How would you answer this interview question?
Posted by No_Pollution2292@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 157 comments
You’re on the takeoff roll and you see your captain doesn’t have his shoulder harness on even though it’s SOP to do so. What do you do? Would you call a reject or would you continue the takeoff and point it out when the autopilot is engaged and you are at a safe altitude?
rotardy@reddit
Assumes the FO is allowed to call a reject…
In my experience over eight different air carrier certificate holders it’s 80/20 favoring only the captain can call a reject.
DanThePilot_Mann@reddit
My company allows any Flightcrew member to call a reject, only the captain may initiate the reject
rotardy@reddit
Yeah. Same here. So many minor variations of the same sauce
Skipper07B@reddit
Math checks out
Reputation_Many@reddit
It really depends on how fast you are. If you’re well below 80 kts probably bring it to the captains attention and suggest abort because we probably missed something else on the checklist along with it. if you’re sure we didn’t miss anything else we would just continue.
80 kts is our speed we use for transitioning from low speed to high speed takeoff environment. It also depends on if your airline let’s FOs call abort. a lot of Airlines say we will abort for engine fire or failure prior to V1 all other malfunctions or issues bring them to my attention and I (Captain) will abort.
if over 80 kn and you’re sure nothing else was missed on the checklist. I’d probably continue once we got up to acceleration altitude remind the captain hey you forgot to do your shoulder harness.
FYI 85% of the captains I flew with pop off the shoulder harness at about 25-50 feet anyway.
And either way. Maybe do an ASAP report.
good question. They’ll probably take almost any answer for this as long as it’s not stupid and you tell them your thoughts and reasoning for working your way through your answer.
DanThePilot_Mann@reddit
Pretty sure calling a reject is actually the only wrong answer. Your shoulder harness keeps you from slamming into the glareshield when you hit the brakes.
Reputation_Many@reddit
IF you give your reasoning, like I mentioned what if we forgot something else on the checklist. Some of these airplanes don't warn you you are not in TO configuration. If you missed seatbelt did you miss anything else like flaps, or whatever... They want you to explain what your answer is and why. But sure your just shy of V1, everything is good don't say abort abort abort.
My last airline: Captain briefing is: We will abort for fire or engine failure, all other issues bring them to my attention. If we're low speed I would consider bringing to attention (well below 80kt) what else did we forget. If we're above that I'd look for other things not configured correctly, if all is good tell captain after we're at acceleration altitude or if it's busy sterile cockpit altitude (ok, to do before, as it's procedures related).
Current airline, I still use that same briefing basically, we don't have a specific one. I just say all other issues I'll bring it to your attention since I'm an FO.
99% of the interview questions do not have wrong answers, they have more correct or less correct answers, and you can make your answer more correct or even less correct by giving the reasoning why. They just want to see you answer like you are a future captain would and are able to make good decisions while explaining why you would do them.
Not to mention 1/2 the people who are going to be asking these type questions are not pilots. They don't know if your answer is good/bad other than what they have heard in the last 1000 interviews before you. If you explain your example make make it sound plausible as a good option they will come out with a positive outcome. I had HR ask me a pilot knowledge question in a similar enough question without a pilot listening in. I can guarantee you she had no idea what a good or bad answer was, she just wanted me to explain myself and make her feel like it was a good answer.
blanc84gn@reddit
You’re telling me you’d call a reject at an increasing speed and then risk having the CA fling forward and knock their head in the dash ?
DanThePilot_Mann@reddit
A lot of people lack critical thinking
wildduk@reddit
I’ll now ask you the more realistic question.
Your holding short and your captain can’t get his harness to work and say F it I’ll mess with it airborn. Not uncommon.
What now ?
Punkrawk78@reddit
We all know the “real world” answer. The interview answer is you state that you are “uncomfortable” continuing without a functioning required safety item. In today’s CRM environment that should be the end of the “discussion”. If the captain insists on going without it then you escalate appropriately.
DanThePilot_Mann@reddit
For those listening, the appropriate escalation is ALWAYS union first.
Neither-Way-4889@reddit
Interview: Say you're not comfortable with that and ask if we can just swing around to the back of the departure line so he can get it squared away.
Real life: I ain't no FAA inspector man, send it!
