Best solution - try telling boys they matter too and giving them support in the things they want - like getting a good job and not being belittled in the media
Teaching is a women dominated field and it has been shown discrimination is shown towards make students with male students consistently scoring lower than females when the teacher knows their gender while grading, compared to a blind grading. No wonder dudes tune out early, the first experience you have with the education system is discriminatory and it’s against you. It’s not necessarily explicit bias towards the girls, most people inherently prefer catering to them because they’re more likely to sit there and be cooperative even if they’re bored and tuned out.
Im a dude in the public (elementary) education system and the first year was kinda rough but now all of my students respond to me because I try as much as possible to attend to every bodies needs, rather than just the girls because they’re the easiest to handle.
"Mansplaining" is just as a derogatory term as any other. It belittles mens' opinions when it actually matters. Sure, some dude might be a dumbass idiot that thinks his opinions are correct 100% of the time. But if you generalise all men as the same, it's a you issue.
Mansplaining means explaining something to a woman as if they wouldn't know it, because they're a woman. Telling a mechanic woman how to change their tires properly, for an example.
Ah, so that's why feminists think every case of a man correcting/helping a woman is mansplaining. They always assume it comes from a place of prejudice. Assuming the worst of others without evidence is prejudice, too, and it hurts just as much.
"Actually you're just as bad for assuming that me thinking you're operating on the level of a toddler that needs basic concepts explained to them was malicious."
Sure. If only there were countless amounts of feminist literature exploring the topic, but alas we have to go on without any evidence of this phenomena.
Care to share any of this literature? I have never in my life seen the term "mansplaining" used to describe genuinely patronizing behavior by men in positions of power. Is there any evidence that it's a gendered phenomenon, or should we start calling out "womansplaining" too?
Scientific literature encompasses a vast body of academic papers that spans various disciplines within the natural and social sciences. It primarily consists of academic papers that present original empirical research and theoretical contributions. These papers serve as essential sources of knowledge and are commonly referred to simply as "the literature" within specific research fields.
The fact you dont even realize how stupid this is insane. Explaining things to others is part of normal human conversation, im not gonna backtrack every 5 seconds to ask if the person im talking to knows x or y, im just gonna make sure we both know what we're talking about and if you already know then good, if you didnt know you do and no fuss was made about it, and if im wrong you can correct me and we can be on the same understanding.
Mansplaining is their word for when men do something patronising to someone they don’t consider a threat. It’s a real phenomenon but we do the same thing to men we disregard.
I love how you think your conversations are so deep you'd need to baby someone every 5 seconds if you didn't explain basic concepts the other person would understand as well. A hit dog hollering.
The textbook definition is a man explaining something condescendingly to a woman, specifically in a field she is more knowledgeable in than him, the latter being the main qualifier in most definitions.
In 97.68% of real world uses it means a woman is mad at a man for disagreeing with her, and/or unwilling to admit when she's wrong.
In the remaining cases the man is just as condescending to other men, he just doesn't call them sweetie.
I wouldnt be bringing this up on reddit after years if i didn’t feel wronged at the time and if it was that particular teacher’s only instance of treating male students differently
You feeling wronged doesn't mean you didn't try to mansplain something to them. I don't believe you or most people here are willing to understand what the term means, based on the "It's when a man is right about anything, bro." replies. A 14 year old can have a weird sense of pride, that gets wounded when rightfully questioned.
Awww. Poor baby 🍼. That must've been SO hard. What a mean bully. Are you okay? After something so serious recovery can probably take a long time. And when you were 14? How dare she. Everyone knows that All 14yo boys are immune to prejudice. Literally she deserves to go to jail for traumatizing you with the notion that a 14yo boy might do something wrong. Seek justice, because this is wrong on so many levels.
In all seriousness tho if she accused you of mansplaining than that's probably what you were doing. Considering mansplaining is such a specific and unique word, using it incorrectly would probably make one sound like Micheal Scott.
Have you ever considered that someone that someone just hates you, and is being a bitch?
I've had a female teacher that has always hated me for no reason, other than being jealous of my mother. She hated my mother so she directed her anger towards me.
I don't think I've seen a finer example of "this person is 100% unpleasant and bitter in their daily life" than this shit right here, at least in recent memory.
The left does not have an alternative to the masculinity alt right pipeline. They have done very little to engage young men while doing a lot to engage young women. In the absence of any support from the left, young men have shifted to the right.
The world is mostly run by men in leadership positions both in public and private institutions. Therefore to increase women in these positions young women are getting a lot of support and encouragement.
However this ignores the fact that young men are being left behind compared to young women in almost every category. The young people of today are not the same people as those that currently run the world.
Young men see this inequality and react with anger. The manosphere simply taps into that anger.
This is tough to hear, honestly, because you’re not wrong, and it sucks. This isn’t to say there aren’t men trying (not at least what I’ve seen in my circle), but I won’t deny it’s not enough people, and I think it’s because sometimes it feels hopeless. How do you stop hate when it’s easy?
I remember seeing this video about this mother talking about how one day her son just woke up and was spewing far-red pill rhetoric, and she didn’t know where it came from.
Hatred is a quick and easy instant reaction that one can feel and easily run away with. Understanding (the opposite of hatred imo) takes patience, effort to learn, and the desire to not feel hatred.
I personally hate men, because I am afraid of them, and had the first 3 decades of my life stolen from me by medical misogyny. If I so desired, I could speak with various men to understand them better, or read psychology books or something. But I do not have the desire to remove that hatred right now, it will take high effort for little payoff. Hating you all is so much easier, and the anger fuels me in fixing my health issues.
It's not healthy, it helps nobody, and it's worse for greater society to hold onto hatred. But it sure is fucking easy.
Being a man hater is cringe and a sign of low intelligence.
But just because I said that, doesn't mean I don't sympathize with your lived experiences. You're traumatized and need therapy if you're still feeling this way.
I don't think it's kind to pathologize people's experiences. You may have no idea the things that some women have been thru even if you are a woman. You may be one of the sorts they prefer, so they've treated you differently.
Ok I feel that big time. I'm kind of on that part of my journey myself. I'm a woman, and not the type men like. I've been asking myself a lot of questions lately, like is it moral to 'hate' people just because a significant amount of them hate/dislike/disapprove of me? My honest answer is no. I can't hate anyone just because they seem to hate me. I just stay away.
It's a huge issue that many many women go through, that most men (and some women) love to dismiss. You're right that it's not moral to hate someone who dislikes you. Luckily, my hatred stems from systemic oppression and direct abuse, which I think warrants some hatred. I avoid interactions, and am polite when they happen, but I 100% cannot stand the idea of them. Motherfuckers always trying to take my rights away and make me feel small because of how I was born, they are just evil on the whole.
Idk how different the UK is from the US but as a certified quiet observant kid I ca tell you the loud obnoxious kids were boys 98% of the time. Not all the boys were obnoxious obviously but almost always it was boys
Tbh I wouldnt say I did either, I was in higher level classes but there’s a lot of research showing that implicit bias is shown towards girls especially when it comes to grading and disciplinary outcomes. Now that I work in the education system tho, I definitely see what those studies are saying, as a kid I didn’t really have the whole picture
My younger brother had an early primary teacher who let all the girls out five minutes early. Then let the boys drip feed out based on how much she liked them. That was nearly thirty years ago at a progressive school where a vitriolic ideologue was allowed to lash out at children for her perception of historic injustice.
If you’re actually unaware of how widespread that dynamic is or how it’s feeding into the problems being described here it’s on you for being out of touch and I dare say ideological enough that you can’t see the antagonism.
I’m not out of touch and it has nothing to do with ideology. I moved to the US and went through elementary to high school in charter schools. I never saw any of this, but this is my experience and I’m not speaking for anyone else.
I pointed it out in my first response but in studies where teachers were asked to grade twice, once with the names (and genders) of the students vs one where they were blind, it has been found girls consistently were scored higher even if they made the same mistakes.
Reddit is not far from Manosphere influence. This dude is just cherry picking blame and placing it back on women, specifically female teachers. It's all in the same vein of blaming women for being assaulted because they wear provocative clothing.
How about we talk about male teachers grooming young female students.
Why are we comparing their sentences to the female teachers who do the same thing? I would be willing to bet we find some very interesting discrepancies.
I doubt this is a serious question, but it's a microcosm of the social reason why it happens in the first place.
You've got these boys being treated a little worse in most facets of their lives. It's not just their teachers, that's just a symptom of a larger problem. They're being bombarded with a script that says they're lesser humans because they're boys. They will become men, and men are bad. They are toxic. They are less important. Everything bad in the world is men's fault. It's coming at them from every angle, and they listen. Not all of them, but enough of them.
