At least 254 killed after Israel hits Lebanon with massive wave of airstrikes
Posted by soalone34@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 185 comments
Posted by soalone34@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 185 comments
soalone34@reddit (OP)
Razaberry@reddit
What % were civilians vs Hezbollah?
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
How monstrous you must be to see hundreds of lives extinguished and thousands injured, along with the millions displaced by an apartheid state and your first thought is that if they were affiliates of a group who formed in resistance to that apartheid state then they deserved it
Nileghi@reddit
Heres the thing, the other side wants to kill every single one of them down to the last infant at worst, and ethnically cleanse and slaughter everyone who resists at best.
At that point, a few hundred dead to avoid that price is an acceptable bargain. We've both been listening to palestinians for a while now, and their demands are actually quite clear. The annihilation of Israel.
Is it any wonder if we support whats going on now as a legitimate alternative to avoid the horror of what would happen to innocents if Palestinians and their followers win their war on Israel?
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
I do hope you're paid to write this bile
Nileghi@reddit
God I wish, but nope sorry. You wont be able to tune out knowing that everyone on the internet that opposes you is actually a government agent.
Are you going to pretend that we've just been imagining the palestinians howling that theyre going to kill every single jew they can for the past few months? Some of us are not okay with that.
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
Idk I guess I just find it sad that people like you exist, who can be completely convinced to abandon your humanity.
You know the IDF train dogs to rape prisoners? That's what you're supporting here
Life is more complicated than good vs bad but throughout history there has rarely been a more heroic struggle than that of the anti-colonial resistance in the Middle East
Nileghi@reddit
Oh I sleep quite well at night with full maintenance of my humanity. Again, how the fuck can you lol
I mean look at this shit. You people believe just about anything as long as it can demonize a middle eastern minority who's trying to survive constant onslaughts from arabs who genuinely, unilaterally, seek to exterminate them.
This sole claim came from a random palestinian 1.5 years ago. Has never been repeated again by any organization as proof. Has not been heard of since. Its literally propaganda made to make you think someone took the time out of their day to train an animal to rape on demand.
Rather I think its more likely that palestinians, as muslims, are a cat-oriented society and do not have much contact with dogs as theyre considered haram. And dogs hump. My dog sure does.
Hard agree, but thats because the jews are indigenous to Israel and the arabs have colonized the entirety of the middle east from Morocco to Iraq.
One day, there will be a Kurdistan. There will be a Jabari-al-Druze. There will be a Alawite state. There will be a Maronite state. There will be a Yazidi state. There will be a Kabyle state. Theres going to be a state akin to Israel among all the minorities in the middle east so that none of them can palestinianize and try to exterminate their minorities again.
Just look at all the dead jews in the greater middle eastern countries. Thats the world you support and want more of. I'm proud to have the humanity to not do so.
https://brilliantmaps.com/lost-jewish-communities/
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
Yes you sleep well at night because you're a white supremacist monster.
Spare us the spiel we've heard it hundreds of times before and it's no more valid than it was then. You talk about wanting to protect Jews? Who is currently bombing synagogues in Iran? Who bombed Egyptian Jewish community buildings? Who threw grenades into crowds of Iraqi Jews?
The world has seen what Zionism is and it understands that it is a cancer that must be destroyed by any means. People like you will be rightly shunned for supporting those demons.
Razaberry@reddit
Jews aren’t white but ok.
You just spout shit without any evidence eh?
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
Whiteness is a construct and European/American Jews very much are white.
Razaberry@reddit
So I’m Middle Eastern. Specifically Egyptian, Palestinian, Lebanese, and Indian.
I’m Jewish.
You think I’m white?
voidox@reddit
ya, we know ur okay with the ongoing genocide and think the victims of said genocide should just sit quietly and be exterminated, no anger allowed, no resistance allowed.
I assume you have the same words for the Jews who fought back and resised the Holocaust right? cause they wanted to kill the germans, but of course you think that's bad cause you're crying here about the victims.
voidox@reddit
every accusation is a confession, you ghouls love spouting this line that is completely made up in ur head, just projection based off what Israel has been doing and with their current genocide.
just a completely fantasy, and again, projection cause the annihilation of Palestine is exactly what Israel has been doing.
yes let's all be scared of this "horror" you zionists imagine instead of a word about the horrors of the ongoing genocide... you ppl are disgusting.
jermleeds@reddit
The difference is Israel has the capability to actually cause the mass civilian casualties, whereas Hamas and Hezbollah by and large do not, a few particularly deadly days notwithstanding. It's pretty hard to draw an equivalence when one side is causing an order of magnitude more civilian casualties than the other.