DanThePilot_Mann@reddit
The real question is, why does he need them? My understanding is for the immense deceleration in a reject. So, why would i call a reject, when the harness isnt on him?
Commercial-Editor731@reddit
I'd tell the captain to put their belt on, if they don't, abort the takeoff
400Volts@reddit
Trick question. I'm not looking at the captain's shoulders
AWACS_Bandog@reddit
Obviously you're staring respectively at his chest instead
400Volts@reddit
We're making hard eye contact while Danger Zone blasts in the cockpit as per SOPs
Kerfauna@reddit
+1 to far more dangerous to reject than continue the roll. If you are cleared for takeoff with thrust not set, take a second and buckle up.
GroundProximity@reddit
>Would you call a reject
I wouldnt even "call a reject" when i realize it before the speedband is alive lmao, how high are these interviewers? Never heard of an FO calling a reject either, for any reason other than CPT incap.
No_Reveal_2455@reddit
Wait until just before V1 to reject, brake hard yelling "SEATBELT SEATBELT". The only way he/she will learn is to slam into the control column
KudzuAU@reddit
Don’t forget the thrust reversers.
Tall_Sherbert7375@reddit
And make sure the speedbrakes deployed!
Sunsplitcloud@reddit
Reject a low speed because if he realizes he doesn’t have it on and rejects and V1 that’s a much bigger risk to his own safety
Euryheli@reddit
Lol. The CFI answer.
lisper@reddit
This is kind of like asking what you would do if you were on the takeoff roll and suddenly noticed that there was a cat taking a nap on the captain's lap. How did we get to this situation? Did I not check that the captain had his shoulder harness on before entering the runway? Did he take it off? When did that happen? Was there some reason for him to take it off? Where exactly are we on the takeoff roll? Did we just advance the throttles, or have we rotated already? This is one of those questions that doesn't have a right answer. It's so implausible and underspecified that its only purpose is to set the candidate up to fail no matter how they answer.
Neither-Way-4889@reddit
The Captain took it off on the roll just to see what the FO would do
lisper@reddit
OK, I'm not a mind reader, so there is no way I can know that the captain has taken off his shoulder harness just to see what I would do. All I know is that I see the captain taking off his harness while we're on the takeoff roll. There is no way I can possibly know in the moment why he did this, so yes, I would absolutely abort and go back to the gate because there is a very distinct possibility that the captain has gone rogue.
But notice that seeing the captain take his harness off while on the roll is very different from just suddenly noticing that he never had it on.
PRISONER_709@reddit
"You just took off and the captain said 'positive rate' instead of sop 'positive climb'.
You:
A. Suspect pilot incapacitation, declare may day
B. You don't say 'gear up' until he says 'positive climb'
C. Pull the CVR breaker
D. Abort take off.
Neither-Way-4889@reddit
E. Call "Go Around" so he has one more chance to get it right
Aggravating_Fix_9965@reddit
Scream meow on freq and keep repeating it till the cap finally figures out what the hell is wrong
WingedWildcat@reddit
If I reject I have to do paperwork. I don’t like doing paperwork. Continue.
entertheinterloper@reddit
It’s a memory item and mandatory callout at my airline.
Up to 10 knots after V1 but prior to rotation:
“SEATBELT UNSECURED. REJECT. I HAVE CONTROLS.”
MAX BRAKES.
SPEED BRAKES UP.
MAXIMUM REVERSE COMMENSURATE WITH DIRECTIONAL CONTROL.
shadeland@reddit
The interview takes off his glasses slowly. Looks to his co-interviewer.
"My God. In five years we'll all be working for him... or dead by his hands."
AntiPinguin@reddit
Does the checklist also include cleaning the captains blood from his PFD after he smacked his face into it while rejecting without wearing his seatbelt?
Or is that a required maintenance action?
PleaseGreaseTheL@reddit
Isnt v1 literally the point of no return?
Is this a shitpost or is there nuance to this I, a student who has never flown a jet, am missing?
entertheinterloper@reddit
It is a shit post due to the absurdity of some of the answers here.
And you are correct. V1 is the point of no return. The only reason you would reject after V1 is if the aircraft is unable to fly.
