Israel, Greece finalize [$750 Million USD] purchase of Israeli artillery system
Posted by xland44@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 66 comments
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rmes@reddit
I thought the Portuguese being spineless for allowing the US to use a military base was horrific enough.
But wow, you Greeks overcome all of the imaginable expectations of complacency.
Unique_hobo@reddit
Indeed, we should buy Rocket Artillery from Gaza instead. Do they have any spare water pipes, or should we provide our own?
Boysandberries0@reddit
Keep funding genocide. History remembers.
Unique_hobo@reddit
History remembers, said the Canadian... Are you guys not busy digging up dead bodies under orphanages or something?
cannarchista@reddit
You just proved that history remembers by demonstrating your knowledge of what they did...
Unique_hobo@reddit
But does anyone care? I do not see any Canada boycotts around...
cannarchista@reddit
True, but there have been massive movements to reveal the truth of the residential schools and the First Nations genocide over the last few decades, and I think if Canada had such an active role in any current genocide there would be boycotts of Canadian products too. There have been protests of Canada's arms trade with Israel, just as I'm sure there are protests in Greece regarding this current deal. I don't see anyone calling for a boycott of Greek products though, should we?
Unique_hobo@reddit
Maybe you should. But we both know you wont, same as you wont actually boycot Canada, or Spain, or Portugal, or Belgium, or whoever else. You will get your panties in a bunch online, but the next day, it is business as usual : )
cannarchista@reddit
Yeah no I think I can survive without the single packet of feta cheese I buy maybe once every five years. You guys don't really have anything I want 🤷🏻‍♀️
Unique_hobo@reddit
Indeed. After the news that Internet random stopped buying feta, the Greek government is at the verge of collapse. You did it Reddit!
Worldly_Anybody_9219@reddit
Canada has the Truth and Reconciliation commission and has taken plenty of steps to apologize and continues to apologize for their actions. We don't forget. We are strong enough to admit when we were wrong. Israel, on the other hand, is in engaged in an active genocide. Canada is not. Fuck off with the false moral equivalency.
Unique_hobo@reddit
Touch a sensitive point did I? Oops : ) I guess the weapons you buy from the US are super ethical though?
Cold-Pomegranate6739@reddit
A - No one really cares about how history remembers them
B - Lol at a Canadian of all people saying this 🤣
Dragoncat_3_4@reddit
Oh look who's talking
AzracTheFirst@reddit
You are the only Greek in here defending this. Disgusting, like your ruling party. The rest of us don't agree with supporting genocidal, fascist countries.
juanlg1@reddit
Is Israel the only country in the world selling rocket artillery? Does Greece need rocket artillery so desperately that they’re willing to do business with a country committing genocide?
Unique_hobo@reddit
For this specific system, apparently Israel can do it at the best value for money and the most favourable terms. There are also common geopolitical goals.
juanlg1@reddit
The common geopolitical goals being destabilizing the Middle East?
Unique_hobo@reddit
Countering Turkish influence and East-Med cooperation in general.
pimmen89@reddit
Sweden produces rocket artillery too, and we haven’t done any genocides lately. We’re also a NATO ally and an EU country.
Unique_hobo@reddit
Pray, tell what rocket artillery does Sweden produce? At what price was it offered, and what were the terms of technology transfer and cooperation? From a quick search, I did not find anything.
pimmen89@reddit
Raytheon-Bofors Excalibur.
I don’t know too much about pricing and terms, but we’re allies and in the EU so we are legally required to give full cooperation. And you don’t risk being sanctioned for buying from a genocidal state if it comes to that, hard to put a price on peace of mind.
Unique_hobo@reddit
We dont risk being sanctioned right now. Who will put sanctions on us? Are the other EU countries buying Israeli weapons?
knakworst36@reddit
There are plenty of countries that don’t fight a war of agression and are not an apartheid state. How about your European Allies, maybe the ones who bailed you out in the past.
Unique_hobo@reddit
Ah yes, the EU allies that bailed us out, called us PIGS, and went on to sell weapons to Turkey. I think we will pass...
sarim25@reddit
I never understood why Greece doesn't buy weapon systems or drones from European countries. They are in the EU afterall
This is just funding a genocide.
Unique_hobo@reddit
Maybe the EU weapons are not realy competitive Price/Quality wise? When they are good, they are preferred. See French fighter jets and frigates, German submarines and tanks, etc., etc. But if the Israelis are easier to work with and cheaper, that is what we will buy. Simple as.