And then along comes someone who says hey, it's okay to be a dude. The world left you behind, but we didn't. They offer a sense of belonging. They offer understanding. And unfortunately, a solid portion of the loudest voices telling boys that they don't need to be ashamed of who they are is made up of red-pill ideologists. And so they get drawn into the web in the same way that Germany got drawn into Hitler's web. Charisma, yes, but also because he promised to fix what was deeply broken in a time when people were giving up. It didn't matter that it was lies because those lies felt better than the alternative.
This is a known problem. There are more and more left-wing voices speaking up and saying more needs to be done to address the root cause of young boys and men being alienated from society in the first place. That the messaging needs to change or something because it's just driving an engine that only gets stronger with time. They're shouting from the rooftops saying that when you alienate, dehumanize, and ostracize people on a basis of their immutable identity that they cannot change... Those people tend to find each other. They don't want to be lonely. And it's the angriest voices that get heard.
The response has largely been "not our problem that men suck" which, as you may imagine, kinda serves to underline the core issue that's making things worse.
Adding to this, boys are told that they have power by their teachers. At that age, they’ve experienced no power.
The majority of teachers are women, & one of their parents is a woman, & they might have a big sister. All they see is women holding power over them, so the idea that they’re oppressing women makes no sense in their mind.
No absolutely and I have heard that argument plenty. The pendulum is swinging quite hard in the opposite way right now in a way which has become unfair. However I don't believe the type of kids that are falling down these rabbit holes are predominantly doing it in a vacuum at home.
Look at how vitriolic the working class right has become, almost on par with Trump supporters. If they're going home and talking about girls in their class or their teachers a certain way do you think their dads are correcting it?
The working class as a whole does not act like that seeing as they make up the vast majority of the world. You, in a way, insulted the vast majority of the world.
Same with your previous reply. You seem to overstate the influence of people like Andrew Tate, and by making it a broad statement, you invalidate your own criticism.
Female teacher is a dick to male students because they’re male>students see Andrew Tate calling women stupid>a prominent female figure in their life is stupid>students agree with Andrew Tate
Well, it’s a good thing that the “redpill ideology” definitely doesn’t focus on, say, emphasizing that anyone trying to tell you you’re wrong is a victim of systemic indoctrination or anything.
They are children? I’m sure you’ve been making totally logical decisions since birth, but keep expecting angsty teens to make well thought out choices.
You’re not totally wrong, I’ve seen many students who don’t act like their the first teacher. However many students don’t receive affirmation from their immediate family will look for it first from extended family and then at school. Teachers need to be more empathetic to the issues students deal with at home in general because they’re often the last line of defense against serious socialisation issues
I'm glad you are accommodating all of your students needs and would argue that is the mindset of any good teacher. That doesn't explain the rise in misogyny however.
We need more male primary school teachers in general. The education system already bends over backwards to try and recruit more, but likely due to cultural biases men are disinclined to go for such roles.
That's fucking bullshit. We're all humans and we need to learn how to interact with other humans. I'm a dude and I've had absolutely wonderful teachers and massive fucking cunts, irrespective of sex.
The difference is I grew up un the 2000s when the prevailing discourse was that we all need to get along and progress and eventually we'll all be able to live together.
Whereas kids today are funneled into right wing echo chambers by psychopaths preying on their insecurities, financed by billionaires who want to destroy the fabric of society and break us appart.
I don't feel like anything, but what I see is a general acceptance even agreement of statements like rhat, or more often softer rhan that, whereas equivalent statements against women are met with vitriol.
My first statement was supposed to express why statements against women are met with more vitriol. Misogyny is more powerful politically.
there are political movements in many developed countries that aim to take away access to stuff like birth control and abortion because they think that's "gonna teach the hoes a lesson" and somehow fix the demographic decline
What do you mean by "more powerful politically"? Because it seems to me that it's more cared about in comparison to misandry because misandry is conaidered acceptable or even positive. Thus why I say men are societal punching bags.
I don't know that any party advertises their policy as anti-hoe. I'm not too familiar with the situations around birth control, but I do know that birth control was grandfathered in, if it was made today it wouldn't make it to market, so conserns about birth control in that vein are understandable.
Abortion is not a black and white pro-woman anti-woman aregument. It's pro-choice vs pro-life. It's a very complicated issue. Most of europe has a very reasonable 1st trimester no questions abortion, and anything after that requires medical necessity. Much of north america goes much further than that, allowing 2nd or even 3rd trimester abortion. A few states have banned it as well from what I understand, but they are very much in the minoriry.
At worst these policies aim not at women, but at promiscuity in general, women are just the ones most saddled with the consiquences-- if men bore the children the men would be saddled with them instead.
The right want to enslave women and minorities. I think it's pretty fucking normal to hate someone who wants to take away your rights and force you into a life of servitude. If this shit was just about the economy, sure, we can ignore the hate-flinging. Men aren't societal punching bags, you idiots are yelling from the rooftops about how much you want to own (abuse) a woman, and then crying that none will date you. Gtfo here with that "woe is me, boohoo I'm a man" bullshit.
No, kids today are funneled into right wing echo chambers by left wing psychopaths nurturing their insecurities. Preaching to young men that they are evil and the cause of every issue in society tends to do that.
kids today are funneled into right wing echo chambers by psychopaths preying on their insecurities, financed by billionaires who want to destroy the fabric of society and break us appart.
If you have trouble attracting men to a profession that allows for an entire summer of leave every summer that is a skill issue.
I mean, in general, schools around the world pay teachers like shit, give them a ton of extra bullshit busywork to do, blame them for students refusing to learn, and disallow and sort of effective discipline. Then the turn around and act all shocked Pikachu when the struggle to find teachers.
Teachers use the 3 months to grade fall semester papers, work with any students who may need remedial classes, and set up a teaching plan for next year.
My dad was a lecturer. He took maybe 2 weeks to grade all his papers.
When I was in school, exam results would normally come out about a week or 2 after exams finished. Ergo it was the same in school.
Prep for the new year can't take more than a week. I know this because the teachers at my school would only be back less than a week before students.
remedial classes
Teachers should get paid extra for taking on such extra work.
Man are you a fool?
Maybe. But you definitely are so stuck on "but this is how we've always done it!" To actually think about solutions. Fact is that teachers are leaving the profession, there is a massive shortage, there is a problem with burnout. A full month leave may help with that no? So surely there is some way to get useless admin out the way and let teachers focus on actually teaching.
Yeah, and it also works out that if not enough people want to do this job, it leads to some major fucking issues. So unless you're proposing just massively increasing taxes to increase teacher pay significantly, you need to find other ways to make the job more appealing.
but jobs often do not have paid month offs.
In every civilized country, you are guaranteed paid leave for about a month. Normally you can take this whenever you want. Can't really do that as a teacher, so only fair to get more leave overall.
Buddy you are paying them to do this already. This isn't extra work.
You're paying them to teach kids. They did that in the regular semester. If they have to teach a kid extra, that's extra work dummy.
And this is completely wrong. Their work is to teach kids. If they need to teach a kid again it means they are teaching a kid. Their job is to teach, so teaching a kid in the remedial classes is pre-existing part of their job.
Sure, I am not gonna argue with that. But I belive the reaction is intentionaly disproportionate because almost all institutions cover up their minor abuse cases and yet the church is by far the most attacked one.
Your right, there's definitely no skewed comparison between a dataset representing over 70 years of reports and one single study applied to a few thousand people in 4 states over 1 year.
Let's not forget that out of the 11.7% of abuse that supposedly equates to double the amount thats in the Catholic church, 11% of that is categorized as "sexual comments". While all 4.4% of the churches is categorized as 'sexual abuse".
Do you people even fucking read the articles you try to use to make your points? Or, I don't know, check the validity of the process behind it? Or do you all just see 2 numbers and say "oh, look, ones bigger than the other, and its on the internet so it must be true"
Unfortunately statistics aren't quite that simple.
You cant just compare two random studies that didnt collaborate or compare parameters at all.
Seriously, one was published by an open access medical journal based out of Germany and the other was written by a clinical psychologist from Pennsylvania.
If you dont think these things are relevant you probably shouldn't be making up statistics based two unrelated studies.
Then doesn't it make sense intuitively that child abusers are more likely to self select into teaching? Why spend 8 years at the seminary getting a masters when you can spend 4 years at college?
Single-sex schooling is how you get more incels. Kids need to learn how to interact with people of different genders, you’re just delaying the problem.
Yeah cause it definitely helps kids learn when they’re absolutely exhausted. I know that I did all my best learning when I was falling asleep at my desk.