RudderHardlyKnower@reddit
These are some unhinged answers from people that obviously don’t fly jets
z_barcode@reddit
I was just on a trip a few weeks ago and my seat slid all the way back off the takeoff roll, captain looked at me and said “you still got the take off?” He just took the controls until we were at a safe altitude.
StageMajestic613@reddit
Checking seat locking is part of the pre-takeoff checklist?
MJG1998@reddit
Definitely not and also Its not a C150 seat, they pretty much lock in wherever you leave them.
OzrielArelius@reddit
never seen that before
StageMajestic613@reddit
Pretty sure there was an AD for Piper seat rails. I know there have been a few fatalities when the seat rolls back at rotation, instinct is grab the yoke, and stall the shit out of it.
Moslak@reddit
It is in all the aircraft I’ve flown, but they’re GA
PleaseGreaseTheL@reddit
Im a scrub who doesnt fly jets, whats the answer?
FlowerGeneral2576@reddit
There are a lot of risks involved in aborting a takeoff, especially at high speeds. You don’t do it just for any reason at all.
For a shoulder harness, continue the takeoff, focus on flying, and then bring it up to the captain at a safe altitude.
AfternoonSweet2414@reddit
This is speed dependent. If I put in power look over and he doesn't have it on. Reject. fix it, we can line back up in 5-10 minutes. If I'm 90 knots rolling down I don't care.
DefundTheHOA_@reddit
Well you’re wrong for that take, Captain Safety
FlowerGeneral2576@reddit
Once the takeoff is initiated, there are inherent risks in rejecting at any speed. Below 80 knots, limit the reject to critical system malfunctions, and below V1 limit the reject to fires, engine failures, predictive windshear annunciation, or the airplane being unsafe for flight.
Kemerd@reddit
100%. Or on the ground after.
snarf_the_brave@reddit
Exactly! I don't fly jets, but it was drilled into me to aviate, navigate, and communicate. In that order. I imagine flying a jet doesn't change that.
sprulz@reddit
If you abort a takeoff for seatbelts it’ll get you called into the CPO pretty quickly
Guysmiley777@reddit
So he can personally award them the Best First Officer Of The Year trophy, right?
LounBiker@reddit
Yes.
And there will be tea, but no biscuits.
Insaneclown271@reddit
A rejected take-off is a pretty high risk manoeuvre, especially high speed. If you wanted to bring it up you wouldn’t do it then. Maybe in the cruise you can tactically ask them about the harnesses deal and say something like “yo some weirdo FOs might call reject or report you for that shit!” As a way of bringing it to their attention.
bhalter80@reddit
Would you ASAP it?
UH60CW2@reddit
There’s the weirdo
nhorvath@reddit
shh they're in the room with us.
lief101@reddit
The difference between wearing the shoulder harness and not is only the potential difference between an open and closed casket funeral. Chances are you’re still dead either way.
ChocoChipBets@reddit
😂
dogbreath67@reddit
Goddamn interview questions are so stupid
PRISONER_709@reddit
Once in an EU ultra low cost they asked me: "after the last flight of the day the captain left and you were the purser stealing expiring tomorrow coca cola cans from the cart, let's roleplay."
"Oh, you reported her? Now she told everyone you reported her and you're in everybody no flight list and we're having scheduling issues."
(I was 250 fresh out of school, first interview every. Useless to say I failed it. When I told the question at my current job interview, the interviewers started laughing)
dogbreath67@reddit
Those questions are terrible because obviously you’re gonna say you’d report her because you think that’s what they what you to say, but equally obviously, in real life you wouldn’t because who cares about a few cokes.
always_gone@reddit
The correct answer is “where’s my cut of the expiring cokes? This bourbon ain’t gonna mix itself.”
changgerz@reddit
yeah but the fact that they feel the need to ask this question in the first place might point to the fact that the interviewees are also stupid
dash_trash@reddit
Some of them walk among us... In this very thread
SilentPlatypus_@reddit
I remember hearing this one 20+ years ago when I was getting ready to interview for an airline that no longer exists, lol. This is from the old texts. Honestly, it's right up there with "your captain shows up in the hotel lobby looking and smelling inebriated but insists he's fine, what do you do?" for old timey interview questions.
Twarrior913@reddit
“Sorry we had to ask you that one. There was this one guy a few years back . . .”
