Because the company and its purported mission (clean energy cars and other novel tech work) are good. Musk is a rich idiot who didn’t actually found the products of said company.
People are too caught up in their agenda to give credit when it's due. He might be a rich idiot, but he is still a rich idiot that is personally invested in the success of these projects for his own dreams.
He is about the only billionaire seriously pushing private space industry and supporting Nasa is so many ways. That is nothing to scoff at.
Except NASA doesn't build rockets? It contracts them out. If the money went to NASA, they would just give it to SpaceX to develop their launch capabilities. Like what's happening with the Human Landing System that is meant to take astronauts down to the moon.
Musk revolutionized digital payments, electric cars, space travel, internet access (reach), and if I had to guess, Neuralink will be a game changer before it is all said and done.
That is one titan of industry who revolutionized at least 3 industries and may have another 1 or 2 to go. It is hard to fathom and yet the hoi polloi act like he is just some guy who got lucky.
Same thing with trump getting a loan for a million dollars from his father to start out. Some people act like anyone can turn that into billions but they are the same people that if they had that million they would have a warehouse full of labubus believing they are going to make it big.
As opposed to Musk, who only wasted a bunch of time and money on the Boring Company only to come up with ‘roads but underground and much shittier’ while China continues to crush the US in high-speed rail?
You're assuming the Boring Company failed, when it did exactly what Musk wanted it to do: sabotage California's efforts to invest in actual, high-capacity public transit for the benefit of the car industry.
So, first, you're assuming he wanted to sabotage California high-speed rail, while it's entirely possible he just thought it was a bad idea. (I also think it's a bad idea, for the record.)
Second, you're assuming Boring Company has otherwise failed.
Third, so you're saying he succeeded with three or four?
You think high-speed rail networks are a bad idea? And yes, the Boring Company has broadly failed.
They've lost multiple contracts to people that actually know what they're doing when it comes to tunneling, keep proposing new tunnels that never go anywhere, the Vegas Loop has been 'intermittendly drilling' for seven years now with its biggest result being massive OSHA violations and an illegal dumping scandal. The only reason Vegas Loop is even functional is that it's being heavily subsised, all so you can get a 'traffic clearing solution' that still gets backed up with traffic.
SpaceX is Musk's biggest success and that largely comes off the back of actually competent engineers and a team capable of jingling their keys in front of Elon's face to distract him whenever he has another harebrained scheme.
You think high-speed rail networks are a bad idea?
Yes.
They've lost multiple contracts to people that actually know what they're doing when it comes to tunneling, keep proposing new tunnels that never go anywhere, the Vegas Loop has been 'intermittendly drilling' for seven years now with its biggest result being massive OSHA violations and an illegal dumping scandal. The only reason Vegas Loop is even functional is that it's being heavily subsised, all so you can get a 'traffic clearing solution' that still gets backed up with traffic.
This all sounds like "they're not profitable yet and they haven't succeeded, therefore they've failed". I don't accept that definition; there's a lot of room between success and failure, and many companies remain unprofitable for a very long period of time.
SpaceX is Musk's biggest success and that largely comes off the back of actually competent engineers and a team capable of jingling their keys in front of Elon's face to distract him whenever he has another harebrained scheme.
Actual SpaceX employees say that Elon Musk is heavily involved in development.
If you read Elon’s tweets and actually think that is a person involved in Space X development then you’re the epitome of ignorance is bliss. Elon wants to pretend he is involved, and Space X employees let him play pretend because he is a toddler with money. It happens in pretty much every major company run by egomaniacs. Goal is good, and they want to keep being funded, let them stroke his ego but don’t let it get to your head man
So why is it that actual employees say he's involved?
You're trying to build this giant conspiracy around this, where somehow he's an idiot but also incredibly rich and successful. And people say "ah, but money", ignoring the fact that vast numbers of people who started out much richer than Elon Musk end up far far less successful. And this is somehow so well-known that everyone in SpaceX and Tesla is hiding it, but somehow so hidden that nobody outside those companies know it, but simultaneously so well-known that you know it.
I'm sorry but this does not pass any sniff test.
There are literal tens of millions of millionaires in the US, and almost none of them are going to become as rich as Elon Musk. Whatever's going on is not some giant millionaire conspiracy.
Most companies who make a single minimum viable product and then spend the next seven years eating shit with very little to show for it are, in fact, failed companies. Elon being able to funnel buckets of cash into his vanity projects isn't a sign of success, it's a sign that he's one of the richest people on the planet.
But, regardless, that's really all I have to say on this front. We could go back and forth about what constitutes a success vs a failure for the next three weeks without any real resolution, and since we clearly fundementally disagree on this argument, I don't feel the urge to spend hundreds of words trying to convince someone over the internet.
Most companies who make a single minimum viable product and then spend the next seven years eating shit with very little to show for it are, in fact, failed companies.
Yes. Most companies, in general, fail.
But that doesn't mean you can point to a single company in the middle of the R&D process and say "this has failed". You'll be right most of the time and spectacularly wrong occasionally; you would have been one of the people claiming that Amazon, SpaceX, Netflix, and Spotify were "failures".
Supposing they didn't just go ahead and waste it on dumb shit. Or even smart shit. The will to create great giant things is not in all of us that is for sure.
He is about the only billionaire seriously pushing private space industry
Famously, he is not. Bezos' Blue Origin and even Branson's Virgin Galactic are both very much private space ventures. In the case of Bezos and Musk it almost seems like once you have long enough a streak sitting on top the "world's richest" chart you unlock the Rockets add-on for dick measuring contests.
Musk gave it a much needed kick in the pants. Blue Origin is a 26-year-old company and it took them 15 years to launch anything. Space X was founded in 2002 and their first launch was 4 years later.
He's the only one who's been successful for practical non-vanity missions. Musk is putting useful satellites in orbit and getting astronauts to the ISS. The others are either stuck doing test flights still or giving Katy Perry a bigger head
My only argument that Musks satellitss are not a positive thing even if useful, especially his stsrlink sidequest is quantity over quality solution, one that solves problem of today (that was yesterday), but causes bigger problems fortomorrow.
Some of these problems we already encounter today and theyll only get worse. Like putting shit ton of satelites in low orbit, for whicb Nasa has to take in to account when going to the moon or ISS... or visual smog through satelites just covering the stars.
The quantity of satellites he's putting up was chosen for important technical reasons that are the difference between the fairly normal ping of starlink and the insane ~2s latency of traditional geostationary satellites.
The orbital clutter problem wasn't his invention and is something we'll have to solve regardless of whether he launches satellites or not. Thankfully it's much less of a problem than you'd think both because we already have tracking for basically all objects over a certain size and because anything in low earth orbit has an orbital decay rate that is pretty high compared to anything further out.
Willful ignorance. Project Kuiper / Amazon Leo is basically the same concept as Starlink, and more importantly, getting Katy Perry and other celebrities to fuck off from the entire planet is for the good of the world. The crime was bringing her back.
Exactly this. Tesla for the electric vehicles, SpaceX for rockets, mainly the part where they land themselves for another use, that was huge..
The boring company to drill tunnels, and I think there was another one that completely failed attached to it, a hyperloop perhaps?
The man lost all my respect over the years, but he did start off as a respectable dude trying his best to push us further into technological advancements.
The fact people went from endlessly glazing him to actting like everything he does is set trash on fire show the true shallowness of their own thinking.
A normal person would have a reasonable balanced take, celebrating the good and condemning the bad, but people just went to "hating the MF for everything else he does" which shows that there was never a higher level of thinking other than being told that he was bad and accepting it.
I don't need a higher level of thinking to know he's a dude who bought his way into the wealth he has now and throws Nazi salutes. He's a bad dude, that's all there is to it.
I mean Im not gonna sit here and write down every bad thing the guy has ever done. The way he's used his wealth to do bad things. I don't know what you want me to say lol.
I do agree my emotions are in play because I loathe the ultra wealthy. They are a stain on the human race.
Teslas have always been kinda shitbuckets due to the lack of quality control and scope creep (GULL WING DOORS!) but they did popularize EVs and made a fast charging network that was not complete shit.
SpaceX is very much the real deal even though Musk is contemptible.
Ok you can give credit to the original owners of Tesla that Musk pushed out soon after investing, but very decidedly every thing since under Musk's management is not good, and just has been a continual series of lies and half-truths all while the time Musk violated employment laws.
Teslas are the farthest thing from clean energy cars lmao. Lithium mines are just about the most polluting thing out there, not to mention electricity also pollutes. An old shitbox from the 90’s that gets 25-30mpg is better for the environment than EV’s.
Not really, unless it's the size of a power plant or large ship. Add the losses you get from charging the EV battery (10-15%) and any benefit the generator has from running at a consistent operating point is probably lost.
Not by a huge margin though, (diesel) car engines can hit 35-40% efficiency at cruising speed and a power plant might be around 45-50%. Add back grid losses (~5%) and charging losses (~10-15%) for the EV and I'm pretty confident that it's a wash.
Newsflash, hydrogen powered cars are the cleanest cars currently possible but they can’t make that because it wouldn’t line the pockets of billionaires.
They aren’t made because hydrogen is expensive to produce and dangerous/impossible to contain on a good day, way less safe when contained on a 2,000lbs hunk of steel traveling at 60mph. Car crashes are dangerous enough when you aren’t sitting on an actual, constantly-leaking bomb.
Fun fact: Large combustion engines (like generators and power plants) are much more efficient than billions of tiny shitty cheap engines. As for the lithium mining, that wasn’t even true when that claim was new 6 years ago, and we’ve gotten cleaner with it since then specifically because of public concerns.
At the very least most cars should transition to being hybrids.
You're probably trolling, but for others, you have to look at the full life cycle of a vehicle. EVs produce more CO2 during manufacturing (~10 tons) due to what you stated vs ICE (~5). The tradeoff is in the rest of its life cycle, even if you are living in a US state that produces the dirtiest electricity (I think WV), it's still ~50% less CO2 than an equivalent amount of gas. So depending on how much you drive, you can overcome that ~5 ton difference in a year or 2. Over the life of the cars, an ICE vehicle can emit 60 tons of CO2, vs an EV of 25-30 tons.
I will say that, in most cases, buying a used ICE car is going to be more environmentally friendly than buying a new EV.
You're aware that the lithium for a battery only has to be mined once, right? And that it doesn't disappear when you discharge the battery? And that the lithium in old batteries can be almost completely recovered?
Also, I'm sure you're aware that generators generally increase in efficiency and pollutant capture with size. And that the existence of a few diesel-powered EV chargers doesn't discount all the chargers that don't use low-efficiency fossil fuels. And that the alternative to a fossil-fuel burning EV charger is... Several fossil-fuel burning ICE vehicles (which are not only less efficient but also spread pollutants over a wide area).
What's great about EVs is that every single infastructure environmental issue you listed is something which can be improved, unlike ICE vehicles which fundementally burn gas to function. Takeing gas burners off the road and replacing them with EVs means everything we do to make the grid cleaner also makes transport cleaner. Also as other commentors said, power plants and generators burn fossil fuels more efficently than cars, even accounting for transmission losses.
You are correct that right now buying a used car is more enviornmentally friendly, but are ignoring that used cars need to come from somewhere, and that new EVs are more environmentally friendly than new ICE cars, and this is getting more true all the time.
You seem like you're probsbly just team ban cars, which will never get voter aproval in countries like the us.
The important thing to realize is that it takes large amounts of electricity to make gasoline and other fuels. Cutting out the middleman by just charging vehicles directly from the grid is much better than using large amounts of power from our grid and crops from our fields to produce a purely disposable resource.
I still like the idea he's doing all his stupider antics to convince the crowd he's in now that the best way to "cuck the libs" is by driving EVs and supporting space research.
Even though it's not true, it makes his whole schtick more entertaining now that you view it as someone trying their hardest to do a bad impression.
Makes sense. The people who despise Elon these days are generally the type that are willing to adjust their views when presented with information they didn't have previously
I once said Dave Chappelle was the greatest thinker of our time... I mean, even if you're totally on board with all the anti-trans stuff I still think I pretty significantly oversold him.
People are allowed to change their mind and be wrong is my point.
It's also literal fucking rocket science, remember when they caught the booster? Reddit loved that shit for like a week. They don't care about doge anymore either
You can celebrate a scientific achievement while still understand the man who owns the company is an ass. SpaceX is amazing even if musk himself isn't.
See this is the problem. At the time, reddit celebrated Musk for these achievements. He was one of the most popular figures on the platform.
Now, instead of simply saying "yeah, we liked him until he said and did all that bad stuff, and now we don't like him", Redditors are intent on pretending they never said a good word about him. Why can't we just admit that we liked him before but don't in light of his more recent actions? I think it's because most people on this app can't entertain the idea that they were wrong about somebody, because it opens them up to the idea that their current idols might not be the brilliant perfect people they think they are
I never liked him, his cars were predicated on lies and hype from the get go. He willingly ignored basic car manufacturing methods that would have only benefited his production of cars, and to this day have safety flaws in them that make me wary of even stepping in one.
From an engineering standpoint they're badly designed piles of shit that miraculously function. This was before the mask was fully off that he's a drug addict wannabe Nazi.
As for the rest of Reddit that may not have been familiar with Automotive interests, yeah a large group of them probably did take him at his word.
Getting downvoted for what was very much a common opinion back then lol, I thought the same thing Tesla’s were always dumb to me, don’t get me started on the stupid ass tablet and broken ass doors. But redditors want to take us all down with them that we were all fanboys, nah just yall lol
I think people just don't want to accept that both can be true - they can like SpaceX for what it is doing and they can hate Musk for what he is doing.
I think it is just easier to accept the good parts of someone or something instead of hating on them blindly. Credit where credit is due.
there's also a possibility that the userbase has changed and grown since then and now we have a bunch of gen alpha on here who grew up always hearing how he was awful and a bunch of millenials who finally stopped browsing the reddit front page daily
I remember he began to unravel the day he accused the diver in Thailand of being a .pdf file because he didn't believe Elon could invent a magic submarine overnight that wouldn't get stuck in the cave or simply drown everybody
Do people deny that he wasn't loved by most people? I know some individual people here and there will say "I never liked him", but as a whole, it's fairly common knowledge that reddit used to love musk, then did did and said bad stuff, and now they don't.