Worldly_Anybody_9219@reddit
So Greece is so cheap that they'll fund a genocide to get a deal. Got it.
Unique_hobo@reddit
To secure national defence, we buy from anyone, same as Canada. Or do you guys use ethically sourced, free range vegetarian F-35s?
CluelessExxpat@reddit
Has nothing to do with price/quality.
You don't form a strategic partnership and then don't purchase anything from Israel. You want their protection? You fund them. As simple as that.
Unique_hobo@reddit
Has everything to do with price/quality. There is no comparable system in the EU market, except if you count some Ukrainian systems...
Stubbs94@reddit
Buying from the modern day equivalent of Nazi Germany is okay if it's competitive?
Unique_hobo@reddit
Absolutely. And it is not limited to them as well. I would support buying US, Russian, Chinese, Iranian, North Korean, or Klingon weapons; I couldn't care less. When it comes to matters of national defense, everything else is secondary, but of course, this is a hard concept to grasp for a person living in the crystal palace in the sky that is Ireland. For you, this is a theoretical debate, as you are protected by your pimp, the U.K.
Stubbs94@reddit
You're a very weird, angry person... Nobody is invading Greece mate.
Unique_hobo@reddit
From my POV, I see you guys being angry and going on moral crusades. I just want cheap missiles, got them, and I am otherwise happy filling up a slow work day with online arguments : )
Also, about us not being invaded, is the mighty Irish army going to guarantee that? Or should I take your word for it? Because I do not remember you guys doing much to help us in the past, so forgive me for not taking super seriously.
Stubbs94@reddit
You worried the Persian armies are coming to take away your slaves?
Unique_hobo@reddit
Now THAT is a weird comment. Greece does not have slaves, and the Persians are busy getting bombed. However, perhaps you do not know that there is a standing threat of war against Greece, codified as part of Turkish law, if Greece exercises it's UNCLOS rights. Additionally, you have the leader of a Neighboring country saying, "We could come suddenly one night." Of course, living in the western EU and being protected by your former colonial masters, Ireland does not have to consider such unpleasant realities.
CluelessExxpat@reddit
At worst, you have Euro-PULS. Sure, Israel is involved in the joint development but manufacturing is done within the EU and not ALL the money would go to Israel.
Or could get Homar-K from Poland. Almost identical to PULS.
In fact, I would argue GMARS would be better for Greece due to its higher range as it considers Turkey as the adversary.
Unique_hobo@reddit
South Korea is being considered for other contracts apparently, including the new submarine program. However, as is the case for PULS, it makes sense to buy directly from the source, and not from a re-seller concortium. Why would we buy Euro-PULS instead of the original?
brinz1@reddit
Greece entered a partnership with Israel when they found gas in the Mediterranean. Israel offered an alliance against Turkey, and that is the basis for nearly all greek decisions
altahor42@reddit
They must realize that further advances would be completely absurd now that they see the UAE's current situation in the Gulf, with its agreement with Israel. But it seems that appearing to be doing something against Turkey is more important to Greece than any real strategic gain.
brinz1@reddit
It's a thousand year grudge
altahor42@reddit
They appear to be doing something, but in reality, they're not doing anything.
Let me give an example: according to the agreement signed when Greece acquired the southeastern islands, arming them is prohibited. Despite this, they have deployed weapons and troops to these islands, and recently installed air defense systems. The problem is that targets on these islands could be destroyed in two minutes by direct artillery fire from Turkey, and furthermore, even if they miraculously survived the first day of a war, Greece has no chance of providing logistical support to these troops. In short, Greece is giving Turkey a diplomatic argument without any military gain, and on top of that, it is turning islands that would not be targets if they were unarmed into legitimate military targets during wartime.
brinz1@reddit
The truth is Turkey has Russia to the North, Kurds to the south and east, Azerbaijan kicking off of now Iran.
Even if the Turkish Military was competent and didn't have the main priority of Holding the country together from internal chaos, it has much bigger concerns than attacking Greece right now
Aenjeprekemaluci@reddit
Yup and ironically calls for dissolving NATO to take on Turkey too. Honestly it wouldnt be the worst thing as Turkey would finally put there finger out and do whats necessary to keep them at bay.
imnotcreative635@reddit
Israel will fund and heavily arm every Kurdish group. And that's if they even "beat" Iran to open that corridor
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
average Reddit "expert"
France is the top arms/military provider of Greece.
Israel is second.