Anderi45@reddit
The captain didn’t consent to you looking at his shoulders, obviously you should reject the takeoff now and march in to HR and tend your resignation.
propell0r@reddit
What’s the risk vs reward here? High speed reject blowing tires and brake fires, all to put the other guys teeth into the dashboard. Vs just going normally and talking about it after. Seatbelts aren’t indicative of a missed checklist (they’re not on any of the plane I currently fly).
I’m not causing damage and scaring pax to save your smile.
Carlito_2112@reddit
Not to mention, accidentally causing the captain to get a face-full of PFD/glareshield seems counterproductive.
T-1A_pilot@reddit
Eh, I never liked that guy anyway. Plus, if I take him out, my seniority number goes up one...
always_gone@reddit
You forgot about the senior jump seater with no shoulder harness. Seniority goes up N+1.
bhalter80@reddit
Are you holding the conch shell?
UnhingedCorgi@reddit
Not if you’re trying to move up the seniority list
keenly_disinterested@reddit
Yes, it's a requirement to wear a shoulder harness, but you have to balance risks. What is the risk of continuing the takeoff vs abort? Seems to me aborting places everyone in the aircraft at risk vs a single person (the Captain) who isn't wearing a shoulder harness.
LearningT0Fly@reddit
I'd scream ABORT ABORT ABORT as loud as I could, then pull power and, if already airborne, put it down in a field no more than 30 degrees off the nose in either direction.
If time permitted, I'd squawk 7700 and alert tower to this flight-endangering emergency.
Ill-Tonight611@reddit
Why do 7700 when you can plug in 7500 to really get some assistance up in there
randombrain@reddit
I know we're all joking here, but if you're already in comms with ATC, you never need to squawk 7700. Just give a "mayday mayday mayday" or "declaring an emergency" and we'll treat you like an emergency. Changing squawk is redundant.
7500 is a different story, of course, depending on the specifics of the situation.
You might squawk 7700 if you're not already in comms with ATC and you're trying to get our attention on Guard.
Ill-Tonight611@reddit
That’s actually good info. Thanks 🙏
mbgalpmd@reddit
It's also wrong. You squawking 7700 alerts other ATC sectors nearby/above/below of your status, meaning they can keep aircraft away from you and have a heads up that they might have to help out too.
randombrain@reddit
True, I was only talking about a US perspective. We can mark your data block as "emergency" which automatically forces the information onto other sectors within the same facility, but doesn't make you show up on other facilities' scopes.
Generally that's preferred, but if you're having an "I'm descending right now, I'm not asking you, I'm telling you" emergency, I guess that would be a situation where you could squawk 7700. Most situations I've been a part of aren't at that level, though.
UnhingedCorgi@reddit
They’re a controller so idk I think it’s good advice
Match-Impressive@reddit
I'd say it depends on the region. I don't know the nuances of operating in the US airspace so I won't speak on that, but I've had the opportunity to work at an ATC training centre in an EU country, and having seen their training scenarios, they generally do expect an emergency aircraft to squawk 7700.
Snuggles5000@reddit
I do comm first then eventually get to the M3 if I remember
Mr-Plop@reddit
Plug? What butt plug?
Carlito_2112@reddit
r/DontPutThatInYourAss
sprulz@reddit
Nah man sit on the yoke and ride the stick shaker so you can feel like a good kitten
fliesupsidedown@reddit
Or if you're ex military, you might scream EJECT EJECT EJECT.
BrianBash@reddit
😂
sprulz@reddit
Tell the passengers too so that everyone has a reason to clap
tincancan15@reddit
You are also required to tune into 121.5 and meow as part of SOP.
b_vitamin@reddit
Scream wetodd
Best_Big_9456@reddit
Finally someone here has an IQ above room temperature (in Celsius to be specific).
bean327@reddit
lol. YES
Paranoma@reddit
What do you think is more dangerous? Aborting a takeoff in a jet anywhere from 0-160kts during acceleration for multiple to hundreds of people, or taking off with the Captain not having his shoulder straps on?
bureaucrat37@reddit
“Why the hell am I looking at the captain’s shoulder harnesses?” is what I’d answer back.
zkoolie@reddit
Maybe you’re judging the captain’s deltoids.
Throwawayyacc22@reddit
“Hey guys, Derek, from more-plates-more-dates.com”
FJ60GatewayDrug@reddit
I can clear ten plates at the buffet but I’m still not getting any dates. What am I doing wrong Derek?
