A strategy ‘to make life intolerable’: Israeli settlers are driving Christians out of West Bank
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The Taybeh community has survived crusaders and the Ottoman and British empires, but the latest attacks leave its future in question
Taybeh, a small hilltop town in the heart of the West Bank is one of the oldest Christian communities in the world. After increasing attacks from Israeli settlers it now feels itself under siege and is fighting for its very existence.
The town’s ancient Greek name was Ephraim where, according to the gospels, Jesus hid with his disciples from the Jewish religious hierarchy, the Sanhedrin, before making his final fateful trip to Jerusalem.
A church was built here in the fifth century, and the entirely Christian community survived the crusaders, conquest by Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub or Saladin, the Ottoman empire, the British empire, and three Arab-Israeli wars, but its inhabitants say its long-term future is in question.
There are four substantial Israeli settlements around Taybeh, and countless unofficial outposts have also sprung up on the steep hills overlooking the Jordan valley. They have been set up by messianic Jews who send their young people, the “hilltop youth”, to harass and intimidate local Palestinians in the surrounding countryside.
The relentless land grabs and intimidation is a pattern repeated up and down the West Bank in a campaign the UN has called ethnic cleansing, which has been driven by hardline members of the ruling coalition, the finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, and the national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir.
After driving out Bedouin nomads and their flocks, Fawadleh said the settlers began to drive their cows and sheep into the olive groves and fields which have been Taybeh’s lifeblood for millennia.
Over the past year, the pressure has been turned up further. In July last year, settlers set fire to the grounds of the fifth–century Byzantine church, St Peter’s. Since then, bands of hilltop youth have raided the town four times, setting fire to cars, slashing tires and smashing windows.
On 19 March, the parish said about 30 settlers took over a concrete factory and stone quarry on the edge of Taybeh, raised the Israeli flag and held prayers on the site, in what was seen locally as a statement of intent that the interlopers would start taking over parts of the town itself.
In February, the security cabinet approved measures allowing Israelis to buy property in the occupied West Bank, an important step towards annexation.
What sets Taybeh apart from other besieged West Bank towns is its identity as a completely Christian town with ancient roots. This brings it a modicum of protection, such as from the harvest visits by diplomats, but it also makes the community as a whole more vulnerable. Western countries generally have been more welcoming to Palestinian Christians than their Muslim neighbours, meaning it is easier for them to leave – which is what has been happening.
See also:
- The Fire in the West Bank Is Burning Hotter, Out of Sight (New York Times)
- Palestinians in occupied West Bank face growing violence from Israeli settlers (PBS)
- Blaming Settler Violence on Messianic Racism Misses the Real Story • The liberal camp is overlooking the deeper shift inside religious Zionism, as the hilltop youth move from the margins into the mainstream (Haaretz)
- Israeli leaders are condemning settler attacks. It’s a smokescreen • The recent wave of denunciations from ministers, army chiefs, and right-wing pundits aims to obscure the fact that settler violence is state policy. (+972 Magazine)
wimmick@reddit
u/cnn just some more fascist shit for you guys to ignore… what happened to “protecting” Christians? Isnt that kind of the whole thing you guys at u/cnn have been saying about israel, that they are the “protectors of christianity in the region” or some shit?
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Hmm, I wonder what could have happened in the past few years to cause some settlers to be upset and lash out. This is blowback, pure and simple.
Ironic for an Irish guy to call terrorism to try to drive foreign colonizers out of an indigenous homeland "fascist shit."
wimmick@reddit
Since when are Palestinians “foreign colonisers”? Get some help bro
Stubbs94@reddit
You kinda wish pricks like that are at least getting paid for it. Otherwise it's just sad.
CatchesFallingKnives@reddit
Wait, are you claiming that Israeli settlers are indigenous or am I misunderstanding you here? Jewish Israelis are mostly relatively recent immigrants. Jews made up a low single digit percent of Palestine's population prior to mass immigration in the mid 1900s onward.
I'll take this opportunity to also point out that Palestinians are genetically mostly descended from ancient Levant populations like Canaanites, Jews, and Samaritans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians#Levantine_origins
Palestinians have far, far, far more to be upset and lash out about than any Israeli does, but I doubt your generous view of Israeli terrorism extends to when Palestinians do a small fraction of what Israelis do.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Jews are the indigenous nation, Arabs are foreign colonizers.
So are Jordanians, Syrians, Turks, and Egyptians. Are they all indigenous to Palestine too?
Hardly, considering Palestinians could have peace at literally any time and refuse to because they want to destroy Israel.
CatchesFallingKnives@reddit
The MENA region was conquered by the Arabs and their language and religion was spread during said conquest and in the centuries following it. They did not replace the populations they conquered.
Do you consider Peruvians or Ecuadorians to be foreign colonizers because they speak Spanish and are Catholic? They don't look Spanish to me. They're genetically still mostly the same populations that existed in their areas thousands of years ago. I don't consider them to be foreign colonizers, so I don't consider Palestinians to be foreign colonizers, either.