Like, PE is obviously important and its good for kids to learn how and to be active, but the first half of your suggestion is already done and the second half is so vague and subjective that implementing something like that would be a nightmare
It's always funny when people report on toxic masculinity as if it's "when men are being mean women." Instead of, y'know, being what it actually is, which is when men's gender roles are actively harmful to them. This is why no one even takes the words "toxic masculinity" seriously anymore.
Like, imagine if we took a fraction of the attention we give to men being mean to other people and instead gave that attention to the fact that - for some mysterious reason - men are 4 times more likely to kill themselves than women? Or how about the fact that men are 8 times more likely to be murdered and 27 times more likely to be victims of police brutality?
Bs. Toxic masculinity definitely exists. You people just can't comprehend that morons like Andrew Tate are the ones who build a system where men are miserable and should constantly be in competition, not women who trying to teach you geography in case of this post.
No. Feminism built a system where men are miserable and constantly in competition. Andrew Tate isn't a visionary, he's a grifter who makes bank on exploiting people that were already miserable.
Nobody, because that's not how reality works. Top-down causality is not a thing, there are no puppet masters controlling the world and "setting up systems" for fuck sakes.
I dunno. I sure didn't. The system was already set up the day I was born.
But seriously, though. "Men are responsible for their own oppression" is not the gotcha you think it is. Do you have any idea how much of misogyny is coming from other women?
It has nothing to do with that, but all to do with culture and demographics.
The 40% of students in English and Welsh schools come from an ethnic minority background. That is a huge, significant amount of people, very noticeable... Furthermore : White people are a minority in 25% of all schools. 72 schools in Britain have no white children whatsoever. 454 schools had fewer than 2% white students. 22% of school children have a first language other than english.
Many minorities simply have different values and a different outlook on women. Many minorities do not teach their children to respect others, but instead this is supposed to be taught by (male) teachers, but western schools do not do that, where instead the respect is supposed to be taught by parents and teachers focus on knowledge. So this ensures that non-western children have a worse education and mistreat their (female ) teachers. In western countries the majority of teachers are female too, so another hurdle ( and no I am not making this up : https://www.seekteachers.com/blog/bridging-the-educational-gap-teaching-in-the-middle-east-and-navigating-cultural-differences/ For any aspiring teacher who wants to teach in the Middle East, the teacher has to adapt to their culture of discipline, respect and authority, so the teacher needs to step up.
One fundamental difference between teaching in the Middle East and the West lies in the importance placed on respect and authority. Middle Eastern cultures often value hierarchical structures and authority figures, including teachers. Students are expected to show reverence to their educators and demonstrate obedience in the classroom. This cultural emphasis on respect shapes the dynamics of the teacher-student relationship, fostering an environment of deference.
Western, majority-female teachers and our education system is simply not like that. We are completely unprepared for this. And instead of talking about the actual problems and reasons, we pretend like it's white people getting radicalized by Andrew Tate, Social Media or something. When this is simply the consequence of demographic changes and the cultural differences, not just between western and non-western cultures, but the lack of preparedness of western institutions for these cultural differences. We simply do not have a lot of male teachers or the same outlook that teachers are supposed to instill respect and authority.
( And the parents will also not really respect teachers who fail to enforce discipline and respect )
[ Funfact, the majority of Red Pill and Manosphere content creators are non-white, and their audience is primarily non-white too. It's literally content by Ethnic minorities in the West for ethnic Minorities in the West. ]
So yeah, the problems will become more apparent in the future. Multiculturalism only works if you enforce it with strict rules like Singapore. It works when you have a dominant culture which enforces rules, like what Colonial Empires did in the past... It doesn't work what we do today.
‘We need white culture to step up and become dominant so we can preserve purity in the classrooms because disrespect for women is simply built into the biology of ethnic minorities’ holy shit I have never seen such a chud in my life
How to lie with statistics 101:
Step 1: round up bad numbers. 38% school kids are minorities, not 40%.
Step 2: do not clarify terms like "minority ethnicity", hoping the reader pictures scary foreign brown people and not, you know, white Europeans who make up the large portion of those minorities.
Step 3: de-emphasise the figures that paint the wrong picture; note how this post says white British are a minority in 25% schools rather than the majority in 75%. Note "72 schools have no white students", but doesn't mention that this is out of nearly 26,000 schools in England and Wales.
The rest is just bullshit with weird claims, such as how it's supposedly bad that Asians, "show reverence to teachers in the classroom". It also seems to drop the use of statistics when making it's claims; for instance, it's inconvenient that the majority of teachers in Pakistan are women, Pakistan being the largest Muslim minority in the UK, so it doesn't get mentioned. That might undermine the claim that the foreigners require men in the classrooms to teach their kids respect.
40% "white British", ie not including white people from anywhere else, such a Germany or Ireland. Also not including non-white British who may be 5th or 10th generation immigrants.
u/habba88 I saw you wrote quite an insulting reply, and then deleted it. You claimed that the first link doesn't prove what I claim... Though considering you deleted it, you must have read the link then, now right ? I don't care about the insult, I am more curious if that changed your mind though ? Since seemingly believe or did believe that it's not as bad as the stats show ? Just for reference, here is the link again.
Across all school types, 38.0% of pupils are from minority ethnic backgrounds, which is an increase of one percentage point since 2024, continuing the increasing trend. This varies by school type:
38.4% in primary schools (up from 37.4% in 2023/24)
37.8% in secondary schools (up from 36.6% in 2023/24)
32.0% in special schools (up from 31.7% in 2023/24)
25.4% in AP schools (down from 25.8% in 2023/24)
These figures do not include those where ethnicity is unclassified.
Thats why I sent the government link. And that's why its important to highlight this. The people who claim it's social media simply do not know anything. It's literally just demographic changes.
38.0% of pupils are from a minority ethnic background
Across all school types, 38.0% of pupils are from minority ethnic backgrounds, which is an increase of one percentage point since 2024, continuing the increasing trend. This varies by school type:
38.4% in primary schools (up from 37.4% in 2023/24)
37.8% in secondary schools (up from 36.6% in 2023/24)
32.0% in special schools (up from 31.7% in 2023/24)
25.4% in AP schools (down from 25.8% in 2023/24)
These figures do not include those where ethnicity is unclassified.
See you might think that there’s some moral failing present, or a lesson to be learned from this, but actually it’s about British schoolchildren, one of the few groups of humanity that should have no rights.
Haha funnt and all that. But there is a lot to learn from this about positive masculinity and good male role models. More male teachers, more male role models outside of these boys' fathers would have such a meaningful impact on their development and by proxy society as a whole.
Biggest hole in the article there. I'm not inclined to discard the article in general, because I increasingly do hear guys saying pretty vile things about women, but without specific examples it's impossible to get an idea of how serious the problem is. Which just makes it look like they knew their examples would look silly.
What if we stop letting women be teachers and we allow for teachers to use corporal punishment. But we also make the teachers wear body cameras and if there’s any funny business with the kiddies, the punishment is death by wood chipper.
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Boy I wonder what religion most of the boys are? Could it be the one that teaches that women are at best second class and you shouldnt listen to anything they say?
I mean obviously misogyny is bad and whatever but this isn’t new, teachers have always got shit from some kids, and it’s unpleasant but you need to get yourself together
nah it is getting worse. i personally know teachers who have 11 year old boys citing andrew tate in class. i know middle school teachers who have been sexually harassed by male students. i think people underestimate the level of damage bro podcaster types have done to a lot of boys and young men.
You’re assuming they have authority. In my local system a female teacher was on the end of an assault that lead to her spending a long time in hospital and came back to a classroom with the offender still present. The institution is failing teachers to preserve the rights of youth offenders, something which in all likelihood is going to be to the detriment of those kids in the long run.
it’s all “we need to stop female teachers from preying on 12 year old boys” until a female teacher thinks it’s gross that a 12 year old boy is telling her that she’s hot and he wants to grab her titty. you really can’t imagine why shit like that would be weird and upsetting for someone to hear, especially from a child?
Things are getting rapidly worse where I’m from. Physical assaults on teachers are up five times what they were in 2020. I suspect this is just myopically focusing on a politically charged slice of generally degrading behaviour in the classrooms. I’m far from putting teachers on a pedestal, but what they do is important and we shouldn’t just expect them to bear the brunt of their students antisocial tendencies.
If its the UK experiencing it, I'd assume the increased rates of misogyny has more to do with immigration than any journalist would care to mention. Most people who immigrate over are from third world countries or Islamic countries where the rights of women are further behind that of the UK.
