Why did Wireless Festival organisers cancelled the whole festival because of losing Kanye?
Posted by bkdeamon@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 205 comments
I've read BBC, Guardian, Times and other outlets. I still cannot understand why they cancelled a whole festival because they've lost access to Kanye West as a headliner. Are the being petty?
Balanced-Order@reddit
I’d say some big sponsors pulling out caused a bigger issue.
deHaga@reddit
Call me cynical, but the festival boss sure seemed like he wanted the govt to cancel his travel on the radio this morning.
Maybe their insurance would only pay out if it was beyond their control, force majeure or something?
the_swanny@reddit
I work in the events industry and I for one am shocked that they managed to achieve getting wireless insured with Ye as the headliner, given the outrage that was likely to happen. Granted it is Live Nation, which is a pretty big fish, so they can probably distribute the loss, but my god.
Icy_Tip405@reddit
Me too, I’m sure the insurance people would have put something in there for this knowing how controversial he is.
But if they didn’t, it gonna cost them.
However I can’t see a standard insurance contract agreement, saying they would pay out if acts didn’t turn up?
jimicus@reddit
There’s no such thing as a standard insurance policy for commercial risks like this. It’s all discussed and agreed on an ad-hoc basis.
the_swanny@reddit
To some extent there is boilerplate, especially for companies like LiveNation, they get a bit more leniency given that they have a lot of festivals to spread liability over, therefor a washout or a cancellation at wireless for example, can have it's loss spread across the entire portfolio of festivals to make insurers less unhappy.
YchYFi@reddit
I don't think either thought it would matter. That's why it didn't flag anything.
UncleSeph@reddit
100% this.
Cancelling the festival would Gabe probably gone into 7 figures in costs, but by having it cancelled due to orders by an outside authority (I.e. the government banning the main act from entering the country), event insurance covers the bill.
I’d make a guess that the advertiser/supplier/sponsor/fan backlash was a lot bigger than expected, leading to the festival being on course to lose money, and this was the only way to avoid that.
The reverse of it is why back at the start of Covid the UK Government advised people to try and not go to pubs/clubs/restaurants, but stopped short of ordering them to close. That way, if a pub decided to close up due to no custom/a pandemic, it’s their choice and insurance doesn’t have to pay out. I’d bet heavily there were insurance companies lobbying to allow these businesses to open.
ReddereDonum@reddit
I don't know anything about event insurance but is there any recourse for insurers to deny a claim due to negligence?
Kanye is notorious. I could see them potentially saying it was a foreseeable risk and Wireless didn't do their due dilligence.
It's not the same but I'm thinking about all those exclusions I read in my travel insurance and that your claim is void if you don't take care to mitigate risk.
the_swanny@reddit
In normal cases, an insurer just wouldn't insure a festival if the headliners were controversial, unreliable, etc. They have a lot of control behind the scenes, and would have known that Ye was the headliner before all of this came to light.
Perite@reddit
It’s films so not exactly the same but Robert Downey Jr was a good example of this. His was effectively uninsurable at one point so most people thought his career was over. But Mel Gibson paid his insurance bond personally for the singing detective. Then when he didn’t fuck that up he became insurable again.
So yeah, in the entertainment industry the insurers absolutely look at who the specific people are and decide whether or not the risk is worth it to them.
jimicus@reddit
This.
Commercial insurance isn’t like insuring your car. They’ll have asked who the headline act is (or at least who’s shortlisted) and priced that risk into their policy.
Big_Comfortable4256@reddit
Yep. My thoughts exactly. Force Majeure.
Or they try and sue the Government.
PabloMarmite@reddit
You can’t sue the government.
You can apply for judicial review if you think the government has done something wrong.
holo-cene1@reddit
you can absolutely sue the government
Few_Valuable_7765@reddit
You can definitely bring a civil claim against the government.
No_Coyote_557@reddit
It's not force majeure. Ye is not that big.
topheavyhookjaws@reddit
Insurance for a festival will always have a clause of the cancellation reason being beyond the control of the insured etc, so definitely possible.
reggieko13@reddit
But this wasn’t beyond their control
topheavyhookjaws@reddit
While that could be argued, the government banning him from entering after his agreement definitely falls beyond their control. But yes, it won't be a straightforward claim for sure
Routine_Ad1823@reddit
I dunno, on Radio 4 he just sounded like he wanted it all to go away either way.
It was hilarious him trying to spin it, saying it found the comments and actions utterly abhorrent... but not enough to not give the guy a massive platform to make a load of cash. Thankfully the reporter was calling him out.
SeaComb5808@reddit
Feels like he was fishing for a “blame it on the government” excuse so the insurance would cover it, classic force majeure maneuver.
InformationHead3797@reddit
Bingo
ding_0_dong@reddit
I was hoping freedon of expression was more important but you've probably put your finger on it
OdinForce22@reddit
Freedom of expression doesn't mean freedom from consequence.