Razaberry@reddit
How naive you must be to think killing terrorists isn’t a good thing.
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
They bombed a funeral you ghoul.
Biosterous@reddit
Killing terrorists is a good thing.
That's why I support Hezbollah and the IRGC in their armed struggle against the terrorists killing their civilians.
PuertoricanMofongo@reddit
Are you advocating for murdering IDF soldiers? Wtf?
Biosterous@reddit
I'm advocating for the death of combatants in an armed conflict. I've seen plenty of people call for the death of Russian soldiers. Are you gonna try to argue that this is different?
PuertoricanMofongo@reddit
That's not what you said in the previous comment, but whatever. Yeah, I wish the same for ALL combatants that kill civilians. Especially the ones that do so with impunity.
Biosterous@reddit
So you also advocate for the killing of Israeli and USA soldiers and especially generals? Glad we're on the same page!
PuertoricanMofongo@reddit
We are! Bro, I misread your first comment, my bad. We definitely are on the same page.
Sorry for replying with sass in my earlier comment, I thought you were defending Isreal.
Biosterous@reddit
Lmao. All good. I kinda thought you were agreeing with me, but your tone said otherwise.
Razaberry@reddit
Oooooookayy
Magjee@reddit
I'd just going to guess a worse ratio then IDF to civilians then 10/7
Razaberry@reddit
K thanks for guessing, I’d really like some data
Magjee@reddit
Doesn't exist yet buddy, have to wait for reporting from a health agency
Razaberry@reddit
Will it be as reliable as the data coming out of the GHM? Because they refuse to differentiate between combatant & civilian. For some reason.
PuertoricanMofongo@reddit
What a cruel country. There was a slim chance for peace today and they opted for more blood.
xSypRo@reddit
No one, and I mean no one thought about peace, at most people thought about ceasefire for some time now
PuertoricanMofongo@reddit
No one in Israel, I have no doubt. Peace must be a nonexistent concept there.
Nileghi@reddit
Make peace with Israel first before you ask Israel to make peace with you. Theyre not the ones that have called for the annihilation of Iran or Lebanon.
Both Lebanon and Iran have called for the total annihilation of Israel, orders of magnitude a position more vile than anything Israel has done.
voidox@reddit
ah yes, calls for something >> ongoing genocide
also these "calls" are just fantasies made up in ur heads, meanwhile Israel actively comitts war crimes, ethnic cleansing, torture, rapes, starvation and an actual ongoing genocide yet no word on that, instead u ghouls want ppl to cry about these "calls" and what ifs.
ChillAhriman@reddit
PoV: You don't know what's the difference between Lebanon and Hezbollah
Nileghi@reddit
Seems like the commentators dont since theyre whining about lebanese deaths on the thread you're talking about.
And even then, Lebanon has plenty tolerated theses groups in the first place and still doesnt make peace with Israel.
Kelak1@reddit
Fact check false
PuertoricanMofongo@reddit
What are you even talking about? So delusional. No one is buying this dumb argument anymore. Israel is currently the one annihilating Lebanon and Iran. They just killed 256 people in Lebanon today. No one cares about your hypothetical scenario, people care about what's actually happening in REAL LIFE.
Why are pro-Israel people so dense? This is why you're losing the PR battle, lol.
DefDefTotheIOF@reddit
For them 'peace' means 'piece,' as in 'i take a piece of your land here, and a piece of your land there'
Flaksim@reddit
What do you think the point of a ceasefire is lol, has the propaganda over there got to the point where Israeli's think it's just a period to reorganize a tad before going in for round 2? A ceasefire has always been used as a way to enable negotiations leading towards some sort of non violent settlement.
xSypRo@reddit
At this point? We think the ceasefire is our government fucked up the war with Iran, went to war without a proper plan and didn’t know how to finish it. Hezbollah is a different story, they’re a terrorist group at our border, they’re cancer inside Lebanon and the Lebanon army is too scared to deal with them.
ChillAhriman@reddit
Maybe try not spraying carcinogens all over the whole Middle East?
