Would you snag this in 40 S&W?
Posted by Stranded_In_Limbo@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 97 comments
Would this be a good pickup at $749 with case, holster and moon clips?
Posted by Stranded_In_Limbo@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 97 comments
Would this be a good pickup at $749 with case, holster and moon clips?
Moth_Broth@reddit
Skip it unless you find it in .357 mag, because semiautomatic pistols can shoot .40, can shoot more of it, and shoot it more comfortably. Rhinos are sick but don't get one just to have it, get it in a proper revolver caliber
CDGuilly69@reddit
I’d get a 357 so you can shoot 357 & 38 special
Stranded_In_Limbo@reddit (OP)
It's a used one, can't be choosey
coldafsteel@reddit
A good deal on a shit gun, is not a good deal.
Stranded_In_Limbo@reddit (OP)
Not sure it's exactly a "shit gun" just because you don't like the caliber.
coldafsteel@reddit
I like 40s&w fine. But it’s not a revolver load and it’s not cross compatible with anything else. It gets you stuck in a corner that you can’t get out of. It’s cheap for a reason. Spending good money on a bad idea is a fools errand.
TacosNGuns@reddit
Revolvers chambered in rimless auto cartridges have been manufactured continuously since 1917.
ReReDRock1039@reddit
Pass
hindsighthaiku@reddit
then skip it.
wackadoodle4201@reddit
What's the price they want?
SilenceDobad76@reddit
Dont both calibers cost more than .40 to shoot?
Sensitive_Box_@reddit
Yeah but .40 in this form factor is really stupid. Just buy an auto if you really want .40...
TacosNGuns@reddit
No it isn’t. Moon clipped ammo in pistol (9,10, 45) calibers loads and ejects better/faster than revolvers cases like 38, 357, 44 etc.
Just because this revolver caliber doesn’t suit you, doesn’t make it stupid.
firearmresearch00@reddit
How is 6rds of 40s&w superior to either 10rd in a similar size auto, or 6rd of 357? I've never had an issue ejecting spent cases out of a conventional revolver
Umney@reddit
He didn't say it's superior in every aspect, a revolver will always be a revolver with all its pros and cons. It's perfectly adequate.
TacosNGuns@reddit
The comparison made was when using clips. And if you’ve never had a case hang ejecting 357/38 you are not shooting them much if at all.
Sensitive_Box_@reddit
Then why doesn't anyone use it? Surely if it was just as good, we'd all carry it... right?...
TacosNGuns@reddit
Tell me you don’t understand economics without telling me 😂
TacosNGuns@reddit
I used 10mm when it was all but dead. Only Glock and Colt made one model each for over a decade. I’d rather lead trends than follow them. Reloading lets me shoot anything I like without concern for the popularity. But hey sheep need to keep their herd numbers up baa on friend.
Sensitive_Box_@reddit
Its not a popularity contest, its a practicality contest.
coldafsteel@reddit
In 357 you not only get 38spc, but with moon clips you can use 9mm, 380acp, and even 38super (not a good idea, but can be done).
A revolver a 40s&w is mega dumb, you can’t use 10mm in it.
Beebjank@reddit
I have this gun in .357, this has literally never been an issue even shooting steel cased shit which does get sticky. Wack the ejector rod with your purse.
TacosNGuns@reddit
What are you on about? The comparison I made was between those calibers when using them ~moon clips~.
Beebjank@reddit
The Rhino is cut for moon clips with 357/38 too. It’s not just specific for the autoloader rounds.
TacosNGuns@reddit
I never said otherwise. Shorter fatter cases work better than longer thinner cases with moon clips. Shoot with a shot timer and there’s no comparison.
Umney@reddit
Fuck it, why not? You only live twice.
ADHD_Strategics@reddit
Fuck no.
bikumz@reddit
Brand new it’s around a 800 dollar gun. So a used gun with a holster and a few moon clips is worth only 50 bucks less? In an unpopular caliber? Unless it’s a super nice holster and a shit ton of moon clips I’d pass. Or try to talk them down to 675 at MOST.
This would be a sweet gun to have though. No mags to worry about and when all the other calibers clear off of the shelves 40 smith and Wesson usually sitting there.
Stranded_In_Limbo@reddit (OP)
In your opinion, is the 40 now dead?
Parktio@reddit
not dead exactly, but i have noticed that during times of low stock on popular calibers 40 is always in stock, online and in store. 40 is one of those calibers thats good to have in case we ever get another covid-level shortage.