AnonymousBadger104@reddit
I don't understand why people parrot this stupid fucking phrase. What else do you think freedom of expression means? The freedom to not be physically gagged when you try to speak?
bluegrm@reddit
I’m very much for freedom of expression, but West will have been coming into the UK on a work visa and they aren’t really about freedom of expression.
In my line of work I’ll tell you for nothing that I will struggle to get a work visa for the US, despite not having come out with statements / published support of any mass murdering dictators.
allisondbl@reddit
“Government imposed” … exactly. Not freedom from a decent human being looking at an antisemitic misogynistic asshole and going “nope.”
AnonymousBadger104@reddit
Who the fuck do you think stops people from entering the country if not the government?
allisondbl@reddit
Well that’s a whole other discussion. But it in fact what I was responding to was just the idea that it is government involvement that is mandatory with regard to freedom of expression being an issue not that people decided that Kanye wasn’t somebody they wanted to give money to and moped out.
ding_0_dong@reddit
Silencing someone before they've said anything? Nope that's just censorship
becooldocrime@reddit
He's said plenty.
ding_0_dong@reddit
Life means life when it comes to prison sentences
becooldocrime@reddit
He released a song called Heil Hitler less than a year ago.
ding_0_dong@reddit
So art is only what you choose? Ok boomer
In all seriousness what books would you burn?
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becooldocrime@reddit
Whatever ones you enjoy probably.
Desperate-Row3944@reddit
Where do you draw the line on what someone is allowed to claim is art?
AikenLugon@reddit
You're simply wrong...One would go so far to suggest pretty ignorant too.
ding_0_dong@reddit
Sweet summer child. We'll see how it plays out.
TheRealVinosity@reddit
Blocked the person you are replying to, a long time ago.
They are continuously an absolute melt.
becooldocrime@reddit
He released a song called Heil Hitler less than a year ago.
Krakshotz@reddit
Pepsi, Diageo (Guinness & Smirnoff) and Rockstar Energy are almost certainly the drinks suppliers for the festival as well
CelDidNothingWrong@reddit
How did they think they’d get away with having him anyway
TomatoChomper7@reddit
They thought people didn’t mind antisemitism anymore.
ToughImprovement276@reddit
Considering it was sold out I don’t think they were wrong in that regard. The organisers just probably didn’t think the government would intervene.
They let Vybz kartel perform maybe last year and the guy is literally a murderer (although his team got his conviction overturned by the privy council after 10 years, it’s very very clear that he did commit that crime), and its been crickets from the home office.
robhaswell@reddit
It's disingenuous to say it was sold out as presale tickets only went live this morning. General sale was supposed to be tomorrow.
AngryGardenGnomes@reddit
Let's be honest, they're probably just as racist as he is.
notyourcupofteamate@reddit
I think a lot of people might not be 'overlooking it' so much as - I like his music so I'd like to see him live. I could see people being oblivious to what goes on in his actual life separate to the music. Loads of bands / artists I like I don't know anything about them outside listening to them on Spotify.
AngryGardenGnomes@reddit
Wait are you admitting that you'd go to one of his concerts and overlook his disgusting views yourself?
notyourcupofteamate@reddit
No, I wouldn't, I'm saying that's other people could be oblivious to anything about him outside of his music. When I said 'I' I was meaning them. People don't do background research on every artist they watch perform, there are loads of artists who will carry on performing to sell out crowds who have views that are disgusting.
AngryGardenGnomes@reddit
Who the fuck talks like that? What a strange way to word a sentence.
notyourcupofteamate@reddit
"I think a lot of people might not be 'overlooking it' so much as - I like his music so I'd like to see him live."
Well the leading sentence made it understandable to me. Sorry to not have met your standards. No need to be rude on a thread where you're preaching about an artist being an arsehole.
TomatoChomper7@reddit
I think there’s probably some element of that, but I’d imagine that at his level of fame/notoriety, it’s a pretty small portion of people who aren’t aware of this stuff but are also in line on the dot for the presale.
AngryGardenGnomes@reddit
Wait, are you admitting that you'd go to one of his concerts and overlook his disgusting views yourself?
AngryGardenGnomes@reddit
Let's be honest, they're probably just as racist as he is.
AngryGardenGnomes@reddit
Let's be honest, they're probably just as racist as he is.
ToughImprovement276@reddit
That’s fair, the news article I read said it was sold out. I didn’t realise it was just the presale.
WheresWalldough@reddit
> They let Vybz kartel perform maybe last year and the guy is literally a murderer
> (although his team got his conviction overturned by the privy council after 10 years, it’s very very clear that he did commit that crime),
not sure that's how things work, in fact.
ToughImprovement276@reddit
I replied in more detail to an earlier comment but in summary he’d been in jail for 10 years and the Jamaican courts denied his appeals because the evidence showed he murdered the victim. His team appealed to the privy council and they declared it a mistrial because a juror (potentially one of his people) was trying to bribe other jurors (potentially in his favour) and his conviction was overturned.
