Windows 12 - FujiFilm knows something we don't? (See image)

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Askey308@reddit (OP)

Tuesday randomness trying to download a driver and saw Windows 12 on FF's driver list

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dirtrunner21@reddit

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I was there when MS said Windows 10 was supposed to be the last version of Windows

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NoPossibility4178@reddit

Gotta love how Microslop bots all come out of the woodwork to defend how "Microsoft never said that" when someone mentions that.

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kirashi3@reddit

Because Microsoft didn't? If I recall correctly, it was a single engineer in a blog post. I do not recall there ever being an official announcement from Microsoft PR teams though.

Now, if you can find a source that says otherwise, I will happily eat my hat over this. Feel free to link it in a comment reply when you find it. 🙂

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Microsoft let that guy speak and give interviews to major publications and let word spread around without denying it because it was good PR, until eventually that didn't really fit the narrative anymore and it's "it was some random guy that said it". You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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kirashi3@reddit

Isn't this what our mass media news outlets do? And heck, the government does this all the time. Ultimately, it is and always will be up to you, the individual human being, to verify the authenticity of everything you read or hear. Whether or not you wish to spend time doing this is entirely up to you. 🤷

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Cyhawk@reddit

Nope, a Microsoft employee did say it.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/shows/ignite-2015/brk2352

Around 15 min mark, it was also repeated by other Microsoft employees around the same time and for a few years it was Microsoft's mantra.

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nexustrimean@reddit

Windows 11's Version numbers are all still 10.xxxxxxxx So they aren't wrong yet.

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5panks@reddit

Me trying to explain why going from 10 to 11 isn't as big of a deal as going from 7 to 10 because 10 and 11 are the same kernel.

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TheSmJ@reddit

But you can't put the taskbar on the left, right or top of the screen so it's the end of the fucking world.

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The_Wkwied@reddit

You also can't pin folders on the taskbar anymore, too... Functionality that's been there since 95.. ffs.

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hurkwurk@reddit

"ExplorerPatcher" its one of the many taskbar replacements. and it works extremely well. I personally missed being able to have a side bar instead of bottom, and they have a windows 10 (explorerpatcher) emulation mode that should let you do everything you want as far as pinning. That said, i think you need to pin the shortcuts to folders, not the open folder, since thats just a explorer shortcut.

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rayoje@reddit

You actually can but it's unnecessarily complicated (tested last week): https://www.groovypost.com/howto/pin-files-folders-or-drives-to-windows-11-taskbar/

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NoPossibility4178@reddit

they removed a feature that's been there for decades, but it's not a feature I use so who cares!

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TheSmJ@reddit

It's a feature that's totally worth throwing a little hissy fit over because now you can't do your job! Luckily for you, there's a couple other grown adults here who you can cry with and I'm sure I got another binky for you to suckle somewhere.

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MajStealth@reddit

i got an insider notification this weekend, that *drumwhirl* taskbar on left, right and top are coming BACK!

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General_NakedButt@reddit

You had users get pissed about this too lol?

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ARandomGuy_OnTheWeb@reddit

Nevermind the users, I'm still annoyed at that too

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verkohlt@reddit

They mentioned in a blog post a few weeks ago that it's going to be enabled again:

Repositioning the taskbar is one of the top asks we’ve heard from you. We are introducing the ability to reposition it to the top or sides of your screen, making it easier to personalize your workspace.

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thelunk@reddit

The problem is why would they think that removing functionality is a good idea? do you want to gate it behind an advanced panel or something? okay fine. read but don't remove usefulness

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simask234@reddit

Remember when the RTM release was missing the ability to have taskbar labels, and they only brought it back after 2 years?

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jordansrowles@reddit

They didn't remove any functionality. They rebuilt it in WinUI3, and just didn't port that functionality over.

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throwawayPzaFm@reddit

They rebuilt it in WinUI3

And they still can't get taskbar thumbnails to show consistently...

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jordansrowles@reddit

🙌 you'll get no love for modern Windows from me... or for WinUI3 at all

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5redie8@reddit

C suites hadn't gotten humbled enough yet

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junkhacker@reddit

Give people things that are big and obvious to complain about and they will put all their energy into complaining about it. Then you easily fix it, and you don't hear them complain anymore, even about the much more serious problems.

