Should I go for a AMD Ryzen 7 9700X, 7 9850X3D, 9 9900X3D or 9 9950X3D for a gaming PC?
Posted by Traditional_Slip5953@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 65 comments
I am planning on buying a gaming computer and they have an option to choose different kinds of CPU's. Which one should I choose? I don't care about cost, I just care about what will give the best performance while gaming.
AMD Ryzen 7 9700X
AMD Ryzen 7 9850X3D
AMD Ryzen 9 9900X3D
AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D
pumpymcpumpface@reddit
If its only for gaming then 9850x3d. Unless you need the extra cores for something theres no point to a 9900 series.
no6969el@reddit
Have you ever considered perhaps maybe the other cores would be used for all the other things going on your computer while the game is focused purely on the 9950x3ds x3d cache
If you sim race, flight Sim, VR etc you can offload all other tasks and keep the game on the x3d side....then what do you think would run the game better?. A 9800x3d with everything on the x3d or a 9950x3d with only the game running on the x3d side?
TheAlchemist519@reddit
It’s okay, let them have slow systems
Plenty-Industries@reddit
What does any of that have to do with OP stating their build was for gaming?
Nothing they said gave any indication that a 16core/32thread CPU was going to actually benefit them.
Look at gaming benchmarks... the 9800X3D, 9850X3D and 9950X3D all perform so similarly in gaming (less than 5%), that unless OP was actually using their PC for more than just gaming and using their PC to making a living with then MAYBE a 9950X3D would be a benefit. Its a $150+ more expensive for something OP wouldn't actually be able to ever fully utilize.
no6969el@reddit
Oh yeah, so since he could potentially be spending more money let's not even mention it. And let's also tell him that it's just for production and not for gaming.
Look man. I'm going to be realistic. I'm hoping you can be too, I understand that it's not for everybody but the fact that every single time it suggested it gets knocked down as if it's either wasteful or not. Useful is where my problem comes in.
Education is everything if you know that, maybe it's something you planned on doing in the future, but just not right now. Maybe you would decide to get it. I wish everyone would stop rushing to the bottom. Yes, I have a 9800x3d and a 5080 as my secondary system.
My main system is a 9950x3d and a 5090.
I'm in a very good position to talk because I have both and I've set up both for the same thing same racing. I've even swapped GPUs to see where the issues came from, if any, and where I can directly improve performance between both.
Plenty-Industries@reddit
Realistic is telling OP that the best CPU for their gaming PC is either the 9800X3D or 9850X3D because spending more money for a 9950X or 9950X3D just because it has more cores... is actually meaningless given the cost increase in those CPUs do not justify their not significant improvement in gaming performance over their 8core counterparts.
OP asked a pretty simple question about a CPU for a gaming rig. Thats it. The answer was pretty simple, yet you chose to do some weird self-insert or projection just because YOU own such a CPU yourself.... you're biased.
no6969el@reddit
See you haven't been paying attention this whole time. I never said that it would be faster in games. This is the f** problem that I'm battling here. If you use your PC for gaming and for sim-racing that uses VR it has a lot of programs that run in the background from haptics to VR tracking to a fan simulator to motion programs forced feedback wheelbase everything has its own app if it's from a different company.
With a 9950x3d I can have the whole entire computer be running off of the secondary CCD.
All, while my x3d part is by itself, only focusing on the game.
This is useful for people that need it for people that don't need it. They obviously don't need it right?
Plenty-Industries@reddit
You're making up a situation out of your ass, to justify your own bias.
You didnt even bother ASKING OP for such specific gaming situations and are just ASSUMING their gaming situation is exactly the same as yours. Thats where you went wrong.
Yea sure, a $550+ CPU will do pretty good in gaming. But its not THAT much better in gaming overall, to justify spending more money than the commonly known 9800/9850 that deliver 95% of the performance for less money spent.
no6969el@reddit
Oh yeah I'm just literally explaining my situation but I'm making it up out of my ass. That just shows me how oblivious you are to what's out there and what people could be running on their system.