Lmao at the counter to this problem being to simply put more work on the already exhausted and underpaid teacher’s shoulders not only are they teaching but also have to babysit increasingly inattentive and aggressive students that have had their brains hijacked by algorithms since they were 2 but now also have the responsibility of radicalisation prevention sqaud
It’s the same as people who hate Muslims because they oppress women and then turn around and try to implement Christian fundamentalist purity standards on women
It's always funny when people report on toxic masculinity as if it's "when men are being mean women." Instead of, y'know, being what it actually is, which is when men's gender roles are actively harmful to them. This is why no one even takes the words "toxic masculinity" seriously anymore.
How does the misogynistic abuse manifest itself? What does it look like?
It’s obvious that there’s a circle of influencers in the ‘manosphere’ but if kids are watching it and bringing it to school, what are they actually doing/saying?
FoundationAny8406@reddit
Best solution - try telling boys they matter too and giving them support in the things they want - like getting a good job and not being belittled in the media
NetStaIker@reddit
Teaching is a women dominated field and it has been shown discrimination is shown towards make students with male students consistently scoring lower than females when the teacher knows their gender while grading, compared to a blind grading. No wonder dudes tune out early, the first experience you have with the education system is discriminatory and it’s against you. It’s not necessarily explicit bias towards the girls, most people inherently prefer catering to them because they’re more likely to sit there and be cooperative even if they’re bored and tuned out.
Im a dude in the public (elementary) education system and the first year was kinda rough but now all of my students respond to me because I try as much as possible to attend to every bodies needs, rather than just the girls because they’re the easiest to handle.
texnp@reddit
I was once accused of ‘mansplaining’ something to my teacher (by her) when i was like 14
Ozuge@reddit
Well, did you?
KazakiriKaoru@reddit
"Mansplaining" is just as a derogatory term as any other. It belittles mens' opinions when it actually matters. Sure, some dude might be a dumbass idiot that thinks his opinions are correct 100% of the time. But if you generalise all men as the same, it's a you issue.
Ozuge@reddit
Mansplaining means explaining something to a woman as if they wouldn't know it, because they're a woman. Telling a mechanic woman how to change their tires properly, for an example.
EchoBladeMC@reddit
Ah, so that's why feminists think every case of a man correcting/helping a woman is mansplaining. They always assume it comes from a place of prejudice. Assuming the worst of others without evidence is prejudice, too, and it hurts just as much.
Ozuge@reddit
"Actually you're just as bad for assuming that me thinking you're operating on the level of a toddler that needs basic concepts explained to them was malicious."
Sure. If only there were countless amounts of feminist literature exploring the topic, but alas we have to go on without any evidence of this phenomena.
EchoBladeMC@reddit
Care to share any of this literature? I have never in my life seen the term "mansplaining" used to describe genuinely patronizing behavior by men in positions of power. Is there any evidence that it's a gendered phenomenon, or should we start calling out "womansplaining" too?
KazakiriKaoru@reddit
"Uh, nooo, womansplaining is derogatory because women can never do bad! Believe all women! Including the ones with false rape allegations!" /s
Radical-Efilist@reddit
Feminist literature isn't evidence. Empirical studies of objective outcomes are evidence.
Ozuge@reddit
Yeah that's what literature is called.
Scientific literature encompasses a vast body of academic papers that spans various disciplines within the natural and social sciences. It primarily consists of academic papers that present original empirical research and theoretical contributions. These papers serve as essential sources of knowledge and are commonly referred to simply as "the literature" within specific research fields.Radical-Efilist@reddit
Ozuge@reddit
Do I need to embarrass you again by doing the googling for you to understand what that word means?
H3xag0n3@reddit
Wtf does this even mean, a man explaining something ?
bocaj78@reddit
Man explaining something that a woman already knows. Ie. Assuming the woman doesn’t know something
H3xag0n3@reddit
The fact you dont even realize how stupid this is insane. Explaining things to others is part of normal human conversation, im not gonna backtrack every 5 seconds to ask if the person im talking to knows x or y, im just gonna make sure we both know what we're talking about and if you already know then good, if you didnt know you do and no fuss was made about it, and if im wrong you can correct me and we can be on the same understanding.
"Mansplaining" is just a victim complex
Homunkulus@reddit
Mansplaining is their word for when men do something patronising to someone they don’t consider a threat. It’s a real phenomenon but we do the same thing to men we disregard.
Radical-Efilist@reddit
It's also something women do to other women... or occasionally men too.
Haggis442312@reddit
They just don't call them sweetie, that's the only real difference.
Ozuge@reddit
I love how you think your conversations are so deep you'd need to baby someone every 5 seconds if you didn't explain basic concepts the other person would understand as well. A hit dog hollering.
Haggis442312@reddit
The textbook definition is a man explaining something condescendingly to a woman, specifically in a field she is more knowledgeable in than him, the latter being the main qualifier in most definitions.
In 97.68% of real world uses it means a woman is mad at a man for disagreeing with her, and/or unwilling to admit when she's wrong.
In the remaining cases the man is just as condescending to other men, he just doesn't call them sweetie.
MinecraftHolmes@reddit
mansplaining is when a dude is right about something
texnp@reddit
I wouldnt be bringing this up on reddit after years if i didn’t feel wronged at the time and if it was that particular teacher’s only instance of treating male students differently
Ozuge@reddit
You feeling wronged doesn't mean you didn't try to mansplain something to them. I don't believe you or most people here are willing to understand what the term means, based on the "It's when a man is right about anything, bro." replies. A 14 year old can have a weird sense of pride, that gets wounded when rightfully questioned.
CaloricDumbellIntake@reddit
Funniest thing about this, it’s totally normal for any teenager to question authority and often be overconfident in their own knowledge.
This wouldn’t even be close to a gender issue and the teacher making it one is actually the issue here.
Flaccid-Fran@reddit
Awww. Poor baby 🍼. That must've been SO hard. What a mean bully. Are you okay? After something so serious recovery can probably take a long time. And when you were 14? How dare she. Everyone knows that All 14yo boys are immune to prejudice. Literally she deserves to go to jail for traumatizing you with the notion that a 14yo boy might do something wrong. Seek justice, because this is wrong on so many levels.
In all seriousness tho if she accused you of mansplaining than that's probably what you were doing. Considering mansplaining is such a specific and unique word, using it incorrectly would probably make one sound like Micheal Scott.
Time-Ladder4753@reddit
You probably get "accused" of being obnoxious a lot, and unfortunately, all of these accusations are true.
Flaccid-Fran@reddit
Im sorry i have to break this to u but the accusations are true 😿. The accusations that ur lame and corny hahahaha
EchoBladeMC@reddit
Thanks for confirming that accusing someone of mansplaining is prejudice! I'm glad you're honest about it.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
lmao get a grip.
he was 14. it would have been boysplaining and not mansplaining.
KazakiriKaoru@reddit
Have you ever considered that someone that someone just hates you, and is being a bitch?
I've had a female teacher that has always hated me for no reason, other than being jealous of my mother. She hated my mother so she directed her anger towards me.
ImTheZapper@reddit
I don't think I've seen a finer example of "this person is 100% unpleasant and bitter in their daily life" than this shit right here, at least in recent memory.
Obvious_Parsley3238@reddit
That's all well and good but it doesn't explain why things have changed in recent years.
dholgsahbji@reddit
The left does not have an alternative to the masculinity alt right pipeline. They have done very little to engage young men while doing a lot to engage young women. In the absence of any support from the left, young men have shifted to the right.
The world is mostly run by men in leadership positions both in public and private institutions. Therefore to increase women in these positions young women are getting a lot of support and encouragement.
However this ignores the fact that young men are being left behind compared to young women in almost every category. The young people of today are not the same people as those that currently run the world.
Young men see this inequality and react with anger. The manosphere simply taps into that anger.
MightyTurianEmpire@reddit
This is tough to hear, honestly, because you’re not wrong, and it sucks. This isn’t to say there aren’t men trying (not at least what I’ve seen in my circle), but I won’t deny it’s not enough people, and I think it’s because sometimes it feels hopeless. How do you stop hate when it’s easy?
I remember seeing this video about this mother talking about how one day her son just woke up and was spewing far-red pill rhetoric, and she didn’t know where it came from.
Equivalent-Shower425@reddit
What do you mean by how do you stop hate when it's easy?
SacrificialTeddy@reddit
Hatred is a quick and easy instant reaction that one can feel and easily run away with. Understanding (the opposite of hatred imo) takes patience, effort to learn, and the desire to not feel hatred.
I personally hate men, because I am afraid of them, and had the first 3 decades of my life stolen from me by medical misogyny. If I so desired, I could speak with various men to understand them better, or read psychology books or something. But I do not have the desire to remove that hatred right now, it will take high effort for little payoff. Hating you all is so much easier, and the anger fuels me in fixing my health issues.