So legally not a murderer but he did it.
Jamaican authorities decided not to do a retrial because of his health.
Periapts@reddit
So basically they happily allow murderers to perform, but if you say bad words about a certain group of people you get blocked from performing? Seems fair.
xxPlsNoBullyxx@reddit
Minimising the past decade of kanye tomfoolery to "he said bad words" is a HUGE amount of bullshit and you know it lmao
ReddereDonum@reddit
It does feel a bit inconsistent. Lil Wayne was banned for having a historical gun charge. But a murderer was not? Hmm
I can only assume it's because of what you said in your last paragraph. If his conviction is overturned you can't just treat him as a convicted murderer just because you "know" he did it. That would lead into murky territory I feel but I don't know enough about his case.
ToughImprovement276@reddit
He was in jail for about 10 years or so, his team appealed to the privy council because the Jamaican courts weren’t having it. There was a juror trying to bribe others (locally it’s said that it was a juror trying to bribe others in his favour but I can’t verify that), so it was declared a mistrial. The Jamaican courts denied his appeals each time because he did it and also so as not to make other celebrities think they can murder others and get away with it.
So yes I absolutely believe that everyone deserves due process and the Jamaican authorities have decided not to retrial due to his poor health. But if you read the specifics of the trial, it’s very clear that he at a bare minimum orchestrated said murder.
Either way, not really someone we want in this country.
Atompunk78@reddit
I mean, a hell of a lot of people don’t lmao
AngryGardenGnomes@reddit
What's funny?
Atompunk78@reddit
It’s not funny in a literal humour sense, it’s funny in a ‘haha we’re all doing to die’ sense
AngryGardenGnomes@reddit
Wow, such mirth comes from anti-semitism. That's nice.
TomatoChomper7@reddit
Yeah, it’s been on the rise. I think they just assumed everyone was so fine with it that it wouldn’t be an issue at all.
Atompunk78@reddit
Oof :(
timeforknowledge@reddit
They thought? They sold out...?
ikxbtd123@reddit
I feel it sets a dangerous precedent in terms of disability awareness. Kanye has a diagnosed mental disorder which he’s attributed his behaviour to and apologised. I’m not saying I agree one way or the other whether he’s owed any kind of forgiveness, but i feel that there would be other instances of people’s behaviour being influenced by similar factors not under the same scrutiny simply because of the target of his behaviour.
In a similar vein, I’ve convinced myself a lot of people slating Kanye are simply on a bandwagon, they’d be the first to defend people with disabilities being targeted and for example being blocked from entering the country for doing something arguably (emphasis here) out of their control. However Kanye was a controversial figure before his antisemitism, but not for the same kind of issue.
When I listened to radio 1 this morning, they were hearing from call ins from some people showing their disgust about Kanye being booked by Wireless. I quite literally heard a woman say “I’m not sure how the Jewish people feel about it but I’m disgusted”. I’m sorry but being offended on behalf of a people you don’t identify with yourself without even knowing said people’s opinion on said offence must surely be the definition of woke culture. I didn’t hear Radio 1 hear from a single person they identified as being of the Jewish faith. Me personally, if I heard that the Jewish people of Britain accepted Kanyes apology and were happy for him to perform, that’s enough for me. However, the only opinions I’m being given as somebody casually listening to the radio and not going out of my way to research the issue, is that of somebody chronically online for whom being offended is a personality trait.
Squeak_Stormborn@reddit
Bipolar disorder doesn't take away your morals.
Yes, it can induce temporay psychotic episodes and that can make you do some fucked up things. But Kanye being a complete prick isn't temporary. He has always said inflammatory things and shown himself to be a horrible person. Bipolar didn't cause his entire personality.
nonsequitur__@reddit
So if you saw someone be beaten or raped or killed, you couldn’t feel disgust towards the perpetrator just because you aren’t the victim?
I think we should support others, especially minorities, and not make it so that they always have to fight alone.
Bipolar disorder doesn’t account for his beliefs and regardless, they are still his intentional words and actions. For example, bipolar disorder wouldn’t automatically mean you aren’t fit to stand trial.
becooldocrime@reddit
If his bipolar causes him to actively cause harm then the ability for him to do so on a mass level needs to be removed. He released a song called Heil Hitler less than a year ago, and he has not demonstrated anywhere near the degree of stability and changed behaviour for this whole “he’s a changed man because he took out an ad a few weeks before his comeback attempt” to ring true.
ikxbtd123@reddit
Who defines when and if said stability and changed behaviour is met as a criteria? I’d be inclined to accept the opinions of the Jewish community and members of medical and legal fields, but not people calling up the radio and sharing things on Facebook because they’re bored
becooldocrime@reddit
In this case, the sponsors of the event and the British government.
All he has done is take out an ad saying “soz” then expect to continue with no further discussion- wherever the bar is, that doesn’t meet it.