Have you read this thread? Half of the comments are saying they never liked him and only celebrated SpaceX’s accomplishments, which is complete bullshit lmao
If people do deny that most people liked Musk, I find it very strange. He absolutely had great PR leading up to like... 2018 or whatever before he called the rescue guys pedos and then started going off the rails with what he was posting. My personal theory is that he had a literal PR team helping him figure out what to post and what to appear in (e.g. appear in iron man or big bang theory etc) and after that 2018 2019 period he started YOLOing his shit and causing enough of a stir that people dug into his going-ons and realized that he's just some rich shmuck asshole.
I am proud to say I've been a hater since the beginning and there is proof of such, first time I ever heard of him was when he did his stupid stunt trying to fake invent a submarine to save those children and then threw a hissy fit when someone told him that that was stupid
You can’t point this out without being accused of dickriding him, but SpaceX and Tesla have been two of the most transformative companies in the history of the world.
Tesla single handed started the electric car revolution. They made it cool and their success broke down the doors and spurred the entire rest of the industry. Before Tesla, it was a niche market and people would only buy a Toyota Prius or Nissan Leaf as a favor to the environment.
SpaceX revolutionized spaceflight by doing it privately for pennies on the dollar. Prior to SpaceX, we were totally dependent on Russia to launch humans into space. We didn’t have another viable alternative ready to go for a decade and they would have had us by the balls, able to cut us off from the ISS if we sanctioned them.
Inb4 “muh government grants”. The government had been throwing money at these problems for decades to no avail. This grant money was available to any other company that could do the job, but they couldn’t.
The government is still throwing money at the problem. It just throws it at SpaceX now that Musk can lobby for it.
Before SpaceX, the government threw far less money because "owned the Commies, now give us tax cuts" was the thinking among lobbists.
Doesn't change that SpaceX did revolutionary advancements of course, but the government could have done them too. The government did it all the way till the Shuttle.
Redditors are fake progressivism. People now are talking about how shitty American politics is yet bent over backwards to defend voting democrat to defeat the republicans despite them having no position other than maintaining the status quo.
The thing that drives me insane is that he is not a rocket scientist. He didn't build the engine, he probably made high level decisions that his talented engineers spoon fed him so he made the "right" choice and could feel important.
He wasn't even a major contributor to PayPal, and that's the only thing he's ever actually worked on.
I still think he’s funny. At the end of the day having been liked I feel like it’s still a giant flex for one of the world‘s richest people.
I don’t think there was ever a time that anyone ever said that Mark Zuckerberg was cool
At least I thought that the things that musk put his time into were funny.
Well, yeah, whenever that type of shit would happen with him calling that Navy seal a pedophile whenever he wanted to use a submarine to save those kids that were trapped I feel like it’s indicative of a larger issue
It was so insane because he was still a horrible person back then, and was insanely cringe online. But Reddit only cared once he went with Trump. Looking back on everything the Trump admin has done Elon looks like a saint by comparison
I mean it’s Reddit if your anti trump you can legit tout that bill kristol is a good guy and people will agree and Elon did seem more dem at one point. I read about space xs designs from actual scientists and it’s mostly junk satellite launch platforms. It’s why musk is holding on to trump so tightly he doesn’t want to lose those sweet government contracts.
To be fair, he hadn't broken all of his promises yet back then. Also, conservatives used to HATE him because his electric vehicles were threatening the precious oil industry.
Honestly, it's because EVs are genuinely a good thing, and Tesla pushed the tech forward a fuckton. Tesla becoming a legit company caused other car manufacturers to step up their EV game
Unfortunately I was one of them. Here's the thing, back then he was just this mysterious dude who kept putting out these innovative ideas and awesome products.
It all started to go wrong when he got into a twitter beef with a British diver who was rescuing Thai kids stuck in a cave. After that his shitty personality became front and centre, followed by people starting to wake up to the fact that most of his ideas were full of shit.
The smarts ones jumped ship and the idiots stayed on, that's why his fans are so damn toxic these days.
Well yeah, before he was a dorky guy who built cars and rockets, then he took a load of Ket and started throwing nazi salutes. Shocked people don't still support him
I was one of the people who foolishly thought he was going to do great things. It wasn't until he picked a fight with the teacher that was helping save the kids stuck in the flooded cave that he turned me off of supporting him.
Tesla deserves a lot of the glaze, though. Not the cybertruck. That piece of shit was garbage from day 1. However, the actual SUV is pretty darn good. My brother and his wife use it and love it. It's pretty good for everything they need to do with their newborn.
tbf, at the time he was just a greedy billionaire making cool cars and rockets, he wasnt a crazy right wing nazi salute making, weird steroid usage looking delusional fool.
People change, and so too did their opinion of him. If my favorite hero or actor did some unredeemable stuff today, id probably change my mind on them too.
I mean, I do think the cars are a good idea, self driving and electric vehicles are definitely things that would make life better. Not a huge fan of Musk himself, or his companies, but I do respect the hell out of the engineers who are pioneering in fields that can make life better for everyone and further science.
I mean that was before he revealed his true self. He used to be quiet apart from some pretty forward thinking visions of the future. Then he threw a hissy fit about the cave rescue thing, and people realized he wasn’t who he claimed to be.
Dude was always a “le Redditor” cringe lord - but back then he was the good kind of cringe lord, the type millennials on this site are up.
With that said, it’s not crazy that if someone worships to a guy (again, the fact that worshiped this “m’lady” ass weirdo is hilarious) and he does a 180, then they stop looking up to him.
That’s how opinions work, they change as new shit comes to light.
He didn’t invent anything with tesla or any other company. Which is why there has always been a loud out speaking group on musk. Because those that say he’s a genius conflate what kind of genius he is and it’s annoying. He is a rich boy with a big network and he’s been really good at being cunning in business. He however is not tony stark, which he wants you to believe. This has always been the case. It has always been the criticism. And you playing revisionist history pisses off the day one haters that see through his shit.
True Anon had a good podcast on his story. Just like you said he was a rich kid from a family who owned e emerald mines or some shit. Had some of his rich family friends suggest where to invest his money like the company that eventually became Tesla (again he didn’t start this company, just bought it). He’s always portrayed himself as an inventor which is hilarious because one only need to look at how insanely expensive and implausible original ideas of his like the hyper loop would be. Hundreds of miles of vacuum sealed underground tunnels? Yeah that’s brilliant. Watching the test track rust away was funny though.
This pisses me off the most. Like 5-6 years ago Reddit was the biggest Elon fanbase on the planet. Understandably lost traction in the last 2 years, but still, same people claiming he was an amazing super genius have completely 180’d. It’s almost like people who claim to hate politics pay attention to politics the most.
Me when I learn new information about something and change my opinion about that thing(this is impossible and clearly everyone is just jumping on bandwagons)
I'd hope that people's opinions on someone they admire change if that person ends up being a despicable human. Otherwise they'd just be in a cult of personality wouldn't they? Wish the world had a lot more people willing to swallow their pride.
Republicans were glazing Bush until he said Trump is a threat to US. Mike Pence was a respected conservative Vice President until he followed the law and withheld US constitution over Trump's coup attempt.
Tesla cars are legitimately not bad at all lmao. My ex had one and I really enjoyed driving it, she got it for like $42K brand new too. They depreciate like crazy so there are lots of used steals on them too
Because Musk had an entire personal PR team literally working 24/7 through numerous alt accounts across all social media sites propping up and whitewashing his image. Around the time he bought Twitter he fired them, I guess he started drinking their Kool-Aid it started believing that people actually like him of their own volition.
The first time I heard of him was the “Elongated Muskrat” meme in 2017, then the next time I heard about him was when he called a rescue diver a pedophile cause he didn’t get to be a hero with his super cool submarine and that pretty much set the tone till the present day
His colossal regardation aside, Tesla forced a massive change on the car market. Even if it doesn't want his idea, or product initially, he marketed it. As is always the way, there's better products for less now.
It was so bad Simpsons had an episode all about him. They refuse to even admit that episode exists. People act like these hardcore fans and refuse to admit that Musk’s glazing episode is the worst.
Yeah but that doesn’t account for everything even NASA officials admit they would have cost 10X what SpaceX cost to get the tech. Even 2X would be “Inefficient”. 10X is just system issues.
Very much so. It's quite easy to 'brick shit house' engineer anything, solving problems as you go and overspeccing everything to ensure it's functional. The real skill is producing the same end result with less parts, less material and less complexity.
'anyone can build a bridge, but only an engineer can build a bridge that barely stands'
Raptor 1 started development in 2012, we simply didn't have the tech to handle the pressure at the time, now it's a single pump engine and they removed the gimbaling so its a higher efficiency but less useful engine
I remember watching a video that breaks down the reason why the first gen has so many extra wires/pipes, it's essentially all just sensors to monitor the engine and tubing for direct addition of XYZ to wherever it's needed. Eventually the engineers learned the exact ratios needed, tweaked the design to accommodate, and could safely remove all those extra sensors. Really neat stuff
You can see this stuff in all kinds of tech. Original walkman was relatively big with complex mechanism, very few features and even some bodge wires. Last walkmans made by sony had a motor size of a coin, very simple looking mechanism and were just slightly bigger than a cassette case with everything organized neatly on a circuit board and optimized to the limit.
I used to work for a laptop manufacturer. The "laptop" that we use to validation looks nothing similar to final product. It's look more like "cyberdeck" than your average macbook. Cable everywhere, the hinge is hold together by 2 screws, and you need to loosen the screw to change hinge angle.
His upbringing and behavior haven’t even remotely changed, but as soon as he endorsed Trump Reddit did an immediate 180 lmao. You can hate the guy without being so disingenuous about it
Like this.
I totally hate Musk. Musk is a loser nazi with an ugly face. Just because I mock redditors for once licking the sweat from his feet and now pretending they always hated him, doesn't mean I support him.
I liked Musk before I knew he was a Nazi. I no longer like him.
However, the reasons that I liked him have not changed. I like the advancement of space technology and exploration, and the proliferation of electric vehicles and renewable energy. Just because Elon is the world's 3rd or 4th largest pile of shit doesn't mean I don't still agree with the things he used to stand for.
I mean, of course, but most people certainly looked generally favorably towards him. I did say "liked", not "would shine his shoes with their tongues".
Nothing, changing your opinion based on new information is a sign of not being a drooling simpleton.
Back when he didn't have as much political exposure and was mostly just seen as "cool wacky billionare making flamethrower and electric car" it was fine. Then he started opening his mouth in public and people wised up to how he was a piece of shit pretty fast.
There is a difference between thinking someone is s force for good, and changing their mind to think someone is a force for evil and ‘eating their shit’.
"Omg remember when people liked a dude but now all hate him because they found out he's a piece of shit, nice job sheepies" good job mate, you won reddit, now go back to the basement
Meh if it weren't for Tesla no major western manufacturer would feel pressured to innovate EV's, the fact that he went full regard sucking up his own stocks with robots and AI, stagnating innovation in the automotive field is a different thing
Tesla may have pushed the change, but it was coming regardless. China needed EVs due to their air quality problems, they would have done it without taking a boost from Tesla either way. There is a significant market for EVs in Europe and even in the US, which other companies would have capitalised on if there would be no Tesla, however much people like to pretend the opposite.
So many dumb fucks coming to make this exact comment. He started off with a good mission and had a good public image, but proceeded to fuck it all up because of ketamine, his ego, a few divorces and his kids hating him. Things and people can change, it's not that complicated.
We arent talking about a million we are talking the largest amassed wealth from some of the most difficult sectors ever as well as being on the forefront. He was times person of the yesr until he started pointing out how stupid the narrative is
Someone can be good with money, but be absolutely fucking clueless when it comes to engineering. Musk may run a business, but I bet my left testicle that if you asked him what Navier-Stokes equations are used for, he'd just blue-screen as he has no fucking clue.
Knowing what a Navier-Stokes equation is used for doesn't make you highly intelligent either. Intelligence is complicated and you can't say the richest man in the world is just stupid as the next person, credit were credit is due. Alas, that doesn't make his statements about other topics true.
Most billionaires aren't smart. They just think no one else has had the idea to toss aside their morals to make money, so they think they're geniuses for it, but they're actually just evil
Oops! Just accidentally navigated the most mechanically and operationally complex industries at the same time and made them worth a trillion dollars, silly me
Musk didn't lift a fucking finger to make this happen. This was a team of exploited engineers working on their passion despite being under the thumb of the biggest fucking goober the world has ever known.
I don't give credit to Elon, but the team that actually does the legwork at spacex is astounding. I feel like you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand how the engine on the right is better.
I've heard that airplane interiors are set up like rocket 1 to allow for easy maintenance, which is the only caveat. But i dont know how important maintenance is for a rocket...
Maintenance is absolutely CRITICAL for reusable rockets - even more so than for airplanes. Frankly, I'd argue that it's more important than for all of the other forms of transportation combined. Rockets are not only insanely complex vehicles, but they are subject to extreme operating conditions (crushing G-forces, being smashed with immense dynamic pressure, subject to temperatures hot enough to vaporize you, etc.), and all of the parts have EXTREMELY tight tolerances. Take, for instance, the turbopumps: they spin at anywhere from 20,000 to over 100,000 RPM! If you take something like the space shuttle main engines (the RS-25), which have turbine disks that are about 20cm in diameter and spin at up to 35,000 RPM, the tips of the blades will be subject to approximately 1.34 MILLION m/s\^2 of acceleration, or \~137,000 times earth's gravity. If there is even a microscopic crack in one of those blades, that crack can widen and cause the blade to snap off.
As you might imagine, a blade snapping off at 35,000 RPM is going to cause a LOT of damage. At that speed, with a radius of 10 cm, the tip has a linear speed of about 366.5 m/s, or nearly 820 miles per hour... or roughly Mach 1.06 at sea level. A chunk of metal going Mach 1 inside of a very delicate piece of machinery is going to cause a huge amount of damage, including (but not limited to) the engine violently exploding.
So, yeah, they REALLY need to perform maintenance to the highest degree possible. For sensitive areas like turbopumps, they will examine very square millimeter with X-ray scanners and ultrasound machines to detect microscopic cracks and replace the component before it has a chance to fail.