Newbarbarian13@reddit
The biggest cancer in the Middle East is the state of Israel and its terrorist army. Respectfully, go fuck yourself.
borat_is_good_movie@reddit
Cancer?, i believe they have a right to defend themselves from there southern neighbor.
kamSidd@reddit
No idf is the terrorist group on every one of its neighbors border
jenny_905@reddit
You're bombing kids and innocent people, don't try and dress it up as fighting a real enemy.
Da_reason_Macron_won@reddit
Right... and the "don't hide Muslims from us" is because of the terrorism too?
tubawhatever@reddit
Hezbollah and Iran have a right to defend themselves
Cheestake@reddit
The terrorist group is the one bombing hospitals and journalists. IDF is a terrorist organization.
squirrelnight1@reddit
May you one day feel the same pain and misery you inflict upon the world.
d3c0@reddit
You cease me fire
Head-Ad-2136@reddit
Yeah, youre not a peaceful bunch.
SophisticatedStoner@reddit
A truly depraved ideological perspective of humanity that began with Levinger and Kook is now coming to it's wicked head with Netanyahu. They're all unapologetic sociopaths.
happycow24@reddit
idk the 15 and 10 point "peace plan" posited by both sides is basically a non-starter/wish list and not at all realistic
PuertoricanMofongo@reddit
Realistic or not, the fact that Israel's response to that was to kill 256 people in Lebanon today is still cruel. My point stands.
happycow24@reddit
ur statement was
and imo the first part is accurate, the second part is wishful thinking.
a "peace plan" where two sides claim to have agreed on two incompatible terms and one of the sides overtly escalating the war is not a "slim chance for peace" by any stretch of the imagination, it's just market manipulation
DTFpanda@reddit
Israeli ceasefire: you cease, I fire!
WitchesSphincter@reddit
They have more loopholes for a ceasefire than you can shake a stick at, which coincidentally is a loophole for them to fire at someone during a ceasefire
Magjee@reddit
The loophole is unending US support
discographyA@reddit
Zionism has been a right wing terrorist project from the beginning. It’s all they know how. The only solution is for the world to come together to end it, there is no softer version of Zionism.
Slobberz2112@reddit
Vile
abusaif@reddit
Netanyahu be Hitlering. Zionists be naziing. America be complicit.
GooglyEyedunicorn@reddit
Israel is vile. Their people are vile. Atleast Americans are turning on Trump for his rubbish war and behaviour. Israelis are on the other hand- colonials and already expanding into land that doesn't belong to them.
Imthewienerdog@reddit
Americans and thinking this is because of trump will never not make me laugh. No it's because you individual americans democratically elect warmongers and will continue to do so clearly.
loggy_sci@reddit
“Trump is the same as every other American president”
No he isn’t. This tired “both sides” take is dumb.
Imthewienerdog@reddit
What's the difference?
B12-deficient-skelly@reddit
Between Trump and Harris? Is that supposed to be some kind of joke?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Harris was so loyal to Israel she was willing to lose the election to maintain the US’ unwavering support of Israel. Thats not something Trump would do, he has no loyalty to anyone other than himself.
loggy_sci@reddit
This is complete fiction. She called out the genocide and was airdropping food aid into Gaza while Trump.
The way idiots on this sub hate Harris because she is liberal more than they hate Trump is fucking dumb.
B12-deficient-skelly@reddit
Which is, of course, why Trump isn't doing the bidding of Israel right now and is instead working to further the interests of the American people. Because he's not beholden to the interests of Israel at all
phaedrus910@reddit
Harris a president?
Imthewienerdog@reddit
Both terrorists
DefDefTotheIOF@reddit
The only difference between Trump and other US presidents is that he is grossly incompetent, this is actually great for the rest of the world so please do vote him in for a third term.
loggy_sci@reddit
Well, it’s hard to beat Buchanan but Trump still has a couple years, unless he croaks إن شاء الله
Some middle school civics to go along with your big opinions on US presidents: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-22/
Keep it in your pants. Save the cheering for human misery for your circlejerk subs mate.
cantthinkofaname1122@reddit
But once Trump is gone peace will surely reign
Imthewienerdog@reddit
Ah yes peace like during the Obama era in the middle east
Ambiwlans@reddit
Death toll fell every year Obama was in office.
Imthewienerdog@reddit
No it didn't?
Ambiwlans@reddit
Sorry, all but 2010.
