Make it extremely illegal to DO drugs, but NOT to sell them

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Let's legalize every aspect of the drug market and let the drug market do a Walmart.

Imagine the following: Every supermarket selling their own brand of crack or heroine or cocaine. Just imagine, "Great Value™ Crack", "Member's Mark™ Heroine", "Kirkland Signature™ Cocaine".

If a brand is shit then you just switch to Costco's, and you get a 2 percent back in all you purchases.

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apathetic-taco@reddit

That’s what we did for the entire 80s, 90s, most of the 2000s.

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Cryzgnik@reddit

OP: crazy idea

Comments: wtf is this idea this is crazy

Every time it is so funny

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ScotchTapeConnosieur@reddit

But these are supposed to be so crazy they just might work. This would not.

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blessthebabes@reddit

You know that being an addict and having your illegal drug on you is already a prison sentence ?

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Coltand@reddit

I enjoy this sub exclusively for the titles. The comments are pretty much always complete garbage.

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Haithere32@reddit

I mean it's crazy ideas not bad ideas 🤷🏾‍♂️

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Quarxnox@reddit

The people genuinely trying to argue and convince OP their idea is crazy

OP: yeah

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I read that they did that with prostitution in a Scandinavian country and it worked well. It's legal to be a prostitute there, but it's illegal to hire one. If the cops see someone picking up a hooker, the john goes to jail and the prostitute doesn't. It's reduced that kind of thing a lot.

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bytheninedivines@reddit

That just stops the prostitutes from making money...

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BigPlaq@reddit

Well, it is illegal

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bytheninedivines@reddit

Obviously they wouldnt be doing illegal things if it wasn't a last resort

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Crafty_Aspect8122@reddit

To hire one as a pimp or a customer?

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OlyScott@reddit

Customer.

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Crafty_Aspect8122@reddit

That's dumb and regressive. Didn't expect it from them.

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c-mon_ellie@reddit

Damn. That’s clever. Why aren’t we doing that?

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OlyScott@reddit

America wants to punish women.

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hutch_man0@reddit (OP)

Scandanavians are always one step ahead. Wow that's what I was hoping for.

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YonKro22@reddit

Hang the people that sell them to match the number of deaths that are caused by them say there's a hundred fentanyl deaths in the city than hang 100 fentanyl drug sellers that should slow it down

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jon_hobbit@reddit

I think this is the wrong push. I think the more you try to prohibit drugs the higher the pushback.
Colorado was making so much money off of this that they were able to make more schools or whatever.

why not:

Make all drugs legal.... ALL of them... Tax the ever loving hell out of them.
Open up actual drug clinics.. basically treat it as if you were going to a theater almost.
go in drink weed, drugs, alcohol whatever.
Especially if your doing weed... have an absolute bonkers amount of food available to eat and drinks.
So cheap to go in do whatever you want.

When you get started they hook you up to machines so they can check on you. so your vitals are being monitored continuously.

if taking something else... safely dispose of any needles, etc.

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Simple-Pea-3501@reddit

Yeah. If you wanna fix the demand side. Rather than criminalise consumption. Treat it as a health issue and offer people with problematic drug use treatment

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gurthmonger@reddit

They would just arrest everyone for being users including dealers. Label them user and lock them up too. Just like they label regular users dealers when they aren't right now. You have a scale or your dope in more than one bag. Like two seperate sacks and they arrest you for dealing. No matter how you look at it if your mixed up with drugs your acrewed and an enemy/sub human in the cops opinion. The war on drugs failed just like the 3 strikes failed in the 80s and 90s. Dealers aren't outside schools trying to get your kids hooked like those stupid dare commercials. The drug users seek THEM out. Weed was the enemy until it was legal then dealers of pot became obsolete because the government got their piece. Unless they get something out of it they just lock you up, put you on meds, or throw you away.

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pnutbutterandjerky@reddit

Crazy idea: make all drugs legal

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ggow69@reddit

Yay!

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BatleyMac@reddit

I find it morally reprehensible suggesting we criminalize addiction, which is compulsive behaviour most often caused by childhood trauma, a family history, or both.

It's hard enough surviving childhood trauma. Its hard enough surviving a parent's addiction. It's hard enough surviving my own addiction. Now you want to send me to jail for something I never wanted and didn't chose? Punishing the suffering with more suffering?

I really cant get behind that. No shade or anything, I just think you might not have thought this all the way through, or perhaps you don't fully understand what makes people take drugs.

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xaqaria@reddit

This idea is like if Rudy Guliani, Rodrigo Duterte, RFK Jr., and Elizabeth Holmes ran a country together.

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HaphazardlyOrganized@reddit

Nightmare blunt rotation

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web_of_french_fries@reddit

Yesss let the kingpins rake in the money, power and influence with no limitations while the normal people and kids have their lives ruined. It’s genius.