Avia_NZ@reddit
Or eyeing up the inflight snack
flyghu@reddit
His fly was zipped so continued the checklist.
MattL-PA@reddit
No evidence of wardrobe malfunction as a result of the impact.
PlaneShenaniganz@reddit
Haha I know right! That would require me to take my eyes off his crotch
helltotheno12345@reddit
Leeeeeroyyy Jenkins!!!!
CharAznableLoNZ@reddit
On guard for extra emphasis.
Himmelhundd@reddit
T/O fix the issue after auto is on and a normal after chk list is complete. Aborts can carry a tad more risk than seat belt harness fix.
e_pilot@reddit
Per SOP we brief the reasons to reject prior to V1, captain not wearing shoulder harness is not one of them. Rejected takeoffs, especially at high speed, can be fairly high risk and you don’t just do them willy nilly.
“prior to v1 I will reject for a master warning, master caution, engine failure, or the aircraft is unsafe or unable to fly.
BringPopcorn@reddit
I think you skipped "fire" in your list, we high speed abort for fires too (engine or otherwise)
e_pilot@reddit
I didn't, fire triggers a master warning
BringPopcorn@reddit
Cabin fire wouldn't, and if you were aware of one, you'd want to abort for that.
Smoke Lavatory might be a master caution or warning depending on the logic.
Big 4, Engine Failure, any kind of fire, windshield, unsafe/unable to fly.
e_pilot@reddit
predictive wind shear will also trigger a master warning
this is literally out of my company's FOM
To simplify highly complex caution and warning systems in a decision critical phase of flight, the 747, 767, and 777 fleets use the following abbreviated statement which accounts for both the low speed and high speed regime (below and above 80kts criteria) and effectively covers all FCOM Volume 1 items:
"We will reject prior to V1 for a Master Caution, Master Warning, engine failure, or the aircraft is unsafe or unable to fly."
The items covered by this statement include:
• Activation of the Master Caution/ Master Warning System
• System failure
• Abnormally slow acceleration
• Takeoff configuration warning
• Fire or Fire Warning
• Engine Failure
• Predictive Windshear
There's a reason some master cautions/warning are inhibited until after airborne. The briefing is also substantially different on a 737 which has less sophisticated systems.
Negative_Swan_9459@reddit
I’d call 911 and post it to reddit from the a/c WiFi.
EpicRedhead13@reddit
During the roll, climb, or in cruise?
Negative_Swan_9459@reddit
Livestream during all three.
Carlito_2112@reddit
Don't forget to remind everyone watching to smash those like and subscribe buttons whilst doing so.
Negative_Swan_9459@reddit
I’d be flexing shirtless for max attention.
ASSTORIA92@reddit
Ignore it. Continue take off. Mention it through 10,000ft on the descent
EngineerFly@reddit
I can’t imagine someone incurring the risk of an abort for that.
JumboTrijet@reddit
If there is a risk of missing last call at the hotel bar, continue . I am pretty sure that it’s in the QRH.
AntiPinguin@reddit
If I see tja captain isn’t wearing his shoulder harness the only correct choice is to teach him a lesson.
Reject and let him smack his face all across the dash
hendrixsrv@reddit
Put your hands over their hand on takeoff roll. Then once you have the AP on, gently rub their chin with your hands and tell them “your shoulder harness wasn’t buckled”. Then blow a kiss.
In seriousness, why am I looking at the captain on takeoff roll?
IndominablePancakes@reddit
As a Cirrus pilot I would pull the chute.
KudzuAU@reddit
Just tell yourself (and the tower)…”It was due for a re-pack anyway.”
redditburner_5000@reddit
On the runway. Niiice.
AWACS_Bandog@reddit
inb4 the mods take this down
Wild-Language-5165@reddit
Definitely a good question to weed out those unhinged FOs.
palbertalamp@reddit
' How would you answer this question?"
' Trick question , nice try though.
None of the above. Smack him with the back of your hand and continue takeoff.
Say nothing until autopilot engaged and he stops blubbering .'
MEINSHNAKE@reddit
It’s against sop’s but at least in Canada not technically illegal. Not really a safety of flight issue, continue with takeoff and discuss in the air.