CookieMagneto@reddit
I'm Jewish and I'm also on meds for a personality disorder so perhaps I can offer some insight. Having a mental problem doesn't excuse this sort of behaviour. If I don't take my meds, I can't do whatever I want and then expect forgiveness for the shit I did off my meds. So I'm personally glad he's on the receiving end of some consequences and I don't think a famous antisemite should be allowed in the country.
ikxbtd123@reddit
Fair enough, like I said I’m not arguing for or against his entry, I wasn’t planning on going to the festival, however I feel the media has turned it into a witch hunt, and the only people’s opinions I care to hear are people like yourself, and those in a position educationally to make legal and medical comments on it
baby--goats@reddit
Please don't infantilise people with bipolar disorder. Yes, during episodes with Bipolar Type 1 (which he has) that person can lose touch with reality - and say things they'd never say otherwise.
But this has been going on for years. He'll have had moments of clarity, and could've sought out the best medical treatment for it a long time ago.
ikxbtd123@reddit
Me not being an expert on his medical condition along with what I assume are 99+% of the people calling for him to not be allowed entry is my exact point.
Yes I could go and do the research and look at how long he’s had it and over what periods of time he’s made remarks, how many of the people crying out against him have done that to ensure they’re in a true position to object against his actions?
Whole_Necessary2040@reddit
In Finsbury Park/Manor House, one of the main Jewish communities lives there lol
BroldenMass@reddit
Genuinely I don’t think they did. My conspiracy theory is that they’ve not been financially doing well for a while, but if they announced that and cancelled it themselves that would be the festival done forever effectively.
They knew the government would have to ban him so booked him to make them do the work for them, save face, possibly get an insurance payout and go again next year.
I absolutely understand that this is a full tinfoil hat take though, most likely the real explanation is that the people in charge are tone deaf morons and thought it would be fine.
Aloha_Tamborinist@reddit
But it's been almost a year since he released Heil Hitler! Can't we all just move on?
Any_Argument7068@reddit
Unironically this. We used to be a country that birthed acts like Skrewdriver and allowed them to play. Sid Vicious rocked his famous swastika t-shirt and no one cared. How have we gone back in time in terms of what we allow, it's pathetic. Grow a fucking pair you pussies.
DigbyDoesDallas@reddit
They said they “checked with various stakeholders, and none of them raised concerns about the potential of it not happening” and you’ve got to assume these stakeholders are idiots for not considering it.
Bacon4Lyf@reddit
Because the tickets sold out pretty instantly and they had cleared it with their sponsors already
Sapceghost1@reddit
Serves them right for being idiots.
AngryGardenGnomes@reddit
Anti-semites*
FTFY
timeforknowledge@reddit
Why are they the idiots? They created an event hired an act and sold every single ticket. That's pretty clever. They made a ton of money, so they are smarter than you.
It's the people that purchased the tickets that are the problem, why isn't anyone having a go at the people that sacrificed a holiday this year to buy an overpriced ticket to see Kanye?
In the UK it feels like you are not allowed to call out anyone that earns under £50k...
AngryGardenGnomes@reddit
Oh yeah, the plan has gone swimmingly for them.
AngryGardenGnomes@reddit
Anti-semites*
FTFY
Taskmasterburster@reddit
So Jay-Z - a known pimp, drug dealer and gang member was allowed to headline Glastonbury but Kanye isn’t even allowed a visa ?? Who are the idiots ? Massive overreach by the govt
Past-Anything9789@reddit
Yep. What numpty didn't see this coming?
Jimbob136925@reddit
All the major sponsors pulled out after the controversy of Kanye. No funds? No festival
Psychological-Bag272@reddit
Probably the lack of funds. Ye probs has a clause in his contract that he would be paid a certain amount nonetheless if he can't perform due to situations outside of his control i.e. government not authorising visa.
With big sponsors pulling out, I am not sure the organisers can afford to raise more funds to hire another headliner, and it'd have to be a big name. Agents can smell desperate organisers from miles away.
I am surprised organisers are still booking him, tbh. Even without all the antisemitism, he has been rather unreliable. You just don't know what version of Ye you are going to get! What a waste with all that talents he has in music.
RecentTwo544@reddit
u/bkdeamon this is the answer.
I work in the industry, not with hip-hop shite but worked close enough with LN/FR (they run most major festivals, even do most of the stuff for Glasto, quietly) to know this will be the reason.
They put all their money on Kanye, three times, and I'm still staggered they made such an insane decision.
Festivals run on very tight margins, profit is surprisingly slim. Losing their headliner for all three days when he was the only announced artist will constitute enough of a "material change to the event" that people can request refunds.
Sponsors pulling out alone wouldn't have been enough to cancel. Ticket sale losses from one headliner cancelling is never enough to cancel in festival world.
But losing your only headliner for all three days, with no other major artists announced, and your major sponsors, that's a bridge too far.