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ZipTheZipper@reddit

They're supposedly bringing that back soon.

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dathar@reddit

Y'all pissed at that but I'm more pissed that we lost the ability to throw folders on our taskbars. The fun sub-Start menu folders where you can load up your portable apps and shortcuts and put it next to the system clock. Used to have one for different tools and files. LDAP/AD, certain scripts and shortcuts, memes...

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nroach44@reddit

I remember early versions of W10 had a version number of 6.4.

I've even turned on machines that I thought had 8/8.1 on them, but nope it was early 10.

Iteration is a killer

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simask234@reddit

Those must have been prereleases/betas.
But yeah. 6.0 was Vista, 6.1 was 7, 6.2 was 8, 6.3 was 8.1

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AmiDeplorabilis@reddit

That's just... wrong.

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renegadecanuck@reddit

The newest versions of Microsoft Office are still technically version 16.x.

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BlackV@reddit

so its windows 12 ;)

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MyUshanka@reddit

Just pulling a Mac and stalling on 10 for... 15 years. By my math, they've got about 4-5 left?

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theEvilQuesadilla@reddit

r/AngryUpvote

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Stickus@reddit

A single engineer said it and was talking about Windows 10/kernel. Windows still on kernel v10.x and that ain't changing yet

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pdp10@reddit

A single engineer said it

Microsoft never contradicted the printed statements of someone who was authorized to talk to media -- until it was time to sell some new hardware with new OEM licenses.

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TheJesusGuy@reddit

No, you weren't.

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Tireseas@reddit

You mean when one Windows exec said they didn't have another one in the pipeline. People heard "last" and forgot it has more than one meaning.

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MajStealth@reddit

he hear and understand what we want to hear -

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ArmyCommander6948@reddit

they never said that though...

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Cyhawk@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/1cbnqjg/what_happened_to_that_story_of_windows_10_will_be/l10qb5a/

Heres a link to the source. They did. You are incorrect.

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dustojnikhummer@reddit

Wasn't that said by one random Windows dev on Twitter?

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MartianMH_@reddit

If i recall correctly the person saying this meant Windows 10 is the latest they are working on when saying its the last Windows Version. As in the last released version

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funkwizard4000@reddit

They never actually said that.

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Capta-nomen-usoris@reddit

Show me where they never said that.

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Entegy@reddit

It was an enthusiastic developer at a conference. The tech press ran wild with it.

Microsoft publishes their product lifecycle. It was very expected that Windows 10 would have a 10 year lifecycle.

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ArborlyWhale@reddit

Not correcting something so wide spread, literally said by one of your employees, is implicitly agreeing with it lol. So yes, they did say something with their silence.

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SeanFrank@reddit

It wasn't one of their employees. It was a random developer who makes software for windows.

MSFT never said that.

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NoPossibility4178@reddit

Jerry Nixon worked at Microsoft.

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syslurk@reddit

It was all over the marketing at the time when they were offering free upgrades from Windows 7. Windows 10 was sold as the last Windows you ever need.

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braytag@reddit

Yeah they did. Even the downloads went to "windows server" instead of the usual "windows server 20xx"

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PatHeist@reddit

They absolutely did, watched everyone make a big fuss about it, didn't make any attempt at correction, didn't refute it when reached out to for comments by journalists, then years later they decided it wasn't true and tried to gaslight everyone about it.

If it was false all along they should have cleared it up years earlier.

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newbieITguy2@reddit

I remember it like this

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LeoTheBigCat@reddit

I was there, 3000 years ago. They really did say that.

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Ryokurin@reddit

Jerry Nixon said it. And Microsoft never corrected the statement. The press ran with it as official.

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Askey308@reddit (OP)

Statement by Jerry Nixon in 2015 but MS later changed the idea of Windows as a Service.

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HotPieFactory@reddit

I was there when MS said Windows 10 was supposed to be the last version of Windows

But you sure didn't listen, did you?

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Plane_Garbage@reddit

I mean, who gives a rats about an operating system nowadays.

I click on the taskbar and move a window, open file explorer. That's about the extent of my interaction with an OS.

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Drywesi@reddit

Those of us who want a responsive computer that doesn't gunk up everything with crap, that's who.