(& we don't plan on "buying" drones, but producing our own - Israel is important, on that front, as they're actively helping, sharing knowledge, etc. generally, a respected ally).
poincares_cook@reddit
There is no European equivalent to PULS/HIMARS.
nycdiveshack@reddit
You don’t know the half of it. Greece has been partnered up with Palantir since Covid. At this point Greece does whatever Thiel/Ellison tell them to do
Tar-eruntalion@reddit
our ruling class here has always been fanatical supporters of america and lately of israel, so it's nothing shocking honestly, if they could they would make us the 51st state of the usa
Bupod@reddit
Not to worry. The MAGA class of America would revolt at the idea of Greece as a 51st state. They’d probably also get mad at the idea of conquering Greece because “We need oil, not grease” unironically. Â
niemody@reddit
How dare of the government to care about national security.
Killeroftanks@reddit
Problem with this is, greece is never seeing those guns, after all they're gonna be used by the IDF first until this conflict is over. Second problem is that this war is never gonna end, might have a year break but Israel is gonna start shit again to maintain their control, and keeping bibi and his crones out of prison.
Unique_hobo@reddit
Bet. Anything else we bought from them was delivered on time and on budget.
Downtown-Theme-3981@reddit
Buying israeli equipment is as dumb as buying us (atm even worse, we all are getting the bill for spme twisted holy war in the name of greater israel, pedos and epstein).
Ofc there could be a reason, like deliveries of other systems being too far away (which honestly i doubt), but they could state it clearly.
ChillAhriman@reddit
Imagine watching the military-industrial complex that has trouble to beat Iran because their munitions have absurdly inflated costs in comparison with their enemies' and going "Hmm, yes, this is where my country's budget should get sunk into".
The fact that the Russo-Ukrainian war is seeing NATO spend such vast amounts of money to merely achieve a stalemate should have been our warning call to realize that we're severely overpaying for our military equipment. But nope! Murican and Israeli shareholders gotta get our tax money for ships and fighters with a backdoor that we don't control.
Kind-Ad-6099@reddit
Why are you jumping to the conclusion that we’re overpaying?
ADP_God@reddit
The goal is to trash the country they've decided to hate as a premise. Logic is secondary to that.
alecsgz@reddit
So you think Russia is fighting NATO?
I have to hand to the Russian they managed to convince all the morons of Europe
ChillAhriman@reddit
Russia isn't fighting NATO soldiers, but they are fighting against NATO equipment, which has laid bare issues with our militaries.
UK gives tanks to Ukraine, these tanks suffer minor damage, and then... They stay benched indefinitely, because for some reason the UK can't provide the replacement parts to refit those tanks.
In the midst of all of this, Ukraine has gone from producing no drones to producing more drones than all of the EU combined. Great for them, but what does it say about us? We've seen that the Ukraine war has massively shifted to a form of conflict where drones are fundamental, and arguably, any potential Russian invasion against an European country would behave the same way. And yet our military industry hasn't shifted to massively produce drones.
Our military budgets aren't designed in accordance with our defense needs, but in accordance with who lobbies our politicians the hardest, and that's not just wasteful, but also extremely dangerous.
Naurgul@reddit
Greek politicians, especially right-wingers, will start caring about inflated costs when hell freezes over. This administration has wasted billions upon billions of EU money from the pandemic recover fund dooming the long term prospects of the country; to them military procurement grift is just another Tuesday.
Lovescrossdrilling@reddit
Also let's not forget most of the government and political leaders of opposition parties were wire-tapped using Israeli spyware. It's definite that Israel has our political elite grabbed by the balls and there's no will to change this anytime soon.
WaterLillith@reddit
Lol, do you think European or American are somehow massively cheaper? They all use the same shells anyway.
Israel isn't using Artillery against Iran, so it's a moot point.
atomkicke@reddit
America has trouble beating Iran because they don’t put boots on the ground. Are we just expecting the people to take care of the work? In 1 month in Iraq in 2003 we had completely destroyed them, one of the 10 largest militaries in the world. In a little over 2 months in Afghanistan we had completely taken over major population centers and forced the taliban into hiding. What the fuck has Trump done with 1 month of war in terms of gains? Fuck all. We refuse to use the most powerful land army in the world and have already given up our advantage by prolonging it to this point. If you are going to justify the war by humanitarian grounds (which according to some was justifiable) then there has been no progress towards that.
xland44@reddit (OP)
Original title:
Israel, Greece finalize NIS 2.3 billion purchase of Israeli artillery system
I posted with USD instead to be more applicable for international readers
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