People in the industry utterly astounded like I say, these are very reputable people with a long track record that stretches back decades. This is the kind of thing an amateur festival organiser with loads of money from mummy and daddy would pull when they're way in over their head and experience level. For the leading festival organiser in the world to do this makes no sense.
Remanufacture88@reddit
Do you think there is any truth to the rumour that Kanye's team wasn't able to secure any arenas in the UK for his world tour, which is why he ended up at Wireless? Likely at an attractive price for LN to take the risk?
The more I have read, the more this seems to explain why they took the gamble so hard.
RecentTwo544@reddit
Not sure, but I can find out over the summer I reckon.
oliverprose@reddit
Given that all their infrastructure was already booked and possibly paid for at this point too, I think that'll be why they had to try and string it along when it looked like failing - I think what another poster said about needing it to fail like this to allow them to claim on their insurance is a strong possibility.
If the government had allowed the visa to go through despite the outcry, they're stuck with an unpopular headliner with limited draw power from their support acts, sponsors pulling out, and GA ticket sales not being sufficient to cover the costs. I'd hate to guess what the losses would end up looking like in that situation - probably not enough to sink them, but a deep wound for sure.
AngryGardenGnomes@reddit
His name is Kanye West, mate. Stop with this "Ye" BS.
Psychological-Bag272@reddit
Stop being pedantic and bore off. Why get worked up over this? It is not even your name.
AngryGardenGnomes@reddit
Lol the guy is famously called Kanye West. That's how everyone knows him. Not sure why you're humouring a racist.
OnlymyOP@reddit
I read online that Live Nation make it a part of their contracts the Artist is responsible for their Visa, so if he can't get one , Live Nation may have legal recourse to get their money back.
Whether they'd want to do that or take him to court over it, thats another matter.
RecentTwo544@reddit
This is highly dependent in my experience but for someone as big as Kanye it likely doesn't apply.
It gets blurred that high up too - a lot of the same companies and people are involved.
OnlymyOP@reddit
Visa rules still apply, even to someone like Kanye West. If he applies for it or his management applies for the Visa, he's still responsible for it under Live Nation contract, if this is indeed true.
RecentTwo544@reddit
Like I say, not entirely sure and obviously don't know at all in this particular instance, but it can vary.
Imagine you're a mid-tier DJ who had a hit in the 90s, and when not ranting about conspiracy theories or other more popular artists stealing your tracks on social media, you get booked in some random country. Lets call it Krakozhia. The contract is done, signed, all dealt with, but then before the show there's a government coup and no one is allowed into the country. The promoter argues it isn't his fault, but also agrees contractually it isn't the artist's fault either as they had nothing to do with the issue that caused them not to be allowed into the country.
Obviously this is a less extreme example, but it is a much bigger name artist, and I imagine lawyers on both sides are going to be arguing over it for a long time.
franki-pinks@reddit
I wonder why Pepsi pulled out now when they’ve sponsored shows he’s been at three times in the past couple of months…
atomic_mermaid@reddit
We obviously revolted at the idea more than the americans. They didn't pull out from the goodness of their heart or because they had morals.
Educational-Way-7596@reddit
Or the dutch, french, spanish, italians, mexicans, koreans etc etc. He's booked all around the world not just America. UKs the only one to get upset.
OnlymyOP@reddit
The Festival was being held a few miles from one of London's largest Jewish Communities so even when it was announced it considered as being in bad taste.
Pepsi more than likely saw this and how much controversy it would stir up.
Bacon4Lyf@reddit
They definitely didn’t foresee anything, they fully approved it until a couple days ago
maersyl@reddit
There’s got to be a Coca Cola vs Pepsi joke here.
franki-pinks@reddit
Ahh fair enough.
gagagagaNope@reddit
The sponsorship was their profit.
That's now gone.
Jean_Genet@reddit
He was headliner all 3 nights. People attending were pretty much going to be attending for that reason. They put literally all their eggs in one rotten basket.
bahumat42@reddit
They positioned him as their top headliner for all 3 days.
I think that would be hard to change on short notice.
Not to mention the sponsors.
Dizzy-Dimension3776@reddit
He was booked to headline all three days. They'd struggle to replace one headliner let alone three. Plus majority of the ticket sold were for him
ReddereDonum@reddit
It feels like this edition of Wireless was built around Ye. Festivals take months and months of planning and organisation. All the merch, materials and marketing as well would be built around that.
It would take immense effort to course correct now. You would also still have to deal with all the drama, criticism and backlash for booking Kanye in the first place while this was going on. And would need to get the sponsors back or get new ones. Seems like a lot of meetings and a lot of work.
Reminded me that Strawberries and Cream festival either didn't have the time or didn't have the budget to reprint their merch when Lil Wayne was banned by Priti Patel so all the hoodies, t-shirts etc. said Lil Wayne in huge letters lol
AngryGardenGnomes@reddit
Did you mean Kanye?