It's not healthy, it helps nobody, and it's worse for greater society to hold onto hatred. But it sure is fucking easy.
Loathe_the_Hive@reddit
Being a man hater is cringe and a sign of low intelligence.
But just because I said that, doesn't mean I don't sympathize with your lived experiences. You're traumatized and need therapy if you're still feeling this way.
Equivalent-Shower425@reddit
I don't think it's kind to pathologize people's experiences. You may have no idea the things that some women have been thru even if you are a woman. You may be one of the sorts they prefer, so they've treated you differently.
Loathe_the_Hive@reddit
Tell me your justification for hating men. Surely you have a well thought out and logical reason for hating ALL MEN?
Equivalent-Shower425@reddit
Ok I feel that big time. I'm kind of on that part of my journey myself. I'm a woman, and not the type men like. I've been asking myself a lot of questions lately, like is it moral to 'hate' people just because a significant amount of them hate/dislike/disapprove of me? My honest answer is no. I can't hate anyone just because they seem to hate me. I just stay away.
SacrificialTeddy@reddit
It's a huge issue that many many women go through, that most men (and some women) love to dismiss. You're right that it's not moral to hate someone who dislikes you. Luckily, my hatred stems from systemic oppression and direct abuse, which I think warrants some hatred. I avoid interactions, and am polite when they happen, but I 100% cannot stand the idea of them. Motherfuckers always trying to take my rights away and make me feel small because of how I was born, they are just evil on the whole.
Homunkulus@reddit
Hate might be easy but it isn’t without emotional cost, forgiveness is for you not them. You’re right to choose the self preservation path here.
CaloricDumbellIntake@reddit
Yep and the „solutions“ proposed in the article are all not addressing the cause of the problem but are rather further doubling down on it.
Sure this won’t blow up in our faces in a few years.
dadsuki2@reddit
Have you been in a UK school? The girls do NOT sit quietly. Worse than the lads tbh
cool_username__@reddit
Idk how different the UK is from the US but as a certified quiet observant kid I ca tell you the loud obnoxious kids were boys 98% of the time. Not all the boys were obnoxious obviously but almost always it was boys
Empero6@reddit
Discrimination towards male students? I didn’t experience any of that from elementary to high.
KazakiriKaoru@reddit
Just because you didn't experience it in your ONE school, doesn'tean that it does not happen.
Empero6@reddit
I never said that.
KazakiriKaoru@reddit
Literally you
Empero6@reddit
You should learn to read.
NetStaIker@reddit
Tbh I wouldnt say I did either, I was in higher level classes but there’s a lot of research showing that implicit bias is shown towards girls especially when it comes to grading and disciplinary outcomes. Now that I work in the education system tho, I definitely see what those studies are saying, as a kid I didn’t really have the whole picture
Empero6@reddit
What was the bias?
Homunkulus@reddit
My younger brother had an early primary teacher who let all the girls out five minutes early. Then let the boys drip feed out based on how much she liked them. That was nearly thirty years ago at a progressive school where a vitriolic ideologue was allowed to lash out at children for her perception of historic injustice.
If you’re actually unaware of how widespread that dynamic is or how it’s feeding into the problems being described here it’s on you for being out of touch and I dare say ideological enough that you can’t see the antagonism.
Empero6@reddit
I’m not out of touch and it has nothing to do with ideology. I moved to the US and went through elementary to high school in charter schools. I never saw any of this, but this is my experience and I’m not speaking for anyone else.
NetStaIker@reddit
I pointed it out in my first response but in studies where teachers were asked to grade twice, once with the names (and genders) of the students vs one where they were blind, it has been found girls consistently were scored higher even if they made the same mistakes.
Empero6@reddit
Do you have the study on hand?
NetStaIker@reddit
Google is your friend but I edited one into my top level response. Type in gender based discrimination and you’ll get plenty more
gjb94@reddit
What does that have to do with kids being little Andrew Tate infected scumbags?
Big_G_Dog@reddit
Reddit is not far from Manosphere influence. This dude is just cherry picking blame and placing it back on women, specifically female teachers. It's all in the same vein of blaming women for being assaulted because they wear provocative clothing.
How about we talk about male teachers grooming young female students.
appolzmeh@reddit
Why are we comparing their sentences to the female teachers who do the same thing? I would be willing to bet we find some very interesting discrepancies.
Discord84@reddit
Or how if it's a female teacher, articles will call it an "encounter" but if it's a male teacher, they call it what it is.
psinguine@reddit
I doubt this is a serious question, but it's a microcosm of the social reason why it happens in the first place.
You've got these boys being treated a little worse in most facets of their lives. It's not just their teachers, that's just a symptom of a larger problem. They're being bombarded with a script that says they're lesser humans because they're boys. They will become men, and men are bad. They are toxic. They are less important. Everything bad in the world is men's fault. It's coming at them from every angle, and they listen. Not all of them, but enough of them.
And then along comes someone who says hey, it's okay to be a dude. The world left you behind, but we didn't. They offer a sense of belonging. They offer understanding. And unfortunately, a solid portion of the loudest voices telling boys that they don't need to be ashamed of who they are is made up of red-pill ideologists. And so they get drawn into the web in the same way that Germany got drawn into Hitler's web. Charisma, yes, but also because he promised to fix what was deeply broken in a time when people were giving up. It didn't matter that it was lies because those lies felt better than the alternative.
This is a known problem. There are more and more left-wing voices speaking up and saying more needs to be done to address the root cause of young boys and men being alienated from society in the first place. That the messaging needs to change or something because it's just driving an engine that only gets stronger with time. They're shouting from the rooftops saying that when you alienate, dehumanize, and ostracize people on a basis of their immutable identity that they cannot change... Those people tend to find each other. They don't want to be lonely. And it's the angriest voices that get heard.
The response has largely been "not our problem that men suck" which, as you may imagine, kinda serves to underline the core issue that's making things worse.
Particular_Big5308@reddit
Adding to this, boys are told that they have power by their teachers. At that age, they’ve experienced no power.
The majority of teachers are women, & one of their parents is a woman, & they might have a big sister. All they see is women holding power over them, so the idea that they’re oppressing women makes no sense in their mind.
Salticracker@reddit
And it's also not true. Those boys aren't doing anything to oppress women. They have little to no actual power.
People don't like to be told they're in the wrong, but what people hate more than that is being told that they're in the wrong when it's not true.
gjb94@reddit
No absolutely and I have heard that argument plenty. The pendulum is swinging quite hard in the opposite way right now in a way which has become unfair. However I don't believe the type of kids that are falling down these rabbit holes are predominantly doing it in a vacuum at home.
Look at how vitriolic the working class right has become, almost on par with Trump supporters. If they're going home and talking about girls in their class or their teachers a certain way do you think their dads are correcting it?
psinguine@reddit
I mean, I do. One anecdote begats another.
Papa_Whiskey0@reddit
You speak in too broad of generalizations.
The working class as a whole does not act like that seeing as they make up the vast majority of the world. You, in a way, insulted the vast majority of the world.
Same with your previous reply. You seem to overstate the influence of people like Andrew Tate, and by making it a broad statement, you invalidate your own criticism.
Gmandlno@reddit
Female teacher is a dick to male students because they’re male>students see Andrew Tate calling women stupid>a prominent female figure in their life is stupid>students agree with Andrew Tate
gjb94@reddit
If it gets to the stage where their decision making is that petulant and reactionary by secondary school the parents have already failed
Gmandlno@reddit
Well, it’s a good thing that the “redpill ideology” definitely doesn’t focus on, say, emphasizing that anyone trying to tell you you’re wrong is a victim of systemic indoctrination or anything.
CyberneticSaturn@reddit
They’re children!!! Of course their decisions are petulant and reactionary!
Sounds like you have some unaddressed biases of your own if you’re thinking of all male students as adults while they’re in school.
Gameonall@reddit
They are children? I’m sure you’ve been making totally logical decisions since birth, but keep expecting angsty teens to make well thought out choices.
NetStaIker@reddit
You’re not totally wrong, I’ve seen many students who don’t act like their the first teacher. However many students don’t receive affirmation from their immediate family will look for it first from extended family and then at school. Teachers need to be more empathetic to the issues students deal with at home in general because they’re often the last line of defense against serious socialisation issues
StandardN02b@reddit
Only a redditor could see "misoginy in clasrooms" and think of andrew tate instead of the obvious problem.
Rednedredemption@reddit
I'm glad you are accommodating all of your students needs and would argue that is the mindset of any good teacher. That doesn't explain the rise in misogyny however.