TheStoneSamurai@reddit
Report it on guard. They’re always experts on what to do.
Punkrawk78@reddit
Delta pilots never unfasten their shoulder harnesses!
Left_Chemistry_9739@reddit
This is how "meow" is translated.
jeff-beeblebrox@reddit
The correct answer is to take a picture and post it to r/shittycaptainflyingtips
ChiefDaddyJ@reddit
I’d take my shoulder harness off too
wayofaway@reddit
chameleon
andrewrbat@reddit
If something happens on takeoff roll that doesn’t have an immediate Flight safety repercussion or have the potential to cause serious harm later down the road I would ignore it and not say anything at all. Take takeoff role is an extra extraordinarily delicate phase of Flight. Inappropriately a boarding takeoff is an extremely dangerous scenario. You can set yourself up for a wheel or break fire and potential evacuation all because of a seatbelt.
Once the after takeoff, checklist is complete, point it out and the captain will just say oh yeah, and buckle it real quick problem solved.
Mazer1415@reddit
As an airbus guy I’d just start calling “retard, retard, retard.” Non judgmentally.
Headoutdaplane@reddit
I'm going to take off all. I am paying attention to pretty much anything but the shoulder harnesses of the captain
MeatResident2697@reddit
If he doesn't have his seat belt on, last thing you would do is reject.
Anyway, reject when "engine failure, master warning or any other condition that significantly affects the safety of the flight and, before 80kts, reject for the master caution". The non-fastening of the seat belt is neither of those.
Independent-Reveal86@reddit
I'd leave it until we're at a safe height, then bring it to his attention. (Actually I wouldn't give a shit, but this is an interview question, so for the purpose of the interview, I do give a shit, but only once we've established ourselves in safe flight.)
Checkeide-failure@reddit
Reject? Tf? I'm not aborting just because he doesn't have a seatbelt on lmao
MehCFI@reddit
Abort before V1, after v1 fix above FRA
entertheinterloper@reddit
Gold Seal CFII TM
FlowerGeneral2576@reddit
I’d love to hear what else you reject for in the high-speed regime… or in general…
Unlucky_Geologist@reddit
Obviously you’d point it out after a/p is on…
Slippery_when_RA@reddit
No you gotta reach over and buckle him up. Especially if he’s also missing the the bottom buckle
poser765@reddit
After you buckle him up, we’d really appreciate a little kiss on the forehead.
Go_Loud762@reddit
Make sure he is full inflated, too.
Outrageous_Duck3227@reddit
immediately call it out, fix it before v1, not worth risking anything
Actual_Environment_7@reddit
That’s outrageous, duck.
Prudent_Cabinet81211@reddit
Honestly, this is an amazing setup for you to talk about your continuum of feedback as the pilot monitoring. On one end, you have the shit that is so benign it's not even worth mentioning. At the other end you have the things that present enough of a safety hazard that you have to take controls. Clearly this scenario is well below the point where immediate feedback is necessary.
rvr600@reddit
Of all things to look at during takeoff, why am I looking at the captain's shoulder harnesses?
In any case: if we're low speed, verbalize it and let the captain make the call.
High speed, it's not a valid reason to reject. Shut up and point it out at a lower risk time.
I just can't emphasize enough how stupid a question that is though. If you're looking anywhere besides a PFD, engine instruments, or down the runway, you need to ask yourself if you shouldn't be rejecting for pilot incapacitation.
SoaringEagle469@reddit
There’s only one wrong answer, and it seems to be the majority thus far
f9pilot@reddit
What do you mean? The answer is obvious. Are really going to go flying knowing there is a safety issue and SOP violation? The airlines preach constantly to freeze the scene until it's safe to proceed.
Of course you go flying in this scenario.
cjt09@reddit
I’d call a reject.
The shoulder harness alone may not be impactful, but if that was missed from the checklist, who knows what else was missed?
ResoluteFalcon@reddit
You'd be cross-checking everything on the checklists with the captain prior to pushing those throttle levers up.
rFlyingTower@reddit
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You’re on the takeoff roll and you see your captain doesn’t have his shoulder harness on even though it’s SOP to do so. What do you do? Would you call a reject or would you continue the takeoff and point it out when the autopilot is engaged and you are at a safe altitude?
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