Since the US doesn't track kills and only deaths on their side I'm using that as a rough estimate of fighting intensity.
https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/archetype/UIQLYZ45ABEBVMCM33JFAXB5JI.png
Imthewienerdog@reddit
Ah yes the time Obama was known for using unmanned drones the most ever in warfare means we should use american sources of their own sides causalities to determine which president was less of a terrorist.
Ambiwlans@reddit
The number of unmanned drone kills is a tiny figure. The war on terror was ~1m direct kills, ~5m indirect. Mostly civilians. Drones killed 3800 people, 90% military targets.
These aren't comparable.
Imthewienerdog@reddit
Your numbers don't match reality.
https://harvardpolitics.com/obama-war-criminal/
It actually rose during 2016.
bradicality@reddit
USA will 'reign down hell' through peace
ChillAhriman@reddit
Trump has to leave immediately so that we can leave this era of the US president starting any war Israel wants, and we can enter a new era where the US president starts any war Israel wants.
HalayChekenKovboy@reddit
But hey, at least they will use more diplomatic words about it this time!
HoidToTheMoon@reddit
Israelis are people, as are any other. Their government is a corrupt shitstain and there are shitheads indoctrinated into a radicalized version of their religion, but the average Israeli is no more or less vile than the average American, or Iranian, or Ukrainian, or Russian.
Stop letting the fucking rich divide us. Even now you're playing the fucking game people like Netanyahu want you to play.
Morgn_Ladimore@reddit
Stop with the whitewashing of the Israeli population when it comes to Israel's foreign policy. Their government does this because the people want it to.
HockeyHocki@reddit
The overwhelming majority of Palestinians supported Oct 7th bro
Morgn_Ladimore@reddit
Do not equate Palestinians and Israelis in this context. Israel is a colonial Apartheid regime that has brutalized Palestinians for decades. And you're shocked that Palestinians hate them? What was a uniquely horribly day for Israel happened countless times to Palestinians. Israel was and is built on the suffering of Palestinians.
HockeyHocki@reddit
you are a hypocrite and a bigot
Morgn_Ladimore@reddit
No, I just don't see everything in a vacuum and understand context. Palestinians and Israelis are not the same in this context. One is oppressing the other and has done so for decades. What's next, actually the Congolese were as bad as the Belgians? The ANC was as bad as the Apartheid South Africa regime? I don't support Hamas myself, I think they do more harm than good. But Hamas existing is a direct result of Israel brutalizing Palestinians for decades. So acting like Palestinians supporting Hamas after decades of being treated as less than human by Israel is the same as Israelis supporting their government in carrying out a genocide is ridiculous.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Israel is a democracy. They overwhelmingly vote for genocidal war criminals, expansionists and monsters. Don’t excuse that.
HoidToTheMoon@reddit
So is the US. Technically so is Iran, albeit they have a religious council exclude secular and moderate candidates.
Democracy and substantive, liberal democracy are two different things. It's fucking absurd to pretend that Israelis are better or worse than anyone else. That's not reason, that's ignorant bigotry.
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
Nah, we know how vile they are. 90% shit stain.
Bobambu@reddit
A country of demons. The only ones I weep for are those brave enough to openly denounce the Zionist project from within, and there are only like 5% in the entire country who are Jewish. It must be devastating knowing how evil and suicidal your whole society is and yet being powerless to change it.
Comfortable-Bonus421@reddit
Israelis are so incredibly brainwashed: more so that North Korea. Or the USA (best at everything)
I used to have some Israeli friends. People living abroad, immigrants, just like me. Not anymore. I realised I was only a Gentile to them, to be used and manipulated.
Eventually I saw through it, and a good 15 years ago started asking them for their opinions on Palestine and Palestinians… I had no choice but to cut contact with them.
Azurmuth@reddit
Damn, your definetly not antisemitism mask slipped a bit there.
Comfortable-Bonus421@reddit
Since that what they called me when I started asking questions, how on earth does that make me antisemitic?
I smell a hasbara bot.
Azurmuth@reddit
You literally said that you realised that because you weren't a Jew, they'd attempt to manipulate you.
Can you people stop calling everyone who says anything that you don't like a "hasbara bot"? Should I start calling you a hamasnik- or pallywood bot?
Dlatch@reddit
Stop equating Israelis to Jews. Criticizing Israelis for their actions does not mean you criticize the Jewish people as a whole.
By stating that criticizing Israelis means you criticize all Jews, you are declaring the genocidal actions of Israel Jewish actions instead. Now that is antisemitism.