Syrians and Western Jordanians are actually part of the same genetic cluster as ancient Canaanites, but that most certainly is not the case for Egyptians or Turks.
I've read into what kinds of "peace offers" Israel has offered the Palestinians, and they've been entirely unreasonable and blatant attempts to codify and normalize Apartheid and Bantustanification through treaty.
Out of morbid curiosity, would you mind sharing if you're even Jewish or if you're an Evangelical Christian (or perhaps some other denomination of Christian)?
Czart@reddit
By that definition, the only places that actually got "colonised" would be North America.
EH1987@reddit
No, because Europeans for example set up actual colonies where they sent people all over the world. Colonized peoples adoption the language and customs of their colonizers doesn't make them cononizers but it also doesn't mesn they weren't colonized.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Of course they did. The populations weren't Arabs, then now they are Arabs. That's called replacement. Or "Arabization", look it up.
I'm glad you admit Arabs conquered MENA and therefore cannot claim to be indigenous.
If they called themselves "Spanish" and "part of the Spanish nation", I certainly would. The way the Palestinians call themselves "Arabs" and "an indistinguishable part of the Arab nation".
You're cracking me up, man. "People descended from Jews are indigenous but Jews are colonizers."
Ashkenazi Jews are also part of that same genetic cluster, so by your standard, not mine, they're just as indigenous as Syrians and Jordanians. Make it make sense.
"A 2020 study on human remains from Middle Bronze Age Southern Levantine (2100–1550 BC) populations suggests a significant degree of genetic continuity in Arabic-speaking Levantine populations (such as Palestinians, Druze, Lebanese, Jordanians, Bedouins, and Syrians), as well as several Jewish groups (such as Ashkenazi, Iranian, and Moroccan Jews)"
Can you answer my question, then? Are Western Syrians and Jordanians also indigenous to Palestine?
Have you read what "peace offers" the Palestinians have offered Israel? Oh wait, they've never offered any. Not one in 75+ years.
I do mind, I don't say anything about myself personally on Reddit and you're a creep for asking.
linknight@reddit
So going based purely on genetics, are Palestinians descendants of the ancient Jews, the ones that claim Israel as their homeland?
DivideMind@reddit
Of course, intelligence tools know to reveal nothing, that's in your onboarding.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Go ahead and tell Reddit all about yourself and open yourself to doxxing, knock yourself out. I'm just not going to.
ChillAhriman@reddit
Knowledge and reason are foreign colonizers in your brain, keep fighting the good fight and keep them out!
kapsama@reddit
Lol @ these hasbara lies. Israel was founded by European settler colonialists with zero ties to the region.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Israel was founded by Jews who are direct descendants of ancient Canaanites and an indigenous nation to the land.
kapsama@reddit
No it was founded by people who look like Slavs with zero connection to the Levant. A supremacist European settler project based in hateful 19th century ideology.
Drab_Majesty@reddit
Hang on... Jews came after the Canaanites, you can't just choose an arbitrary point in time that suits you LMAO
IAMADon@reddit
Converts to Judaism must be more "indigenous" than Jews who converted to Christianity or Islam seeing as the former has the right to "return" to Israel and the latter loses it, then?
If they lived in Palestine for generations, yes. If their immediate descendents were terrorists who openly stated their intent to colonise Palestine, then no.
When all else fails, DARVO, eh?
Stubbs94@reddit
He'll just always defend Israel, no matter what it does. He's a psychopath. I blocked him because of it.
lonelyMtF@reddit
You're arguing against one of Israel's most persistent online warriors, you'd have better results talking to a brick wall
fudgemental@reddit
SYBAU Zionist absolutely nothing done to Israelis (not Jews, Israelis) even comes close being a fraction of the pain and suffering they've inflicted on their neighbours and the world over the past 80 years.
KaiBahamut@reddit
Hrmm, I wonder what happened before 2023 to make the Palestinians lash out? That was blowback, pure and simple. If the IDF wasn't there to protect them, the Hilltop Youth would not be so brave.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Palestinian Arabs were murdering Jews in Israel before the state of Israel even existed. They were the ones causing the lashing out, not the ones doing it.
KaiBahamut@reddit
A foreign power told them they were going to give half their land to foreigners who made up a third of the population, after mass immigration within the last few decades.
Here's a question- if millions of evangelicals moved to Israel, then the USA demanded that Israel give them half of Israel's land so they can form their own Christian Homeland in the Holy Land, would you expect the Israeli's to meekly agree to the foreign powers demands? Especially if hundreds of thousands of Israelis would be forced out of their homes for the Christians to live in?
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
If the Israeli government didn't exist and the US was the government of Israel, I would expect Jews living in Israel to not gun down random Christians living there peacefully and I would expect them to comply with the instructions of their government. Also, Jews are indigenous to Israel, American Christians and Arabs aren't, so your analogy fails.
You seem to be anti-immigration. Does that mean you support Trump's Muslim ban, preventing Muslims from moving to the United States?