Well, the actual important rocket parts are obviously present in all 3 of these, so I would have to imagine that most of that "extra" stuff is for sensors and feedback monitoring. Rockets used to be built using a lot of analog stuff like pneumatic circuits and vacuum systems to do all of that, because electronics were expensive and unreliable. But now that they can be re-used, electronics became viable, so they were able to clean up a lot of the stuff to save weight. But I'm not a rocket scientist
Elon may have started the company by putting forward the money and hiring people, but he didn't design any of the rockets. A CEO is not a CTO; he's the guy who herds the shareholders and counts the profit, not having anything to do with the actual research and development. He's great at footing the bill to raise the capital to get things started, and great at somehow convincing the wider public of his utterly insane timeline "predictions" (i.e., how he claimed that Falcon Heavy would be making routine cargo flights to Mars by 2018, or how we'd have our first Mars landing in 2024), but beyond that, he's pretty useless. He's a hype-man with the wallet, nothing more.
Well, if you say it like that then the CTO cannot exist if the CEO is not there - someone hired him and everyone else and got things together. Could the CTO have done it by himself? Yeah, but that's not how it happened. And sure, Musk is a shitty, terrible, hype man but I am giving him credit for starting a thing at a time when nobody was thinking about it, taking all the risks to reach a point where we can finally talk about space as something that finally seems to be within reach.
Why can't people just give some credit where it's due? No one's forcing you to accept Musk completely.
I'm not saying that Musk doesn't succeed at running a business. What I AM saying is that all of the people who treat him like a real-life Tony Stark who's a technological genius and personally engineers all of his companies' products is completely and utterly wrong. Business acumen and engineering prowess are two entirely different skills, and he has none of the latter.
The Tony Stark thing is something that has been taken too far honestly. He certainly is no scientist or Stark but he does seem to have some grasp of the engineering required to run and understand the business. You can have the best CTO but still run things to the ground if you don't understand at least something about your business. Over the years, you will understand a significant portion of it, if not all. Claiming he doesn't know anything at all without any evidence of it doesn't seem to right to me. Again, a bit of credit is not gonna hurt.
Though I will say that anyone who thinks Stark is possible irl is completely dumb.
Good point. The thing everyone glosses over is Musk is amazing at raising capital to do this research and work. If he does nothing else for SpaceX it will be successful. He also clearly has an eye for talent and hiring smart people.
Yes it is, do you honestly think this guy is a rocket scientist/engineer?
Yes he will make decisions presented to him, that’s kind of his job, but he is by no means creating/engineering anything.
Of course the people he pays and controls their future successes in the company will claim Elon is big brain rocket scientist.
I think people know how rocket engines work, same as car engines, it's just that nearly no one can design one more efficient one that the current ones, that's the hard part.
Not true at all. Rocket engines require something being ejected for its velocity to be maintained. Car engines do not as they primarily rely on friction. Since there is no friction in space they have to constantly eject fuel to maintain velocity
Just because Elon owns the title of the company doesn't mean that he had jack shit to do with the engineering process of designing the engine. He's the hype man with the wallet who talks with shareholders and investors, not an aerospace engineer crunching the numbers, working the CAD, and running computational fluid dynamics simulations to optimize the engine.
Honestly, that's better for everyone there. When he does insist on having direct control, it ends up being a catastrophe. Just look at the CyberSuck - while all of the other Tesla cars look like normal cars, the Cybertruck looks like a goddamn dumpster on wheels. He originally pitched it back during the hype before the release of Cyberpunk 2077, but by the time it was actually designed and put into production, the game had been out for half a decade and the hype was gone.
At SpaceX, they literally have a dedicated team of people who act as adult babysitters to keep him occupied and distracting him with things that make him feel involved and in charge, while making sure to steer him away from the actual work so that he doesn't fuck it up.
Wait doesn’t he himself, the people he pays and promote, as well as some podcasters claim he works 18 hour days?
I could have sworn I see a very credible employee of his claim Elon became an expert rocket scientist in one week.
These people could t possibly be fibbing.
I'm not going to defend Musk at all as he had absolutely nothing to do with the development of the Raptor engine.
That said, a rocket engine is nowhere near as simple as "cone that shoots fire with unnecessary wires". Most of what you see there are not wires, but high-pressure pipes. These can carry chilled propellants as part of the regenerative cooling system (where they run the near liquid-nitrogen-temperature propellants through the nozzle to cool it and prevent it from melting), or tap-offs to get a small bit of the propellant that's been heated up into a gas in order to pump it back into the fuel tanks as part of the autogenous pressurization system. Many of the lines there are for various diagnostic sensors that were used during early development, which were removed as those parts were finalized and the monitoring equipment became unnecessary. However, outside of sensor taps, it's nowhere near as simple as "just yank out those cables and pipes"... though I wish it were at times. As an aerospace engineering undergrad, things like turbopump design are murder with how insanely complex it can get, and just how narrow the margins you have.
Nonetheless, the Raptor v3 (the one to the right in the picture) is REMARKABLE in how much they've been able to simplify the engine. It's speculated that it uses a lot of advanced 3D metal printing in order to create internal channels and structures that would otherwise take the form of external lines. I can't speak much more on it than that, as any more detailed information is not available to the public - both due to it being proprietary information, and because rocket engine design is HIGHLY regulated under ITAR and most of it is required to be classified with a secret or top-secret clearance to get all of the details. But, if you look at any of the many, MANY other rocket engines throughout history, the Raptor v3 has to be one of the cleanest, slimmest engines outside of pressure-fed hypergolic engines (which literally only have two valves that you open; the pressurization of the fuel tanks provides the propellant flow).
Give credit where credit is due to the actual engineers at SpaceX who spent hundreds of thousands of man-hours developing this engine - ignore the Apartheid nepo-baby CEO who stumbles in after shooting up a dose of ketamine and tries to take credit for work that he had nothing to do with. Elon isn't an engineer, and barely has an understanding of physics. Anyone who has listened to him ask a question that wasn't pre-scripted with a prepared answer can immediately tell that he doesn't know jack shit, but instead just regurgitates what other people tell him.
Engineers: "Quick, Elon's coming! Throw that plastic piece on the wires right there in the front and call it a safety wiring harness."
Musk walks over to look at the new prototype rocket
EM: "What is the purpose of this?"
-- "It's a Safety Wiring Harness, it keeps the wires safe."
EM: "Yes I know, I was just seeing if you knew. And actually, its redundant here. Remove it."
-- Engineers gasp "My god, how could we have missed that. Thank you for taking the time to help us through the most technical parts of rocket science."
EM: "I have been studying rocketry since birth."
Musk walks off
EM 1: "Isn't that an older piece of the motor casing?"
EM 2: Yes it is. God what a daft cunt. Okay, let's get back to work."
he's probably not across the engineering stuff beyond regular presentations from the team. But to his credit he did allow funding towards engineering so we can have elegant designs like that.
Yeah, he funded it but if someone of the execs are to he believed he's actively funnelled away from positions where he has any say in how the money is used
I'd put my life in the hands of an old car with few parts used to assemble it compared to the new garbage that is covered in hoses wires and sensors, I'd do the same with a rocket engine - fewer parts = fewer things to fail
It’s a good roi for sure, but it becomes far less impressive when you remember connections and insider information are also a side effect of having rich parents
if connections and insider trading could turn $28k into $307 MILLION in 4 fucking years I'm pretty sure there would be quite a few more trillionaires right now haha
don't let your weird anti-elon fetish make you stupid, if everyone who's rich could do what he does, they would. At some point you've gotta give him a bit of credit
It’s almost like the whole reason insider trading is illegal and insider knowledge is such a big advantage is that not everyone can do it. My whole argument is that he’s only successful because of immense luck and privilege.
Also, Elon is only an almost trillionaire because of his connections to Trump allowed him to pull ahead of the rest of the billionaire pack by making the value of his companies explode through incestuous government contracts. Again, connections and privilege.
Also also, I’d say it’s weirder not to dislike Elon at this point, considering he’s a proven Pedophile who begged to party with Epstein. You do you tho.
As someone said below - intelligence isn't just glazing him for everything or hating him for everything. You're allowed to have a nuanced take on everything in life, not just blindly follow whatever reddit believes in any odd year. He's a weirdo who did more with whatever wealth he had than every single other person ever. People are born with literally billions more than he did and do absolutely nothing with it, let alone invest in companies that revolutionize electric cars and commercialize space travel.
There's nothing wrong with saying he's done some really cool stuff and he's also a wierdo you're not expected to like. That's called having a healthy perspective.
Not expecting anything self-aware out of your response but did want to try and tell you that blindly rabidly hating anything because of what the internet tells you isn't healthy.
Elon isn’t particularly smart in general, that’s all I’m saying. Anyone with average intelligence born into his situation could easily recreate his success.
You know, it would sound a lot more honest if you said: "I'm not an Elon Musk fan, but I genuinely believe he is the most intelligent person alive today."
I would suggest that running a multi-billion-dollar company (and more than one, to boot) is orders of magnitude more complex than building and iterating a rocket engine, but what do I know?
It's complex but it's not worth the salaries CEOs are paid. McKinsey was hired in the 70s to write trumped up reports stating that CEOs were underpaid and now here we are.
Having heard Musk speak, he has an eloquent way of explaining simple engineering problems to people who know nothing about said subjects. But when pressed to expand on those subjects, he typically folds, changes the conversation or, and this is a common one, gets things wrong. He has a surface level understanding of most of what his companies do. He is, from almost all accounts you can find, a liability when it comes to actual engineering. I also have a suspicion in regard to his BA(not a BS) in physics on whether he actually earned it.
The man “was” one of the greatest salesman ever, but then he became an addict who literally lives on twitter. I genuinely suspect he fried his fucking brain. Maybe he was different 10 years ago, as that’s what I’ve been told from people with more knowledge, but I don’t know.
Musk tried to fake he is one of the best Diablo IV players.
He went live on stream, and played Diablo IV, claiming he is the fourth best player in the world (or so) and somehow hoped that nobody would pick up that he has no idea what he is doing.
I am not a smart guy, but I cannot fathom how a person that is capable of any amount of rational thought would not immediately discard this idea. I genuinely want to know what he was thinking!
Depends on what you're comparing him to. I think it's safe to say he has great capability at business, even if he was born rich, but he's not an engineer or a technician where he made the products Space X or Tesla are known for. I'm 100% smarter than him socially and emotionally, not to mention in my own professional field.
He may be intelligent at a specific topic but he's not a wise man.
“Reddit used to like him!” Is such a disingenuous argument. Yeah, when people learn more about a person, their views change. It’s become clearer and clearer he’s a piece of shit and guess what? People’s views changed in accordance! Seriously what is this argument even trying to say?
I recall a guy on you tube telling Elon about correcting a certain thing on his rockets, he likes babble something, maybe deflecting, I dunno, then time later the same guy notices the critique indeed found its way to the rocket, not sure Elon acknowledged that, maybe yes.
I hate that capitalism forced a huge part of the world narrative to attribute desirable human trait toward people with large wealth , hope the name of the engineers are not footnotes in history text book
I think he is just a generic greedy and power obsessed billionaire that happened to own a company that looked promising and good for the enviroment. All his companies stock would probably skyrocket if he quits
People can hate on Musk, and for good reason, don't get me wrong.
But the claim that Musk doesn't know anything about his companies is just plain wrong. For example, his former colleague Tom Mueller (with whom he founded SpaceX) has repeatedly described him as a brilliant engineer.
Hell, if it weren't for Musk, the US would have no way to launch astronauts into low earth orbit. Boeing's Starliner spacecraft which was supposed to compete with SpaceX's Dragon spacecraft suffered multiple failures and is no longer carrying humans to space.
So please hate Musk, but do it for the right reasons.
I'd say it's more to do with advances in material science and additive manufacturing than engineering. Engineers 25 years ago were held back by a lot of manufacturing methods but knew fundamentally what had to be done. Impressive regardless
This reminds me of how Musk was bragging that for the cybertruck, they got rid of a bunch of “unnecessary” wiring that cars usually have for “streamlining.” Except now every electrical component is basically tied together, so if one thing fails, everything fails. I’m no rocket scientist, but I wonder if anything similars going on here.
Nothing to do with Musk. Lot of smart engineers and scientists
I'm going to guess as I am closer to the intelligence of a dog than the people who made this that in version 1 everything we see is essential. Now it's all cut down into version 3 and does the same if not better with less parts. Version 3 almost looks like it could be plug and play, i.e ohh there is an issue with the part sticking out on the right, okay cool, put on another one while we investigate the issue.
Musk simps are regarded but it's also regarded to think he had anything to do with this other than bankroll
Musk has nothing to do with SpaceX engineers being good at their job. As a matter of fact, Elon Musk is dead weight for those fine man and women who do real engineering and science at SpaceX.
What baffles me is how people think the cover face of a brand is the one who does the research, design and development of all their products.
Somehow after Job’s death iPhones are still being developed in the same way.
I mean, that's moreso down to the incredible engineers at SpaceX. Musk has very little to do with the actual engineering side of SpaceX despite his title of "chief engineer"
Politics aside, simplifying something as complex as a rocket motor to be lighter and simpler to assemble is impressive. Every additional part is weight and a chance of assembling wrong, every additional fitting is a place where it could leak, this design is porn to an aerospace engineer
PvsNP_ZA@reddit
Reddit hates him now but I will never forget how the majority of people on this site gargled his balls and glazed Tesla cars.
GoGoSoLo@reddit
Because the company and its purported mission (clean energy cars and other novel tech work) are good. Musk is a rich idiot who didn’t actually found the products of said company.
InstrumentalCore@reddit
People are too caught up in their agenda to give credit when it's due. He might be a rich idiot, but he is still a rich idiot that is personally invested in the success of these projects for his own dreams.
He is about the only billionaire seriously pushing private space industry and supporting Nasa is so many ways. That is nothing to scoff at.
Tiruin@reddit
Propped up by public investment, money that should've gone to NASA instead.
OtherUse1685@reddit
You realize that SpaceX contracts are with NASA right?
Meaning the money went to NASA, NASA contracted with SpaceX and paid them.
Tiruin@reddit
ImInfiniti@reddit
Except NASA doesn't build rockets? It contracts them out. If the money went to NASA, they would just give it to SpaceX to develop their launch capabilities. Like what's happening with the Human Landing System that is meant to take astronauts down to the moon.