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my_name_isnt_clever@reddit

You're a sysadmin and you never interact with your OS? Is everything you do in the cloud or something?

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No_Dog9530@reddit

Honestly speaking MS should give up on Win 11, it’s got enough bad press already and go full steam ahead with Win 12 with all the improvements they have been promising last few weeks.

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admalledd@reddit

But that means they'll have to create yet another control panel/settings app replacement!

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No_Dog9530@reddit

Honestly I prefer control panel over the settings app. Even a phone settings have more customization option rather than the crap available in Win 11

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admalledd@reddit

The list of users preferring Settings App is vanishingly small IMO. No one likes the new settings app.

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intense_username@reddit

Oh dear. I can only assume that would come with some new baseline hardware requirement, thereby contributing to more nonsensical e-waste such as what Windows 11 oh-so-eloquently held the line with.

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linoleumknife@reddit

Windows 12: only compatible with ARM, RISC-V, and PowerPC.

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simask234@reddit

There did actually exist a PPC (and certain other RISC platforms, like DEC Alpha) port of Windows NT 4. But unlike modern Windows on ARM, there was no way to run x86 programs. Later SPs dropped support for anything other than i386 and Alpha, and Windows 2000 only supported x86. They tried again with XP and Intel's Itanium architecture, but it was also discontinued once x86-64 began gaining popularity in the workstation market.

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pdp10@reddit

NT has run on: i860, MIPS 3000, x86, Alpha, little-endian PowerPC, Itanium, x86_64, 32-bit ARM, 64-bit ARMv8. WinCE additionally supported SuperH.

The i860 was probably extremely primitive and I doubt any artifacts exist, but the others all shipped to end-users. I'm not aware that there are any Dazzle devboards still in existence.
The NT port to Alpha was still 32-bit, even though the Alpha was 64-bit. NT's first publicly-released 64-bit port was Intel IA64. Despite retaining 32-bit pointers, the Alpha version was notoriously RAM-hungry even in comparison to the x86 version.
Allegedly, when Intel wanted to pivot from IA64 into a proprietary x86-based 64-bit architecture, Microsoft leaned on Intel and pushed them into cross-licensing AMD's x86_64, to prevent binary fragmentation. Microsoft's third-party developer base has never really grokked architectures and compiling for them, so this may have avoided 64-bit NT catastrophe, post-Itanium.

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simask234@reddit

Allegedly, when Intel wanted to pivot from IA64 into a proprietary x86-based 64-bit architecture, Microsoft leaned on Intel and pushed them into cross-licensing AMD's x86_64, to prevent binary fragmentation. Microsoft's third-party developer base has never really grokked architectures and compiling for them, so this may have avoided 64-bit NT catastrophe, post-Itanium.

Yeah, I think this was definitely the right move from MS...

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accidentlife@reddit

Yes please.

X86 needs to die a fiery death.

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orion3311@reddit

And the version number: 10.12

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pdp10@reddit

I think Apple trademarked that one.

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couldhietoGallifrey@reddit

Worse than that - 10.0.2601.12345

Windows 11 is still actually 10.0.

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RainStormLou@reddit

with hundreds of links back to control panel items still.

I will never quit bitching about how damn stupid it was for them to do that on windows server. it's a server. it doesn't need to be user friendly and simplified. it needs to be admin accessible and highly functional.

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pdp10@reddit

it doesn't need to be user friendly and simplified.

If marketing is going to deliver on its promise of needing fewer and cheaper personnel, it does. Touchscreen tile server admin for everyone.

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cool_slowbro@reddit

And leave it half finished with most of the useful functions still exclusively found on the old one.

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5panks@reddit

I just want to be able to have multiple windows or tabs open please!

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DonL314@reddit

Not "Windows 12", that's too easy.

They should change to a new branding scheme (as they have done before) so you absolutely cannot figure out the version history just by looking at the names.

I suggest "Windows BX", "Windows Uranium", "Windows Townhall" or something like that.

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pdp10@reddit

They should change to a new branding scheme (as they have done before)

Windows Pro, Windows Max, Windows Pro Max, Windows Ultimate, Windows Pro Ultimate, Windows Air. Easy.

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labalag@reddit

~~Windows~~ Copilot

At least in some exec's wet dream.