I know what I have is unique and cool, but I didn't think that gamers would be in denial about it.
Plenty-Industries@reddit
THIS is the "fucking" problem with people like you - making an assumption out of thin air, applying your personal situation and thinking its 1:1 with someone else asking for basic advice for their PC build. Knock it the fuck off.
I'm done with you. You can speak into the void if you wish - inbox replies are turned off so I wont have to suffer seeing any more dumbass responses from you.
Naojirou@reddit
There is a cost to having those other cores. People suggesting 9800x3D aren’t approaching it as a cost cutting method. It just is better if you don’t need the other cores and the need here is defined by actually using multicore heavy stuff, such as rendering or big code compilation.
no6969el@reddit
Correct and people are not accounting for the fact that there's also a cost for having everything on your x3d.
There's also people who have SIM rigs and all those extra running softwares do great on the secondary CCD. I have both and 9800 x 3D and a 9950x3d. I've tested both and when you load up the 9800x3d with background processes that have to do with the game such as tracking for VR or Sim rig, peripherals and haptics, you'll get better performance out of a 9950x3d. While the 9800x3d is left, having to calculate all that at the same time on the same ccd.
Now I'm not saying that the 9950x3d is the perfect chip for every gaming situation. But how it's so consistently written off only for productivity is what frustrates me. I just wish people were more educated on that instead of always being pushed towards the 9800x3d instantly. I'm sure you can see my point even a little bit.
Naojirou@reddit
I do, but I’ll have to mark it a very niche one as even non x3D variants favor greatly towards x800 over x950. Namely, my 5950x is a very sad gaming CPU in comparison to 5800x vanilla.
no6969el@reddit
I can agree to that, but I already got a DM from this already with somebody in my similar situation interested in the 9950x3d, so I still think it's important to always mention it.
I would never recommend the everyday gamer to choose a 9950x3d over a 9800x3d mainly due to the extra steps.
Traditional_Slip5953@reddit (OP)
Thank you!
asshhhish@reddit
Skip all of it and get a 270K plus. Better value and almost equivalent to 9800x3D in gaming and equivalent to 9950x in Productivity.
Upbeat-Recording-141@reddit
Rofl what
asshhhish@reddit
Digest it because it's the fact. AMD is overpriced and hell it's only for gaming
Upbeat-Recording-141@reddit
Dunno what benchmarks you've looked at champ but the 270k was losing to the 9700x, the 9800x3d is ahead on every benchmark, all whilst being a lower tdp and 20months old.. not to mention they said they were looking for a gaming rig.. digest that.
asshhhish@reddit
Let me correct you. 9800x3D is faster and higher in fps but in 1080P if you change the resolution then at 2K performance is neck to neck and looking at the price range intel just has better value and on the top of it is also miles ahead in Productivity. Secondly idk which benchmarks you were referring to but 9700x is a not match against 270K plus. So OP asked for a gaming rig and 270KP with iBOT is killer and game loading time is almost negligible. So this confirms that you're either AMD fanboi or have much more conginitive bias towards AMD. AMD is no doubt are the gaming king but despite being 20 months old, it is expensive now.
Upbeat-Recording-141@reddit
I just looked at 4k / 5090, some games the 9800x3d are 30% ahead?
asshhhish@reddit
Oh man you need to come out of a caged mindset. Not everything you see on YouTube side by side comparisons are relevant or real. I have total of 4 rigs in my studio. I know the difference. I have 5 siblings, everyone felt the same way around. We tried we tested and we know it's very neck and neck. Btw we test every cpu without graphics card and that way you should understand that x3D can give you more frames but at minimum settings only, once iGPU kicks in AMD lead gets saturated, and thermal management is quite good too. If you know the history of intel, this particular piece is more than impressive
kr0wnyy@reddit
So you compared the iGPU of the chips and conclude that they are neck to neck without using the iGPU? What a smart test you did I'm impressed!
