We are doomed | TheaterFire

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Fearless-Temporary29@reddit

When a situation is hopeless. What is there to worry about. - Edward Abbey.

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Sweaty_Star_6486@reddit

Read “the last messiah: by Peter wessel zappfe a 90 year old essay. We are awful animals and the earth will celebrate when the human race goes extinct

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I don't really know what to say apart from that your letter resonates with me. I'm a recently graduated geology major, can't really stomach the thought of going into mining, and environmental consulting will be similarly depressing as your job.

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Icy_Geologist2959@reddit

Have you read any of the work by Simon Michaux? The world is in a depressing state irrespective of what we do. Perhaps there may be some ideas in Simon's work that could help you orient yourself given your major.

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Tetraphosphate_@reddit

Thanks for the suggestion, I will take a look.

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Ok-Alarm3961@reddit (OP)

That’s a tough spot. But being a geo major you have a lot of power to do things right. Don’t be afraid to speak up and stick to the facts

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KevHes1245@reddit

Why don't you do something else yourself instead of feeding the machine?

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theladyshady@reddit

We are all the machine. He’s just on the forefront of consumption and is witness to it.

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Moonboots606@reddit

Precisely. We are cooked.

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Tetraphosphate_@reddit

Thanks for your encouragement :)

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INFINIFATLAW@reddit

Be the change. There are ethical companies who mine safely, in non conflict regions, and actively reforest and rehabilitate as part of their mandate. Find them and advise them.

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bigdopaminedeficient@reddit

i graduated with a bs in geography and a cert in sustainability just over a year ago now. currently working retail and my dad keeps trying to push me to get into the oil industry. absolutely not.

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salatkopf@reddit

I know some geologist that work for big fossil fuel companies: they also know that times are numbered, and are actually investing a lot into good research, with big teams working on sustainability.

I would rather have people in this position who care, even if the companies themselves are a big part of the problem. If it ends up being terrible and soul destroying, it's valueable experience and insight to bring to environmental consulting. Just don't get caught up in the money - they love bending morals with income and pretty insane benefits.

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BellaRyder2505@reddit

Yeah I don't plan on being here for long. I don't see a good or hopeful or safe future for me. I am just gonna try and enjoy my life and be happy and do the things I wanna do until if/when the collapse and the suffering comes to me and affects me. I am not going to and will never ever suffer or go through anything I don't wanna go through. Life is not worth that. This life is so short and humans have made it hell on earth. I hate being a human so much and I hate the evil and suffering that humans have caused that never needed to happen.

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Hoodbarmaid@reddit

To say you hate humans is to say you hate yourself. I don't hate them, I do feel genuinely sad for people, especially knowing that noone starts out a degenerate, the truth is we are studied and experimented with and there are those that know us way better than we know ourselves and it is possible if not probable that no one is free to chose and everything is controlled. Honestly this is a dark world but we all have light, just look at babies. If we can cultivate that energy in ourselves it may make a difference, really what have we got to lose

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BellaRyder2505@reddit

That's an absolute joke that you said babies have light. 😂 Babies are just babies. Nothing more and nothing less. Would you that about when Hitler or a rapist or a murderer or an abuser or an evil CEO was a baby that they had light?? Or any multitude of other evil and horrific things? 🤣 😂 And what do you mean studied and experimented on?? We just live and die. 😂 And yes I hate being a human. I hate being the a part of the worst species on the planet. 😂 Oh the delusion.

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DiscountExtra2376@reddit

A few years ago there was a railroad derailment in the Midwest (I think). It killed a bunch of fish and was clearly in the municipal water supply. I remember seeing the comments on FB or Instagram "why is no one talking about this?" "Where are the environmentalists to seek justice?"

As a life long environmentalist, that was the first time I was sitting there thinking F*** all of you people." Do you know how many hours I've volunteered to clean up stream banks that the local community used as a garbage disposal, how many hours I've put into replanting burn scars?

You get mad when we don't want a forest to get cut down, you get mad when we want to protect a species's critical habitat/corridor, you bitch and whine when we don't want a pipeline running through native land, but you want us to clean up the messes from activities you advocate for over and over.