ReddereDonum@reddit
No it was Lil Wayne, he was replaced by Ludacris short notice at Strawberries and Cream festival when Priti Patel banned his entry a few years back.
Djinjja-Ninja@reddit
After Pepsi pulled out, I would guess that they were thinking they'd get alternative sponsors from the extra publicity.
Now no Kanye, no good publicity.
Fun-Brush5136@reddit
All these people thinking a corporate festival needs more publicity, like they are a struggling indie act or something
Lopsided_Snower@reddit
Idiot promoters, idiot headliner and mostly idiot attendees, there are much better ways to spend your time and money
AirlineSevere7456@reddit
It was the sponsors who pulled out that caused it more than the headline act.
The same sponsors who knew Kanye was on the bill, suddenly got a conscious...
Rastapopolos-III@reddit
This was the linup...
Evening-Web-3038@reddit
Thought that was an image of a gravestone for a moment (it would have been very fitting!)
kwolat@reddit
What is it, because I thought it was a grave stone too!🤣
SpudFire@reddit
Footprint from one of those awful shoe designs of his?
288756985@reddit
Might be a toilet seat
Alternane@reddit
Commenting to find out what it is. I had assumed gravestone at a glance, now I look at it again. I've no idea
Original_Bad_3416@reddit
A rat hole
invisibleredditor2@reddit
I thought this was a weird April Fools joke because I saw this on April 1st. I didn't realise it was real until all this news...
Dull_Hawk9416@reddit
I get why people despise him. But at what point does someone get a second chance? I absolutely hate cancel culture. How are people supposed to get forgiveness and move forward
katspike@reddit
There's a big difference between being given a second-chance, and being paid £££££ to headline a three-day festival in the middle of a Jewish community, which is currently being subjected to anti-semitism attacks.
Kanye might have changed, but what if his far-right and white supremacist fanbase show up, or Islamist extremists? There is a massive religious war going on at the moment if you hadn't noticed.
MisterrBitches@reddit
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t blame them for cancellation of the festival. HOWEVER, It does bother me that it seems like everyone is cool with Ye saying slavery is a choice, black people deserved to be enslaved, he dressed up as a KKK member, wore a white lives matter shirt mocking the blm movement and George Floyd’s death, plus more but the moment he mentions stuff about Jews THATS what gets him permanently cancelled🤨. The thing is nobody even mentions all the other stuff they just mention the stuff he said about Jewish people. It just feels very one sided. Plus I definitely think the guy is very mentally ill. Everyone fake acts like they care about mental illness until it becomes offensive, then it’s to hell with them. ted talk over… steps off 🧼📦
katspike@reddit
Everyone complained at the time, and I've seen plenty of UK-based news articles talking about the stuff you mentioned, but the ban is not merely about being offensive, it is about public safety.
Wireless Festival is surrounded by Jewish communities. Synagogues, nurseries and Jewish ambulances have been attacked nearby. The US and Netanyahu's govt are currently waging a religious war, and putting Jews across the world at risk. This is the most pertinent and volatile issue at the moment.
The official current terrorism threat-level in the UK is substantial - an attack is likely
msoul2@reddit
My thoughts exactly. But folks are not ready for that convo.
Emergency_Mistake_44@reddit
Fully agreed. I don't see this happening if his historical comments had been about Islam.
InsurancePurple4630@reddit
Yep, it's a shame no-one wants to have the conversation- just downvotes
MisterrBitches@reddit
Not sure why people are downvoting this?
LJA0611@reddit
They won’t find any other headliner who will sell tickets in such short time.
They were using the same approach as last year when Drake played every night, and they barely had any other acts of note really.
Less a festival, more just a Kanye gig. Don’t think any other acts had even been announced yet.
MissingLink101@reddit
I used to love Wireless back in the day, there would be dozens of rock, indie and dance acts in Hyde park on 3 or 4 stages. Remember seeing the Strokes headline in 2006 with other bands like Super Furry Animals, Bell & Sebastian etc and the next year The White Stripes headlined with Queens of the Stone Age on just before them.
I think it was Daft Punk's last UK gig the next night too.
Alecmalloy@reddit
I miss mid-tier Indie/Rock festivals. Reading isn't for me anymore, and most of the festival that really only caters to my tastes these days is Victorious, which is fantastic but usually sells out pretty quick, or ones like Kendall Calling which are miles away.
Heavy-Implement2665@reddit
This!
Wireless used to be so much fun, with such a variety of acts.
In 2009 we had Kanye West and Basement Jaxx headlining. In 2010, it was P!nk, LCD Soundsystem, and Jay Z In 2011, it was Black Eyed Peas, Chemical Brothers and Pulp. In 2012, it was Rihanna, Drake, and Deadmau5.
It always felt like there was a more pop/mainstream/dance day, a more r&b day, and a more indie day, and there was something for everyone.
Since 2017, it’s felt very samey, aimed at a very different demographic and they’ve had the same artists year after year.