Azurmuth@reddit
Gentile is literally someone who is not Jewish. They literally said that they realised (their own opinion) their friends saw them as someone to be used and manipulated because they weren't Jewish
Gentile: a person who is not Jewish:
NotActuallyIraqi@reddit
Yes, and rightwing Israelis use the term along with “goy”
Azurmuth@reddit
Except it was his assumption, not something a Jew nor Israeli actually said. He (not Jewish) came to the conclusion that Jews wanted to manipulate him because he wasn't a Jew.
And goy is quite often used by antisemites and neo-Nazis, not sure why you'd bring it up, doesn't really help your case.
loggy_sci@reddit
More open antisemite on anime_titties. This sub should be nuked.
FeijoadaAceitavel@reddit
What's your opinion on Palestine and Palestinians?
loggy_sci@reddit
My opinion on Palestinians is that they are an oppressed people living in an apartheid state and deserve their own nation.
_Antitese@reddit
how many north koreans you know?
Comfortable-Bonus421@reddit
Undoubtedly more than you do.
loggy_sci@reddit
It is insane how this kind of bigotry is tolerated. Israelis aren’t demons. Barely hiding the antisemitism but clearly the mods here support it.
DefDefTotheIOF@reddit
Really gonna need multiple citations on this.
loggy_sci@reddit
You use public opinion polls to determine if Israelis are demons? Doubtful. Pretty sure you’ve made up your mind and has more to do with sectarian hatred vs. anything you read in a poll.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
You are right, opinion polls are unreliable. Election results are a much more reliable indicator and they clearly show Israelis voters for war criminals, expansionists, mass murderers and genocidal extremists.
I’m glad we have come to an agreement on this.
loggy_sci@reddit
Jesus Christ it’s wild how your opinions are driven entirely by your outrage and emotions.
Election results also don’t determine whether everyone in a country is a demon. Israelis aren’t a monolith, which the above poster understood when they called out Judaism specifically. You’re defending antisemitic sectarian trash, great job.
borat_is_good_movie@reddit
I mean didn't germany need denazifaction?, israeli society is sick and needs to be dismantled in the way it is now
loggy_sci@reddit
Israel needs a different government that isn’t run by right wing lunatics and it needs to have US and international support be conditional on ending settler violence and normalizing relations with its neighbors/GCC countries.
borat_is_good_movie@reddit
Even the center and the left in israel is extreme, it is a society issue.
loggy_sci@reddit
Is you consider the left in Israel extreme because it isnt anti-zionist, then yeah.
If you aren’t antisemitic, then you would see how using “demonic society” and “Jewish society” interchangeably might lead someone to assume that you actually are.
borat_is_good_movie@reddit
The left in israel is also fine with settlements and killing civilians for the most part. Other parties are too minor to represent israeli society. Israelis also don't belive that there are innocents in Gaza, lots of sexual assault and pedophilia. I don't think I support that and I know you want to play the antisemitic card so badly.
Bobambu@reddit
The majority of Israeli society supports the genocide of Palestinians; support the constant aggression and the project of Greater Israel. I didn't call them demons because they were Jews, I called them demons because they are endorsing abominable behavior by their nation.
Why must you equate hatred of Israel as hatred of Jews? Judaism existed long before the state of Israel; there are plenty of anti-Israel Jews (almost a third of Jews in the US), and I think you fail to realize the more you unsuccessfully propagandize like this, you're making your cause look even more deranged than it is. You're telling people to turn a blind eye to genocide—not just that, but demanding we pay for it too.
You're a demon too, but don't jump to self-identify yourself as a Jew to justify calling me antisemitic; you'd be a demon in whatever faith. You're making choices to be a bad person.
loggy_sci@reddit
You brought Judaism and Jews into it and then act offended when someone calls you out for it. Hit dogs holler.
And then you called me a demon, propagandized, a bad person and accuse me of turning a blind eye to genocide… all for disagreeing with you about your ridiculous bigotry.
You aren’t a serious person, but you are pretty typical for this idiotic sub.
Azurmuth@reddit
The mods engage in it. The only mod I see that's active (babylonianweeb) do this shit every day.
UBC145@reddit
Yep. The only time I see Israelis protesting on a significant scale, it’s never against what they’re doing in Gaza, Lebanon or the West Bank.
HKEY_LOVE_MACHINE@reddit
That's simply because these protests in Israel are blacklisted on the media you consume.