I am just done. Enjoy the rough time that's ahead

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average_astronomer@reddit

Hey I know this is kinda beyond the point of the post but if you don’t mind me asking, what did you study in university and how did you find yourself in this career? I’m studying urban and regional planning in a big, rapidly growing city and the ethics of rapid development concerns me - do you have any tips on handling that situation?

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uglyugly1@reddit

I feel this in my bones.

We live in an old farm community. The farmers are aging/have aged out, and nobody is replacing them. It's impossible to make a living by farming unless you have a separate career (the equivalent of two full time jobs).

My elderly neighbor has been farming his 100 acre field (as well as leasing other fields in the area) since the 1970s. A few years ago, he told me that the fertilizers and weed control methods he'd been using for decades had lost efficacy, and he didn't know what younger people were going to do. The soil is going barren. He's 'retired' now, still farming because it's what he does, and doesn't need the money. Which is good, since he really struggles just to break even, despite using his older machinery (long since paid for) and having a lifetime of experience.

The last time he had a health scare, his relatives swooped in and prepared to dump his 100 acre field and property within weeks. The several hundred acre field across the road from him has already been sold to developers. They'll buy my neighbor's property, too.

I have a couple of old tractors from the 1940s and 50s. Every time I run one of them, I'm reminded of the fact that just two generations ago, a significant number of Americans worked in agriculture (ten percent of us worked six million farms in 1950), and that number has fallen to almost nothing today. Old tractors are so ubiquitous around here because everyone farmed back then. But we've literally outsourced our food production, and nobody even seems to notice.

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daimyo505@reddit

Your letter reminds me of the Native American Chief some 200 years ago who similarly said: When all the trees are cut and the rivers dry will people realize they can't eat money.

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Hoodbarmaid@reddit

Look up the prophecy about the night of the bleeding sky.

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codekat@reddit

And aurora wrote a song to the same effect too, called "The Seed"

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Fiendsquatch@reddit

Aurora is a gem! Found Awakening in 2014 and knew she would go places. So happy for her success💜

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R3StoR@reddit

Maybe Dead Can Dance (band) took inspiration from this....

One of the most hauntingly beautiful and tragic songs I know......

Severance, the birds of leaving call to us Yet here we stand endowed with the fear of flight

Overland. The winds of change consume the land While we remain in the shadow of summers now past

When all the leaves have fallen and turned to dust Will we remain entrenched within our ways?

Indifference - the plague that moves throughout this land Omen signs in the shapes of things to come

Tomorrow's child is the only child

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cliffhngr42@reddit

I think that was Chief Seattle that said that. He also referred to dollars as "green frog skins".

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Direption@reddit

Only 6 years ago I would drive out to a staging area/saddle in the woods with trees all around, now on the way out it's neighborhoods full of 3 different but almost identical styles of house neatly packed in right next to each other. Trails I could take my dog on and camp up for a night or two are covered by dust from WATVs. More and more lakeside or mountainside land is being bladed for neat McMansion drives named after the trees they cut down. More and more trash ends up on my property. It's hard to keep up.

Sucks man and I don't think the kind of rest I need to bounce back is all that achievable for me.

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Ok-Alarm3961@reddit (OP)

I think it’s achievable. It’s going to take work but backing biologists for wetland and forest mitigation is the key. Go to your public hearings for developments and express concern for the outdoors

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Electronic_Charge_96@reddit

You’re delusional;take that hopium and snuggle it next to your greed. Scientist here. Been presenting beautiful, clear facts at public meetings for almost 26 years. We’re not listening to science. In fact it’s fallen out of favor. We’ve wiped out almost 94% or animals across N, Central, and South America in less than 50 years. Daughter and I saw Hail Mary. At end, she said “we are the astrophages.” We sat quietly. Soberly. Shes not wrong. It’s not a goddamn knowledge problem.

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Hoodbarmaid@reddit

And what is the nuclear waste spilling into the Pacific from Fukushima doing to it? Or the nuclear waste they have buried in the Yucca mountains or seafloor that will no longer be contained in roughly 250 years but will remain toxic for the next 3000 or so? Face it we are the creators of our own demise, what's another forest going away really going to matter, right?

