Middle East ceasefire in serious doubt as Israel assaults Lebanon and Iran blocks oil tankers

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McChibken@reddit

So not only did Trump surrender in shame from a pointless war that he started for no reason, but he also didn't even secure the end of the war anyway? Any civilized country would have dropped the floor out from under this guy by now, why do Americans accept this global embarrassment?

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loggy_sci@reddit

Because it isn’t a parliamentary system and we can’t just replace a leader like that.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

There are options. Politicians don’t take them because the system is broken.

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loggy_sci@reddit

The system is broken because the majority party doesn’t remove the leader of their party from office? Okay.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Surely there are some republicans who see that this is a shitshow. This is utterly stupid. Unfortunately the senior democrats are so timid and afraid of upsetting the republicans I can see them self-sabotaging the party in November.

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loggy_sci@reddit

Some republicans are “concerned” about his rhetoric but are doing nothing to limit Trumps war powers or stop him in any way.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Joke’s on them. He is screwing the US over. He may even screw Israel up in the process. I can only hope.

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loggy_sci@reddit

Because you’re petty. Try hoping for no violence instead of this doomer fantasy.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

I’m petty? Because I want less US support to your favourite genocidal state?

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BigDicEnergy@reddit

Western press is irredeemable.

Israel slaughters 250+ people in Lebanon in one day and the ceasefire is "in serious doubt". Israel (and the UAE apparently??) strike oil facilities on Siri island and the ceasefire is "under strain".

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Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit

Iran never stopped firing missiles at the Gulf States. They hit oil facilities all morning.

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Jelly_bean_420@reddit

Possibly - but certainly after Israel killed 250+ people in Beirut. At that point, the ceasefire has already been violated.

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Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit

? I'm talking about things that happened after the declaration of a ceasefire and before Israel bombed Beirut.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Do you have a force for that?

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Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit

Yeah, it's called "the news immediately after the ceasefire yesterday"

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

This is completely untrue. The timeline for the attack on Laban Island was:

4/8 03:30 GMT - Iran and Hezbollah stop firing. 4/8 06:30 GMT - Lavan island attacked. 4/8 13:00 GMT - Reports of Iran attacking Kuwait and UAE. Not Israel for some reason. 4/8 23:30 GMT - Israel attacks Beirut.

And you lie about and defend this shit.

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Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit

Iran was firing on Kuwait and the UAE a minute after the ceasefire was declared. The attacks on Kuwaiti and UAE energy infrastructure predate the attack on Lavan island, which was clearly executed by the UAE AF in retaliation.

And you lie about and defend this shit.

Your timeline is completely wrong, why lie about something so obvious?

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Utter BS. I looked it up. You’ve just spotted assertions without links. Happy to be proven wrong, but apparently you are allergic to providing sources. Which makes sense given you appear to be lying.

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Hamiltonblewit@reddit

Tbf, Iran hasn’t officially stated the ceasefire is null but they’re threatening to start attacking again. In spite of the fact that Iran and Hezbollah fired missiles all over the Middle East right after the ceasefire is supposed to be be enforced, so nobody really has any idea what to do it looks like

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BigDicEnergy@reddit

One would expect fire to wind down from both sides (with final preplanned strikes on strategic sites) over the course of 24 hours but Israel just spergs out and blasts Beirut for no other reason than pure terrorism.

I seriously doubt that the US would allow Israel to take the full punishment of Iran and co. without rushing to their aid but we'll see

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loggy_sci@reddit

Iran delivered their terms via mediators. Trump said “this is workable” and then announced a ceasefire. Nobody agreed to the final terms and the U.S./Israel aren’t aligned, clearly.

“In serious doubt” is completely appropriate here, you’re just wanting to gripe about “western journalism” as if that is an actual thing. It’s not. The “west” encompasses nearly a billion people and thousands of news organizations that all report on things differently.

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brassmonkey666@reddit

So none of the terms of the ceasefire could be understood as mutually agreed upon? What’s the point of the statement by the Pakistani mediators?

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TheUnicornRevolution@reddit

It's 100% a thing and most of us know what it means, regardless of the inexactitude of the terminology.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Hezbollah and Iran stopped firing before 03:30 GMT. Iran was attacked hours later and then Israel attacked late that day when children were tucked up in bed asleep…

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Jelly_bean_420@reddit

Essentially this is it. Iran was clear on ceasefire terms. Israel is led by a genocidal maniac who wants war at all costs. He started it, he's refusing to end it. Why is reporting on this so difficult?

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Stufilover69@reddit

Because it'd be anti-Semitic

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loggy_sci@reddit

Antisemites up in this thread trying to make everything about Judaism.

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borat_is_good_movie@reddit

Why would it be anti Semitic, israelis are mostly goyim culturally and by blood so I don't see how this has anything to do with the Semitic peoples

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loggy_sci@reddit

Reporting is unclear because the terms of the ceasefire are unclear. It has nothing to do with journalists being afraid of called antisemitic. It has nothing to do with “western journalism”.

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Show_Me_Your_Rocket@reddit

It's got a lot to do with western journalism, it's called propaganda and they teach high school students in most countries how to identify it.