Tiruin@reddit
Assuming that's true, I fail to see how that's worse than giving the entire mission to a private corporation? Better than sending Katy Perry to space.
emaugustBRDLC@reddit
Musk revolutionized digital payments, electric cars, space travel, internet access (reach), and if I had to guess, Neuralink will be a game changer before it is all said and done.
That is one titan of industry who revolutionized at least 3 industries and may have another 1 or 2 to go. It is hard to fathom and yet the hoi polloi act like he is just some guy who got lucky.
smokeymcdugen@reddit
Same thing with trump getting a loan for a million dollars from his father to start out. Some people act like anyone can turn that into billions but they are the same people that if they had that million they would have a warehouse full of labubus believing they are going to make it big.
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
As opposed to Musk, who only wasted a bunch of time and money on the Boring Company only to come up with ‘roads but underground and much shittier’ while China continues to crush the US in high-speed rail?
ZorbaTHut@reddit
What do you call someone who tries to make ten worldchanging companies but only succeeds with two or three?
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
You're assuming the Boring Company failed, when it did exactly what Musk wanted it to do: sabotage California's efforts to invest in actual, high-capacity public transit for the benefit of the car industry.
ZorbaTHut@reddit
So, first, you're assuming he wanted to sabotage California high-speed rail, while it's entirely possible he just thought it was a bad idea. (I also think it's a bad idea, for the record.)
Second, you're assuming Boring Company has otherwise failed.
Third, so you're saying he succeeded with three or four?
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
You think high-speed rail networks are a bad idea? And yes, the Boring Company has broadly failed.
They've lost multiple contracts to people that actually know what they're doing when it comes to tunneling, keep proposing new tunnels that never go anywhere, the Vegas Loop has been 'intermittendly drilling' for seven years now with its biggest result being massive OSHA violations and an illegal dumping scandal. The only reason Vegas Loop is even functional is that it's being heavily subsised, all so you can get a 'traffic clearing solution' that still gets backed up with traffic.
SpaceX is Musk's biggest success and that largely comes off the back of actually competent engineers and a team capable of jingling their keys in front of Elon's face to distract him whenever he has another harebrained scheme.
ZorbaTHut@reddit
Yes.
This all sounds like "they're not profitable yet and they haven't succeeded, therefore they've failed". I don't accept that definition; there's a lot of room between success and failure, and many companies remain unprofitable for a very long period of time.
Actual SpaceX employees say that Elon Musk is heavily involved in development.
johnnyc14@reddit
If you read Elon’s tweets and actually think that is a person involved in Space X development then you’re the epitome of ignorance is bliss. Elon wants to pretend he is involved, and Space X employees let him play pretend because he is a toddler with money. It happens in pretty much every major company run by egomaniacs. Goal is good, and they want to keep being funded, let them stroke his ego but don’t let it get to your head man
ZorbaTHut@reddit
So why is it that actual employees say he's involved?
You're trying to build this giant conspiracy around this, where somehow he's an idiot but also incredibly rich and successful. And people say "ah, but money", ignoring the fact that vast numbers of people who started out much richer than Elon Musk end up far far less successful. And this is somehow so well-known that everyone in SpaceX and Tesla is hiding it, but somehow so hidden that nobody outside those companies know it, but simultaneously so well-known that you know it.
I'm sorry but this does not pass any sniff test.
There are literal tens of millions of millionaires in the US, and almost none of them are going to become as rich as Elon Musk. Whatever's going on is not some giant millionaire conspiracy.
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
Most companies who make a single minimum viable product and then spend the next seven years eating shit with very little to show for it are, in fact, failed companies. Elon being able to funnel buckets of cash into his vanity projects isn't a sign of success, it's a sign that he's one of the richest people on the planet.
But, regardless, that's really all I have to say on this front. We could go back and forth about what constitutes a success vs a failure for the next three weeks without any real resolution, and since we clearly fundementally disagree on this argument, I don't feel the urge to spend hundreds of words trying to convince someone over the internet.
Have a good one.
ZorbaTHut@reddit
Yes. Most companies, in general, fail.
But that doesn't mean you can point to a single company in the middle of the R&D process and say "this has failed". You'll be right most of the time and spectacularly wrong occasionally; you would have been one of the people claiming that Amazon, SpaceX, Netflix, and Spotify were "failures".
And obviously that's just wrong.
You too.
skittlesdabawse@reddit
It is however much easier to turn that into billions if your dad keeps bailing you out anytime you fuck up and lose the million he gave you
emaugustBRDLC@reddit
Supposing they didn't just go ahead and waste it on dumb shit. Or even smart shit. The will to create great giant things is not in all of us that is for sure.
Sengfroid@reddit
Famously, he is not. Bezos' Blue Origin and even Branson's Virgin Galactic are both very much private space ventures. In the case of Bezos and Musk it almost seems like once you have long enough a streak sitting on top the "world's richest" chart you unlock the Rockets add-on for dick measuring contests.
steauengeglase@reddit
Musk gave it a much needed kick in the pants. Blue Origin is a 26-year-old company and it took them 15 years to launch anything. Space X was founded in 2002 and their first launch was 4 years later.
gunner7517@reddit
"Amateurs talk strategy; Professionals talk logistics."
ConscientiousPath@reddit
He's the only one who's been successful for practical non-vanity missions. Musk is putting useful satellites in orbit and getting astronauts to the ISS. The others are either stuck doing test flights still or giving Katy Perry a bigger head
assasin1598@reddit
My only argument that Musks satellitss are not a positive thing even if useful, especially his stsrlink sidequest is quantity over quality solution, one that solves problem of today (that was yesterday), but causes bigger problems fortomorrow.
Some of these problems we already encounter today and theyll only get worse. Like putting shit ton of satelites in low orbit, for whicb Nasa has to take in to account when going to the moon or ISS... or visual smog through satelites just covering the stars.
mergelong@reddit
It probably has to do with bandwidth.
assasin1598@reddit
Yet its still not enough, as starlink isnt really perfect.
Its basically satelite TV, but the asshole decided to ovsrsature us with low quality satelites.
mergelong@reddit
Except it isn't?
Tell me you have never used starlink without telling me you haven't used starlink
ConscientiousPath@reddit
The quantity of satellites he's putting up was chosen for important technical reasons that are the difference between the fairly normal ping of starlink and the insane ~2s latency of traditional geostationary satellites.
The orbital clutter problem wasn't his invention and is something we'll have to solve regardless of whether he launches satellites or not. Thankfully it's much less of a problem than you'd think both because we already have tracking for basically all objects over a certain size and because anything in low earth orbit has an orbital decay rate that is pretty high compared to anything further out.
assasin1598@reddit
Yeah, sure...
The orbital clutter aint his invention, yet hes the one contributing the most rn.
Sengfroid@reddit
Willful ignorance. Project Kuiper / Amazon Leo is basically the same concept as Starlink, and more importantly, getting Katy Perry and other celebrities to fuck off from the entire planet is for the good of the world. The crime was bringing her back.
ANGLVD3TH@reddit
Have either of them matched Bill's streak on top yet? Feels like the rocket craze is new.
Sengfroid@reddit
Think that was a previous season. Bill got the Millennium Foundation and Bezos unlocked the Millennium Clock
Regular-Cup9528@reddit
Bill was too distracted by the pedo sidequest to care about rockets.
Nadiadain@reddit
Too busy banning Epsteins alt accounts from Xbox live
Sentient2X@reddit
Blue origin sucks balls and you know it. Musk isn’t any better than bezos, his companies just happen to have better engineers and products
laser50@reddit
Exactly this. Tesla for the electric vehicles, SpaceX for rockets, mainly the part where they land themselves for another use, that was huge..
The boring company to drill tunnels, and I think there was another one that completely failed attached to it, a hyperloop perhaps?
The man lost all my respect over the years, but he did start off as a respectable dude trying his best to push us further into technological advancements.
HalifaxRoad@reddit
the US tax payer has invested infinitely more in spacex than musk has...
Dangermad@reddit
The projects he suggests to prevent real work from getting off fhe ground
anbmasil@reddit
Go gargle on it then
PubG4YouAndMe@reddit
The ends do not justify the means imo. Just because he has decent end goals, doesn't mean we can't hate the MF for everything else he does.
InstrumentalCore@reddit
The fact people went from endlessly glazing him to actting like everything he does is set trash on fire show the true shallowness of their own thinking.
A normal person would have a reasonable balanced take, celebrating the good and condemning the bad, but people just went to "hating the MF for everything else he does" which shows that there was never a higher level of thinking other than being told that he was bad and accepting it.
PubG4YouAndMe@reddit
I don't need a higher level of thinking to know he's a dude who bought his way into the wealth he has now and throws Nazi salutes. He's a bad dude, that's all there is to it.
Kahlypso@reddit
There it is. The big ol red flag of emotionally compromised cognition.
We can ignore him now ppl. Move along now.
PubG4YouAndMe@reddit
I mean Im not gonna sit here and write down every bad thing the guy has ever done. The way he's used his wealth to do bad things. I don't know what you want me to say lol.
I do agree my emotions are in play because I loathe the ultra wealthy. They are a stain on the human race.
LetsDoTheCongna@reddit
I would be fine with everything else but I can’t forgive the fact that he’s dogshit at Path of Exile 2
Mr_Pink_Gold@reddit
Lol. Ahahahahah.
OmNomSandvich@reddit
Teslas have always been kinda shitbuckets due to the lack of quality control and scope creep (GULL WING DOORS!) but they did popularize EVs and made a fast charging network that was not complete shit.
SpaceX is very much the real deal even though Musk is contemptible.
Coakis@reddit
Ok you can give credit to the original owners of Tesla that Musk pushed out soon after investing, but very decidedly every thing since under Musk's management is not good, and just has been a continual series of lies and half-truths all while the time Musk violated employment laws.
MeDuzZ-@reddit
Teslas are the farthest thing from clean energy cars lmao. Lithium mines are just about the most polluting thing out there, not to mention electricity also pollutes. An old shitbox from the 90’s that gets 25-30mpg is better for the environment than EV’s.
nullenatr@reddit
That diesel generator is still more effective than an internal combustion engine.
TribeWars@reddit
Not really, unless it's the size of a power plant or large ship. Add the losses you get from charging the EV battery (10-15%) and any benefit the generator has from running at a consistent operating point is probably lost.
i_liesk_muneeeee@reddit
Peak credibility
TribeWars@reddit
Even by reddit standards this is impressively bad-faith argumentation
TribeWars@reddit
Not by a huge margin though, (diesel) car engines can hit 35-40% efficiency at cruising speed and a power plant might be around 45-50%. Add back grid losses (~5%) and charging losses (~10-15%) for the EV and I'm pretty confident that it's a wash.
ginger_fury@reddit
A diesel engine is an ICE. What do you think it's doing with the diesel, freezing it?
BoraxThorax@reddit
Newsflash renewable and non-greenhouse gas emitting forms of electricity exist.
Not to mention no exhaust fumes
MeDuzZ-@reddit
Newsflash, hydrogen powered cars are the cleanest cars currently possible but they can’t make that because it wouldn’t line the pockets of billionaires.
CerifiedHuman0001@reddit
They aren’t made because hydrogen is expensive to produce and dangerous/impossible to contain on a good day, way less safe when contained on a 2,000lbs hunk of steel traveling at 60mph. Car crashes are dangerous enough when you aren’t sitting on an actual, constantly-leaking bomb.
TestyBoy13@reddit
And storing hydrogen is extremely fucking hard and very easy to explode…
CerifiedHuman0001@reddit
Fun fact: Large combustion engines (like generators and power plants) are much more efficient than billions of tiny shitty cheap engines. As for the lithium mining, that wasn’t even true when that claim was new 6 years ago, and we’ve gotten cleaner with it since then specifically because of public concerns.
At the very least most cars should transition to being hybrids.
commentsandopinions@reddit
This shilling is brought to you by your friends at ExxonMobil!
😡 evil. bad. Me love environment.
🥰 yes yes coal-chan, rape earth faster!
mufasa510@reddit
You're probably trolling, but for others, you have to look at the full life cycle of a vehicle. EVs produce more CO2 during manufacturing (~10 tons) due to what you stated vs ICE (~5). The tradeoff is in the rest of its life cycle, even if you are living in a US state that produces the dirtiest electricity (I think WV), it's still ~50% less CO2 than an equivalent amount of gas. So depending on how much you drive, you can overcome that ~5 ton difference in a year or 2. Over the life of the cars, an ICE vehicle can emit 60 tons of CO2, vs an EV of 25-30 tons.
I will say that, in most cases, buying a used ICE car is going to be more environmentally friendly than buying a new EV.
Naphrym@reddit
You're aware that the lithium for a battery only has to be mined once, right? And that it doesn't disappear when you discharge the battery? And that the lithium in old batteries can be almost completely recovered?
Also, I'm sure you're aware that generators generally increase in efficiency and pollutant capture with size. And that the existence of a few diesel-powered EV chargers doesn't discount all the chargers that don't use low-efficiency fossil fuels. And that the alternative to a fossil-fuel burning EV charger is... Several fossil-fuel burning ICE vehicles (which are not only less efficient but also spread pollutants over a wide area).
NPDgames@reddit
What's great about EVs is that every single infastructure environmental issue you listed is something which can be improved, unlike ICE vehicles which fundementally burn gas to function. Takeing gas burners off the road and replacing them with EVs means everything we do to make the grid cleaner also makes transport cleaner. Also as other commentors said, power plants and generators burn fossil fuels more efficently than cars, even accounting for transmission losses.
You are correct that right now buying a used car is more enviornmentally friendly, but are ignoring that used cars need to come from somewhere, and that new EVs are more environmentally friendly than new ICE cars, and this is getting more true all the time.
You seem like you're probsbly just team ban cars, which will never get voter aproval in countries like the us.
CaucyBiops@reddit
The important thing to realize is that it takes large amounts of electricity to make gasoline and other fuels. Cutting out the middleman by just charging vehicles directly from the grid is much better than using large amounts of power from our grid and crops from our fields to produce a purely disposable resource.
TestyBoy13@reddit
Angry_Robot@reddit
Confidently incorrect.
SunnySalads@reddit
Source: out of his ass
Sengfroid@reddit
I still like the idea he's doing all his stupider antics to convince the crowd he's in now that the best way to "cuck the libs" is by driving EVs and supporting space research.