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Ok-Alarm3961@reddit (OP)

We’re not at the end. It’s a wake up call. But we can get right

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kdawg09@reddit

It's a wake up call. But we can get right

They told us this at the assemblies in elementary school. I graduated high school almost 20 years ago. The wake up call came and went and our politicians covered it with pillows so nobody could hear it. Can't have pesky things like death of a planet getting in the way of our development projects after all.

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Away-Heron8167@reddit

We’re in the biggest reset on Earth right now getting a second chance to get it right. Wake up and be an asset for the collective/oneness or we don’t make it!

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AbbeyRoadMomma@reddit

How are we getting a second chance? We threw that chance away, and now the biosphere is a runaway train getting hotter and hotter. I’m genuinely interested in what second chance you are referring to, as I don’t understand how there is any chance at all at this point.

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TerryTerranceTerrace@reddit

It was over the instant we prioritize money as the highest value. I dont care that capitalism brought a lot people out of poverty or its the "best system we have created". It is the problem. The consequences of it is destroying our biological livibility on this planet.

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Perfect_Caregiver_90@reddit

We reached that point in the 1970's when those in decision making roles decided to go out in a blaze of greed and feel good, do nothing moves to stay ahead of the public finding out until it was too late.

The usual kick the can nonsense that led to what we see now. The last generations at the table are stuck with the tab of the Industrial and Petrochemical Revolutions. We decided to add disposable technology through use of rare earth minerals to the bill, as a treat, instead of closing the tab.

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bipolarearthovershot@reddit

IT IS OVER. QUIT YOUR JOB NOW and stop destroying nature

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javelynn@reddit

Humans are never going to do the right thing.

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Mispict@reddit

Mate. It's fucked. The wake up call was ignored years ago.

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salatkopf@reddit

Thank you for your efforts, I am sorry that you aren't being heard. Have you really found there to be no impact of your work? If so, how do you manage to keep going? I am asking this genuinely, as I did think that attending public hearings and being loud can have local impact.

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PhoenixRisingdBanana@reddit

Are other folks finding their work impactful? Every job I've ever worked, all I've felt is taken advantage of, and acute awareness of making someone else richer.

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salatkopf@reddit

I don't think most or many are, but I think a scientist who spends over 20 years going to public hearings to present the public with evidence probably wants to have an impact.

Personally, I had the privilege and luck to get into a field that I can have an impact in. Most people don't really get that kind of choice (which sucks)

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Perfect_Caregiver_90@reddit

I also worked in land development. I just want to confirm what this poster is saying about the pointlessness of public hearings.

The decisions are made by city council/county boards long before those public hearings happen. Those hearings are meant for NIMBY's to vent it out of their system so they can feel like they did something rather than see the pointlessness of their protest and turn to newsmaking crap like chaining themselves to trees or blowing up expensive construction equipment or (a personal experience) paying the cartel to drop dead bodies on the property to turn it into a federal crime scene.

Cities and counties need these developments. Seriously need them. Everyone wants lower property taxes and big tax breaks to attract industry but y'all still want working sewer systems and pothole repair. That money comes from those land developments.

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25TiMp@reddit

We are screwed totally and completely.

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Primrus@reddit

I love you and I hope you have something sweet/happy/joyful in your life today. Someone or something to cuddle. I'm here with you <3

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OstensibleFirkin@reddit

I think we need some more mass produced pick your brand housing developments on every picturesque overlook to really finish off the hellscape. The earth according to billionaires was clearly meant to be tamed as our bitch in the never ending, narcissistic struggle for power and immortality.

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prpleringer@reddit

Recovering landscape architect here, current developer. Same role.

I thought LA was saving the planet, but it was planning communities in raw land and planting things that didn’t belong and on a low replacement basis.

While I have one project that is ecologically sensitive, I have the ability to plan a better world. Low density, relocate trees, spec large canopy material, no sod, raised buildings, no or very little pavement.

Infill can be better too. Encourage those to live closer and car free. Reinvigorate streetscape. Rooftop and vertical gardens. Planters everywhere.

Learning that smaller scale can have bigger impact. Once the corporate finance gets involved, then we are toast.

… but yes, as a general thought… Fck’d.

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Vegetaman916@reddit

Part of the problem is social "progress." Although progress should only be called that if it makes things better.

But the progress I am talking about is the insistence that everyone needs all this stuff.

You don't need a new home or a new neighborhood. You grew up in a neighborhood, and you should still be in that neighborhood, living with a dozen other relatives in the same multigenerational home.