ImpressionOdd4801@reddit
This feels pretty coded to me
Psychological-Bag272@reddit
Yeah, I checked their website and it's literally just Ye all 3 nights. No other names.
LongLostFan@reddit
That surprises me. Because I am pretty sure Kanye West hasn't been popular for a long time.
Gold Digger, Touch The Sky and Diamonds Are Forever (i guess his three biggest songs) are probably older than most the festival attendees.
What next? 3 nights headlined by Bone Thugs-n-Harmony.
DesignFar6251@reddit
So basically you don't have a clue, but you're "pretty sure"... Clown
LongLostFan@reddit
I'd constantly hear those songs on the radio and on music video channels.
Since then the only time I've heard his name is in tabloid news.
DesignFar6251@reddit
So yeah, you don't have a clue then. I don't know what year you think it is, but radio and music channels aren't exactly a measurement of popularity anymore.
He has constantly been, and still is, one of the most streamed artists on multiple platforms.
Gold Digger is probably one of his 'biggest' songs, but the other two aren't.
HalfAlive_@reddit
Radio and music video haven’t been relevant for at least a decade
ImpressionOdd4801@reddit
You’re 12
MrBigJams@reddit
Kanye is still a huge artist. His post donda stuff has obviously fallen off a lot, but he's still regularly in the top 5 streamed artists on Spotify
SnooozeFezt@reddit
Yep. They were pretty much banking on him to sell tickets with a bunch of 'support artists'. Without him there was essentially no show.
Curious_Orange8592@reddit
They should've booked Bob Vylan as his replacement
ima_twee@reddit
He didn't appear out of thin air. He lives heeeere
klymers@reddit
Last year for 3 nights of Drake, they only announce the other acts like a week before. The selling point was Drake and this year its Kanye. Nothing else really mattered.
clrthrn@reddit
Sponsors pulled out but even if they came back onboard, finding another headliner could be an issue. Who wanted to be second choice to a bloke who releases songs called Heil Hitler?
YarnPenguin@reddit
He's was headlining all three days, so it's more like losing all three headliners. They put all their eggs in a volatile basket and then looked surprised when it collapsed.
Also, I bet it's easier to cancel and refund and go through insurance than to scrabble for 1-3 new headliners at short notice.
GlumAd9856@reddit
They probably have an insurance scheme that allows them to cancel in these circumstances and be compensated for anything they would have lost. If they tried to replace Kayne that might have invalidated that option and they would have taken on the risk that the festival ends up losing money.
mrsbergstrom@reddit
It’s not really a festival, it’s a relatively small park with one stage and one headliner, basically just a three night Kanye residency so with no Kanye it’s kind of nothing. It’s not like Glastonbury where literally millions of people try to buy tickets before a lineup is even announced
myuseridisliam@reddit
Excellent background knowledge peeps, I wondered the same as the OP.
Feel sorry for folks who wanted to see other acts.
Guess they made a nit of money on ticket interest too.
terryjuicelawson@reddit
Basically, he was the festival. It is not like Glastonbury where they have fifty stages and multiple top artists and support acts they can replace a single headliner with. He was doing all three slots, and I don't think anyone else had even been announced. Who else could fill in? Anyone decent has their own bookings.
RefurbedRhino@reddit
Because he was a headliner for every night, not just one performance, so they need to find a big enough artist or artists for all nights at a time when most will already have their summer tour or festival schedule locked down. Very costly negotiation.
Add that to major sponsors pulling out, leaving them with less money to negotiate.
mrdiscopop@reddit
The festival’s model last year was that they booked Drake and he essentially co-curated the lineup. A lot of the performers during the day then appeared with Drake during his set. If the same set-up was in place this year, losing Kanye effectively meant losing the whole line-up.
Further to that, it’s only three months until the festival takes place. Most artists’ schedules are already locked for the summer. Finding a new headliner, never mind three, would be almost impossible - especially for a festival like Wireless, which tends to draw its talent from abroad.
zonked282@reddit
He was heading all 3 nights, without him there wasn't much of a festival anyway
CrossRoadChicken@reddit
He could do it over zoom. Wirelessly you could say
Shawn_The_Sheep777@reddit
They’ve cancelled and will refund tickets. Simple. If they carried on without the headline act would they refund in full people who only wanted to see Kanye? What about those who still want to attend but don’t get to see a headline act? It would all get very messy. Cancelling is the cleanest, easiest option.
Practical-March-6989@reddit
Because this fiasco will have cost them more than what they would recoup.
GotYourBigPlateAlan@reddit
I bet he was cheap as no one wants him after his recent lunacy. Maybe Wireless are struggling financially and couldn’t afford to replace him for a similar calibre ‘artist’ that would cost significantly more.
dallasp2468@reddit
I think they saw the mosh pit video at his other concert and realised they had bitten off more than they could chew
https://youtube.com/shorts/AOw0vP8_qpk?si=iBC8npGnl9Bxw1g8
ams3000@reddit
Sponsors and knock on effect for other artists agreeing. That’s never going to help sell tickets.