Even though it's not true, it makes his whole schtick more entertaining now that you view it as someone trying their hardest to do a bad impression.
Agent_Galahad@reddit
Makes sense. The people who despise Elon these days are generally the type that are willing to adjust their views when presented with information they didn't have previously
Anguscablejnr@reddit
I once said Dave Chappelle was the greatest thinker of our time... I mean, even if you're totally on board with all the anti-trans stuff I still think I pretty significantly oversold him.
People are allowed to change their mind and be wrong is my point.
Unsayingtitan@reddit
It's also literal fucking rocket science, remember when they caught the booster? Reddit loved that shit for like a week. They don't care about doge anymore either
Do-it-for-you@reddit
You can celebrate a scientific achievement while still understand the man who owns the company is an ass. SpaceX is amazing even if musk himself isn't.
Joshgg13@reddit
See this is the problem. At the time, reddit celebrated Musk for these achievements. He was one of the most popular figures on the platform.
Now, instead of simply saying "yeah, we liked him until he said and did all that bad stuff, and now we don't like him", Redditors are intent on pretending they never said a good word about him. Why can't we just admit that we liked him before but don't in light of his more recent actions? I think it's because most people on this app can't entertain the idea that they were wrong about somebody, because it opens them up to the idea that their current idols might not be the brilliant perfect people they think they are
Coakis@reddit
I never liked him, his cars were predicated on lies and hype from the get go. He willingly ignored basic car manufacturing methods that would have only benefited his production of cars, and to this day have safety flaws in them that make me wary of even stepping in one.
From an engineering standpoint they're badly designed piles of shit that miraculously function. This was before the mask was fully off that he's a drug addict wannabe Nazi.
As for the rest of Reddit that may not have been familiar with Automotive interests, yeah a large group of them probably did take him at his word.
johnnyc14@reddit
Getting downvoted for what was very much a common opinion back then lol, I thought the same thing Tesla’s were always dumb to me, don’t get me started on the stupid ass tablet and broken ass doors. But redditors want to take us all down with them that we were all fanboys, nah just yall lol
destroyerOfTards@reddit
I think people just don't want to accept that both can be true - they can like SpaceX for what it is doing and they can hate Musk for what he is doing.
I think it is just easier to accept the good parts of someone or something instead of hating on them blindly. Credit where credit is due.
scrotalobliteration@reddit
there's also a possibility that the userbase has changed and grown since then and now we have a bunch of gen alpha on here who grew up always hearing how he was awful and a bunch of millenials who finally stopped browsing the reddit front page daily
wordjedi@reddit
I remember he began to unravel the day he accused the diver in Thailand of being a .pdf file because he didn't believe Elon could invent a magic submarine overnight that wouldn't get stuck in the cave or simply drown everybody
Do-it-for-you@reddit
Do people deny that he wasn't loved by most people? I know some individual people here and there will say "I never liked him", but as a whole, it's fairly common knowledge that reddit used to love musk, then did did and said bad stuff, and now they don't.
trenlr911@reddit
Have you read this thread? Half of the comments are saying they never liked him and only celebrated SpaceX’s accomplishments, which is complete bullshit lmao
sadacal@reddit
Most people outside of reddit liked musk too. Heck many still like musk. A lot of people still believe his real life tony stark persona.
Invoqwer@reddit
If people do deny that most people liked Musk, I find it very strange. He absolutely had great PR leading up to like... 2018 or whatever before he called the rescue guys pedos and then started going off the rails with what he was posting. My personal theory is that he had a literal PR team helping him figure out what to post and what to appear in (e.g. appear in iron man or big bang theory etc) and after that 2018 2019 period he started YOLOing his shit and causing enough of a stir that people dug into his going-ons and realized that he's just some rich shmuck asshole.
xxapenguinxx@reddit
SpaceX is more than just musk..
Unsayingtitan@reddit
These are the same people complain that we are going back to the moon
8ofAll@reddit
“hEs tHe rEaL LifE IrOonnNn mAnnNnNn” is what they’d say while deep throating musk.
DrippyRat@reddit
Yeah he got outed as a fucking degenerate some people have standards.
jfuss04@reddit
Honestly hilarious thing to say on the green text sub lol
StandardN02b@reddit
Holy cope. Reddit started to hate him when he oposed Covid lockdowns.
HorrorCake1481@reddit
Nope. When he called the scuba guy a pedo.
Happy_Ocelot_4945@reddit
The existence of fauxmoi sub implies otherwise
FreeSockLimit1@reddit
Right? It's almost as if everyone was cool with some geeky dude who wanted to go to Mars, build Starlink and electric cars.
Then he opened his dumb fucking mouth and let everyone know who he really was, which is when people started having a problem with him, go figure.
GargamelLeNoir@reddit
Urgh, people who change their minds when faced with new information that makes them realize their mistake. Disgusting!
Ok_Independence_2630@reddit
I remember it quite well
JPowTheDayTrader@reddit
People change, or in Musk's case, maybe he was good at hiding his true nature.
People can also change their minds.
DrakonSpawn@reddit
If you asked me how I felt about Musk in 2017 I would have told you “he’s trying to save the world single-handedly and he’s our world’s Tony Stark”
TimothyNurley@reddit
public opinion changed as more information was revealed to the public? damn kinda crazy if you ask me
RomeosHomeos@reddit
I am proud to say I've been a hater since the beginning and there is proof of such, first time I ever heard of him was when he did his stupid stunt trying to fake invent a submarine to save those children and then threw a hissy fit when someone told him that that was stupid
Smexy_Zarow@reddit
You loved your ex until you saw their bad side
Glass_Ad_7246@reddit
You remember no such thing
jnmtx@reddit
Good_Problem_6576@reddit
what movie is this?
jnmtx@reddit
this is a crossover meme combining the TV show Ancient Aliens with the movie series Men In Black.
moosemuffin12@reddit
regman231@reddit
Stop messing with em dude that’s fucked up
SokkieJr@reddit
The flashing is from Men in Black
The Aliens guy is from some pseudo-science alien show on history channel
Capnmarvel76@reddit
Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom
schwanzwaffe@reddit
Men in Black Men
didgeblastin@reddit
Wild wild west
crankbot2000@reddit
My Balls: A Love Story
FrenulumEnthusiast@reddit
Aliens
djaqk@reddit
Rocky
Kasaikemono@reddit
Darude - Sandstorm
beta_ketone@reddit
Titanic
iiOhama@reddit
Men in black
crespoh69@reddit
Lol the tan only adds credibility to the meme
haftnotiz@reddit
Thanks for the loud snort I let out while sitting in the crapper.
No-Sector-933@reddit
longest meme i have ever seen
drifters74@reddit
That was funny
SpezIsAGayMfer@reddit
Peak.
abdallha-smith@reddit
🫰
You were never a musk simp
romulusnr@reddit
Not like he founded the company
Proglamer@reddit
Apparently, in hivemind's opinion, red trumps green
Meme_Pope@reddit
You can’t point this out without being accused of dickriding him, but SpaceX and Tesla have been two of the most transformative companies in the history of the world.
Tesla single handed started the electric car revolution. They made it cool and their success broke down the doors and spurred the entire rest of the industry. Before Tesla, it was a niche market and people would only buy a Toyota Prius or Nissan Leaf as a favor to the environment.
SpaceX revolutionized spaceflight by doing it privately for pennies on the dollar. Prior to SpaceX, we were totally dependent on Russia to launch humans into space. We didn’t have another viable alternative ready to go for a decade and they would have had us by the balls, able to cut us off from the ISS if we sanctioned them.
Inb4 “muh government grants”. The government had been throwing money at these problems for decades to no avail. This grant money was available to any other company that could do the job, but they couldn’t.
SergenteA@reddit
The government is still throwing money at the problem. It just throws it at SpaceX now that Musk can lobby for it.
Before SpaceX, the government threw far less money because "owned the Commies, now give us tax cuts" was the thinking among lobbists.
Doesn't change that SpaceX did revolutionary advancements of course, but the government could have done them too. The government did it all the way till the Shuttle.
JamesHenry627@reddit
Redditors are fake progressivism. People now are talking about how shitty American politics is yet bent over backwards to defend voting democrat to defeat the republicans despite them having no position other than maintaining the status quo.
ender89@reddit
The thing that drives me insane is that he is not a rocket scientist. He didn't build the engine, he probably made high level decisions that his talented engineers spoon fed him so he made the "right" choice and could feel important.
He wasn't even a major contributor to PayPal, and that's the only thing he's ever actually worked on.
ZachF8119@reddit
I still think he’s funny. At the end of the day having been liked I feel like it’s still a giant flex for one of the world‘s richest people.
I don’t think there was ever a time that anyone ever said that Mark Zuckerberg was cool
At least I thought that the things that musk put his time into were funny.
Well, yeah, whenever that type of shit would happen with him calling that Navy seal a pedophile whenever he wanted to use a submarine to save those kids that were trapped I feel like it’s indicative of a larger issue
Price-x-Field@reddit
It was so insane because he was still a horrible person back then, and was insanely cringe online. But Reddit only cared once he went with Trump. Looking back on everything the Trump admin has done Elon looks like a saint by comparison
Supershadow30@reddit
I’ll never forget either. Been calling out his bullshit projects since 2016.
Responsible_Jury_415@reddit
I mean it’s Reddit if your anti trump you can legit tout that bill kristol is a good guy and people will agree and Elon did seem more dem at one point. I read about space xs designs from actual scientists and it’s mostly junk satellite launch platforms. It’s why musk is holding on to trump so tightly he doesn’t want to lose those sweet government contracts.
LiamJamIsMyNeesons@reddit
Changing your mind when the evidence changes is a good thing
Thanag0r@reddit
He made electric cars a popular thing 10 years before they would appear naturally.
That's a good thing and that's why people liked him.
SpaceSick@reddit
To be fair, he hadn't broken all of his promises yet back then. Also, conservatives used to HATE him because his electric vehicles were threatening the precious oil industry.
AccomplishedSpray137@reddit
I always disliked Tesla cars but I do like what Tesla cars did by introducing many more people to EVs
TheTwistedHero1@reddit
Honestly, it's because EVs are genuinely a good thing, and Tesla pushed the tech forward a fuckton. Tesla becoming a legit company caused other car manufacturers to step up their EV game
InquisitorMeow@reddit
I mean would there have been a reason to hate him prior to the cave incident? That's when the mask started coming off.
aghastmonkey190@reddit
Personally I liked that he sold flamethrowers but that might've just been a publicity stunt
Dr_Brotatous@reddit
Ill admit it i thought he was pretty cool back when he was going to buy Twitter but now man he is a fucking dweeb
osugaxotas@reddit
Imagine changing your opinion about someone when they turn into a piece of shit...
roehnin@reddit
I still glaze SpaceX and Tesla cars, I just think the guy who owns the companies is mentally unstable.
Kambyses2@reddit
Literally just look up the top all time posts on r/space
ObedientPickle@reddit
Is this meant to be some big gotcha?
fresh_dyl@reddit
Proud to say I was never one of those.
Always knew he was a moron.
throwtheclownaway20@reddit
Yes, that's how time and new information work. What's your point?
ManOfKimchi@reddit
I remember that time, popular page of reddit was like a compilation of Musk's pics during first launch of falcon heavy
L003Tr@reddit
Id like it known for the record i dislike him and his cars long before it was cool
Mr-Klaus@reddit
Unfortunately I was one of them. Here's the thing, back then he was just this mysterious dude who kept putting out these innovative ideas and awesome products.
It all started to go wrong when he got into a twitter beef with a British diver who was rescuing Thai kids stuck in a cave. After that his shitty personality became front and centre, followed by people starting to wake up to the fact that most of his ideas were full of shit.
The smarts ones jumped ship and the idiots stayed on, that's why his fans are so damn toxic these days.
Helgrind444@reddit
This is the funniest shit. The people who couldn't shut up about him being a genius now can't shut up about him being evil or whatever.
I just wish they would shut the fuck up.
georgepearl_04@reddit
Well yeah, before he was a dorky guy who built cars and rockets, then he took a load of Ket and started throwing nazi salutes. Shocked people don't still support him
TerranRepublic@reddit
Yeah it's possible for the newly-available knowledge to change what people think.
I don't idolize individuals for this reason but still thought his companies were doing a lot of really impressive things.
Sven4president@reddit
People change their opinions when new developments happen.
JustDontBeFat_GodDam@reddit
They always eat their own.
canoIV@reddit
i am proud of the man I've become
Do-it-for-you@reddit
Yup, I remember really wanting to have my own Tesla one day, well that never happened.
EtteRavan@reddit
Why would you buy a Tesla when better and safer electric cars exist anyway ? Inb4 cult of personality
Do-it-for-you@reddit
Because this was 10 years ago and I didn't know any better.
nandru@reddit
there weren't any better, tbf
drifters74@reddit
Yes
NotRandomseer@reddit
Tesla cars are still cool af , no other company has anything close to their fsd in consumer vehicles
LazarusPizza@reddit
I was one of the people who foolishly thought he was going to do great things. It wasn't until he picked a fight with the teacher that was helping save the kids stuck in the flooded cave that he turned me off of supporting him.
Tesla deserves a lot of the glaze, though. Not the cybertruck. That piece of shit was garbage from day 1. However, the actual SUV is pretty darn good. My brother and his wife use it and love it. It's pretty good for everything they need to do with their newborn.
woodzopwns@reddit
Reddit was the biggest Musk enjoyer known to man
Starfire123547@reddit
tbf, at the time he was just a greedy billionaire making cool cars and rockets, he wasnt a crazy right wing nazi salute making, weird steroid usage looking delusional fool.
People change, and so too did their opinion of him. If my favorite hero or actor did some unredeemable stuff today, id probably change my mind on them too.
Oh_Fated_One@reddit
r/spaceporn has a post of him among the top of all time. The comments aged like milk left open in a dirty, humid environment
spiritofporn@reddit
trent_diamond@reddit
sm753@reddit
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
JustChillin3456@reddit
That’s because he was making Redditors money through his tesla stocks
Captain_StarLight1@reddit
I mean, I do think the cars are a good idea, self driving and electric vehicles are definitely things that would make life better. Not a huge fan of Musk himself, or his companies, but I do respect the hell out of the engineers who are pioneering in fields that can make life better for everyone and further science.