You don't need a new car. People can, and are, driving cars from the 70s that are doing just fine, and if you didn't insist on working on the complete other side of the city from where you live, you would barely have to drive that car at all.

How far do you think the average person went from their home back in the 1500s?

You don't need anyone to build more shit, or strip more land, or lay more foundations for you. There are enough already. If you are a married couple living in a 4 bedroom house, then you are part of the problem.

Teenagers these days think they need a thousand dollar phone, but when I remember being a teen I didn't know what a thousand dollars looked like, and I was just fine. Hundred dollar shoes? Ten dollar coffee? Bitch, please.

The problem, among a ton of other problems, is that people think they need all this stuff, but they don't. Its a societal construct. It is a function of the system, engineered into out society, to make us "need" this stuff just to feed the infinite growth our civilization depends on to continue existing.

That's why everything is getting so hard now. Why you have to pay for parking and need a monthly subscription to use the unnecessarily heated seats in your almost obsolete car. People aren't struggling to live, they are struggling to support economic growth while calling it living.

You can live just fine in a cabin in the country with a small collection of animals, a little plot of a garden, and the rest of your extended family to cover labor. But you don't want that. You don't want to "live," you want to struggle and slave and fight and die over road rage on your way to the job that is killing your soul just to pay for the Netflix that is rotting your brain.

So, it isn't just that the corporations are churning up the land and paving over the wilderness, it is that you are demanding it of them with your wallet.

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Mr-Felix-Dzerzhinsky@reddit

We will extinct ourselves. No doubt about that.

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adamsoutofideas@reddit

And think of how many of you there are that make their money this way... or even better, who do you know that makes their money differently?

The amount you get paid is proportionate to how much fuel is consumed and earth is cleared or changed to get that job done.

Billions of us do jobs like you with the power to strip the entire living fabric deposited since ice covered everything. Youre doing it literally as is everyone who pilots one of the machines that actually to the job.

Then you have to imagine... what are your kids going to clear? Where will they make their money? You can't keep making money by stripping life off the planet. There isn't that much to strip.

It's everything we do, and it's all we do, and we imagine a world that never ends where we can just erase life to make money by burning fuel so more fuel can be burned to build on it.

It only took a couple generations for this way of life to create a mass extinction we're dealing with by ignoring. Somehow we find the hubris to keep going without a plan for the next generation that will be given the keys to a machine that doesn't work at the bottom of the pit we dug. We even brought kids into the world thinking "well, who's going to fix it if we don't?" like our kids destiny should be to clean up our mess on a planet with infinitely more problems than the one we were given and fixed none of. If we can't fix this now, how and why would our kids fix it?

Keep on shaving life off the planet. At least what you're doing is honestly destructive. But I hope you appreciate the cost of the silence of the life that's gone after you're done. We don't have to clean our windshields anymore because there aren't the wetlands or forests to support the insects that are now wiped out. And then appreciate how messed up it is that your coworkers see wetlands and forest as messy, and the dead and silent glacial till as the foundation of something great, rather than the end of what makes this planet function.

It's a blindness that keeps this going. Sooner or later you'll find it very hard to do your job, even if someone else will do it. That excuse stops working over time. They're your hands and with them, this is what you do. It gets worse, is all I'm saying. Big hug buddy

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TheSpeculator22@reddit

I was thinking this morning that even when AI gets out of control - soil will be safe. But someone will invent a micro drone that is supposed to improve irrigation in soil or something and then they will angle it over to a subscription model or just wreck the soil completely.

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Cultural-Answer-321@reddit

Nothing is safe on this planet right now.

Nothing. Nowhere.

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deadicated_electric@reddit

Confessions.of an economic hitman By Perkins

You've been a useful cog in the corporate dictatorship's burn-humans-as-fuel-machine.

See #movie #Elysium for the hopeless endgame

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Cultural-Answer-321@reddit

Excellent reference.

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cannotberushed-@reddit

We need the doughnut economy

One where growth is not the sole freaking focus. Sigh.

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Ok-Alarm3961@reddit (OP)

lol I have never had a cited rage bait article. Or you are the dumbest human being I’ve seen on Reddit.

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Key_Pace_2496@reddit

Whines and complains about the current system.