JimMarch@reddit
NO. lol.
40 has about 25% more power per shot than 9mm, with the best loads in both calibers. Yes, 9mm has gotten better. So has the 40.
The HST in 40S&W 155 is a beast.
BeenisHat@reddit
And the option to jump all the way up to 180gr if you want is really nice. Even 200gr ammo which is theoretically subsonic.
JimMarch@reddit
From a short barrel like my Taurus G3c in 40, 165 stays barely subsonic and expands well (HST or Winchester Ranger T in 165). The Critical Defense 165 works too. Velocity in that thing should be similar. 135gr and 155gr will be Supersonic, 180 is unlikely to expand.
Once you run a 4" barrel the best 180 loads are monsters.
BeenisHat@reddit
Yeah, it really is a flexible round. I get people don't like the recoil and that's fine. More ammo for me.
JimMarch@reddit
I'm deleting recoil by going all in on big fixed gas pedals in small semi autos. Obviously can't do that on a revolver BUT that Rhino was designed for 357, 40 isn't nearly as bad :).
I do gas pedals because I run a fast draw fanny pack class holster so gun width isn't a limiting comfort factor.
BeenisHat@reddit
How's it fit with the pedal? Dig into you at all?
JimMarch@reddit
Here's the starting point holster design (basically, the holster came first):
https://youtu.be/RWFif9d3k00?si=DxN4IGbMNc8wASIQ
Here's how it works:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16l-lUyhLXFvu8JZe_f0Kia3BX0LzWpin/view?usp=drivesdk
That's a blue plastic replica gun in the kydex core.
Here's what it's evolved into:
https://imgur.com/gallery/61h11Jw
Dual gas pedals so I can switch hands depending on which corner I'm going around. Lol. Mainly just proving it's possible and daily carry practical. If I've got pants on, that's on me.
Peace sign is a running joke - it's where I keep my piece. Yeah. An actual weaponized pun.
TacosNGuns@reddit
I love it, has a great mad scientist vibe. That pop-out gun presentation is slick, reminds me of a PEZ dispenser.
JimMarch@reddit
Here's my mad scientist vibe:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/03/maurice-frankenruger-magazine-fed-revolver/
TacosNGuns@reddit
That’s very cool, I was thinking about the Dardick magazine fed revolver this week.
And chatting with TBF royalty made my day
JimMarch@reddit
I'm not royalty. Lol.
I do want to take that weaponized kid's pop-up book holster into production.
TacosNGuns@reddit
They sold so many 40 cal pistols over the last three decades it will never be dead. I find .38 super on the shelf in Academy and that round had its heyday in the 1930’s.
snippysniper@reddit
It’s pretty popular with the competition crowd now
Agammamon@reddit
Its not 'dead' but its clear that in autoloaders 9mm does the job just as well with less recoil and more capacity.
TacosNGuns@reddit
Just as well? No. 9mm is cheaper for gov agencies to procure. And easier to train neophytes to shoot.
Agammamon@reddit
You could try reading what I wrote and respond to that rather than whatever you hallucinated I wrote.
SpiritAnimalLeroy@reddit
This is the only reason I keep my 239 (and I'm still furious at myself for not just getting it in 9mm back in 2009).
mzrdisi@reddit
Huge in the nineties and into the early 2010s, but 9MM Para has really stolen the show in the last 10-15 years.
It's still a solid caliber, ballistically, and no where near dead, just not the most popular right now.
bikumz@reddit
Dead no. Popular? Also no. It’s not hard to find ammo for it but it is hard to find the exact ammo you like if you don’t like ordering online.
Sub7viaLimeWire@reddit
It’s not dead, but it’s like the budget option now. I wouldn’t do it to save a few bucks. Probably find one on sale for that.
CommunalJellyRoll@reddit
Shit no.
Kindly_Region@reddit
I wouldn't, moon clips are a pain in the ass
Stranded_In_Limbo@reddit (OP)
Are they that bad?
TacosNGuns@reddit
It depends. I use the BMT Mooner (& demooner) tool. Loads rounds into clips as fast as I can load rounds into a machine. And clips are cheaper than magazines. TK Customs makes a pliers style tool that’s bit slower. Last there are polymer (and some metal clips that you just use with fingers.