There's loads of israelis (including the 20% of muslim arab israelis) protesting against Netanyahu, but of course neither Fox News nor Al Jazeera want you to see this, so that you never support the opposition.
Morgn_Ladimore@reddit
They are protesting Netanyahu because of his domestic corruption. They just want him gone. Polls have repeatedly shown that Israel's actions in Gaza and Iran and Lebanon enjoy widespread domestic support.
Maeglom@reddit
They did show up big time to protest for the right to rape Palestinian hostages.
Maeglom@reddit
I guess mods got mad at acknowledgement of Israel having pro-rape protests, but it did happen: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinian-prisoner-alleged-rape-sde-teinman-abuse-protest/
ResponsibleCulture43@reddit
It says it was removed by Reddit not the moderators, so admins have some trigger for it probably
Morgn_Ladimore@reddit
Yeah, I got a comment removed because I quoted what Israeli politicians were saying about Palestinians. Removed for calling for violence and dehumanization.
UBC145@reddit
Tbf it wasn’t mods but the Reddit admins. Probably auto removed based on the words used. But yeah, they really did protest to protect rapists.
Magjee@reddit
Just like their friends across the pond
Lots of effort to protect a rapist.pdf
overpriced-taco@reddit
They only protest the EFFECTS of the war/genocide, such as the effects on the economy, conscription, and war fatigue. They do not protest the genocide itself, save a very small minority of Israelis who have a conscience. More power to those people.
travistravis@reddit
There was also a protest when it was suggested that Palestinian captives shouldn't be raped.
DefDefTotheIOF@reddit
The only time I've seen them protesting is either for the right to rape, or to do genocide even harder.
reddit_is_geh@reddit
It really highlights the difference. Americans aren't doing shit like this, and when stuff like this does happen, there's public outrage, media tours, and just generally condemnation. When Israel does it, all the zionists come out defending it, insisting it is justified, and just defend constantly no matter what.
You can tell they literally don't care about arab lives. They are just racists so they don't actually feel bad when these deaths happen, which is why they are always defending it. They just don't understand how people can care that some innocent arabs are killed. It's just a number to them.
Judge_Druidy@reddit
Americans are turning on Trump?
Who? Where? Why are there not millions in the streets daily?
johnruby@reddit
I wouldn't give Americans credit for "turning on Trump". Yes, the approval rate is tanking, but that orange is still actively babbling and wreaking havoc all around the world. I don't care whether most Americans are against him or not. They elect this POS. If they don't have the courage or determination or will of power to hold him accountable and remove him from power, they are the problem as well, and they should be forever shamed for their political mistake and moral failure.,
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
Yeah, the whole country and its population are rotten.
Iwantmytshirtback@reddit
Wasn't one of the terms of the ceasefire that Israel not do specifically this?
I suppose given Israel's track record it shouldn't a surprise that they are once again taking a ceasefire as an opportunity to try sucker punch a neighbouring country so they can keep invading for lebensraum.
manhattanabe@reddit
Not according to US VP Vance.
squirrelnight1@reddit
They don't want the war to stop. This is what they've been dreaming of for decades. They want more blood and death until they are the only ones left alive in the middle east, maybe the world.
fudgemental@reddit
Why would they want the war to stop? They started it, forced their biggest ally to bomb a school to get them to be fully committed to it, and used that as a distraction to expand their borders. Despite all the bombs Tel Aviv is being hit with, not a single fucking protest there against the war. The destruction is a small price for all of them to be able to expand into Greater Israel.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Actually, there was a tiny protest. The Israeli police stormed in and arrested them. Then locked them into an unsafe room (it had windows) during an Iranian attack.
So there are a few dozen Jewish Israelis in all Israel who object to what Israel is doing. Yay?
Ambiwlans@reddit
Israel stated that they didn't agree to this part of the ceasefire.
jenny_905@reddit
Hard to tell. Everyone seems to be claiming different things, like they all signed different agreements.
ChillAhriman@reddit
Iran has been consistent through all of this time about wanting their allies to be included in any peace deal. The US side claiming otherwise is just making deaf ears to justify the fact that they can't say no to Israel.
loggy_sci@reddit
Nobody signed any kind of a peace deal. Trump announced a ceasefire after seeing the Iranian demands and calling them “workable”. Nobody agreed to anything yet, certainly not the terms of a ceasefire.