KaiBahamut@reddit
It wasn't the Jews land either, it belonged to the Ottomans, then the Brits. The brits gave it to the Zionist Jews to found an ethnostate and ethnically cleansed the local population.
So you are a guy who would have told Jews to comply with the instructions of Nazi Germany then, huh? Kapo.
I'm anti colonialism, where a foreign empire brings in foreigners to displace the native population with violence. It's not my fault you're an anti-semite who doesn't think Jews belong in Europe or America or anywhere and should be sent back to 'where they came from.'
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Right, so the Brits could give it to who they wanted.
It was a nation-state just like the 23 Arab states and 50 Muslim states, and they didn't ethnically cleanse anyone, much less the Arab squatters.
I don't see how "it's wrong to murder random Christians" is equivalent to "the instructions of Nazi Germany" but that's probably because I have a conscience and a moral code.
So recognize that Jews are the native population to Israel and Arabs are the foreigners. Arab colonization of Israel is an indisputable fact of history.
You anti-Semites told Jews "go back to Palestine" and then when they went there you say "get out of Palestine." We all know how the game works.
KaiBahamut@reddit
Yeah, it was European anti semties who helped you found Israel? Is this news to you? It's the same anti semites who want Jews to die fighting Arabs instead of Christians. If Israel ever stops being useful, they will let all of the Jews there die.
Nazi Germany was the government of the Jews in Germany- and in the countries it annexed- so by your moral code, they should have obeyed with the humiliation and murder of their people.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
The British never implemented a policy of "humiliation and murder." What's "humiliating" about allowing the indigenous Jewish people their rights?
You claim you're anti-colonialism, but you're so very very upset that the British implemented a decolonial policy, allowing the indigenous Jewish people self-determination in their indigenous homeland. Are you sure you're not actually pro-Arab colonialism?
LineOfInquiry@reddit
Democracy is when the majority of a population votes against something but it happens anyway due to intervention from an outside power (who then doesn’t even follow their own law)
Guaire1@reddit
They lived and worked there, for generations inmemorial, so it was their land
Gubbinso@reddit
I'm sure those same terrorists would be upset about you legitimising the state of Palestine by joining Gaza and the West Bank.
"It's okay for terrorists to commit terror attacks because this other terrorist group from a different part of the occupied territory commited a terror attack."
You would find a way to justify Israel carpet bombing your neighbourhood, wouldn't you?
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
I'm not justifying anything, I'm just explaining why settler violence is increasing. Or did you think Palestine could massacre hundreds of innocent men women and children and just get away with it with no consequences?
AuroraPo@reddit
Holy shit, you truly are a genocidal prick, aren’t you? I pray you know the same pain the Palestinians go through everyday while you sit in your cozy cushy home celebrating their demise.
BlessedStorm77@reddit
So you are justifying terrorism against Palestinians. Degenerate behaviour.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
I'm not justifying anything, I'm just explaining why settler violence is increasing.
BlessedStorm77@reddit
Thats justification, implying the Palestinians deserve it. Why are you supporting terrorism?
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
It's not justification, it's an explanation. Are you capable of understanding the difference?
BlessedStorm77@reddit
Your question implies all the Palestinians deserve it. Why are you justifying terrorism?
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
It implies nothing of the kind. If you believe that, that's on you, not me.
BlessedStorm77@reddit
Here you are justifying terrorism as "driving out foreign colonizers."
bmc2@reddit
Did you think Israel could massacre 10s of thousands of Palestinian women and children and just get away with it with no consequences?
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Answer my question and I'll answer yours.
bmc2@reddit
You do see the logical fallacy here, right?
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Answer my question and I'll answer yours.
bmc2@reddit
LOL. So that's a no.
soalone34@reddit
The most absurd part no one talks about is that many European and US companies continue to work with and profit from the settlements.
It is insane they can fund segregation, pogroms and lynchings and essentially receive no push back from the media or society.
These are some of them
mga92@reddit
Christian Zionists makes no sense either, do they think Israel actually cares about the local Christians? Not just in Palestine but Lebanon, they bomb churches as well but no sound from the American evangelicals about it.
seiryuu-abi@reddit
Palestinian Christians aren’t protestant so they follow the “wrong” church and in many cases for evangelicals it puts them in the exact same category as non-Christians.
EH1987@reddit
They don't care about Israel in that sense, they want Israel to triggar the apocalypse.
seiryuu-abi@reddit
“The Fire in the West Bank Is Burning Hotter, Out of Sight.” What else can be expected from a New York Times article title at this point. Curious to see what charges will be meted out to these youth (/s).
Naurgul@reddit (OP)
The title has since been changed to "Israel’s New Death Penalty Law Is a Warning". It's an opinion piece written by Talia Sasson, an Israeli prosecutor who has been critical of Israel's conduct in the West Bank for decades. She's known for the 2005 Sasson Report which revealed how Israel had been diverting state money to fund illegal settlements.
She's also the president of the biggest progressive NGO in Israel. From Wikipedia:
She's an ally.
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