Kindly_Region@reddit
If you just wanna carry it? No. Any trip to the range sucks though. Loading and unloading the clips is difficult and they bend easy. Getting replacements was also next to impossible and the ones I did find were ridiculously priced
This is also just my experience with one firearm. I wouldn't buy another one unless is was stupid cheap
windowmaker525@reddit
I feel like you should be able to 3d print them in this day and age
Kindly_Region@reddit
Maybe they can, I had mine at least 5 years ago and those 3D printers have come a long way.
Unkle_Bob@reddit
If you can shoot 10mm through it…then yes
the5ummoner@reddit
I don't really mess with .40's. I either go with .38's or .45's. But even if I wanted a .40 for some reason, that is only like $50 off a new one. Not a good deal.
stg506@reddit
Fuck nah
CAD007@reddit
Wait for a .357, unless you have a bunch of other .40 S&W guns and want to have common ammo.
TacosNGuns@reddit
In moon clips, forty will load fast and eject cleanly. I’m a reloader so yeah I’d snag that. Same dies and bullets as 10mm I already load.
Sensitive_Box_@reddit
No
zeromutt@reddit
Im thinking about this and a s&w442 ultimate carry. This is way cooler but seems like it might be too heavy for a pocket carry
DJ_Sk8Nite@reddit
Sounds and feels like a terrible time.
juggarjew@reddit
Fuck no, id only get one in .357.
YERAFIREARMS@reddit
No. For 44, I will take one on 6"
slimcrizzle@reddit
No
Puppies_andKittens@reddit
$500-$750 new.
Puppies_andKittens@reddit
100%, that would make it unbearably cool to me.
Stranded_In_Limbo@reddit (OP)
How much would you pay for it?
jamesdo72@reddit
Not for $750, but I’d like to have a range trip with it. Alloy frame, so I’m interested to see how much the lower bore axis affects felt recoil. I often hear chatter about the Glock 27 being snappy, but I love mine. This rhino can’t shoot much differently than it.
Stranded_In_Limbo@reddit (OP)
What would you pay for it?
jamesdo72@reddit
I know it’s likely valued well higher, but basis I’m only mildly interested, likely somewhere in the $500-600 ballpark.
DallasGuy99@reddit
O
theslonkingdead@reddit
Is the cylinder long enough to fit 10mm?
p225@reddit
There is a company that can rechamber it to 10mm. Name is Aria something or other
BoSknight@reddit
Dremel the frame if it sticks out, my uncle said it works fine after the first couple rounds
CaptainNemo42@reddit
"Works fine after the first few rounds." looooool
BoSknight@reddit
Supposed to knock anything loose off idk the science
jimmy_leonard1@reddit
Fuck no
BeenisHat@reddit
Nah. Even a Glock 27 with it's short magazine is 9+1. Unless you just really like revolvers.
Big_Z_Diddy@reddit
No. I would buy one in .357 mag though.
TheRabidSpatula@reddit
40 out of a snub nose is almost useless unless your point blank.
No matter the price I'd pass.
Mountain_Man_88@reddit
.40 in a revolver makes no sense in anything other than the most convoluted scenarios. It won't be fun or convenient or better than a more common caliber. If you want a weird gun just to have a weird gun and you aren't actually concerned about it being good then go right ahead though.
DoNotCensorMyName@reddit
This gun makes no sense in 40. Why would they not open up the chambers a few millimeters so it can use 10mm AND 40?
seattleforge@reddit
No???
Rdmtbiker@reddit
That will be very “snappy” to shoot.
Agammamon@reddit
No. God no.
.357 or .38, sure.
.40SW revolver is kinda the worst of all worlds - over-powered round that requires moon-clips to load.
I mean, if you've got 800 buck lying around and want to play with it go ahead. But you'd enjoy it more in .357. Then you could load .39SPC for fooling around if you wanted.
Perfect-Dimension356@reddit
Absolutely not. I don't even really see a need for 40S&W in a platform designed for it like the M&P or the USP. If I'm shooting an auto caliber, I want a magazine-fed pistol. If I am shooting a revolver, I want a revolver caliber.
UltramanOrigin@reddit
At a longer barrel length sure
MEMExplorer@reddit
Nah, I’d just get a Glock 27
Content-Trainer-9098@reddit
No, I like my wrists.
Precision10X@reddit
No thanks😅
Dragonnuttz@reddit
Stranded_In_Limbo@reddit (OP)
How much would it be worth?
Dragonnuttz@reddit