Ryzen 9 AI vs. Apple M5
Posted by PyWhile@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 23 comments
Heya,
Considering a new laptop and I debate between the two:
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MacBook Pro M5/32/1TB
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Lenovo P14s Ryzen 9 AI (HX 370)/64/1TB
Consider I will:
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Use it for development (full stack + containers)
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Will run local AI models (mostly small)
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Some gaming (mostly old ones..)
Which one would you go with and why? Consider I will use Linux for the Lenovo and not windows by any means.
Thanks!
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Various-Inside-4064@reddit
To be fair since you are considering base m5 chip, amd might be faster here in multicore and you are getting more ram too. But macbook will be better overall package. at the end it come down to personal preference.
PyWhile@reddit (OP)
Based on what I saw online, the M3 pro is like M5 (+-), I work with the M3 pro today (work mac) and it's more than enough for me.
BananaCreamSplat@reddit
I currently use the previous gen p14s with the Ryzen 7 8840hs. It's a decent laptop with above average gaming performance. Performance aside, the weak point has actually been the graphics drivers. In my anecdotal experience there have been some pretty serious bugs with a few AMD driver releases. One example was the laptop consistently crashing when waking from sleep, which didn't get fixed for about 6 months. You can find other thinkpad owners discussing similar issues elsewhere online.
Overall, if you need something stable for serious work I would not recommend the AMD powered thinkpads; macos is much, much more stable.
PyWhile@reddit (OP)
good to know, I didn't knew that drivers are a problem there.
xDontStarve@reddit
Depends whether you like macos more or linux
PyWhile@reddit (OP)
both are fine, I just hate windows
zsaleeba@reddit
I'm using a macbook pro M5 pro and it's blown me away with how fast it is, so much so that I've pretty much abandoned my big AMD desktop and only use it for games now. I'm doing all my dev on the M5 pro now.
PyWhile@reddit (OP)
The M5 Pro is amazing, but I can't afford it. hence I'm asking in general for the M5/32GB/1TB
krystof24@reddit
Personally M4 generation made me switch over as a life long windows user. With that said, for gaming Apple is really not the best. For development I'd say it's OK but depends on what you do. In my previous company I needed a 48 GB minimum because the containers alone took some 30. For general web development (if that's what you mean by full stack it's ok IMO.
kyleleblanc@reddit
I’d personally choose the M5 MacBook Pro.
Nobody beats Apple at performance per watt.
PyWhile@reddit (OP)
my only concern is amount of containers I can run and compile code on it.
Dub-DS@reddit
doesn't matter
Mac with 512GB RAM if you want large models, AMD with a dedicated GPU if you want small models
AMD, especially for old games, obviously.
PyWhile@reddit (OP)
Mac with 512GB RAM? :)
Asleep-Card3861@reddit
can’t even buy those at the moment, at least not direct from Apple. they removed the 512gb option a few weeks ago.
Henrarzz@reddit
Mac Studio with M3 had that option but good luck buying that now.
And that’s not the budget you have nor what you asked for so I don’t know why they decided to even mention it.
Stooovie@reddit
Currency ships in August :))
PyWhile@reddit (OP)
Right ;)
Dub-DS@reddit
I know that's not what you listed above, but that's largely a requirement for large large language models. Between the two, both would do equally well for smaller models.
Kalmer1@reddit
"What would be a better option, the VW Golf or the BMW 3?"
"Uhhhh idk, buy a Porsche 911 GT3RS"
PyWhile@reddit (OP)
lol
CrazyKick1874@reddit
I have a hx 370 it's works great for games and I was able to run the gemma-4B model no problem. haven't tried any bigger llms tho
4runninglife@reddit
Well I'm currently running the ryzen 9 AI 395+ with 96Gb ram and it runs Local LLMs beautifully. I'm not sure of the 370 but the 395+ you can allocate around 75 percent of the ram to the GPU and from research as long as you have a decent GPU get as much vram the has possible, helps with running the model in memory and bigger context windows.