Someone suggests an alternative system and you call them the dumbest human being on reddit.

Yeah, we're screwed as a species, but it's due to people like you...

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cannotberushed-@reddit

The doughnut economy is real. It’s based around taking care of people as humans and caring about our planet.

There is an entire book on the topic too

I don’t appreciate you calling me dumb.

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BattleGrown@reddit

I'm not the OP, but there have been numerous "economic models" which has come and gone. For example when I was young I was a big fan of the Venus Project and the underlying "Resource Based Economy" where money doesn't exist. But now I am wise enough to know that there will be no transition away from the capitalist economy. The society is too addicted. There can only be collapse, and what comes after (if there will be an after).

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thefiction24@reddit

The solutions offered in Regenesis: Feeding the World Without Devouring the Planet were fascinating and seemed to make sense to my definitely not biologist brain, but I don’t think we will get to a place to implement any of them.

Alas, “—the monster has to have profits all the time. It can’t wait. It’ll die. No, taxes go on. When the monster stops growing, it dies. It can’t stay one size.” Grapes of Wrath, 1939.

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dcr200@reddit

Despair is typical of those who do not understand the causes of evil, see no way out, and are incapable of struggle.

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stephenclarkg@reddit

So use your job to tell them it's not feasible, we got here by billions of people just going with the flow.

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Severe_Eggplant_7747@reddit

Then they get rid of you and find someone to tell them it is feasible.

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stephenclarkg@reddit

You can get away with it a few times before that

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NeverEndingCoralMaze@reddit

We don’t need ai. We don’t need faster and better processors. We need to slow down.

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Specialist_Ant116@reddit

If you slow down, the system will collapse under its own weight. It's designed to accumulate debt. I can go on and on about how they created a system in which all parts of a war ( example Afghanistan) are in fact financial partners. They created some type of monopoly, even though it's not the same entity, it's like a monstrosity built with lego piece. It involves the banks, entire countries, corporations like Blackrock, then Vanguard owns 9+% of Blackrock. Qatar, USA, UK and other big countries in Europe are in the same dirty game.

It's like they are professional wrestlers until you take a look at the data and realize it's all just a big hoax. I might sound like a lunatic, but take the same example from before: The Afghanistan war > Qatar hosts terrorists like The Taliban, HAMAS leaders, sponsors Al Qaeda and others financially directly and indirectly. USA has bases in Qatar and strong relationships. Then they carry a 20 year war in Afghanistan, in which they brought european countries also, Qatar owns a large portion of Deutschbank, major infrastructures in Germany, UK, France, Italy. And they knew they are supporting terrorist groups, but 20 trillions later, after 20 years of war in Afghanistan, they packed and left.

They committed documented war crimes and arrested all the whistle-blowers, the guy from WiliLeaks included. Who made stupid money? Blackrock. Blackrock has huge shares in the top 5 guns fabricators, massive political influence, The FED are using their technology (Alladin), our economy runs on their fkng tools.

Do you see how tight connected they are? The hypocrisy? The no goal other than getting filthy rich at the misfortune of others? Apply that on a pretty much global scale now, that will make you wanna hang yourself from the ceiling because there's no happy end to this, they created a monster, and if you somehow cut the head off incorrectly you will instantly collapse the entire globe.

We are living in the second Gilded Age, but they made their system impenetrable without major consequences globally.

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Key_Pace_2496@reddit

Let it collapse then.

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Specialist_Ant116@reddit

It won't collapse on its own unless the debt reaches unsustainable levels. But even then, the ones that will suffer are still US, NOT THEM. And idk if that will be the end of the vultures regardless, we need a revolutionN but how? Everybody is fighting POINTLESS battles like Left vs Right, Islam vs Christianity, etc.

Look, man, idk the rules of this reddit channel, so I'm not going into details about what I d do to these people if I could.

I'm genuinely scared, next month I will turn 26 and I don't wanna have kids because I'm too scared of the future. How messed up is that? 🤦🏻‍♂️ I'm an atheist, my only belief and goal was humanity's future, but the human race is a fkng mess. We've been around for 7000 god damn years as civilizations and we didn't change one bit, man, we are still killing eachother like chimps, but instead of biting, we specialized destruction in so many sophisticated ways. Imagine putting that fkng dedication and resources into other fields. I wanna cry sometimes, because I dig and read, and read some more, and now with AI you can put all that info into a big picture and it's really bad, man, I feel really lost at this point.