Sierra-117-@reddit
I mean that was before he revealed his true self. He used to be quiet apart from some pretty forward thinking visions of the future. Then he threw a hissy fit about the cave rescue thing, and people realized he wasn’t who he claimed to be.
Yourfavoriteindian@reddit
Dude was always a “le Redditor” cringe lord - but back then he was the good kind of cringe lord, the type millennials on this site are up.
With that said, it’s not crazy that if someone worships to a guy (again, the fact that worshiped this “m’lady” ass weirdo is hilarious) and he does a 180, then they stop looking up to him.
That’s how opinions work, they change as new shit comes to light.
toxikmasculinity@reddit
He didn’t invent anything with tesla or any other company. Which is why there has always been a loud out speaking group on musk. Because those that say he’s a genius conflate what kind of genius he is and it’s annoying. He is a rich boy with a big network and he’s been really good at being cunning in business. He however is not tony stark, which he wants you to believe. This has always been the case. It has always been the criticism. And you playing revisionist history pisses off the day one haters that see through his shit.
HiTekLoLyfe@reddit
True Anon had a good podcast on his story. Just like you said he was a rich kid from a family who owned e emerald mines or some shit. Had some of his rich family friends suggest where to invest his money like the company that eventually became Tesla (again he didn’t start this company, just bought it). He’s always portrayed himself as an inventor which is hilarious because one only need to look at how insanely expensive and implausible original ideas of his like the hyper loop would be. Hundreds of miles of vacuum sealed underground tunnels? Yeah that’s brilliant. Watching the test track rust away was funny though.
SouthwestBLT@reddit
PREACH BROTHER
New_Canuck_Smells@reddit
They should still be gargling, dude keeps doing cool stuff.
kippismn@reddit
It's almost like when presented with new evidence. People have a right to change their opinion about things.
memefarius@reddit
You aren't the only one who remembers it
dasHeftinn@reddit
This pisses me off the most. Like 5-6 years ago Reddit was the biggest Elon fanbase on the planet. Understandably lost traction in the last 2 years, but still, same people claiming he was an amazing super genius have completely 180’d. It’s almost like people who claim to hate politics pay attention to politics the most.
cgda2011@reddit
Yeah makes me feel a little better about being an old head that always hated electric cars.
Thatguyj5@reddit
Me when I learn new information about something and change my opinion about that thing(this is impossible and clearly everyone is just jumping on bandwagons)
Gerdione@reddit
The obvious solution, is to double down and join an echo chamber. We don't update our opinions around here.
Gerdione@reddit
I'd hope that people's opinions on someone they admire change if that person ends up being a despicable human. Otherwise they'd just be in a cult of personality wouldn't they? Wish the world had a lot more people willing to swallow their pride.
Iwubinvesting@reddit
Facts change, opinions change. Simple as.
Republicans were glazing Bush until he said Trump is a threat to US. Mike Pence was a respected conservative Vice President until he followed the law and withheld US constitution over Trump's coup attempt.
Lolipopes@reddit
I got so much shit for being a Musk hater in 2016. Shit felt good when he let the mask slip.
WuTangMudkip@reddit
Tesla cars are legitimately not bad at all lmao. My ex had one and I really enjoyed driving it, she got it for like $42K brand new too. They depreciate like crazy so there are lots of used steals on them too
Snazzle-Frazzle@reddit
Because Musk had an entire personal PR team literally working 24/7 through numerous alt accounts across all social media sites propping up and whitewashing his image. Around the time he bought Twitter he fired them, I guess he started drinking their Kool-Aid it started believing that people actually like him of their own volition.
Pluckytoon@reddit
He used to seem like a cool dude for awhile ngl
Jack-of-Hearts-7@reddit
And then he opened his mouth
Esilai@reddit
The first time I heard of him was the “Elongated Muskrat” meme in 2017, then the next time I heard about him was when he called a rescue diver a pedophile cause he didn’t get to be a hero with his super cool submarine and that pretty much set the tone till the present day
jayvaidy@reddit
I used to be a Tesla glazer like 10 years ago. Now I hate Musk. I learned.
BeginningTypical3395@reddit
It was insufferable back then as it is now
scud121@reddit
His colossal regardation aside, Tesla forced a massive change on the car market. Even if it doesn't want his idea, or product initially, he marketed it. As is always the way, there's better products for less now.
United_States_Eagle@reddit
It was so bad Simpsons had an episode all about him. They refuse to even admit that episode exists. People act like these hardcore fans and refuse to admit that Musk’s glazing episode is the worst.
Thoughtful_Mouse@reddit
They don't know why they say the things they say. They are just parrots.
Fishmongererererer@reddit
Musk obviously isn’t doing this.
But damn that is some impressive engineering
headphase@reddit
And even more impressive budgeting. How much taxpayer funding did SpaceX receive between the first generation to the third generation?
Fishmongererererer@reddit
Less than it would have cost NASA
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
Yss because NASA is a political tool thst brings jobs to various states, based on lobbying.
It is inefficient by design.
CautiousToaster@reddit
Losing money by design is regarded. Just pay everyone a living wage to dig holes and fill them back up. Civilization saved!
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
You didn't really understand what I meant Uhm?
I meant that HOW and WHERE things are done at NASA is highly political. Contracts are awarded via political ties and even design choice are.
Look at how congress decides things regarding NASA.
Fishmongererererer@reddit
Yeah but that doesn’t account for everything even NASA officials admit they would have cost 10X what SpaceX cost to get the tech. Even 2X would be “Inefficient”. 10X is just system issues.
NASA has institutional issues with overspending.
Mr_Evanescent@reddit
FDR I knew you’d come back someday!
mclumber1@reddit
No more than what other launch providers are getting. This includes ULA, Northrup, or Boeing.
moon__lander@reddit
Haven't they paid it back or am I misremembering?
Jonesbro@reddit
Simplicity is genius
knifuser@reddit
"If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter" apparently also holds true in engineering.
VzSAurora@reddit
Very much so. It's quite easy to 'brick shit house' engineer anything, solving problems as you go and overspeccing everything to ensure it's functional. The real skill is producing the same end result with less parts, less material and less complexity.
'anyone can build a bridge, but only an engineer can build a bridge that barely stands'
Consistent-Throat130@reddit
Efficient use of resources? Not in my Software Engineering!
> be me > exceeded Claude Opus context window again today
fitz-khan@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muntzing
Impossible-Pizza982@reddit
It’s fun looking at very advanced factorio designs vs just freestyling. Very little wasted space. And these tend to take more time to design
r4o2n0d6o9@reddit
The factory must grow. Sometimes it gets hungry and needs some spaghetti
fourtyonexx@reddit
Free form spaghetti, yummy!
MurrE1310@reddit
When making prototypes, packaging is almost always the last consideration. You want to make sure it works before spending a ton of time on it
ArcticLeopard@reddit
Wait until thwy try my newest invention...a single firework strapped to a chair
Lastburn@reddit
Raptor 1 started development in 2012, we simply didn't have the tech to handle the pressure at the time, now it's a single pump engine and they removed the gimbaling so its a higher efficiency but less useful engine
Asiriomi@reddit
I remember watching a video that breaks down the reason why the first gen has so many extra wires/pipes, it's essentially all just sensors to monitor the engine and tubing for direct addition of XYZ to wherever it's needed. Eventually the engineers learned the exact ratios needed, tweaked the design to accommodate, and could safely remove all those extra sensors. Really neat stuff
Particular-Candy-376@reddit
They also 3d printed a lot of the engine so many tubes are hidden inside what looks like a solid part. So cool
akulowaty@reddit
You can see this stuff in all kinds of tech. Original walkman was relatively big with complex mechanism, very few features and even some bodge wires. Last walkmans made by sony had a motor size of a coin, very simple looking mechanism and were just slightly bigger than a cassette case with everything organized neatly on a circuit board and optimized to the limit.
mrheosuper@reddit
I used to work for a laptop manufacturer. The "laptop" that we use to validation looks nothing similar to final product. It's look more like "cyberdeck" than your average macbook. Cable everywhere, the hinge is hold together by 2 screws, and you need to loosen the screw to change hinge angle.
Birdyy4@reddit
From what I remember most of the bulk removed were sensors. They fine tuned the engine enough that they no longer needed all the sensors basically.
spectra2000_@reddit
It’s pretty valid to say this is an engineering marvel.
It’s not valid to think Elon just had anything to do with it besides owning the company.
HamsyBeSwank@reddit
why the hell does the 3 have a big 1 printed on its side? are they stupid?
spiritofporn@reddit
Remember the time reddit sucked Musk's cock, ate his shit and called it the most delicious thing they ever ate?
StaryWolf@reddit
Do you think it's unusual for people to change their opinion about a person when given more information on said person?
trenlr911@reddit
His upbringing and behavior haven’t even remotely changed, but as soon as he endorsed Trump Reddit did an immediate 180 lmao. You can hate the guy without being so disingenuous about it
Fizzzical@reddit
L003Tr@reddit
The thing that bothers me is that he was a shitty person who made shitty cars long before he jumped into bed with Trump.
It's fine changing your mind but it's funny af how redditors refused to see his previous flaws when he supprted climate change action
spiritofporn@reddit
He was always a piece of shit.
StaryWolf@reddit
Sure, but his PR was massively better.
spiritofporn@reddit
No, redditors just aren't that smart.
Vast-Combination4046@reddit
You are one of the dumbest ones.
Laser_Souls@reddit
Congrats on being a hater hipster, want a cookie or something?
MJisaFraud@reddit
These bandwagon haters are pathetic. I’ve hated Musk since he was born.
Laser_Souls@reddit
Real ones hated him ever since his ancestors learned to make fires in caves 😤 (They actually bought it from someone else and took all the credit)
spiritofporn@reddit
OK buddy, thanks 👌
ExtraPomelo759@reddit
Let him who is free of cringe cast the first stone.
Personally not proud of having fallen for Musk propaganda in the past.
broniesnstuff@reddit
How much of that was his pr agency?
FallenSegull@reddit
Yeah but that was when we weren’t seeing musk, we were seeing musks PR team. Then he sacked them and we saw the real deal
rkiive@reddit
That's good
That's bad
You: omg look at these idiots changing their opinion based on new information
theseustheminotaur@reddit
People updated their opinions when they got new information. It isn't that hard to understand is it?
InnocuousSymbol@reddit
Yeah. Extreme leftists have a way of baselessly supporting the current thing until big daddy MSM says it’s not the current thing anymore
Hau65@reddit
goomba fallacy
da_real_tatrocks@reddit
Koopa fallacy.
boofmaster6000@reddit
Eh, I don't know if this is the goomba fallacy. The vast majority of Redditors liked Musk years ago, but many have changed their opinions since.
ZachF8119@reddit
I think everyone enjoyed the things you know him for.
Unless you’re a Taylor swift equivalent swiftie fan for him you don’t know most things about him.
The thing he does that intersected with you, you were into. Tesla roadster was cool as a former victim child of being a mechanics kid.
spiritofporn@reddit
You have spell things out for redditors.
Like this. I totally hate Musk. Musk is a loser nazi with an ugly face. Just because I mock redditors for once licking the sweat from his feet and now pretending they always hated him, doesn't mean I support him.
KingManders@reddit
It's fair he had good PR and was in iron man. It was before everyone knew how full of shit he was.
koolmon10@reddit
I liked Musk before I knew he was a Nazi. I no longer like him.
However, the reasons that I liked him have not changed. I like the advancement of space technology and exploration, and the proliferation of electric vehicles and renewable energy. Just because Elon is the world's 3rd or 4th largest pile of shit doesn't mean I don't still agree with the things he used to stand for.
ZemeOfTheIce@reddit
Yeah that tends to happen when people become unapologetically a Nazi
Potential-Cheek6045@reddit
“Vast majority” Top 1% commenter is not familiar with the loud 1%.
boofmaster6000@reddit
I mean, of course, but most people certainly looked generally favorably towards him. I did say "liked", not "would shine his shoes with their tongues".
Zeegots@reddit
What's the bad thing about changing lanes? Or are we just mocking them for even liking a millonaire in first place?
boofmaster6000@reddit
Nothing, I never said there was.
TorHKU@reddit
Nothing, changing your opinion based on new information is a sign of not being a drooling simpleton.
Back when he didn't have as much political exposure and was mostly just seen as "cool wacky billionare making flamethrower and electric car" it was fine. Then he started opening his mouth in public and people wised up to how he was a piece of shit pretty fast.
Kicooi@reddit
It’s almost like that was more than a decade ago and a good chunk of us were ignorant teenagers at the time
FalconRelevant@reddit
It's not goomba fallacy if the popular narrative shifts from one side to the other in a span of 2 weeks.
spiritofporn@reddit
You wish. Redditors didn't just suck his cock, they called his piss champagne.
Vast-Combination4046@reddit
And they still would if he didn't bitch out of the fight with Zuckerberg because elons mom told him he wasn't allowed to.
spiritofporn@reddit
Here's that comment you lost, friend. But no worries, I found and reported it for you!
Vast-Combination4046@reddit
Oh no I hurt your fragile little feelings
aj_thenoob2@reddit
It literally was the entirety of reddit switching. This isn't the sizing of A/B grouping, there once was entirely A, now it's entirely B.
Pleasant_Ad8054@reddit
Thanks, I have been describing this all the time in so many conversations, now I have a name for it.
NoiseIsTheCure@reddit
Why is it always reddit and never any of the other platforms that had people glazing him? What is people's problem with reddit in particular?
spiritofporn@reddit
I don't use other platforms. I've never opened Twitter. I've never downloaded snapshot or Instagram or TikTok.
OneMonk@reddit
There is a difference between thinking someone is s force for good, and changing their mind to think someone is a force for evil and ‘eating their shit’.
unknown_pigeon@reddit
How does your own cock taste mate
"Omg remember when people liked a dude but now all hate him because they found out he's a piece of shit, nice job sheepies" good job mate, you won reddit, now go back to the basement
mesugakiworshiper@reddit
my heckin triollionaire is posting memes on twitter guys hes just like us !!