Weekly-Researcher145@reddit
Do you think female teachers is the primary cause of an increase in misogyny among school aged boys?
kokdeblade@reddit
We need more masculine male teachers that aren't just PE teachers. Especially in primary school.
maninahat@reddit
We need more male primary school teachers in general. The education system already bends over backwards to try and recruit more, but likely due to cultural biases men are disinclined to go for such roles.
ILove10aflyViper@reddit
There is no incentive for that currently.
SeingaltUNo@reddit
Bring back single-sex schooling, including teachers. Boys have different learning styles than girls and benefit from male teachers.
Diantr3@reddit
That's fucking bullshit. We're all humans and we need to learn how to interact with other humans. I'm a dude and I've had absolutely wonderful teachers and massive fucking cunts, irrespective of sex.
The difference is I grew up un the 2000s when the prevailing discourse was that we all need to get along and progress and eventually we'll all be able to live together.
Whereas kids today are funneled into right wing echo chambers by psychopaths preying on their insecurities, financed by billionaires who want to destroy the fabric of society and break us appart.
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
Wingcuck shite. Both left are right spread hate of each other, one's just considered more accepted because men are societal punching bags.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
we're privileged homie.
Do you feel like a punching bag because some girl on twitter with colorful hair said all men should die ?
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
I don't feel like anything, but what I see is a general acceptance even agreement of statements like rhat, or more often softer rhan that, whereas equivalent statements against women are met with vitriol.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
yeah duh because crazy girls on twitter have a lot less power in society than men.
it's not us who some countries are trying to take our rights from to fix the self inflicted birth decline
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
I don't understand your first statement at all.
What countries and what rights?
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
My first statement was supposed to express why statements against women are met with more vitriol. Misogyny is more powerful politically.
there are political movements in many developed countries that aim to take away access to stuff like birth control and abortion because they think that's "gonna teach the hoes a lesson" and somehow fix the demographic decline
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
What do you mean by "more powerful politically"? Because it seems to me that it's more cared about in comparison to misandry because misandry is conaidered acceptable or even positive. Thus why I say men are societal punching bags.
I don't know that any party advertises their policy as anti-hoe. I'm not too familiar with the situations around birth control, but I do know that birth control was grandfathered in, if it was made today it wouldn't make it to market, so conserns about birth control in that vein are understandable.
Abortion is not a black and white pro-woman anti-woman aregument. It's pro-choice vs pro-life. It's a very complicated issue. Most of europe has a very reasonable 1st trimester no questions abortion, and anything after that requires medical necessity. Much of north america goes much further than that, allowing 2nd or even 3rd trimester abortion. A few states have banned it as well from what I understand, but they are very much in the minoriry.
At worst these policies aim not at women, but at promiscuity in general, women are just the ones most saddled with the consiquences-- if men bore the children the men would be saddled with them instead.
SacrificialTeddy@reddit
The right want to enslave women and minorities. I think it's pretty fucking normal to hate someone who wants to take away your rights and force you into a life of servitude. If this shit was just about the economy, sure, we can ignore the hate-flinging. Men aren't societal punching bags, you idiots are yelling from the rooftops about how much you want to own (abuse) a woman, and then crying that none will date you. Gtfo here with that "woe is me, boohoo I'm a man" bullshit.
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
Evil, evil strawmans.
Diantr3@reddit
Go read a book
EchoBladeMC@reddit
No, kids today are funneled into right wing echo chambers by left wing psychopaths nurturing their insecurities. Preaching to young men that they are evil and the cause of every issue in society tends to do that.
Diantr3@reddit
[Citation Needed]
EchoBladeMC@reddit
[Citation Needed}
Two can play at that game.
Diantr3@reddit
Andrew Tate Nick Fuentes Clavicular Charlie Kirk (until he was murdered by an even more right wing chud) Etc etc
SeingaltUNo@reddit
You really didn’t need to say you grew up in the 2000s. That’s quite clear.
Diantr3@reddit
Is there anything wrong with this view?
SeingaltUNo@reddit
Yes.
Low_Friendship_9487@reddit
men not interacting with women at all until they're expected to start seeking a trophy wife is exactly the issue bte
Kiwi_Doodle@reddit
Specify.
Hovris1912@reddit
“People should all hate each other because… because they just should okay!
Diantr3@reddit
Fucking chud deleted his comment lmao
Honest-Birthday1306@reddit
Nope, even gayer, he blocked you!
Diantr3@reddit
Pathetic.
Garrais02@reddit
This- uh- what
Soleil06@reddit
Have fun finding enough male teachers lol
MrCockingFinally@reddit
If you have trouble attracting men to a profession that allows for an entire summer of leave every summer that is a skill issue.
I mean, in general, schools around the world pay teachers like shit, give them a ton of extra bullshit busywork to do, blame them for students refusing to learn, and disallow and sort of effective discipline. Then the turn around and act all shocked Pikachu when the struggle to find teachers.
roankr@reddit
Teachers work during summer.
MrCockingFinally@reddit
EXACTLY! WHY????
You have a built in 3 month break, why do schools decide "No! No fun allowed!" Instead of using it as a giant perk?
Like I get needing a couple weeks at the beginning to mark exams, then like a week before the kids arrive to prep.
But teachers should get a solid 4-6 week vacation annually. Guaranteed to reduce burnout and attract more people to the profession.
roankr@reddit
Teachers use the 3 months to grade fall semester papers, work with any students who may need remedial classes, and set up a teaching plan for next year.
Man are you a fool?
MrCockingFinally@reddit
My dad was a lecturer. He took maybe 2 weeks to grade all his papers.
When I was in school, exam results would normally come out about a week or 2 after exams finished. Ergo it was the same in school.
Prep for the new year can't take more than a week. I know this because the teachers at my school would only be back less than a week before students.
Teachers should get paid extra for taking on such extra work.
Maybe. But you definitely are so stuck on "but this is how we've always done it!" To actually think about solutions. Fact is that teachers are leaving the profession, there is a massive shortage, there is a problem with burnout. A full month leave may help with that no? So surely there is some way to get useless admin out the way and let teachers focus on actually teaching.
roankr@reddit
Buddy you are paying them to do this already. This isn't extra work.
This is literally how a job works.
MrCockingFinally@reddit
Yeah, and it also works out that if not enough people want to do this job, it leads to some major fucking issues. So unless you're proposing just massively increasing taxes to increase teacher pay significantly, you need to find other ways to make the job more appealing.
In every civilized country, you are guaranteed paid leave for about a month. Normally you can take this whenever you want. Can't really do that as a teacher, so only fair to get more leave overall.
You're paying them to teach kids. They did that in the regular semester. If they have to teach a kid extra, that's extra work dummy.
roankr@reddit
Yeah, that's literally it.
And this is completely wrong. Their work is to teach kids. If they need to teach a kid again it means they are teaching a kid. Their job is to teach, so teaching a kid in the remedial classes is pre-existing part of their job.
Homunkulus@reddit
So you’re saying in improvement in working conditions and the inability to get good hires remains. Brilliant.
Jobs aren’t a monolith and where I’m from teachers aren’t working solidly over the school holidays.
Hangzhounike@reddit
We could just pay them more
Haggis442312@reddit
Best I can do is clapping politicians and budget cuts.
Soleil06@reddit
That still wont change that the overwhelming majority of social jobs is so female dominated that a simple pay raise isnt going to change much.
Diaregarding that, acting like having male teachers is going to change these young incels minds is also simply wrong.
AlabamaHotcakes@reddit
Just make it so catholic priests can teach.
Hell, they'd probably do it for free!
StobbstheTiger@reddit
It would unironically be a good idea. Compared to Catholic priests, school teachers are twice as likely to abuse children.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35499558/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6676731/
Kronomancer1192@reddit
Out of curiosity, did you take into account the fact that teachers outnumber priests in US by about 100 to 1?
StandardN02b@reddit
Amazing. Not even understanding how percentages work just to not have their own biases challenged.
StobbstheTiger@reddit
Ironically, the biggest issue with the Catholic abuse scandal was the cover-up and denial that it was occurring.
StandardN02b@reddit
Sure, I am not gonna argue with that. But I belive the reaction is intentionaly disproportionate because almost all institutions cover up their minor abuse cases and yet the church is by far the most attacked one.
StobbstheTiger@reddit
Yeah, definitely. I was highlighting the irony of the dude downplaying sexual abuse in the groups he likes when it goes against his worldview.
I'm Catholic myself. Obviously the Church has its problems, but it's still a net force for good in the world.
UristMcMagma@reddit
His teacher spent too much time diddling him to teach him that.