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isysopi201@reddit

I’m tired of Windows, let me have easier access… let me have Doors.

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YeetedApple@reddit

You know it's gonna include copilot or ai in the name

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IM-PT24@reddit

I mean, it's not hard to guess what will the OS name.

Copilot 12.

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Jackpen7@reddit

Nah, Windows 12 Copilot (New)

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GremlinNZ@reddit

What happened to Windows 12 Copilot Classic!??

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TheGreatNico@reddit

That's what they're going to rebrand 11 to

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NinjaQueef@reddit

AI Max Copilot 12, now with an even newer Outlook.

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Irverter@reddit

Outlook (new (new))

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MajStealth@reddit

new New Teams(biz and org) vs new New Teams(consumer)

of course the brackets are not in the name...

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Askey308@reddit (OP)

This feel like it may not be a joke haha

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gsmitheidw1@reddit

Codename: Azure-ish

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chameleonsEverywhere@reddit

maybe it'll be a Cerulean or Turquoise just plain ol Blue

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AmiDeplorabilis@reddit

We'll ALL be blue.

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GraemMcduff@reddit

Da ba dee da ba di

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databeestjegdh@reddit

Which will be the startup jingle

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MajStealth@reddit

we already have blue windows, just the house car and girlfriend are missing....

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WWGHIAFTC@reddit

Azuresque

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Y0nix@reddit

I would have say Windows 365

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NoskaOff@reddit

Or Flopindows

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JakobSejer@reddit

You mean "New Copilot 12"

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dreamfin@reddit

New Copilot 12 (New)

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ph33rlus@reddit

Or Copilot 27?

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Freon424@reddit

Copilot 720.

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jc_denty@reddit

The pro version: Copilot 720 series x

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Sk1rm1sh@reddit

Needs more numbers, how about:

Copilot 12 365?

That's crazy, we don't want to confuse people. Just go with:

Copilot 12 x (30 + 5/12)

Beautiful. Rolls right off the tongue.

- Microsoft, probably.

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wownz85@reddit

Great comment

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OkDimension@reddit

Copilot 360 OS

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japanfrog@reddit

no they don't. There is no official release and even in the OEM program there is not a single mention about Windows 12. This is probably just a FujiFilm website dev being silly or they used AI to code their website and it made stuff up.

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Askey308@reddit (OP)

I'm thinking AI as "vibe coding" is becoming more popular. 😂

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RainStormLou@reddit

they teach classes on it at real schools. I had a candidate recently that I thought was fucking with me during the interview until I pulled up their credentials and found the vibe coding cert. it's not anything reputable as far as industry certs go, but it was a accredited school "conferring" that certificate out to poor kids who are going to have to explain that shit awkwardly when a disgruntled admin hears about it lol.

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Askey308@reddit (OP)

Oh no, please tell me you're kidding?

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RainStormLou@reddit

I wish I was but all the crap I keep making dumb jokes about keeps becoming real, and worse, everyone around me is seemingly excited about it.

I'm not that old but I'm starting to feel like an old man because back in my day we would freak out if we found out Microsoft was snooping our chat data and now it seems like most organizational leadership can't give it to Microsoft fast enough.

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pdp10@reddit

worse, everyone around me is seemingly excited about it.

The same ones are planning for computers to drive their car, too. But not without them in the driver's seat, which would at least make sense.

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RevLoveJoy@reddit

That's why all my dumb jokes these days have some phrase or clause in them were I get filthy rich and vanish.

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ImScaredofCats@reddit

I teach programming and next year thanks to the qualification we teach being changed, an assessed task involves how well they can prompt AI to make code for specific task.

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TotallyInOverMyHead@reddit

Please tell me you teach coding / scripting the classical way still, and Ai Prompting is just a small part of your programing / scripting course

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ImScaredofCats@reddit

Yes I do it the classic way absolutely and the results speak for themselves, I'm really reluctant to teach them 'vibe coding'.

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TotallyInOverMyHead@reddit

i mean i DO get it. I myself use Claude to write/rewrite some powershell scripts of mine. But then i do give very specific instructions and test them beforehand on the testing environment.

Its just easier than looking up all the script commands manually. But doing whole programms or open-web facing sites ? ... i'm not sure thats such a good idea, especially when some person decides to automate it.