Enes_da_Rog1@reddit
Pepperidge Farm remembers
Vast-Combination4046@reddit
EVs aren't about climate change, it's about smog.
ts737@reddit
Meh if it weren't for Tesla no major western manufacturer would feel pressured to innovate EV's, the fact that he went full regard sucking up his own stocks with robots and AI, stagnating innovation in the automotive field is a different thing
Pleasant_Ad8054@reddit
Tesla may have pushed the change, but it was coming regardless. China needed EVs due to their air quality problems, they would have done it without taking a boost from Tesla either way. There is a significant market for EVs in Europe and even in the US, which other companies would have capitalised on if there would be no Tesla, however much people like to pretend the opposite.
cepukon@reddit
So many dumb fucks coming to make this exact comment. He started off with a good mission and had a good public image, but proceeded to fuck it all up because of ketamine, his ego, a few divorces and his kids hating him. Things and people can change, it's not that complicated.
spiritofporn@reddit
Awww, is someone mad? 😢
cepukon@reddit
Oh yeah I'm just raging over here
spiritofporn@reddit
Sorry your fee-feews got hurt, dear 😘
cepukon@reddit
Lol you're just looking dumber and dumber bro. Maybe make a another joke about me being mad or about my fee fees, that'll show me!
spiritofporn@reddit
Sure, love, you're very aloof and cool ☺️
cepukon@reddit
Now you're getting it
DarkArcher__@reddit
Granted, that was mostly before he outed himself as a nazi
DennisDEX@reddit
Remember when he imitated that one dictator most people hate?
komstock@reddit
where is the rocket motor anon built
AideyC@reddit
I love the narrative that hes not smart yet will be the first trillionaire like he fell into it
OmNomSandvich@reddit
the trillionaire deal is if he somehow gets Tesla to a cartoonishly high valuation
bstone99@reddit
More Money ≠ More Intelligence
AideyC@reddit
We arent talking about a million we are talking the largest amassed wealth from some of the most difficult sectors ever as well as being on the forefront. He was times person of the yesr until he started pointing out how stupid the narrative is
Raptor22c@reddit
Someone can be good with money, but be absolutely fucking clueless when it comes to engineering. Musk may run a business, but I bet my left testicle that if you asked him what Navier-Stokes equations are used for, he'd just blue-screen as he has no fucking clue.
Objective406@reddit
Knowing what a Navier-Stokes equation is used for doesn't make you highly intelligent either. Intelligence is complicated and you can't say the richest man in the world is just stupid as the next person, credit were credit is due. Alas, that doesn't make his statements about other topics true.
Dangermad@reddit
Until he started showing what a fucking idiot he is
Dangermad@reddit
Most billionaires aren't smart. They just think no one else has had the idea to toss aside their morals to make money, so they think they're geniuses for it, but they're actually just evil
Tallchief@reddit
iF i DiDnT hAvE MoRaLs I wOuLd Be BiLlIoNaIrE!
AideyC@reddit
Naaaa theyre intelligent as they understand how to get there. Not always about lack of morals either although it helps
Dangermad@reddit
If you count piggybacking off people who are actually intelligent intelligence
AideyC@reddit
If its that easy why has noone else done it
Dangermad@reddit
We weren't born into a family that we could already piggyback off
AideyC@reddit
Lot of excuses
Dangermad@reddit
Lot of ball gargling
FallenWiFi@reddit
Oops! Just accidentally navigated the most mechanically and operationally complex industries at the same time and made them worth a trillion dollars, silly me
AideyC@reddit
What a silly goose you are. Throw in the ketamine jokes when it was used theraputically too.
NikkolaiV@reddit
Musk didn't lift a fucking finger to make this happen. This was a team of exploited engineers working on their passion despite being under the thumb of the biggest fucking goober the world has ever known.
PotatoDominatrix@reddit
I don't give credit to Elon, but the team that actually does the legwork at spacex is astounding. I feel like you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand how the engine on the right is better.
_dotdot11@reddit
I've heard that airplane interiors are set up like rocket 1 to allow for easy maintenance, which is the only caveat. But i dont know how important maintenance is for a rocket...
mclumber1@reddit
Most rockets are thrown away after a single use. Maintainability is a distant afterthought.
Raptor22c@reddit
Maintenance is absolutely CRITICAL for reusable rockets - even more so than for airplanes. Frankly, I'd argue that it's more important than for all of the other forms of transportation combined. Rockets are not only insanely complex vehicles, but they are subject to extreme operating conditions (crushing G-forces, being smashed with immense dynamic pressure, subject to temperatures hot enough to vaporize you, etc.), and all of the parts have EXTREMELY tight tolerances. Take, for instance, the turbopumps: they spin at anywhere from 20,000 to over 100,000 RPM! If you take something like the space shuttle main engines (the RS-25), which have turbine disks that are about 20cm in diameter and spin at up to 35,000 RPM, the tips of the blades will be subject to approximately 1.34 MILLION m/s\^2 of acceleration, or \~137,000 times earth's gravity. If there is even a microscopic crack in one of those blades, that crack can widen and cause the blade to snap off.
As you might imagine, a blade snapping off at 35,000 RPM is going to cause a LOT of damage. At that speed, with a radius of 10 cm, the tip has a linear speed of about 366.5 m/s, or nearly 820 miles per hour... or roughly Mach 1.06 at sea level. A chunk of metal going Mach 1 inside of a very delicate piece of machinery is going to cause a huge amount of damage, including (but not limited to) the engine violently exploding.
So, yeah, they REALLY need to perform maintenance to the highest degree possible. For sensitive areas like turbopumps, they will examine very square millimeter with X-ray scanners and ultrasound machines to detect microscopic cracks and replace the component before it has a chance to fail.
rileywithani@reddit
I do not claim to be a rocket scientist by any stretch of the imagination, but I’d imagine maintenance is pretty important for a reusable rocket.
_dotdot11@reddit
Yeah, that's fair.
Brownfletching@reddit
Well, the actual important rocket parts are obviously present in all 3 of these, so I would have to imagine that most of that "extra" stuff is for sensors and feedback monitoring. Rockets used to be built using a lot of analog stuff like pneumatic circuits and vacuum systems to do all of that, because electronics were expensive and unreliable. But now that they can be re-used, electronics became viable, so they were able to clean up a lot of the stuff to save weight. But I'm not a rocket scientist
TurretLimitHenry@reddit
Simplicity is a complexity in of itself
ErosDarlingAlt@reddit
Elon Musk has no idea how a rocket engine works
ReallyTeddyRoosevelt@reddit
So? SpaceX moved our space program ahead by literally decades. If it was low hanging fruit other organizations would have figured it out before his.
*I'm only a sword swallower for SpaceX, please don't ask me to defend Musks other activities.
Snirion@reddit
Worst thing that happened to SpaceX is Elon Musk. SpaceX engineers and scientist suffer because they have such a shithead of the boss.
BGaf@reddit
Spacex isn’t like Tesla, Musk literally did found Spacex.
No Musk, no Spacex.
That said, the less he does there the better, Gwen has been awesome.
Raptor22c@reddit
Elon may have started the company by putting forward the money and hiring people, but he didn't design any of the rockets. A CEO is not a CTO; he's the guy who herds the shareholders and counts the profit, not having anything to do with the actual research and development. He's great at footing the bill to raise the capital to get things started, and great at somehow convincing the wider public of his utterly insane timeline "predictions" (i.e., how he claimed that Falcon Heavy would be making routine cargo flights to Mars by 2018, or how we'd have our first Mars landing in 2024), but beyond that, he's pretty useless. He's a hype-man with the wallet, nothing more.
destroyerOfTards@reddit
Well, if you say it like that then the CTO cannot exist if the CEO is not there - someone hired him and everyone else and got things together. Could the CTO have done it by himself? Yeah, but that's not how it happened. And sure, Musk is a shitty, terrible, hype man but I am giving him credit for starting a thing at a time when nobody was thinking about it, taking all the risks to reach a point where we can finally talk about space as something that finally seems to be within reach.
Why can't people just give some credit where it's due? No one's forcing you to accept Musk completely.
Raptor22c@reddit
I'm not saying that Musk doesn't succeed at running a business. What I AM saying is that all of the people who treat him like a real-life Tony Stark who's a technological genius and personally engineers all of his companies' products is completely and utterly wrong. Business acumen and engineering prowess are two entirely different skills, and he has none of the latter.
destroyerOfTards@reddit
The Tony Stark thing is something that has been taken too far honestly. He certainly is no scientist or Stark but he does seem to have some grasp of the engineering required to run and understand the business. You can have the best CTO but still run things to the ground if you don't understand at least something about your business. Over the years, you will understand a significant portion of it, if not all. Claiming he doesn't know anything at all without any evidence of it doesn't seem to right to me. Again, a bit of credit is not gonna hurt.
Though I will say that anyone who thinks Stark is possible irl is completely dumb.
Lazarous86@reddit
Good point. The thing everyone glosses over is Musk is amazing at raising capital to do this research and work. If he does nothing else for SpaceX it will be successful. He also clearly has an eye for talent and hiring smart people.
Previous_Air_9030@reddit
It doesn't take a genius to go to the government and say "Give me money because I am failing to turn a profit on my own". Tons of rich losers do that.
Lazarous86@reddit
If you think it's all there is.
Previous_Air_9030@reddit
No you also need to be born in a rich family so you can have the connections to beg the government for money, that's the tough part.
Dangermad@reddit
He thinks the dudebros who ran doge were talented smart people so
rokomotto@reddit
You say that like those were his ideas.
Metho5@reddit
This is simply not true. Why do people spout this nonsense all the time?
There's plenty of things to hate him for, his technical and engineering involvement or skill are simply not one of them.
He is actively involved in design decisions and engineers that work at spacex regularly confirm this.
PM_YOUR_CENSORD@reddit
Yes it is, do you honestly think this guy is a rocket scientist/engineer? Yes he will make decisions presented to him, that’s kind of his job, but he is by no means creating/engineering anything.
Of course the people he pays and controls their future successes in the company will claim Elon is big brain rocket scientist.
Slpkrz@reddit
Prolly not the technical stuff tho
thefartballoon@reddit
Do you?
ZamnThatsCrazy@reddit
I think people know how rocket engines work, same as car engines, it's just that nearly no one can design one more efficient one that the current ones, that's the hard part.
SubstantialSnacker@reddit
Not true at all. Rocket engines require something being ejected for its velocity to be maintained. Car engines do not as they primarily rely on friction. Since there is no friction in space they have to constantly eject fuel to maintain velocity
ZamnThatsCrazy@reddit
I meant same as people know how car engines work, not that car engines work same as rocket engines. My bad, poor wording.
ErosDarlingAlt@reddit
No. Is that important?
thefartballoon@reddit
We got a bunch of rocket scientists and engineers in the greentext subreddit! Real geniuses who should start their own space exploration business!
iameveryoneelse@reddit
Depends…what type of propellant? There are solid rocket engines, liquid rocket engines, and hybrid systems.
Templar2k7@reddit
No but I'm willing to admit it.
Extra_Passion_5754@reddit
It's a cone that shoots fire, duh. Fire goes in at one end, comes out the other.
boomeradf@reddit
Man I knew rock science was a sham. I am going to build my own in the garage!
doomguycrossing1@reddit
thats an amazing engineering success but elon didnt do it so L ragebait
Waswat@reddit
Musk didn't do this.
Extra_Passion_5754@reddit
Then this fucking genius should build one, and do it better than SpaceX.
Raptor22c@reddit
Just because Elon owns the title of the company doesn't mean that he had jack shit to do with the engineering process of designing the engine. He's the hype man with the wallet who talks with shareholders and investors, not an aerospace engineer crunching the numbers, working the CAD, and running computational fluid dynamics simulations to optimize the engine.
Thendrail@reddit
If I were born a rich nepo baby I could fund an existing company to build one just as well.
thefartballoon@reddit
No you wouldn't.
Jaime2k@reddit
Apparently he barely shows up to work and just shows up to play of exile in his office
Raptor22c@reddit
Honestly, that's better for everyone there. When he does insist on having direct control, it ends up being a catastrophe. Just look at the CyberSuck - while all of the other Tesla cars look like normal cars, the Cybertruck looks like a goddamn dumpster on wheels. He originally pitched it back during the hype before the release of Cyberpunk 2077, but by the time it was actually designed and put into production, the game had been out for half a decade and the hype was gone.
At SpaceX, they literally have a dedicated team of people who act as adult babysitters to keep him occupied and distracting him with things that make him feel involved and in charge, while making sure to steer him away from the actual work so that he doesn't fuck it up.
PM_YOUR_CENSORD@reddit
Wait doesn’t he himself, the people he pays and promote, as well as some podcasters claim he works 18 hour days?
I could have sworn I see a very credible employee of his claim Elon became an expert rocket scientist in one week.
These people could t possibly be fibbing.
I_NUT_ON_GRASS@reddit
He doesn’t play exile all day. If he did, he wouldn’t be straight boo boo cheeks at it
JuiceInhaler@reddit
No way that’s what he does because then at least he wouldn’t be dogshit at exile
Dreath2005@reddit
He procrastinates playing exile by using twitter
Thendrail@reddit
'member when he played Path of exile once?
Zesty-Lem0n@reddit
He doesn't even know about /dnd mode 😂
tyrome123@reddit
It's a running joke with space x fans that he just plays diablo 4 on call while his engineers tell him everything going on
( It has happened before )
SmokeSheen@reddit
and path of exile, he has the best spear in the game and says he needs to upgrade it because it only requires like 47 or something
Napalm_am@reddit
*Pays someone to play exile while he logs to twitter and posts all day
Raptor22c@reddit
I'm not going to defend Musk at all as he had absolutely nothing to do with the development of the Raptor engine.
That said, a rocket engine is nowhere near as simple as "cone that shoots fire with unnecessary wires". Most of what you see there are not wires, but high-pressure pipes. These can carry chilled propellants as part of the regenerative cooling system (where they run the near liquid-nitrogen-temperature propellants through the nozzle to cool it and prevent it from melting), or tap-offs to get a small bit of the propellant that's been heated up into a gas in order to pump it back into the fuel tanks as part of the autogenous pressurization system. Many of the lines there are for various diagnostic sensors that were used during early development, which were removed as those parts were finalized and the monitoring equipment became unnecessary. However, outside of sensor taps, it's nowhere near as simple as "just yank out those cables and pipes"... though I wish it were at times. As an aerospace engineering undergrad, things like turbopump design are murder with how insanely complex it can get, and just how narrow the margins you have.