Kronomancer1192@reddit
Your right, there's definitely no skewed comparison between a dataset representing over 70 years of reports and one single study applied to a few thousand people in 4 states over 1 year.
Let's not forget that out of the 11.7% of abuse that supposedly equates to double the amount thats in the Catholic church, 11% of that is categorized as "sexual comments". While all 4.4% of the churches is categorized as 'sexual abuse".
Do you people even fucking read the articles you try to use to make your points? Or, I don't know, check the validity of the process behind it? Or do you all just see 2 numbers and say "oh, look, ones bigger than the other, and its on the internet so it must be true"
StobbstheTiger@reddit
Why is that relevant? The figures given are percentages.
Kronomancer1192@reddit
Unfortunately statistics aren't quite that simple.
You cant just compare two random studies that didnt collaborate or compare parameters at all.
Seriously, one was published by an open access medical journal based out of Germany and the other was written by a clinical psychologist from Pennsylvania.
If you dont think these things are relevant you probably shouldn't be making up statistics based two unrelated studies.
Nantafiria@reddit
And compared to the average priest, a school teacher is around way more children to begin with.
StobbstheTiger@reddit
Then doesn't it make sense intuitively that child abusers are more likely to self select into teaching? Why spend 8 years at the seminary getting a masters when you can spend 4 years at college?
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit (OP)
By 'single sex schooling' he meant gender.
AlabamaHotcakes@reddit
I know.
Spretzur@reddit
Maybe it's time to completely redo our education system before we get so far behind China that we can't come back. New system, high pay, and respect.
QFB-procrastinator@reddit
Single-sex schooling is how you get more incels. Kids need to learn how to interact with people of different genders, you’re just delaying the problem.
LonelyPermit2306@reddit
Incels haven't been a real problem until the modern day, so obviously you're not right on that
GregerMoek@reddit
Mixed gender schools have been a thing for ages as well. Cant claim that is the single factor or even a factor.
Extra_Passion_5754@reddit
Boys need to spend at least an hour in the morning, being run out of energy, like a dog, before they're calm enough to be able to learn.
Bring back 1950s PE.
Raymondator@reddit
Yeah cause it definitely helps kids learn when they’re absolutely exhausted. I know that I did all my best learning when I was falling asleep at my desk.
Like, PE is obviously important and its good for kids to learn how and to be active, but the first half of your suggestion is already done and the second half is so vague and subjective that implementing something like that would be a nightmare
poopcockshit@reddit
Boy Scouts of America had something like that. Didn’t go down well.
AlexanderTox@reddit
Braindead take lmao
Designated_Lurker_32@reddit
It's always funny when people report on toxic masculinity as if it's "when men are being mean women." Instead of, y'know, being what it actually is, which is when men's gender roles are actively harmful to them. This is why no one even takes the words "toxic masculinity" seriously anymore.
Like, imagine if we took a fraction of the attention we give to men being mean to other people and instead gave that attention to the fact that - for some mysterious reason - men are 4 times more likely to kill themselves than women? Or how about the fact that men are 8 times more likely to be murdered and 27 times more likely to be victims of police brutality?
cat_pavel@reddit
Bs. Toxic masculinity definitely exists. You people just can't comprehend that morons like Andrew Tate are the ones who build a system where men are miserable and should constantly be in competition, not women who trying to teach you geography in case of this post.
Radical-Efilist@reddit
No. Feminism built a system where men are miserable and constantly in competition. Andrew Tate isn't a visionary, he's a grifter who makes bank on exploiting people that were already miserable.
Designated_Lurker_32@reddit
Feminism didn't build a system where men are miserable. The powers that be - A.K.A. "the patriarchy" - did that a long time ago.
Feminism was, however, complicit in maintaining this system through inaction.
cat_pavel@reddit
Delusional
stiickyphalanges@reddit
and who set that system up?
EchoBladeMC@reddit
The rich.
Chakosa@reddit
Nobody, because that's not how reality works. Top-down causality is not a thing, there are no puppet masters controlling the world and "setting up systems" for fuck sakes.
Designated_Lurker_32@reddit
I dunno. I sure didn't. The system was already set up the day I was born.
But seriously, though. "Men are responsible for their own oppression" is not the gotcha you think it is. Do you have any idea how much of misogyny is coming from other women?
DisappearingAnus@reddit
But men are responsible for their own oppression. That's not a lie, but it's also not a personal attack against you
roankr@reddit
Everyone
Benevolend_Madness@reddit
The top 0.1 percent of man.
What is your point?
Little_Weird2039@reddit
Jarvis, pull up recent demographic statistics of UK youth
Loathe_the_Hive@reddit
Saar pls do not look into these statistics. It is the white natives asking their teachers for Bob and vagene.
MinecraftHolmes@reddit
13% of students are doing 50% of the misogyny
KeekuBrigabroo@reddit
Can't discipline them, only recourse is to cry to journalists
Wk1360@reddit
Tbh if you try to reprimand a Brit older than 3 you’re likely to get stabbed. Journalists probably stab people less often
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit (OP)
Umak30@reddit
It has nothing to do with that, but all to do with culture and demographics.
The 40% of students in English and Welsh schools come from an ethnic minority background. That is a huge, significant amount of people, very noticeable... Furthermore : White people are a minority in 25% of all schools. 72 schools in Britain have no white children whatsoever. 454 schools had fewer than 2% white students. 22% of school children have a first language other than english.
https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/school-pupils-and-their-characteristics/2024-25
Many minorities simply have different values and a different outlook on women. Many minorities do not teach their children to respect others, but instead this is supposed to be taught by (male) teachers, but western schools do not do that, where instead the respect is supposed to be taught by parents and teachers focus on knowledge. So this ensures that non-western children have a worse education and mistreat their (female ) teachers. In western countries the majority of teachers are female too, so another hurdle ( and no I am not making this up : https://www.seekteachers.com/blog/bridging-the-educational-gap-teaching-in-the-middle-east-and-navigating-cultural-differences/ For any aspiring teacher who wants to teach in the Middle East, the teacher has to adapt to their culture of discipline, respect and authority, so the teacher needs to step up.
Western, majority-female teachers and our education system is simply not like that. We are completely unprepared for this. And instead of talking about the actual problems and reasons, we pretend like it's white people getting radicalized by Andrew Tate, Social Media or something. When this is simply the consequence of demographic changes and the cultural differences, not just between western and non-western cultures, but the lack of preparedness of western institutions for these cultural differences. We simply do not have a lot of male teachers or the same outlook that teachers are supposed to instill respect and authority.
( And the parents will also not really respect teachers who fail to enforce discipline and respect )
[ Funfact, the majority of Red Pill and Manosphere content creators are non-white, and their audience is primarily non-white too. It's literally content by Ethnic minorities in the West for ethnic Minorities in the West. ]
So yeah, the problems will become more apparent in the future. Multiculturalism only works if you enforce it with strict rules like Singapore. It works when you have a dominant culture which enforces rules, like what Colonial Empires did in the past... It doesn't work what we do today.
Pretend-Emphasis-643@reddit
‘We need white culture to step up and become dominant so we can preserve purity in the classrooms because disrespect for women is simply built into the biology of ethnic minorities’ holy shit I have never seen such a chud in my life
Radical-Efilist@reddit
This comment gives me migrant crisis flashbacks. There are many reasons to think the claims are bullshit, and you successfully hit none of them.
maninahat@reddit
How to lie with statistics 101: Step 1: round up bad numbers. 38% school kids are minorities, not 40%. Step 2: do not clarify terms like "minority ethnicity", hoping the reader pictures scary foreign brown people and not, you know, white Europeans who make up the large portion of those minorities. Step 3: de-emphasise the figures that paint the wrong picture; note how this post says white British are a minority in 25% schools rather than the majority in 75%. Note "72 schools have no white students", but doesn't mention that this is out of nearly 26,000 schools in England and Wales.
The rest is just bullshit with weird claims, such as how it's supposedly bad that Asians, "show reverence to teachers in the classroom". It also seems to drop the use of statistics when making it's claims; for instance, it's inconvenient that the majority of teachers in Pakistan are women, Pakistan being the largest Muslim minority in the UK, so it doesn't get mentioned. That might undermine the claim that the foreigners require men in the classrooms to teach their kids respect.
Sure_Locksmith_2027@reddit
Based, too many people don't remember the great quote "Lies, damn lies and statistics"
homo-kommando@reddit
Noooooooo stoooop I wanna be mad at the scary brown people
Deadsouls88@reddit
Wtf. 40%. Will there be civil war when white is in minority?
maninahat@reddit
40% "white British", ie not including white people from anywhere else, such a Germany or Ireland. Also not including non-white British who may be 5th or 10th generation immigrants.