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ImScaredofCats@reddit

That's my misgivings on the task, I find usually the more you ask it to make a whole program, the worse the ouput becomes and the less it actually listens/makes changes.

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Chrostiph@reddit

to be fair: there prolly will be a new brand name, they will use "Windows 11" and at a certain technology milestone have to come up with a fresh marketing name. "Windows Cloud" - I don't think they will use "12", or as other mentioned Windows "Future", "Windows 2030", "Windows Copilot"

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rfc2549-withQOS@reddit

It's Windows 12 (new) copilot (new) edition

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opotamus_zero@reddit

Windows 12 will be made with AI

Windows 13 will be made with sticks and rocks.

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meditonsin@reddit

Windows 13 will be made with sticks and leaves.

Windows 13

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ArchonTheta@reddit

Holy shit it’s already Tuesday?

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Askey308@reddit (OP)

Here in NZ it is😂

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dreamfin@reddit

And EU too.

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Sphinx2K@reddit

This year we put a twelve on the box

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Aevum1@reddit

every few generations they try to turn windows in to a cloud base thin client, i think Dell is the victim this time around,

https://www.howtogeek.com/dells-new-adorable-mini-pc-isnt-actually-a-pc/

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BatmanGMT@reddit

They can have windows 12,13,14 but just give me my SMB V1 for scans

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Calaeno-16@reddit

But today is Monday

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dpf81nz@reddit

timezones exist!

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Askey308@reddit (OP)

NZ lives in the future.

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fbp@reddit

Or was this last tuesday on April Fools?

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Askey308@reddit (OP)

Nah today the 7th

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nousername1244@reddit

windows 12? when?

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thelizardking43@reddit

Where’s Windows 9?

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ratshack@reddit

Duh, 7 8 9

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Askey308@reddit (OP)

Like asking Gabe where is Half Life 3 😂

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AHrubik@reddit

Yeah... no. Microsoft doesn't release an OS without extensive Alpha and Beta testing. Maybe a "beta" is on the horizon but I highly doubt they would have been able to keep the existence of an "alpha" build secret.

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ratshack@reddit

Microsoft doesn't release an OS without extensive Alpha and Beta testing.

Omg thanks, I needed that laugh.

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Iseeapool@reddit

Microsoft doesn't release an OS without extensive Alpha and Beta testing

... you are the bêta tester.

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Ryokurin@reddit

It was well rumored that 25H2 had a lot of contention on if it should be named Windows 12, or if they should wait until they have something more substantial to offer, like AI capabilities and such. Someone at FujiFilm just made an assumption so they wouldn't have to add it later.

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ApertureNext@reddit

Windows 11 is supposed to get much bigger changes than we've seen so far, at least if Microsoft still have those plans that were talked about around the launch of 11.

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berryer@reddit

Honestly for several major versions it seems like the only reason they cut a new one is to push out new anti-features and then cut support for the versions without those anti-features. I haven't seen anything terrible enough since W11's launch to justify a new major version just yet.

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rxoper726@reddit

Glad they’re getting ahead of the S show it’s bound to be

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DragonspeedTheB@reddit

Future-proofing 😎

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Effective-Edge-2037@reddit

Considering the cool help me features are just Copilot telling you were to go without taking you there.

CouchPilot 12 "Where would you like to go?"

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Title_in_progress@reddit

Haven't heard anything official, but according to the latest rumours, there is talk of a possible release in late 2026 or 2027.

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admalledd@reddit

My hearing was more "if (big if) W12 anytime soon, earliest would be for a Q4/Q1 announcement for a summer release". IE: If there was going to be a W12 soon, we'd expect official teaser blogs/etc for ~six ish months before the proper release. Similar has been done since at least Vista.

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ParticularDonut7555@reddit

It’s not just a glitch; it’s a sign that the next major OS cycle is starting behind the scenes.

The "Hudson Valley" Leak: Internal Microsoft projects have been circulating among OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturers) like FujiFilm for months. These companies are required to have "Windows 12 Ready" drivers months before the OS actually hits the public.

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phpfiction@reddit

Will be funny if the min requirements are Intel 12th or above, 32gb ram ddr5 min and a dedicated graphic card 3050, just in the shortage.

I mean if windows 11 was forced programed obsolescence with Spyware.

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