Automatic registration for military draft to be implemented by December
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Posted by Defiant_Ad6190@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 35 comments
theultimatekyle@reddit
If they can register you for the draft automatically then they should be able to register you to vote automatically too. That means there should never be any reason to worry about anyone trying to register to vote illegally. They just want a problem to scream and cry about.
insightful_pancake@reddit
You aren’t required to vote tho but are for selective service. Voting registration is also done by state not federally.
sciences_bitch@reddit
Just because you are registered to vote does not mean you are required to vote.
insightful_pancake@reddit
Right, but you are required to register for SS
imunfair@reddit
Personally I don't think you should ever not be registered to vote, I think that's a right we have as a citizen. But you should have to provide ID and prove your residence in the voting county if you just randomly show up at an unexpected voting place.
SirYabas@reddit
Your vote should simply be linked to your primary residence, which they have in their system.
UnGauchoCualquiera@reddit
That's literally how most of the world do voting. US somehow is always resisting change on the dumbest of issues.
DeepState_Auditor@reddit
There is the exception for ppl with criminal convictions ,but such system would only guarantee that everyone on the list is a citizen of the US , I'm assuming.
FeralGiraffeAttack@reddit
The title is misleading. The article actually says “Most males between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register with the Selective Service in the event that Congress and the president authorize conscription in response to a national emergency. The new rule, mandated by defense policy legislation passed by Congress last year, will register men automatically rather than require them to register themselves within 30 days of their 18th birthdays.” This is no different than the situation in “46 states and territories that automatically register men for the Selective Service when they obtain a driver’s license, learner’s permit or state identification card”
ZippyDan@reddit
Yeah, this is a nothingburger.
Men are already required to register for the draft by law.
The threat of an Imperialistic America starting some stupid war of aggression and then drafting its young men to die in a pointless or immoral war is plausible enough to be worrisome, but this has nothing to do with that.
This doesn't fundamentally change anything: it's administrative and clerical. It's improving the efficiency of an outdated system, but it has no significant material on the final state of the American draft system.
Professional-Syrup-0@reddit
Like the recent conscription change in Germany was declared a “nothingburger” too?
How many “nothingburgers” does it take for some people to recognise that if it was actually “nothing” then nothing would have needed to be changed.
But things are changing, they are changing in a way for Western governments to make it much easier to account, and conscript, the male parts of their population.
That is not nothing, that’s exactly what the build up to a war looks like.
ZippyDan@reddit
Again, the law already requires every male to register for the draft by paper or electronically.
Also, as noted in the article "laws in 46 states and territories [...] automatically register men for the Selective Service when they obtain a driver’s license" and most everyone gets a driver's license in the U.S. for many ultimately stupid reasons:
The main effect this has is removing a burden from male citizens to go through the outdated process of registration. Other people have pointed out that a similar process should be used for voter registration, and I agree - it is similarly inefficient and outdated.
This change improves the efficiency of an outdated system. We can argue that the draft itself is unnecessary or dangerous and should be eliminated, but if the system exists then in context this is a mundane and positive change.
CoffeeWorldly9915@reddit
Ok, but, if someone were to take it upon themselves to simply never register or do anything that might imply registration, without any regard for quality of life, job opportunity, or any of the "amenities of modern society". That would be a choice that they would be making.
Just because not that many people think about it in "peacetime", doesn't mean people will hold it in the same regard in "wartime".
Case in point: it was mostly a requirement for access to some luxuries and an bit of a "process lubricator", but it was willfully avoidable. Now it's apparently not.
throwawayaccyaboi223@reddit
Pretty sure you can't get a federal (e.g. student) loan if you're not registered, amongst other things.
jakecovert@reddit
Yeah, where’s my ability to say No, I’m intentionally not registering.
Alugere@reddit
We already didn't have that. Not registering was illegal before this.
MockeryAndDisdain@reddit
Yep. Not registering was a felony, worth up to five years in prison and/or up to a quarter million dollar fine. The same for anyone that helped you not register.
https://www.sss.gov/register/benefits-and-penalties/
imunfair@reddit
Given that everyone is assigned a social security number you're not escaping scrutiny by not registering, it's a useless criminal act. If we ever needed a draft again it isn't as if they'd just forget about you because you failed to register.
ZippyDan@reddit
I mean:
If the government already knows you exist, and they can already register you automatically, then it follows they could also automatically detect who was not registered, and thus create a database of "criminals".
The only thing the automatic registration does is remove the burden of voluntary registration, and remove the possibility that someone could "accidentally" make themselves a "criminal" in peace time.
If the U.S. does reach a point where it starts a war and starts drafting people, and some people want to avoid / avoid / escape the draft, and maybe make themselves "criminals" at that point, then that's still an option.
But how does automatic registration change this reality? Currently, you can become a pre-emptive "criminal" during peacetime in anticipation of some hypothetical future war - for what gain to yourself?
Tell me how this administrative change has any material change on the individual consider they have the records and technology to do automatic registration?
Bobsothethird@reddit
I feel like you don't understand or didn't read what that person said.
CrunchyCds@reddit
Ok but they can automatic register you for the draft but you need to jump through all these hoops to vote for NOT the lunatic that is going to send you to war. Americans are so fucking dumb. (I am American i can say this btw).
tsardonicpseudonomi@reddit
In a lot of places you actually do automatically get signed up to vote. Selective Service is a requirement for men so having it be automated is a net positive. Now what we need to do is open the draft to women. Then we can finally kill selective service.
FeralGiraffeAttack@reddit
No argument here. The system is intentionally obtuse and anti-democratic
mrgoobster@reddit
Anybody can say Americans are dumb. It's not a fucking secret.
ThatHeckinFox@reddit
Slave armies coming back is fucking terrifying. I have never been so glad to have asthma and mental disorders that disqualify me from service, at least for the first few years of a war.
BrokenHeadPVP@reddit
Redditors discovering the concept of national defence and citizen duties. God forbid someone contribute to their own society instead of jacking off all day in bed.
mnmkdc@reddit
Eh being against the draft is perfectly rational. Being a good citizen is different from agreeing to kill people.
This specifically is nothing important though. We already have to register for the draft when we turn 18.
Financial-Result-502@reddit
Not going to war so the women can sit it out and hook up with chad
AverageRonin@reddit
Dying in an invasion is not contributing to society
ThatHeckinFox@reddit
There is a veeeery wide spectrum between slacking off and getting mulched by an explosive drone in a trench when it comes to contributing to society.
Topsyye@reddit
It’s too funny man. Any action by this admin they’ll just take out of context so they can keep on hating.
Iyellkhan@reddit
if you're male in the US you are already required to register, and failing to register can mean you are ineligible for some government jobs. this just makes it automatic, and means kids who have no idea they had to register wont fall into that gap.
it still requires an act of congress to re-activate the draft. POTUS cant just do it
helikophis@reddit
Well that's good, it will save some people from penalties for failing to do something they're legally obligated to do, and which should have been automated years ago.
jason_abacabb@reddit
It is already a requirement to register, this is just automating the process.
It will prevent people from accidentally committing the felony crime of not registering for SS.
theultimatekyle@reddit
If they can register you for the draft automatically then they can register you to vote automatically too.