Instrument Recheck
Posted by Ok_Relationship_335@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 31 comments
Long story short, I busted an instrument checkride last week, and I’m trying to get a retest. The problem is, the aircraft I trained in is book till kingdom come. I’m trying to rent from another school, but my CFI is saying that because I’m in a 141 program, my recheck has to be done in a “141 aircraft.” Is this true for a recheck? My understanding is the training time has to be in a 141 aircraft, but the checkride isn’t specific to 141 or 61. I kinda feel like this school is just trying to keep me from renting from another place. Do I have any options?
I looked in the FARs but couldn’t find a definitive answer.
saml01@reddit
What kind of school doesn't bump students who need a plane for a checkride? It's an unspoken rule, Every student with a lesson scheduled understands this can happen to them or they may need to bump someone else.
scudrunner14@reddit
It’s a 141, doesn’t surprise me one bit. When I busted my checkride my school automatically reserved the same plane for me a month out from my retest without even asking when I scheduled the retest. 61 mom n pop FTW
saml01@reddit
I trained at a combo 141/61 and they bumped students for checkrides all the time. This isnt a 141 thing.
sirepicness666@reddit
Embry riddle was like this lol
ammo359@reddit
Literally everywhere I’ve flown will move heaven and earth to give you the plane you want for a checkride. Maybe the 141 environment is weird, but my response to the few times I’ve been bumped last minute because someone got a checkride date is always “cool, wish them luck, and if they need anything I’m happy to help”
Wedge_Donovan@reddit
It's not, at least not in that regard. I did my multi 141 (the school also had a 61 multi option) and they absolutely bumped lessons to make an airplane available for checkrides.
the_devils_advocates@reddit
Even happens at the airlines. Sim was broke for my recurrent evaluation. Sorry to the new hires that lost their training device
mirassou3416@reddit
Sounds muddy but if you have major scheduling problems, just go to a part 61 flight school, fly the maneuvers with an instructor there and have them sign you off for the practical test
Additional_Bug_2823@reddit
Being practical for a moment ---- you do not want to take a checkride now on a plane with which you are not familiar. You need to know your equipment and not fumble around thinking of what instrument is where, and so on.
Ok_Relationship_335@reddit (OP)
This is a plane I’ve flown a lot for time building. My recheck is a pretty minor thing that should only take like 15 minutes.
Dependent-Mind-2168@reddit
That is explicitly not true. I also went to a 141 school. University actually and i took my csel check in a random 172
Reputation_Many@reddit
And yet another reason that I didn’t know of why I will tell everyone never use a 141 school.
131 schools are awful and I’m guessing they pushed you to take the check right before you were actually ready for it because that’s what they do to everyone then they can get you for a couple extra hours of flight time and with them delaying you now you’re gonna need even more practice so they’re gonna get even more money.
I left my part 141 college because they were pulling that type of stuff with me and other students. They also would never schedule you to actually fly. And they were really pissed during Christmas break when I completed my instrument and commercial.
fallingfaster345@reddit
Man, I must’ve been lucky. My 141 charged a flat rate. Someone could finish private in 50 hours and pay exactly the same as someone who finished in 120 hours. We just paid the fee for the course.
I think that has changed by now but during the years I was there, luckily, it was just the flat rate, no extra fees if you needed to repeat a lesson or retraining or whatnot.
Reputation_Many@reddit
wow, where was that?
fallingfaster345@reddit
Oh gosh, you don’t want to go there. While the cost was great, everything else was basically garbage haha
TheVillianOfValley@reddit
Sounds like you need a new school entirely. Go finish up part 61.
countextreme@reddit
Looks like others have already answered the 141 question here, but if you're ready for your checkride, you're probably not that far off from meeting the 61 requirements, either; you could just knock out any requirements you still need in order to qualify under part 61 and take your checkride that way.
Slippery_when_RA@reddit
The aircraft for training purposes needs to be on the schools approved list, yes. To properly answer the question about using another schools plane depends on the curriculum at your current school. Some 141 schools have examining authority which means a satisfactory stage check yields a grad certificate. Which you would then have to show to the FAA to get an actual airman certificate/rating. That stage check, which is effectively your practical test, would have to be in an approved airplane.
Now you use the term DPE which suggests you have already completed the actual course (including any stage checks) and that your school just doesn’t have examining authority. If that’s the case then you can use any plane you’d like (assuming the CFI endorses you properly).
eSUP80@reddit
Brutal to not get priority with a checkride. I’ve been bumped a few times for checkrides. Completely understandable
TTMR1986@reddit
I know the training must be done in a plane on your school's 141 approved list.
Will they not shuffle others for your ride? It's taken as given here that if you need a plane for a ride, you get it.
Ok_Relationship_335@reddit (OP)
Theres a lot of drama happening with this school that is too much to get into. Bottom line it may set me back significantly if I try to use their plane. I know the training needs to be 141, but I have all my training time logged and good to go, I just need the checkride.
TTMR1986@reddit
Oof, good luck
swagredditor6@reddit
What 141 school doesn’t give their checkride students automatic priority? That should be the bare minimum
BagOfMoneyNoChange@reddit
Yes, the airplane needs to be approved in the 141 TCO. You can't just use any old airplane.
Ok_Relationship_335@reddit (OP)
Thanks for the reply. I’m looking at the source, and it doesn’t mention checkouts. Just planes used for “training and solo flights”. Could you point me somewhere more specific?
pilotjlr@reddit
Dude, you’re barking up the wrong tree. Your instructor doesn’t want you to fail a second time because you rented some clapped out random whatever. This isn’t about dissecting legal language. You have to stay in their program or he could void his endorsements.
BagOfMoneyNoChange@reddit
Yes, I can point you to something more specific: your 141 program's TCO (training course outline).
SEKS-Aviator@reddit
What the heck is a "141 aircraft"??
BagOfMoneyNoChange@reddit
Tthe aircraft used must be listed and approved as part of that school’s Training Course Outline (TCO)
AlexJamesFitz@reddit
Your intuition is correct, that's some bullshit.
rFlyingTower@reddit
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Long story short, I busted an instrument checkride last week, and I’m trying to get a retest. The problem is, the aircraft I trained in is book till kingdom come. I’m trying to rent from another school, but my CFI is saying that because I’m in a 141 program, my recheck has to be done in a “141 aircraft.” Is this true for a recheck? My understanding is the training time has to be in a 141 aircraft, but the checkride isn’t specific to 141 or 61. I kinda feel like this school is just trying to keep me from renting from another place. Do I have any options?
I looked in the FARs but couldn’t find a definitive answer.
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