabs are dead for trying to defend themselves. Strait is still closed...

Zero gain, all pain.

Demonweed@reddit

It took you an hour to come up with that?!?

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Azeembra@reddit

This guy is all over this thread thinking trump is still playing 4D chess in 2026

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Mr_Canard@reddit

"May Allah awaken the people and help them to see the evil doings of Israel and the United States" - Donald J. Trump

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MinimumWestern2860@reddit

Touché!!!

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xKiggz@reddit

The amount of clowns in this thread who don’t understand just how restrained the US has been in this conflict is hilarious .

The Americans could turn Iran into glass. Cease to exist .

They are trying to do as much as possible with the least amount of resources used.

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bblade2008@reddit

You're right. At this point I wish the USA would just target their civil infrastructure and destroy the country outright. It sucks for the civilians but when you allow a regime to rule you that is only committed to annoying acts of terrorism, you might get cleaned out alongside them.

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CalvinYHobbes@reddit

It all about the strait. Nothing else matters. No one will ever mess with them again after this.

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enguasado@reddit

New leaders don't get elected the same day, actually they have assigned a lot of people in the line so if someone dies they know who is next.

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Quadz1527@reddit

Yeah and then they’re able to get everything they wanted and more by tolling the strait, sounds like a shithole to me right now

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LooseButtPlug@reddit

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Post nose or GTFO

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kojimbob@reddit

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shinsnatcher@reddit

I'm confused what does this mean? Please tell me grand noticer

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CharlieKellyLawyer@reddit

Stop noticing

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paneer__tikka11@reddit

As an indian, I completely feel this..

Lmao ok. It's a temporary ceasefire numbnuts, neither the 10 point or 15 point plan has been adopted.

I guess from an Iranian perspective, this has been a real ugly few years that doesn't look like winning in any way - half their proxy in Lebanon got maimed by exploding pagers, their proxy in Gaza is decimated and reduced to a low intensity, half hearted insurgency, their nuclear program was mogged badly, they've been strangled by sanctions, there have been multiple public uprisings against them that have needed to be quelled with severe repression, and now they've had their leadership more or less completely wiped out as well as the replacements for that leadership, what remains of their nuclear program is obliterated, their rocket and missile manufacturing capabilities are for the time being wiped out, their supply of drones and missiles is clearly depleted, they no longer have a navy or airforce, they no longer have a means of domestically producing steel, and they've made deep enemies of every singe one of their neighbors now.

Imagine a WW2 where it ended with Nazi still in charge of Germany and their ideology still runs the country lmao...would it considered A Victory? Win or Lose in a war is defined by which side achieve their objective.

Iran techincally win albeit with greater loss, its called Pyhrric Victory since their objective is well for the IRGC and the regime are simply to survive. In contrast, USA and Israel goal (if Trump even have any in the first place lmfao) are to Regime Change and they achieved that technically. by changing one Ayatollah to another lol

This aint video game where win or lose is define by K/D ratio :V

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Mohwi@reddit

They embarrassed America and Israel in their joint operation though, this all started with the sole intention of removing Iran as a threat to Israel and to propel Israel to a hegemon position in the ME, neither of those things happened. U gotta understand it’s America that had to compromise to get this war done, not Iran.

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Proglamer@reddit

So nice to see that open, brazen mass assassinations (no declaration of war, remember!) of leadership of foreign countries are now Sanctified™ by the Hegemon of the Free World®

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girlfriend_pregnant@reddit

Lmao USA got dog walked

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