Umak30@reddit
u/habba88 I saw you wrote quite an insulting reply, and then deleted it. You claimed that the first link doesn't prove what I claim... Though considering you deleted it, you must have read the link then, now right ? I don't care about the insult, I am more curious if that changed your mind though ? Since seemingly believe or did believe that it's not as bad as the stats show ? Just for reference, here is the link again.
https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/school-pupils-and-their-characteristics/2024-25
UsernameoemanresU@reddit
No fucking way
gman8686@reddit
Do you not know how to Google?
Umak30@reddit
Thats why I used the government link. It is shocking, and every year it increases https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/school-pupils-and-their-characteristics/2024-25 Scroll down to the Ethnicity part.
Copy Paste :
Across all school types, 38.0% of pupils are from minority ethnic backgrounds, which is an increase of one percentage point since 2024, continuing the increasing trend. This varies by school type:
These figures do not include those where ethnicity is unclassified.
Umak30@reddit
Thats why I sent the government link. And that's why its important to highlight this. The people who claim it's social media simply do not know anything. It's literally just demographic changes.
https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/school-pupils-and-their-characteristics/2024-25
Now granted it says 38%, I rounded up a bit.
Copy paste :
Ethnicity
38.0% of pupils are from a minority ethnic background
Across all school types, 38.0% of pupils are from minority ethnic backgrounds, which is an increase of one percentage point since 2024, continuing the increasing trend. This varies by school type:
These figures do not include those where ethnicity is unclassified.
forgettfulthinker@reddit
Ok
kpingvin@reddit
People on 4chan aren't the brightest sheds in the tool.
EffectiveMirror7534@reddit
In this case, they're right, lower screen time correlates with higher levels of misogyny
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit (OP)
I ate the sharpest tool in my shed 😋
Amathril@reddit
Was the sharpest tool in your shed a donut?
Hot-Explanation-5751@reddit
Tool or cake
Significant_News2425@reddit
Based
Historical-Tea-7445@reddit
Didn't read. Assume gay.
Kiwi_Doodle@reddit
Boys are mean to women because they only listen to men they think are stronger than them.
DefinitelyNotDonny@reddit
UK boys just wanna be topped
Nessy3fidy@reddit
Don't sexualize children it's disgusting.
Ok_Statement_7836@reddit
Oi oi oi oi, yo got that topping loicence?
Wk1360@reddit
See you might think that there’s some moral failing present, or a lesson to be learned from this, but actually it’s about British schoolchildren, one of the few groups of humanity that should have no rights.
Kiwi_Doodle@reddit
Haha funnt and all that. But there is a lot to learn from this about positive masculinity and good male role models. More male teachers, more male role models outside of these boys' fathers would have such a meaningful impact on their development and by proxy society as a whole.
BottomContributor@reddit
It's almost like forced feminization has negative results. Come on, boys. Pump those numbers to 100%
Raymondator@reddit
Tf does forced feminization mean?
Malvastor@reddit
It's his kink bro, don't shame him.
BottomContributor@reddit
If you don't see it, you've been feminized
Raymondator@reddit
Literally just give an example or two
DarkScorpion48@reddit
I would like to know what exactly the abuse entailed instead of just vague mentions
Malvastor@reddit
Biggest hole in the article there. I'm not inclined to discard the article in general, because I increasingly do hear guys saying pretty vile things about women, but without specific examples it's impossible to get an idea of how serious the problem is. Which just makes it look like they knew their examples would look silly.
Phlebas99@reddit
"My God says I don't have to listen to you Miss"
TarantinosFavWord@reddit
What if we stop letting women be teachers and we allow for teachers to use corporal punishment. But we also make the teachers wear body cameras and if there’s any funny business with the kiddies, the punishment is death by wood chipper.
_KanjiKlub@reddit
based
Raymondator@reddit
Thats the dumbest fucking suggestion Ive heard in the comment section so far
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Fluffy_History@reddit
Boy I wonder what religion most of the boys are? Could it be the one that teaches that women are at best second class and you shouldnt listen to anything they say?
No-Garden-2273@reddit
I mean obviously misogyny is bad and whatever but this isn’t new, teachers have always got shit from some kids, and it’s unpleasant but you need to get yourself together
usingshare@reddit
nah it is getting worse. i personally know teachers who have 11 year old boys citing andrew tate in class. i know middle school teachers who have been sexually harassed by male students. i think people underestimate the level of damage bro podcaster types have done to a lot of boys and young men.
MinecraftHolmes@reddit
lol at being sexually harassed by a child, especially by a child you have authority over. pull yourself together jeez
Homunkulus@reddit
You’re assuming they have authority. In my local system a female teacher was on the end of an assault that lead to her spending a long time in hospital and came back to a classroom with the offender still present. The institution is failing teachers to preserve the rights of youth offenders, something which in all likelihood is going to be to the detriment of those kids in the long run.
usingshare@reddit
it’s all “we need to stop female teachers from preying on 12 year old boys” until a female teacher thinks it’s gross that a 12 year old boy is telling her that she’s hot and he wants to grab her titty. you really can’t imagine why shit like that would be weird and upsetting for someone to hear, especially from a child?
Homunkulus@reddit
Things are getting rapidly worse where I’m from. Physical assaults on teachers are up five times what they were in 2020. I suspect this is just myopically focusing on a politically charged slice of generally degrading behaviour in the classrooms. I’m far from putting teachers on a pedestal, but what they do is important and we shouldn’t just expect them to bear the brunt of their students antisocial tendencies.
avagrantthought@reddit
A teacher here in Greece had a stroke and was sent to the hospital because of all the bullying she got from the kids
Laziness2945@reddit
I'm sure that banning social medias for under 16 will solve the problem and not further inflate it.
Frozen_Watch@reddit
If its the UK experiencing it, I'd assume the increased rates of misogyny has more to do with immigration than any journalist would care to mention. Most people who immigrate over are from third world countries or Islamic countries where the rights of women are further behind that of the UK.
Wk1360@reddit
The real demographic problem in the UK is that it’s full of the British.
Petertitan99999@reddit
Yeah british boys with british names like Muhammed, Ali and worst of all >!Brent!<.
Frozen_Watch@reddit
Should've added a trigger warning before writing bri*ish
MordakThePrideful@reddit
Well maybe if they stopped mass importing rapists the gender divide would be less severe
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
1) It's bad because teacher are becoming overly sensitive
2) It's bad because students are 3rd worlders that have come or been born in the UK within a 3rd world culture bubble and are genuinely misogynistic
3) It's good because boys are standing up for themselves
4) 1 + 3
Routine-Professor586@reddit
Just gonna leave this here.
poopcockshit@reddit
“UK”
ocajsuirotsap@reddit
What about submitting young boys to more humiliation rituals? That will sove the issue
Ok-Lynx3444@reddit
Lmao at the counter to this problem being to simply put more work on the already exhausted and underpaid teacher’s shoulders not only are they teaching but also have to babysit increasingly inattentive and aggressive students that have had their brains hijacked by algorithms since they were 2 but now also have the responsibility of radicalisation prevention sqaud
ILove10aflyViper@reddit
And don’t forget that any student success will not be attributed to the teacher, but student failures will! Who wouldn’t want to be a part of that?
AgentSkidMarks@reddit
There's a fundamental issue here in that the teachers' union is associating misogyny with masculinity.
StandardN02b@reddit
What is the skin colour of these upstanding citizens?
Honest-Birthday1306@reddit
Funny how a lot of the same people who preach against trans rights "to protect woment" turn around and say based to women actively being abused, huh
Low_Friendship_9487@reddit
idk how this got down voted lmao
Hovris1912@reddit
It’s the same as people who hate Muslims because they oppress women and then turn around and try to implement Christian fundamentalist purity standards on women
Designated_Lurker_32@reddit
It's always funny when people report on toxic masculinity as if it's "when men are being mean women." Instead of, y'know, being what it actually is, which is when men's gender roles are actively harmful to them. This is why no one even takes the words "toxic masculinity" seriously anymore.
MrMosstin@reddit
How does the misogynistic abuse manifest itself? What does it look like?
It’s obvious that there’s a circle of influencers in the ‘manosphere’ but if kids are watching it and bringing it to school, what are they actually doing/saying?
Icy_Cupcake_8076@reddit
Racist cunts
Okamitoutcourt@reddit
Since when is being a misogynist masculine? You're not less of a man by not being an asshole
BeginningTypical3395@reddit
Women feel unsafe around incel beta cucks. More at 6.
WarlordHelmsman@reddit
It would be you posting this