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loggy_sci@reddit

You did not read the article. The two sides disagree on what was agreed upon and, as a result, the ceasefire, such as it is, is possibly unraveling.

The scale of Israel’s attacks on Wednesday were condemned as “horrific” by UN rights chief Volker Turk.

“Such carnage, within hours of agreeing to a ceasefire with Iran, defies belief. It places enormous pressure on a fragile peace, which is so desperately needed by civilians,” he said.

In a sharply worded statement, Iran’s parliament speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf said Israel and the US had violated several clauses of the provisional ceasefire, and decried Israel’s aggressive bombing of Lebanon and a US demand that Iran should have no right to enrich its own uranium.

“In such [a] situation, a bilateral ceasefire or negotiations is unreasonable,” the statement read.

While the statement did not announce Iran’s rejection of the ceasefire, it nonetheless indicated that tensions were strained less than 24 hours after Trump had announced that a ceasefire agreement had been reached.

Iran’s Fars news agency said oil tankers passing through the strait of Hormuz had been stopped as a result of Israel’s “ceasefire breach”.

This is literally just reporting, unless your definition of propaganda is news that just screams about Zionists like your social media feed.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

It’s not just reporting, it’s stenography for the Israeli government and military:

…as Israel bombed more than 100 Hezbollah military sites across Lebanon.

They were declared Hezbollah military sites by Israel with no proof provided. The guardian just blindly repeated the Israeli government’s talking point.

The residents of these buildings - those who survived - said that there was no Hezbollah presence there. The Guardian didn’t feel that was an appropriate detail to add.

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DerCatrix@reddit

Because Israel uses that line anytime someone criticizes them. Same as when Christian nationalists defend everything by yelling you hate Jesus because we shouldn’t kill brown people.

Fascism attaches itself to the dominant religion and uses it as a shield against criticism.

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Corben11@reddit

Cause media has decided to sane wash everything to keep stocks up and the current power in.

They act like they cant report on anything truthfully while the president can say hes gonna wipe out a whole civilization.

They had to have been told keep everything in a good light.

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TearOpenTheVault@reddit

Breaking news: Trump can't negotiate worth shit, and a ceasefire only works when every side is actually interested in finishing fighting. Israel hasn't achieved their objectives, Iran is claiming an entirely different sect of postwar conditions than the US is, and hurried negotiatons with both sides talking past each other do not equal any kind of success.

In other news, the Pope: Actually Catholic? Bear shits in wood.

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margotsaidso@reddit

At this point, I suspect the entire intent was just to calm oil markets for a minute and get out of Trump's foolish ultimatum. It may also have been another chance to use negotiations as a cover to sneal attack Iran. It sounds like no one agreed to anything, but the Pakistani mediators seem to have told both side otherwise. Was that their own initiative or from the White House, who knows...

Any way since the strait is closed again, I suppose oil will spike eventually. Fake ceasefire talk will only go so far now that oil shipments are missing in Asia.

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Mikeynphoto2009@reddit

You're probably right that calming oil markets was part of it. But the mechanism is documented. Two incompatible statements were published within hours. Trump said unconditional reopening. Araghchi said military-supervised passage with "technical limitations" Iran defines. Pakistan apparently told both sides what they wanted to hear. The less-than-a-day shelf life tells you what the 14-day deal was always going to be.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

If it’s between believing a guy I’d never heard of a few days ago and believing Trump, I would believe the guy I don’t know anything about.

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EternalAngst23@reddit

Not to mention Iran’s claim that the Americans were going to allow them to continue enriching uranium, only for Trump to claim that Iran had agreed to end their enrichment program and have their existing HEU stockpile confiscated (as if that was ever going to happen). This “deal” was cooked from the get-go.

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Trollimperator@reddit

If one would read upon that "ceasefire" then Iran claims it can now toll the strait, while the US says the "ceasefire" would open the strait. Iran says its now allowed to enrich Uranium without sanctions, Trump says they will not be allowed. It contradicts itself.

For me, i read this as: Trump ordered the US to cease firing for 2weeks.
Trump likely did this because internal pressure, not because of any negotiations. The people tasked with negotiating are Witkoff and Vance, both of which just rally for Putin supporters in Hungary rather than performing any kind of Iran negotiations. This conflict isnt over, Trumps presidency might be(should be, if the USA political system has a shred of integrity left). Its just absurd, that neighter Senate nor Congress of this "democracy" had anything to say about starting the war, performing the war, threatening warcrimes and now forming a ceasefire. This "no Kings" land is ruled like an absolute dictatorship.

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_Antitese@reddit

Well... it looks like that, if the US really wants to open the strait, the only way to do so is by attacking Israel and "degrading" it's missile launching capablities, so it is incapable of attacking it's neighborhood right?

Who would have tought?

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cdnhistorystudent@reddit (OP)

Since the ceasefire was announced, there have been attacks in Lebanon, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, and Kuwait, and the Strait is reportedly closed again. Greatest ceasefire ever, great job Trump.

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Red1220@reddit

As is always the case with the diddler in chief. Expertiest expert negotiator ever

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alwaysiamdead@reddit

The same respect for a ceasefire that Israel showed in Gaza.

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Advanced-Net-8119@reddit

trumps a jackass

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