asshhhish@reddit
read it again. iGPU is just one part. If you know how to test CPUs fairly unlike youtubers
kr0wnyy@reddit
Yeah let me throw all the other benchmarks where the 270k can barely hold up to a 7800x3d in gaming over board because some guy on reddit said it's neck on neck with iGPUs and his source is "trust me bro". Go die on that hill that you get the same performance as a 9800x3d on 1440p with a 270k but don't bait ppl into making the same bad choice, thanks!
asshhhish@reddit
btw you took it very otherwise that my source is iGPU. that was said in some othe context and if you raise the heat here, you only won't be satisfied. You never tested a single CPU in your life so rely heavily on benchmarks with added graphics card on that. Wow you should be a son if Lisa Su and Jensen Huang would have kid together.
asshhhish@reddit
Come on. Throw it AMD fan boi. Lets see if your claim is on top spot. throw it here
BilboShaggins429@reddit
No. It loses to the 9800x3d but beats the 9950x in most productivity tasks
asshhhish@reddit
When gaming in 2K both performs similar because maximum load is on GPU and in 1080P x3Ds are ahead but who gonna play in 1080P after investing so much in rig ?
EBTheGreat@reddit
I honestly don’t think X3D users realise this. Despite it being available to see all over YouTube.
EBTheGreat@reddit
Preordered my 270K. Can’t wait for it to arrive!
asshhhish@reddit
I have it. It's killer although iBOT needs some updates but it's awesome. Very awesome
EBTheGreat@reddit
Awesome! Mines been delayed until the 9th of April unfortunately. iBOT will get updated in no time. They’ve been pretty proactive with their updates. I feel I get updates for my Intel wifi, Bluetooth, IME and Arc drivers often. Way more than I get from AMD and Nvidia on my other PCs.
borgie_83@reddit
This is the answer. Better than the 9700X, performs similarly to higher end AMD CPUs in a lot of real world scenarios and smashes them in many productivity workloads. Great for both gaming and productivity for years to come. Yes, the 9800X3D is faster in gaming at 1080p, but with a CPU like that, who’s realistically gaming at 1080p? Most people are at 1440p or higher, and at those resolutions, the performance gap shrinks to the point where it’s barely noticeable. Plus, it’s half the price of the 9800X3D.
NewestAccount2023@reddit
9850x3d or 9950x3d, latter could have thread scheduling issues in a few isolated games whereas 9850x3d has no issues in any games and is just as fast for gaming
no6969el@reddit
You would not have scheduling issues if you just told the game to run on the x3d side with one click.....
Plenty-Industries@reddit
core scheduling issue is.... a non-issue at this point after AMD updated their chipset drivers several times to address this issue, and Microsoft actively improving game detection in Windows via Game Mode/Game Bar so that the core scheduler can work properly.
NewestAccount2023@reddit
Yea well windows sucks and the current solution isn't even flawless. Game bar detects a game (which it can get wrong and not recognize some games) which tells windows to park the second ccd, problem is if there processing "pressure" then windows unparks the second ccd so it can run that 4k Netflix you opened on second monitor while gaming, once that ccd is unparked the scheduler can inadvertently swap game threads onto it killing performance and causing stutters.
The scheduler is not able to "pin" programs to cores or a ccd, once the second ccd is unparked the "dumb" scheduler doesn't know any better (and it's not the one to gave parked the ccd in the first place, it just does its simple thread scheduling as it's always done).
You can do it yourself or using process lasso, but I've seen some people on here get annoyed at all that work and just swap to an 800x3d instead of dealing with 950x3d. But maybe that's more rare these days as the drivers and game bar and stuff have been updated
no6969el@reddit
I just use processed lasso and none of this is a problem. You can also use the free version.
NewestAccount2023@reddit
I mean 30 seconds before you replied I saw this comment from just today. Probably can't link to other subs but it's someone getting stutters on a 9950x3d
Traditional_Slip5953@reddit (OP)
Thanks! Thats what I ended up on choosing!