Nonetheless, the Raptor v3 (the one to the right in the picture) is REMARKABLE in how much they've been able to simplify the engine. It's speculated that it uses a lot of advanced 3D metal printing in order to create internal channels and structures that would otherwise take the form of external lines. I can't speak much more on it than that, as any more detailed information is not available to the public - both due to it being proprietary information, and because rocket engine design is HIGHLY regulated under ITAR and most of it is required to be classified with a secret or top-secret clearance to get all of the details. But, if you look at any of the many, MANY other rocket engines throughout history, the Raptor v3 has to be one of the cleanest, slimmest engines outside of pressure-fed hypergolic engines (which literally only have two valves that you open; the pressurization of the fuel tanks provides the propellant flow).
Give credit where credit is due to the actual engineers at SpaceX who spent hundreds of thousands of man-hours developing this engine - ignore the Apartheid nepo-baby CEO who stumbles in after shooting up a dose of ketamine and tries to take credit for work that he had nothing to do with. Elon isn't an engineer, and barely has an understanding of physics. Anyone who has listened to him ask a question that wasn't pre-scripted with a prepared answer can immediately tell that he doesn't know jack shit, but instead just regurgitates what other people tell him.
EvieOhMy@reddit
Musk didn’t make those engines
nekopara-enthusiast@reddit
i doubt they would even let him chose the color of the paint on these. the only thing he did was fund the development.
Dry_Blueberry6806@reddit
Is he even the one designing the engines?
Himelikepie@reddit
no
harbourwall@reddit
but they let him think that he is
Kyle-Is-My-Name@reddit
Engineers: "Quick, Elon's coming! Throw that plastic piece on the wires right there in the front and call it a safety wiring harness."
Musk walks over to look at the new prototype rocket
EM: "What is the purpose of this?"
-- "It's a Safety Wiring Harness, it keeps the wires safe."
EM: "Yes I know, I was just seeing if you knew. And actually, its redundant here. Remove it."
-- Engineers gasp "My god, how could we have missed that. Thank you for taking the time to help us through the most technical parts of rocket science."
EM: "I have been studying rocketry since birth."
Musk walks off
EM 1: "Isn't that an older piece of the motor casing?"
EM 2: Yes it is. God what a daft cunt. Okay, let's get back to work."
KGB_cutony@reddit
he's probably not across the engineering stuff beyond regular presentations from the team. But to his credit he did allow funding towards engineering so we can have elegant designs like that.
Acceptable_Willow276@reddit
"Allowed funding"
Capitalism is officially a caricature of its own corpse
LukeJaywalker0@reddit
Show me a communist country that landed on the moon
lizardking99@reddit
Yeah, he funded it but if someone of the execs are to he believed he's actively funnelled away from positions where he has any say in how the money is used
PerterterhTermertehh@reddit
And the people saying musk funded it are full of shit. The US Treasury funded it, with your tax dollars.
the_shortbus_@reddit
Idc about the musk side of things, but rocket engines being brought down to a simplistic and light design is a huge leap in spacefaring technologies.
CoolJRT@reddit
I'd put my life in the hands of an old car with few parts used to assemble it compared to the new garbage that is covered in hoses wires and sensors, I'd do the same with a rocket engine - fewer parts = fewer things to fail
hairyballsinmybutt@reddit
I'm not a Musk fan, but the people who genuinely think they're smarter than him are actually fucking stupid.
somemeatball@reddit
Why do you say that? His greatest achievement is just being born rich.
Well, that and being so unlikable that Epstein didn’t want him around (not that he didn’t come back to the island later anyway, but still)
Proglamer@reddit
Hordes of people are 'born rich' (far richer than he was, even); where are their rocket/car companies and 'richest man ever' trophy?
LEERROOOOYYYYY@reddit
He borrowed $28,000 from his Dad for zip2 and sold it for $307,000,000 lol. He was definitely not born poor, but that's a pretty good ROI
somemeatball@reddit
It’s a good roi for sure, but it becomes far less impressive when you remember connections and insider information are also a side effect of having rich parents
LEERROOOOYYYYY@reddit
if connections and insider trading could turn $28k into $307 MILLION in 4 fucking years I'm pretty sure there would be quite a few more trillionaires right now haha
don't let your weird anti-elon fetish make you stupid, if everyone who's rich could do what he does, they would. At some point you've gotta give him a bit of credit
somemeatball@reddit
It’s almost like the whole reason insider trading is illegal and insider knowledge is such a big advantage is that not everyone can do it. My whole argument is that he’s only successful because of immense luck and privilege.
Also, Elon is only an almost trillionaire because of his connections to Trump allowed him to pull ahead of the rest of the billionaire pack by making the value of his companies explode through incestuous government contracts. Again, connections and privilege.
Also also, I’d say it’s weirder not to dislike Elon at this point, considering he’s a proven Pedophile who begged to party with Epstein. You do you tho.
LEERROOOOYYYYY@reddit
As someone said below - intelligence isn't just glazing him for everything or hating him for everything. You're allowed to have a nuanced take on everything in life, not just blindly follow whatever reddit believes in any odd year. He's a weirdo who did more with whatever wealth he had than every single other person ever. People are born with literally billions more than he did and do absolutely nothing with it, let alone invest in companies that revolutionize electric cars and commercialize space travel.
There's nothing wrong with saying he's done some really cool stuff and he's also a wierdo you're not expected to like. That's called having a healthy perspective.
Not expecting anything self-aware out of your response but did want to try and tell you that blindly rabidly hating anything because of what the internet tells you isn't healthy.
hairyballsinmybutt@reddit
You're not smarter than he is. Have some humility and accept the facts.
somemeatball@reddit
Elon isn’t particularly smart in general, that’s all I’m saying. Anyone with average intelligence born into his situation could easily recreate his success.
Thendrail@reddit
Might still be his biggest feat. Making the child rapists feel the ick.
ur_moms_boy-toy@reddit
You know, it would sound a lot more honest if you said: "I'm not an Elon Musk fan, but I genuinely believe he is the most intelligent person alive today."
hairyballsinmybutt@reddit
Lol
Stlr_Mn@reddit
“I’m not a musk fan but I will associate all of the engineering from his companies to him”
Extra_Passion_5754@reddit
I would suggest that running a multi-billion-dollar company (and more than one, to boot) is orders of magnitude more complex than building and iterating a rocket engine, but what do I know?
Darkmayday@reddit
You'd be wrong lol. Companies run themselves at that level.
Extra_Passion_5754@reddit
If it's so easy, why aren't you running a billion-dollar company?
Darkmayday@reddit
Cause my dad wasnt a rich mine owner? I was loving in government assited housing and now make 250k so I did well given the circumstances.
Extra_Passion_5754@reddit
Hey, here's a fun game to play.
Show me any source at all that says he was gifted millions of dollars to start his companies.
BeginningTypical3395@reddit
He’s not gonna let you suck lil bro
SunnySalads@reddit
Literally nothing then, because it isn't.
NS3000@reddit
what is that? i hear somthing? almost sounds like someone balls being gargled
hartzonfire@reddit
It's complex but it's not worth the salaries CEOs are paid. McKinsey was hired in the 70s to write trumped up reports stating that CEOs were underpaid and now here we are.
hairyballsinmybutt@reddit
And what are you doing with your life buddy?
Stlr_Mn@reddit
I’m an electrical engineering technologist.
Having heard Musk speak, he has an eloquent way of explaining simple engineering problems to people who know nothing about said subjects. But when pressed to expand on those subjects, he typically folds, changes the conversation or, and this is a common one, gets things wrong. He has a surface level understanding of most of what his companies do. He is, from almost all accounts you can find, a liability when it comes to actual engineering. I also have a suspicion in regard to his BA(not a BS) in physics on whether he actually earned it.
The man “was” one of the greatest salesman ever, but then he became an addict who literally lives on twitter. I genuinely suspect he fried his fucking brain. Maybe he was different 10 years ago, as that’s what I’ve been told from people with more knowledge, but I don’t know.
spastikatenpraedikat@reddit
Musk tried to fake he is one of the best Diablo IV players.
He went live on stream, and played Diablo IV, claiming he is the fourth best player in the world (or so) and somehow hoped that nobody would pick up that he has no idea what he is doing.
I am not a smart guy, but I cannot fathom how a person that is capable of any amount of rational thought would not immediately discard this idea. I genuinely want to know what he was thinking!
hairyballsinmybutt@reddit
You are not smarter than he is.
FullTimeHarlot@reddit
Depends on what you're comparing him to. I think it's safe to say he has great capability at business, even if he was born rich, but he's not an engineer or a technician where he made the products Space X or Tesla are known for. I'm 100% smarter than him socially and emotionally, not to mention in my own professional field.
He may be intelligent at a specific topic but he's not a wise man.
girlgamerpoi@reddit
Same as Trump and belle Delphine. They play the game and won. Those idiots got jebaited by the players.
Pompmaister@reddit
Musk isnt actually that smart. He's just rich.
romulusnr@reddit
More like "stuff all the wires inside"
MrMangobrick@reddit
Anon is right
Grand_Tempest@reddit
I still remember back in 2018-2019 when this website was riding his dick on the regular and now everyone hates him.
Siri2611@reddit
Yeah but how do you know what wires to remove
Its like coding, you just copy shit, but you gotta know what to copy and where to paste it
tlawrey20@reddit
“Reddit used to like him!” Is such a disingenuous argument. Yeah, when people learn more about a person, their views change. It’s become clearer and clearer he’s a piece of shit and guess what? People’s views changed in accordance! Seriously what is this argument even trying to say?
SpaceBug176@reddit
Am I the only one that got reminded of Peacock Skullgirls when they saw this?
Tho ngl, how many of you even know that game?
BadHairDayToday@reddit
This is some clear rage bait. Don't feed the troll.
KerbalGamer@reddit
It’s wild how precovid everyone thought he was the next Tony Stark and was a meme lord and stuff
Then yknow. Covid happened lmfao
dzernumbrd@reddit
Musks genius is taking credit for other people's work.
ConscientiousPath@reddit
anon thinks if you manage to improve on your design that makes you stupid rather than smart. anon doesn't know how engineering iteration works.
Infamous-Salad-2223@reddit
I recall a guy on you tube telling Elon about correcting a certain thing on his rockets, he likes babble something, maybe deflecting, I dunno, then time later the same guy notices the critique indeed found its way to the rocket, not sure Elon acknowledged that, maybe yes.
EH042@reddit
Next one will run exclusively on the WAAAGH energy
Adept-Platypus6676@reddit
I hate that capitalism forced a huge part of the world narrative to attribute desirable human trait toward people with large wealth , hope the name of the engineers are not footnotes in history text book
Regelneef@reddit
I’ve always said that he was a turbo autist, just look at the guy absolute fucking dork energy
MrLink4444@reddit
I think he is just a generic greedy and power obsessed billionaire that happened to own a company that looked promising and good for the enviroment. All his companies stock would probably skyrocket if he quits
Karhukolme@reddit
People can hate on Musk, and for good reason, don't get me wrong.
But the claim that Musk doesn't know anything about his companies is just plain wrong. For example, his former colleague Tom Mueller (with whom he founded SpaceX) has repeatedly described him as a brilliant engineer.
Hell, if it weren't for Musk, the US would have no way to launch astronauts into low earth orbit. Boeing's Starliner spacecraft which was supposed to compete with SpaceX's Dragon spacecraft suffered multiple failures and is no longer carrying humans to space.
So please hate Musk, but do it for the right reasons.
theceure@reddit
Oh yeah....I still have to hate Elon because the internet told me so. You almost let me forget internet......almost
geniusgravity@reddit
Anon can't tell pipes from wires.
Gehnuwin@reddit
The dalek
bruthu@reddit
When your life is saved at the hospital, thank the doctor, not the insurance. Musk ain’t no fucking doctor.
Answerisequal42@reddit
People forget that the only talent musk has is to invest in people smarter than him.
He isnt neccesarily stupid. He isnt neccesarily a genius. But he is for sure a cunt.
Nelocus@reddit
I'd say it's more to do with advances in material science and additive manufacturing than engineering. Engineers 25 years ago were held back by a lot of manufacturing methods but knew fundamentally what had to be done. Impressive regardless
source: edm machinist working on this stuff
Lord_Chromosome@reddit
This reminds me of how Musk was bragging that for the cybertruck, they got rid of a bunch of “unnecessary” wiring that cars usually have for “streamlining.” Except now every electrical component is basically tied together, so if one thing fails, everything fails. I’m no rocket scientist, but I wonder if anything similars going on here.
yung_gravity_@reddit
Remember kids most of the comments you read on Reddit are made from Elgin air force base
stuyboi888@reddit
Nothing to do with Musk. Lot of smart engineers and scientists
I'm going to guess as I am closer to the intelligence of a dog than the people who made this that in version 1 everything we see is essential. Now it's all cut down into version 3 and does the same if not better with less parts. Version 3 almost looks like it could be plug and play, i.e ohh there is an issue with the part sticking out on the right, okay cool, put on another one while we investigate the issue.
Musk simps are regarded but it's also regarded to think he had anything to do with this other than bankroll
yadius@reddit
Your dog IQ observation was accurate.
Snirion@reddit
Musk has nothing to do with SpaceX engineers being good at their job. As a matter of fact, Elon Musk is dead weight for those fine man and women who do real engineering and science at SpaceX.
SSobarzo@reddit
What baffles me is how people think the cover face of a brand is the one who does the research, design and development of all their products. Somehow after Job’s death iPhones are still being developed in the same way.
Tmccreight@reddit
I mean, that's moreso down to the incredible engineers at SpaceX. Musk has very little to do with the actual engineering side of SpaceX despite his title of "chief engineer"
vibe_assassin@reddit
Yea bro the same guy who designed the cybertruck is also designing rockets, sure
runway31@reddit
Politics aside, simplifying something as complex as a rocket motor to be lighter and simpler to assemble is impressive. Every additional part is weight and a chance of assembling wrong, every additional fitting is a place where it could leak, this design is porn to an aerospace engineer
comasxx@reddit
what about the whole team who rake their brains to make cOnE SHo0tS F1Re and then Musk name get yelled at/praised because they are on his payroll