ChillAhriman@reddit
This was my thought yesterday. "This is going to be a good ceasefire for a whole lot 24 hours. Israel will breach it soon enough though." In hindisght, not surprised that they haven't made it to 24 hours.
overpriced-taco@reddit
I'm convinced there can never be a true ceasefire in the region until Israel is fully disarmed and dismantled. They will never stop bombing and killing. It's all they know how to do.
Azurmuth@reddit
Strange how all the countries that have actually agreed to peace are now peaceful neighbors with Israel, while countries like Lebanon that had refused to uphold their ends of any agreement aren't.
IAMADon@reddit
Strange what happens when Israel returns land they had stolen.
Shame that it needed Egypt to cause enough damage that Israel doubted their future military superiority, leaving peace as the only safe long term option, rather than just, yknow, Israel wanting peace.
Azurmuth@reddit
What did Israel do to be attacked the day after they declared independence
splader@reddit
Steal land?
IAMADon@reddit
When 3 terrorist organisations, of which one contacted the Nazi's to form an agreement against the British, ethnically cleansed Palestine and unilaterally declared statehood over what they openly stated was a "stepping stone" to expanding further into Palestine and Transjordan?
For the same reason Sweden sent recon troops to Greenland when Trump threatened to take it. Defense against foreign invasion.
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
Shame that it needed Egypt to cause enough damage that Israel doubted their future military superiority
Revlar@reddit
When Israel attacked Egypt "preemptively", yes.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Azurmuth:
2/22. Failing mark.
Tangata_Tunguska@reddit
You'd need to disarm all the countries around them as well. Hezbollah fire rockets at civilian cities, you can't really expect Israel to be ok with that.
The whole region is a mess and has been for thousands of years
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
'Have fun with your anti-white supremacist rape colony echo chamber'
You really thought you did something huh?
Tangata_Tunguska@reddit
Nah. I originally came to this sub because it was much more neutral than worldnews (which was pro-Israel) and many other news subs. Unfortunately it has shifted to defaulting to west=bad and non-west=good.
It'd be nice to be able to criticise Israel AND the nations around it that launch rockets and suicide bomb buses. The truth is, if those nations stopped doing that then munters like Netanyahu would stop getting elected.
neverfoundagirl@reddit
You're getting there... Keep following the money
001000110000111@reddit
You are being downvoted because you are trying to shift the blame to others, and basically saying “Israel has the right to defend itself”.
Everyone in the Middle East wants peace, every government, every militia group, every citizen. Except for Israelis, Zionists, and US Govt. They don’t want peace, they want instability. Somehow they profit out of it. The sooner you will learn that, the sooner you can get free.
But hey, atleast you had a voice in this sub, the pro-Israel pro-pedophile subs like worldnews will ban for even posting an article like this.
Tangata_Tunguska@reddit
It's not shifting blame, its realistic: Israel will never demilitarise while it is surrounded by such hostility. I'm not saying at all they don't promote that hostility
That just isn't true. The houthi flag literally says... actually I cant even write what it says about Israel/Jews because the reddit AI would give me a 3 day ban. There is intense, intense hatred directed at them. It has actually gotten much better in the last few decades with the oil states, Egypt etc at least agreeing that Israel exists. But the Iran backed Houthis/Hezbollah/Hamas are still actively attacking Israel. You can't just leave that part out
Prosthemadera@reddit
Good, do it. No one should have weapons.
Nope. Israel is doing that. They just killed over 200 people. Over 200 lives destroyed like nothing, all their hopes and dreams gone, their families and friends suffering despair and grief.
You forgot Israelis.
No, that's not the reason. And it's not even the only thing you said.
True. But it addresses the biggest problem in the region that appears to have lost the last remaining inhibitions and is just killing massive amounts of people, destroying cities and occupying sovereign nations without any care. Hamas and Hezbollah are a minor concern in comparison.
Tangata_Tunguska@reddit
There's a whole wiki page dedicated to it bro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_projectile_attacks_from_Lebanon_on_Israel_and_the_Golan_Heights
Prosthemadera@reddit
Which ends in 2023 bro
Meanwhile, there is a whole thread dedicated to the war crime Israel has committed today, the thread you are in right now, and you have nothing to say about it, you don't care at all. So shut about about Hezbollah.
I wasn't talking about that but the invasion of Lebanon.
And what do you mean, Israel was given by the UN? There was a lot more to it. People already lived there!
You also left out the rest of my comment.