CurmudgeonlyBargee@reddit
Why not the 9700X? What's up with it that makes the others better? I'm asking why, I'm not saying everyone else is wrong.
Eddytion@reddit
If playing multiplayer games like CSGO WZ OW, the cpu is more important than GPU. Ive had 70+ fps increase going from 9700x to 9800x3d in bf6. From 190 to 260+.
CurmudgeonlyBargee@reddit
Thanks, that's good to know. I already bought the 9700X but it doesnt seem to get mentioned. An extra 70fps is nuts!
Eddytion@reddit
Yeah, I wasn’t happy when I saw that my then-gpu 4080 Super was only being used at 70% in competitive games even close to 4K res. But note that in single-player GPU heavy games there is almost no difference.
Traditional_Slip5953@reddit (OP)
Thats one of several games I'm planning on playing. + Star Citizen, Kerbal Space Program (heavily modded) etc.
jonstoppable@reddit
9700x is great for mixed productivity etc
but the extra l3 cache on the others are tuned for gaming
CurmudgeonlyBargee@reddit
Thanks, that's good to know. I already bought the 9700X but it doesnt seem to get mentioned
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
The BEST performance while gaming if you don't care about cost at all?
9950X3D.
no6969el@reddit
Thank you. People seem to think loading a 9800x3d with the game and all the CPU processes would somehow be faster than a '9950x3D with all those processes on secondary CCD.
It's like people can't imagine how to split everything. And because it's easier all of a sudden the 9800x3d becomes the one for use because " you might have scheduling issues". Ignoring the fact that you can just simply tell it which CCD to run on and you never have to tell it again.
Medium-Brain6190@reddit
If we talking gaming 9850x3d then 9800x3d then 7800x3d The 9900 series chips are worst in gaming situations.
Traditional_Slip5953@reddit (OP)
9850x3d it is then!
damien24101982@reddit
purely for gaming - 7800x3d or 9800x3d, 9850x3d if not way more expensive than 9800x3d
Traditional_Slip5953@reddit (OP)
I ended up choosing the 9850x3d :)
Atrieden@reddit
Choose the best you are willing to spend on..
dezza82@reddit
Save your self some money grab a 7800x3d
Even-Act-85@reddit
This
PayInevitable1001@reddit
Yo tengo una 5080 con un 9600x y va todo genial. Cpu al 60% en el peor de los casos
Ambitious_Handle7322@reddit
Don't bother with ryzen 9's for gaming, if you want the best gaming performance just grab the 9850x3d
pesa44@reddit
3 weeks ago I went with 9850x3d. I do not need extra cores of 9900/9950x3d, for gaming there might be CCDs slowdowns, 9700x is a viable option if you want to save money and play mostly singleplayer games at 4K, 9800x3d is the best option if you want the best gaming experience. If 9850x3d is almost the same price as 9800x3d, grab it instead. In my case there were 20 dollars difference so 9850x3d it was.
Tapelessbus2122@reddit
9850x3d if u want it now. or wait for the 9950x3d2 to drop. i plan to upgrade from my 9950x3d do it as well
NefariousSINNER@reddit
If you don't care about cost, then wait for Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 that's coming out in like a month. It is going to require beefier cooling, just FYI. Might run hot, if leaks are to be believed.
TechnoGMNG589@reddit
9850x3d. If the price difference between the 9800x3d and 9850x3d is above 50 usd then its not worth the 1-2% boost over the 9800x3d.
9900x3d and 9950x3d are primarily for multitasking, a mix of gaming and productivity or heavy productivity.
9700x is worse than the 7800x3d for gaming, while both are still great.
M4K4T4K@reddit
The 9800X3D is the gold standard. However, the 9900X3D and 9950X3D are objectively better CPU's, however you face diminishing returns. A 9950X3d costs double what a 9800X3D costs, but you're actually getting almost no benefits for most games, and maybe 5% increase in a few titles. They're more for you want to play games, but also do stuff like video editing or virtualisation.
tylerz33@reddit
9800x3d or 9850x3d