I guess this is just me venting because I look around and I feel like an alien sometimes, everybody is either too tired or busy to give a fk, or too scared or ignorant to even wrap their heads around this mess.

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SiletziaCascadia@reddit

I wish I knew more people like you- feels the weight and can comprehensively verbalize it.
I find I often just need to talk about it, all of it, including ways to fight back. I’ve discussed the topic, this- our self-imposed sentence, with AI.
I told it we lubricate our guillotines with blood.
AI responds with ways I can fight back that doesn’t involve violence. I told it those days are long gone.
I’m into music. I play guitar like a teenage Kurt Cobain, but I’m middle age. I felt very overwhelmed about the future some years ago, post 2016 into early Covid, and resolved to learn Imagine/JLennon on piano. Like, my one small gift to the cause. One more person creating good vibrations that emanate into the atmosphere. Started on a cheap keyboard, upgraded to a used Yamaha P255. To this day, when I sit down to play, I always run thru Imagine a couple times to keep improving my playing of it, as well as other things I’ve made up or learned to play. But I never forget how important it is to me to keep playing Imagine, because I feel it helps somehow. It helps me cope. I think a lot about how AI could help humanity unfuck itself, and quickly at that, if we resolved to.
But I think I know we cannot save ourselves collectively. Problems are too big and too many of us are small-brained, short-sighted. People will never stop jockeying for position, step on each other to get a little more. But I still dream of a loving world, but also an organized and structured world where humanity works hard when necessary for not just humanity, but all living things, stewards of Earth. Limit populations over time to sustainable levels. No religion, no borders. Just the facts, ma’am. I haven’t settled on how we would regulate negative individual human behavior, but quality of life and treating ethics as rules to live by to live your best life fits in there somewhere. We could train AI to help us manage it all, set goals, everything. It would require a near total buy-in.
Sometimes a dream is just a dream.

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Reasonable_Swan9983@reddit

I often trouble myself with "if I can't think exactly how a just world would be, then it's not possible." Then I have to remind myself that it would be a whole civilization effort to figure it out.

Like you said, no organised religion, countries and other form of divisions, and caring for all living beings is as basic as it gets.

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CiencBio2000@reddit

I agree with everything you said, except that I’m not an atheist, I’m agnostic, and I’m considering returning to the Christian faith… because there are days when I no longer know how to keep going. I don’t know what the purpose of life is, especially if there’s no future. I’m in my 20s too, and it’s stressful, because there are many goals I’m still supposed to achieve, that’s what everyone expects of me at my age, but it’s hard to always find the energy for that while being collapse-aware. You’re not alone in this.

I just hope God exists and that we die as martyrs, something like the Book of Revelation unfolding. If that really is the case, these are frightening times, but also the defining event in human history.

On Easter, I reflected on the crucifixion of Jesus and connected it to collapse. We who are collapse-aware are at the foot of the cross, witnessing the end of the world. But maybe there is hope in the end, some kind of resurrection, a New Earth, whether literal or not. That’s my only hope.

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claudedusk8@reddit

But, do you believe AI will survive us? And little doubt.

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Siglet84@reddit

I’m somewhat in the same boat but on the energy side. The only way we will endure as a civilization is a sever reduction in human population. When you look at energy production and consumption, no matter which way you produce it, significant heat is created. Every step of the process creates some form of heat. The earth has been stable because it absorbs and rejects the exact same amount of heat. Top that off with all the added buildings and hard surfaces, and it becomes even worse.

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extinction6@reddit

Don't feel too bad. The person that America voted into office claims that climate change is a hoax and is doing everything in his power to get rid of green energy and to burn more fossil fuels which will accelerate the loss of life on this Earth and he doesn't get much push back.

The apes have collectively decided to go all in on self immolation and that is OK apparently. Nothing you do will make any difference in the outcome that climate change denial has brought us to.

The good news is that if you want to feel absolutely as fantastic as possible given the situation you can easily help prevent needless human suffering by helping your intelligent friends understand why they shouldn't have children based on peer-reviewed climate science. How would preventing future humans from a life of hell make you feel? A child born this year would on average live until 2106 and will probably not want to be alive by 2050.

