Swan65 vs Swan80 for 4people.
Posted by noreturn000@reddit | sailing | View on Reddit | 15 comments
Hi. I , my husband and his brother and his wife will buy a new yacht and sail across the world. We already have a Oasis 60 but we want to step up to a bigger one. My husband says the swan 65 because he thinks the 80 is to big but i think there is no point of buying it since ours is already 60. But his brother says the 80 requires more crew members and we dont want other people on board. but my husband says 4 would be enough for 80. what do u think?
reggae_muffin@reddit
lol what a ridiculous post… anyone who actually has and actively sails a 60’ boat doesn’t need input from Reddit on the purchase of an 80 footer.
euph_22@reddit
You don't ask reddit when you are deciding which multimillion boat to buy?
Extreme_Map9543@reddit
60 is to small and you need an 80? Jesus Christ. Money is different for some people
Golywobblerer@reddit
God I want your problems. I think the 65. it lots of boat for 4 people. Plus Im really hoping you guys will want to pull into all sorts of little ports etc on your journey. The 80 would limit many of those. If you are just visiting prestigious harbors then the 80 will definitely get you there in style but prices go up everwhere more fees at marinas, parts are even harder to find because there are literally only 8 made in one variant and 5 in the v2. I love sailing Monohulls but for my dream sail around the world boat would be a HH-66 SC.
noreturn000@reddit (OP)
we will only go to big marinas
Golywobblerer@reddit
Well let me know when you hit Hawaii. The 80 might be a bit much for the Lahaina beer can races but I wanna be on your team if you are in town.
noreturn000@reddit (OP)
we dont plan to go to hawaii. it will be basically like europe, miami, bermuda, california, australia and singapore
FairSeafarer@reddit
65, definitely.
80 is big and they tend to be a fair bit more complicated. 80ft more often than not have 2 generators that run several hours a day, sometimes 2 engines and generally far more complex systems… With 80, you really have a mini super yacht as opposed to still a ‘sailboat’.
In terms if space, I know that if we were 4 adults on a 65, it would more than do. 80, way too big.
You swing over the 24m mark as well. Technically, this does not change anything since you are not operating a commercial vessel, still, it means at least a couple things for insurance: extra qualified crew requirements which can be really annoying, longer list of safety equipments, stricter stability requirements, etc. The higher the value of the insured good, the stricter your insurance will be.
Other than that, 80ft is a LOT of boat to handle, even for 4 people. Think of the extra stress docking… I’m sweating already.
Maintenance will be a full time job and a half if you do a lot of miles on an 80ft. You disclose already that the goal is a circumnavigation. Depending on how good each person is able to pitch in, either financially or in sweat equity, that could quickly create a disequilibrium between the 4 owners or both couples. Caring for a 65 could be more than enough. I swear, spending time in the engine room is not what you will be wanting to do between passages. Even if you have the means, there are many places in the world where you cannot buy services or parts even if you want to. That’s often very hard. I can’t imagine what that would be like. For reference, we have a 56 ft and we are half way around the world, and it’s a lot already.
Another point that was made already, make sure the draft does not limit you. We have 8ft of draft and it has not limited us thus far, but I’m not sure I would go much over that, or if at all.
There are other boats in between 65 and 80, but why go over 69-70ft?
Bulky-Internal8579@reddit
I can't decide which caviar is best with my breakfast cereal - and is Trix for kids?!?!?!
No-Willingness469@reddit
You are looking at the wrong number. Length is non-linear, meaning a 65 will be much bigger than a 60. An 80 for 4 people sounds crazy.
interessenkonflikt@reddit
It’s probably a good solution if you want to circumnavigate with people you actually despise. Chaque un a son goût.
Visible_Ad_5803@reddit
Swan 80 you'll definitly need a crew to me, at least for maintenance.
No-Country6348@reddit
What’s the draft on the 80? We are just finishing our second circumnavigation and went from a 54 centerboard to 60 full keel and the difference made an impact on where we could anchor or moor. It would also be much more limiting going from 60 to 80 in where you can haul out for maintenance and repairs (not to mention the difference in expense).
Coreantes@reddit
This is basically the one thing you want to know when picking any boat: where are you going to sail/what is your goal for the boat. Then, buy accordingly.
GMN123@reddit
If you have to ask how many crew you'd need, an 80 is too big.