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hutch_man0@reddit (OP)

Well it is r/crazyideas... But a business doesn't last long if has no customers.

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OneMonk@reddit

It isn’t crazy, it is bad. You kill the supply chain, the users are protected. You try stop the users, the dealers can just keep converting more.

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Sorry_One1072@reddit

The customers for hard drugs are addicted and won’t care if it’s illegal

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Awsomethingy@reddit

Every addict will be in prison providing free labor so there will be literally nobody left to buy drugs and the kingpins will have to find work at dollar trees and safeways!

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alicelestial@reddit

exactly. meth is illegal to possess where i live--doesn't seem to stop the rampant meth addiction problem.

when weed was illegal to posses, pretty sure that didn't stop a lot of people either.

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web_of_french_fries@reddit

How many customers do you think there are for every major supplier? How could this possibly be more effective or efficient in terms of enforcement? Plus you’d just make the supply cheaper, inducing demand from people who may not partake otherwise.

Possessing drugs is already illegal and doesn’t dissuade people from buying drugs

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hutch_man0@reddit (OP)

Here's a crazy idea: Why not read the entire post instead of just reacting to the title?

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web_of_french_fries@reddit

Missing the part where “jail one dealer, another takes its place” doesn’t apply tenfold to drug addicts themselves. Furthermore, in what world is it more expensive to build a case and prosecute 1 dealer vs the 10-100 people they supply? Finally, your solution is to implement stop and frisk with mandatory blood tests? So a dystopian police state targeting ordinary citizens is better than focusing resources on the major players?

What am I missing?

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hutch_man0@reddit (OP)

In what way does

Not jail, but involuntary assignment to drug rehab

Ruin families?

Also, never said blood tests would be random.

So yeah, you missed a lot.

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web_of_french_fries@reddit

You said random checkpoints and blood tests to confirm.

If I took you off the street tomorrow and threw you in rehab involuntarily for 2 weeks, would you have a job afterwards? If you were addicted to drugs and involuntarily institutionalized, does the evidence show that to be effective in eliminating your addiction long term? Is the state funding rehab for the hundreds of thousands if not millions of drug users in the U.S. alone financially sustainable, much less cheaper than arresting drug dealers?

I don’t think I missed anything that would make your argument make any more sense tbh

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TacosFromSpace@reddit

It’s /crazyideas not /stupidideas. Is there overlap? Sometimes. In this case the Venn diagram for both is simply a single circle.

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memermeme1211@reddit

How does forced rehab ruin their lives?

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web_of_french_fries@reddit

Copied reply: If I took you off the street tomorrow and threw you in rehab involuntarily for 2 weeks, would you have a job afterwards? If you were addicted to drugs and involuntarily institutionalized, does the evidence show that to be effective in eliminating your addiction long term? Is the state funding rehab for the hundreds of thousands if not millions of drug users in the U.S. alone financially sustainable, much less cheaper than arresting drug dealers?

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memermeme1211@reddit

Okay but why are you assuming it’s inpatient rehab? Outpatient rehab allows people to attend sessions while living at home. Thats what the majority of people would likely be assigned, unless they have a chronic problem.

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althawk8357@reddit

There's not another way to make it compulsory.

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web_of_french_fries@reddit

Then it’s not really “0 tolerance for possession of small amounts of drugs” as the post suggests. This is basically decriminalization with a small inconvenience.

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Useful_Calendar_6274@reddit

just say you want to bring back slavery.

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cabronfavarito@reddit

This mindset is why it’s so difficult to get rid of crime.

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Useful_Calendar_6274@reddit

In a country where it's legal to keep slaves if they are convicts... yeah this is not a good look. just legalize drugs

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cabronfavarito@reddit

Not sure where you’re going with that. Not dissing you but I really don’t get it

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Useful_Calendar_6274@reddit

make a common offense (taking drugs) punishable by jail so they can enslave you. they actually are pretty lenient if that's your only crime as far as I understand it, just give you parole and such

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HaphazardlyOrganized@reddit

It sounds like you're speaking from an outside perspective but a lot of conviction...

Not promissing

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coldestwinter-chill@reddit

Did you read the post?? He said the punishment is rehab, not prison

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HyShroom@reddit

Indentured servants, not slaves, and they’re paying their debt to society. If for whatever reason they don’t have any debt to pay but they’re paying one then that’s an issue of wrongful conviction and not of wrongful punishment. The punishment in itself is sound.

But, yes, legalise drugs. You shouldn’t be punished for something that could inebriate you to the idea of crime: You should be punished for any crimes you actually commit—while on or off drugs. Punished by indentured servitude.

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mercury_pointer@reddit

That is not what indentured servant means.

A temporary slave is still a slave.

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HyShroom@reddit

Maybe look up what indentured servant means.

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mercury_pointer@reddit

I would tell you to do it but I know you wont.