This next El-nino is going to be so hot and ugly...................................

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ItyBityGreenieWeenie@reddit

They paved paradise to put up a parking lot. -Joni Mitchell

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BellaRyder2505@reddit

The only comfort and peace I have is that I have the option of opting out any time I want and that none of this lasts forever.

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CiencBio2000@reddit

Yes, I agree, but I worry about my family and friends. I have a niece who is only 6 years old. And I used to think my parents would die before experiencing the collapse, but now I see that maybe even they will witness the end of the world, and that breaks my heart. I'm already psychologically/intellectually prepared, but most people don’t have the preparation that I do. Sorry, I’m just venting. I don’t know who to talk to about this. But I hope you find peace too.

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BellaRyder2505@reddit

I think the important thing now is to stay and be in the present and be in the now. No one truly knows what's going to happen. We can predict this or that but ultimately no one knows. That's why I try and not to think about the future but the present and what's reality now and what's happening now.

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RPOR6V@reddit

Earth first! We can strip mine the other planets later.

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BellaRyder2505@reddit

Do you guys think any amount of good will actually make a difference in the midst of this hell and chaos?

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jlsdarwin@reddit

I wish there was more pressure to use land we have already developed. Unfortunately it's easier to clear virgin land than to remediate the sites we have already fucked up.

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OldTimberWolf@reddit

You should totally pick up some window berry. This is his go-to message: how we treat the land and it’s resulting condition is the number 1 indicator of how we are doing as a civilization.

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manymasters@reddit

if you are closer to the problem, you are closer to disrupting it

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cool_waterz@reddit

The one thing that most will miss; what foreshadows everything that happens from now on, and what truly matters is this:

he chuckled

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cosmic_kos@reddit

A bit nitpicky but there is no "AI" and AI is a marketing term. I think we are very far from actual artificial intelligence and we won't get there before civilizational collapse destroys any technological foundation for the development of actual AI. At the end of the day "AI) is just a way to drive the standard economic boom bust cycle.

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InvisibleAstronomer@reddit

Have you seen Hoppers

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welcomefinside@reddit

You don't need to be a biologist or environmentalist to have come to this realization. It's sad and heartbreaking and just like every other modern issue I feel powerless to do anything about it because in many ways we're complicit because we too benefit from all of it.

Often I fantasize about selling up my suburban home and moving to some large rural acreage and spending my days rehabilitating what little plot I can afford and living off that land, but I have a family that I need to provide for and such a lifestyle is simply incompatible with setting up my child for the best economic outlook for her future.

It just sucks because I realize I'm part of this big machine that's killing the last vestiges of mother nature and I'm simply unable or unwilling to do anything substantial about it.

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old-legs-623@reddit

Re-careering can be tough, but is alright to choose "right livelihood." There is a chapter in E.F. Schumacher's book from awhile back (Small is Beautiful) called "Buddhist Economics" (he was Catholic, fwiw) in which he described his ideal economist as serving the well-being of all rather than that of an elite. I'd say seek a livelihood over "having a job."

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polymathicfun@reddit

Soil is renewable... A little bit of effort can regenerate soil...

But the climate... The amount of co2 in the air... The giant oven we are making... That'll probably be the one that will wipe us, along with easily 80% of other species...

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EmFan1999@reddit

Work from the inside and refuse as many projects as you can, delay them, find many potential issues

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Ok_Mortgage_6701@reddit

All of the nature you rip out deserves to be alive just as much, if not more, than stupid humans and their bullshit.

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Same_Bug5069@reddit

I work as an owner's rep on the construction side and see the same.

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antipod@reddit

I too have development fatigue. I hate to see the insane urban sprawl happening in my city. Where does it all lead?

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TopShelfDillPickle@reddit

My parents talked about this all the time and one was a high school drop out and the other was a gardener at a school.

Crazy how so many educated people don’t stop to think about what the earth even is before they decide to help completely obliterate it.

We’re cooked.

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wakeupwill@reddit

A half-brick-inna-sock is a great tool for situations like this.

Some percussive maintenance administered to whomever is in charge and soon enough there won't be any more ~~developers~~ robber barons left.

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