ThinCrusts@reddit
Hey now, that's antiseptic.. They've been promised all of this for over 3000 years ffs.
Bolaumius@reddit
Now now, you are being unfair. They are also very good at hiding and protecting pedos in their country too!
hectorgarabit@reddit
The Guardian really tried very hard to blame Hezbollah in this article. It tried really hard to excuse Israel's action. This type of journalism, even from The Guardian is why Israel is such a rabid rogue state. Every time a western journalist makes neww excuses for a massacre, Israel will double down with more death and destruction.
There is a very clear pattern: Israel wants war. Israel wants war because it weakens its neighbors and the rest of the world, the US in particular, pays for it. There won't be peace in the ME until Israel pays the price of the war.
loggy_sci@reddit
Israel is a rogue state because of western journalism, somehow.
Good lord what a take.
Away_team42@reddit
Some of the comments in this thread are braindead takes.
splader@reddit
You agree with this massacre?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Yeah, that’s exactly what they said except for the other stuff you left out and they never said that. Well done, now justify raping children.
Nileghi@reddit
Yes actually.
Peace-Only@reddit
The Guardian, is not as bad as the NYT and WaPo, but it's nowhere close to the truth regarding Israel's wrongful conduct or Palestine's history since the 19th century.
911roofer@reddit
Lebanon was supposed to disarm Hezbollah or Israel was going to take a chainsaw to their country. They didn’t, and now Israel is showing they follow through on their threats. Sucks to be them.
rattleandhum@reddit
"Wales"
balamb_fish@reddit
Israel is sabotaging the ceasefire.
First, Trump calls Netanyahu and tells him about the ceasefire and that the deal is that Israel stops too. During the call there's a disagreement about Lebanon.
Apparently Trump gives in to Netanyahu and allows him to keep going in Lebanon. Contrary to what he promised the Iranians.
Then Israel goes ahead and executes the deadliest attack so far on the first day of the ceasefire.
Ambiwlans@reddit
The US fighting Iran is great for Israel. It beats up their real enemy they wouldn't dare fight and enables them to take Lebanon without Iranian defense.
This is a massive win to them. Why would they agree to a ceasefire?
neverfoundagirl@reddit
Israel has never agreed to a ceasefire in good faith
LeGrandLucifer@reddit
I have a Lebanese coworker. He was freaking out last night watching this happen. To my surprise, he asked me why Israel would do this. I expected him to understand but I also knew that if he asked it's because he knew I'd give him the genuine answer:
Israel wanted none of that ceasefire. They started bombing Lebanon immediately using "Well TECHNICALLY Lebanon isn't included!" to cause the ceasefire the fail. When it wasn't enough, they intensified the bombings and made sure to hit as many civilians as possible.
I see a lot of people speculating that this is happening to distract from the Epstein files. Though I'm sure that's convenient, the reality is much simpler: The ones who wanted this war are the Israelis. No one else on the planet wants this. The Americans went in because that country is ruled by religious maniacs who think they're bringing about the biblical apocalypse. But the United States had no real incentive to do this. Which is why they were willing to consider a ceasefire. Israel does not want a ceasefire. It wants to annihilate Iran once and for all
And I'd like to point out that if Israel does have nuclear weapons, it's likely this whole thing will end very badly. Israel has gone off the deep end.
Worldly_Anybody_9219@reddit
The worst part of this is all these deaths seem like a petty vengeance for not being included enough in the ceasefire talks. Israel does not value human life.
Firefox72@reddit
Thing is
The TACO man is pathetic enough to agree to those terms even if they are clearly a loss for the US.
But there was no way Israel was accepting those terms. Not all thats happened. They would have essenetialy wasted the last month and came out with nothing.
blobofhope@reddit
Iran and Pakistan are saying Lebanon was included in the ceasefire…
Apparently Iran said they would reclose the strait due to the bombing in Lebanon.. Just before the white house briefing.
Watching Leavitt go on at how Iran dropped to their knees and asked for a ceasefire yesterday and what a great victory that is, and how the strait is reopened etc… a few minutes after that announcement was surreal.
They asked, she said it is a lie and Iran didn’t say they would close the strait again… surreal.
cdnhistorystudent@reddit
As many expected, Netanyahu is doing everything he can to sabotage the ceasefire and drag the U.S. back into the war. He wants to continue the genocide in Palestine and Lebanon, and he was hoping the U.S. would commit genocide in Iran as well.
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