Indentured servants were working to pay off the price of passage across the Atlantic.

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HyShroom@reddit

Read carefully how I phrased my original comment. It’s all in terms of the social contract. The punishment in actuality is a debt incurred by refusal to follow that contract. Their indenture is the assurance of freedom when that debt is paid.

I’m unsurprised that the random I found on the internet claiming prisons in the US have slaves also believes indentured servitude includes the Atlantic in its definition. More exists than American history.

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mercury_pointer@reddit

how I phrased my original comment

"Paying your debt to society" and "social contract" are turns of phrase. It is not a literal debt or literal contract. I cannot believe I have to explain that to someone who is not a small child.

I'm not wasting any more time on your stupidity.

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HaphazardlyOrganized@reddit

I think this is just what we have already? I know this is r/CrazyIdeas but this just seems like reality but with more funding. Additionally like what do we consider drugs? Caffine? Alchohol? Weed? Adderall? Perscribed Opiates? The enforcement mechanism would be just extra ordinarily expensive.

Also is it illegal to buy drugs in this senario or just to use them?

IDK, this is all just way too invasive and authoritarian for my liking, even as a joke.

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Vamperella562@reddit

Or decriminalize drugs all together. I mean all the arguments that don't include self harm (self harm shouldn't matter legally anyway) are all crimes anyway, o they can get more violent well assault is already a crime. They forgot about there kids neglect is already a crime. Like if they are stupid with what the do on drugs they will get arrested anyway and if they aren't then who are they hurting ?

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BeersForBreeky@reddit

Cool man keep your dystopian future with more infringement on people's rights the fuck out my feed

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Funneduck102@reddit

"are you using?"

"No I'm just selling"

"Oh ok carry on"

It's just that shrimple

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Awsomethingy@reddit

Shrimple is as shrimple does

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theladymcgyver@reddit

I'm sorry to be so blunt but as someone who has experienced addiction my entire life, I just have to tell you that this is the most backwards ridiculous idea I have ever heard on reddit. drug addiction is a medical issue that should be dealt with by medical professionals. Not by bullies with guns working for the state. Clearly you have had zero interactions with people who are addicted, or with police and the court system. Either that or you have a very low IQ, and therefore you should keep any more ignorant ideas to yourself from now on.

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luvdab3achx0x0@reddit

Number 2 shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how many people become addicts.

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Ateist@reddit

Obviously you have absolutely no idea what "being addicted" means.

What you have to hit is the profitability of the drug trade- otherwise, people are still going to do illegal things.

And econ101 says that to destroy profitability you have to flood the market at prices well below cost.

Might want to make the consumption be done under the watch of qualified medical specialist, though.

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hutch_man0@reddit (OP)

Why hit margin when you can hit revenue?

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FadeIntoReal@reddit

As crazy as Nancy Reagan.

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mekese2000@reddit

They do that already check out the Sackler family

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Brilliant_Creme_2249@reddit

It is illegal to do crugs

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kreeper34@reddit

Wouldn't stoo me, drugs will always be in my life In some capacity. Bieng sober is overwhelming for me.

People have been getting high for millenia.

War on drugs can suck a dick

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Azaroth1991@reddit

Other way around

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rr1079@reddit

Decriminalize all drugs like Portugal did.

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Azreken@reddit

Go to Japan.

Very illegal to do drugs.

Still illegal to sell them, but your other problem is already solved there.

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Informal-Side-4506@reddit

Rehab is expensive as shit and you"re never going to stop people from seeking relief for an uncountable number of underlying issues from problems to pain to boredom. This is a retarted idea.

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BubbleBerryBabe@reddit

It would create an incentive for the dealers side. The more people use, the more people get sent to rehab. It will throw off supply-and-demand logic completely.

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rightwist@reddit

There's countries in Asia that have wages war on drugs pretty successfully. We could try their methods. Which as I understand it is mostly very harsh penalties across the board. It's going to take probably two full generations for a culture shift in the USA. Everyone who hasn't been born, their grandchildren could possibly be raised in a culture that doesn't accept drugs. Bc right now it's a lot like the Prohibition, you could have the laws against it and the money put into enforcing them, but you have a big problem in that society as a whole doesn't believe in it and will shelter the lawbreakers.

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FinancialElephant@reddit

Rest assured, this idea is crazy

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SentenceAwkward5302@reddit

You forget the 'black market..

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adognameddanzig@reddit

Crazy idea or horrible idea?

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Sorry_One1072@reddit

Why not make both illegal still?

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hutch_man0@reddit (OP)

Probably would be the best idea tbh...but the point is to divert taxpayer money away from something that isn't working, and towards something that might have more impact: drug rehab, counselling, courses, community service

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Etheoff@reddit

that pretty much already exists. they are called designer drugs. think, bathsalts and k2 (sold as an incense)