PM-me-puppietax@reddit
Insurance job
wanderingunicorn1@reddit
They had no headliner and no sponsors
Longjumping-Play-269@reddit
Because Pepsi pulled out
Cultural-Meaning5172@reddit
Cancel*
nickosef@reddit
Because nobody can replace YE
Big_Comfortable4256@reddit
Yeezy come. Yeezy go.
marquoth_@reddit
Sponsors had already pulled out and they didn't have any other acts. Without him there's no festival left to save.
Which serves them right really. If they'd not booked him in the first place they wouldn't have lost their sponsors and they'd have been able to get other acts instead of him.
The entire thing is a giant unforced error.
margielamazza@reddit
not really. there arent any a list artists currently touring or wanting to. and those artists would have already done wireless/coachella/own tour/glasto etc. they would have tried others but they were left with only one A list artist. they cant wheel out dave and whomever to perform
nonsequitur__@reddit
They lost a load of sponsors because of it too, so perhaps it wasn’t financially viable or insurance would only pay out if the whole thing had to be cancelled - just speculation - I have no real idea.
aquariusangst@reddit
He pulled out already???
EUskeptik@reddit
The festival was cancelled because so many major sponsors pulled out.
-oo-
According-Let3541@reddit
I also wonder if the festival was depending on the pre-sales income to fund everything else. Cancelled headliner = refunds = no cash flow.
ReySpacefighter@reddit
Why did they cancel.
Danielharris1260@reddit
I think people are underestimating how difficult it actually is to replace a headliner this late, especially for something like Wireless.
We’re talking about April for a July festival that might sound like a decent gap, but for A-list artists, their schedules are locked in months (sometimes over a year) in advance. It’s not just about finding someone “available” either they need to be free, willing to do it, and the festival has to be able to afford them at short notice, which usually means a higher fee which I’m sure if not helped but the fact they lost many of their sponsors.
On top of that, these artists don’t just show up there’s a whole production behind them. Crews, staging, rehearsals, logistics, sometimes even visa and travel arrangements. That all takes time to organise properly.
And then there’s the audience expectation. People are paying £300–£400+ for the weekend. Whether you like Kanye or not, he’s a massive global name. Replacing him with someone smaller even a big UK artist would feel like a downgrade to a lot of people, especially if it’s someone they could see for a lot cheaper on a normal tour in a place like Sheffield or Bristol.
Danielharris1260@reddit
I will say regardless of your opinion on the ban the Wireless organisers were very bold having him headline and thinking it wouldn’t cause that controversy and not even having a back not sure what they were thinking .
WhatsThePlanPhil95@reddit
The people that go to those things are okay with antisemitism and so they thought him being there would make it uncancellable
EvilTaffyapple@reddit
He was headlining every day - hard to come back from that
BillynBanjo@reddit
Headlining every day and also the only act announced so far.
Basically everyone that bought tickets would have done so to see Kanye West.
MattyFTM@reddit
He was headlining all three days and there were no other acts announced. He was the show and without him, there is no show.
Emitime@reddit
I think for that kind of festival you're probably booking headliners over a year in advance. Maybe you can do an emergency (expensive) last minute replacement for one night, but 3 sounds improbable.
Equivalent_Half883@reddit
I don't think they would have got someone else to do all three days in short notice, that would sell tickets.
dutchpinkje@reddit
Isn’t it because they lost the sponsors too?
CuntyMcFartflaps@reddit
More than anything, it'll be the lack of alternatives. The festival was due to take place just three months from now - and they suddenly need to find either another headliner who can cover all three nights, or three different acts. In each case, the acts need to be big enough to warrant the headline slot AND free to both play and prepare for a massive gig that takes place barely twelve weeks from now. These acts don't exist - we're about to hit festival season, and even in a Glastonbury fallow year, any act worth the spot will have made their plans for the summer months ago.
ryanstarman123@reddit
Apparently it's because the people sponsoring the event did so specifically for Kanye so once we got denied they dropped out
FelisCantabrigiensis@reddit
I think you'll find that the major sponsors dropped out before Kanye got denied entry.
Rastapopolos-III@reddit
This was the linup...
Ill-Manufacturer-456@reddit
Fill in the gaps- Wireless festival, eggs,one basket.
ding_0_dong@reddit
Resurrection of Kneecap. God they're so obvious
AdministrativeLaugh2@reddit
They need a new headline sponsor and a new headline act. It’s easier to just cancel it, absorb the bad PR and come back next year when people have forgotten.
stampmanf12020@reddit
A mixture of loss of sponsors and no back up headliners. There isn’t that bigger pool of replacements to choose from.
abgc161@reddit
I’m guessing because several sponsors have now pulled out and they would have to refund many tickets even if it went ahead so easier to just cut their losses
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