The normalization of drinking and driving around here is crazy to me
Posted by boomballoonmachine@reddit | Dallas | View on Reddit | 247 comments
Recently moved here from DC so this might be a naive and virginal take but I gotta say I did not expect “drunk driving” to be a staple of the culture here. Drunk drivers are everywhere but at least back home I never met people who clearly do it. If you’re out drinking it’s a huge taboo to get in your car at all; most people take some combination of public transit or Uber if they live in the suburbs or have cash / stayed out past Metro hours. Now it seems like every dude I go on a date with is getting in the car after a beer or two which, okay, fine, that’s legal BAC, but I get the impression people many don’t stop there while drinking casually on the weekend. I’ve had this all but confirmed by several locals.
Logically I understand how this happens - no usable public transit outside of a few expensive neighborhoods, bars are an easy and cheap way to socialize, even a non-rush-hour Uber is wildly expensive because of sprawl, and lots of people are atomized / transitory so may not be able to coordinate a carpool with a designated driver. I have a hard line against driving with a single drop in my system due to some meds I’m on that make me a lightweight. I only drink if my date is willing to drive, which requires a certain level of familiarity (firmly third-date-or-later territory) and sets up a power dynamic I don’t love. It’s basically killed my desire to go out to bars and chat with people, which is a lot less fun when you’re the only sober person. And then you get to drive home knowing a fair number of people on the road are not sober. Fun!
XtraterestrialOctopi@reddit
This is why around the celebratory holidays I don’t even get on the road.
happy_puppy25@reddit
Driving at 3am on New Year’s Eve is surreal, everyone goes under the speed limit so they don’t get pulled over. No dui checkpoints allowed so they pull people over for speeding or swerving instead
Nolyism@reddit
When did they stop the checkpoints, could have sworn I saw one on my way home from work last NYE.
happy_puppy25@reddit
Checkpoints of any kind were declared unconstitutional in Texas in 1991. If there was a checkpoint then they were using a loophole or breaking the law.
Nolyism@reddit
That's good to know, not that I'd be willing to drink and drive, just don't do well in police interactions. I was been stone cold sober when a cop pulled me over for a dirty license plate light and could not believe that I wasn't intoxicated because I was shaking so badly from the anxiety and tripping over my words.
Then_Inside6809@reddit
They use a specific chain of limited term warrants signed off by consecutive judges. Its a loophole but its effective.
And they're not "no refusal weekends" they actually last much, much longer.
Unicorn_Wrangler5@reddit
I refuse to drive on NYE in Texas. One of the few days cops actually look for drunk drivers.
Broad_Mushroom_8033@reddit
I used to do this too until my gf got obliterated while breaking into what she thought was an abandoned warehouse while being influenced by lyrics from a Billie eilish song. It was bad to say the least
DJRonin@reddit
Exactly that. The moment the sun started to go down is when I knew my ass needed to be at home
Fauna_Bonna@reddit
Yup it’s terrifying
Unlucky-Counter3211@reddit
So true!
OneMaharajah@reddit
I swear there is a news report from the 80s in DFW (or Texas, I'm forgetting the details) where a bunch of people were calling DUI laws undemocratic and communist. This has always kinda been the norm in Texas. Hell you're seeing how DFW has improved in this sector now, at least people are starting to see it as taboo compared to the normalization back then.
iwillsumday@reddit
Not going to name names, but there are some tiny towns here in Texas where they still treat drunk driving like they did 50+ years ago.
I met a woman in a tiny town of like 1,100 people who was complaining that the cops in their town will make you pour out your beer if you get pulled over
She said “It’s just a little road soda”
Razor1834@reddit
It is funny to see OP’s post in the Dallas sub, because I completely agree. Dallas isn’t the South, the “real” South people aren’t just drinking and then driving, they are drinking and driving. Openly. Beer in hand.
OneMaharajah@reddit
And they will scream communism if you take that away from them
Dropnhook@reddit
Exactly it’s not after going to the bar it’s just tall boys and coors in the cup holder culture here. Always been like that
Broad_Mushroom_8033@reddit
And there is 0-4 officers
Razor1834@reddit
You are related to them or went to school with them.
Mibblez@reddit
Lol why not say the town names? Shame the town i say
MFF214@reddit
Lifelong Dallasite here. When I was a kid drinking WHILE driving was common. Or maybe I was just raised around a bunch of degenerates.
ChuckWeezy@reddit
Not excusing it in the least, but I’ve always thought it was partly due to how sprawled out DFW is. No major transit in the suburbs, like in other parts of the country means people have to drive to get where they’re going. They just make the poor decision to drink beforehand. Lord knows if I was a cat, I’ve used up my nine lives of drinking and driving in my youth.
jeff_jestis1981@reddit
I drive 18 wheelers 14 hours a day in DFW proper. The drunks are usually only 1-3am. The people texting, watching tictok, streaming are worse than any drunk I’ve ever seen.
Jamandjelly1054@reddit
One thing tho about Texas is if you get caught a get a DWI it’s something you can’t get off your record and it’s a mf. They don’t play about it legally but yeah people seem to not care
El_alacran214@reddit
Texas Baby
Select_Counter1678@reddit
I’m just commenting to say don’t get in the car with someone you’ve only met in person 3 times. The way things are nowadays I would give it a few months. The mask will slip at some point before then if they are crazy
highesttiptoes@reddit
My dad was born and raised here, and he said when he was young that instead of measuring a long drive by miles or time, you'd measure it by how much of a 6 pack you could finish before getting there. It was a half joke.
badlyagingmillenial@reddit
The joke part, at least with my dad, was that he could make any drive, no matter how short, into a 6 pack drive.
txnewsprincess@reddit
When I first moved to Texas, I worked for a paper in a dry county. A cop told me once that she wished they would make it at least damp (beer and wine) because statistically people are more likely to wait to get home to crack open a beer (or at least don't have enough time to finish one) if they live closer to the point of sale.
badlyagingmillenial@reddit
Yeah, the dry counties in Texas have essentially caused thousands of accidents over the years because it forces people to drive further for booze, and those drivers are likely to have already had some before they make the drive, or drink on the drive home.
casiepierce@reddit
OP, here is another example of how the drinking and driving permeates our culture. In Texas, it's the fault of dry counties for people choosing to drive drunk to the beer store in another county instead of buying enough in the first place.
badlyagingmillenial@reddit
That's not really what my comment said. My comment was about what drunk drivers will do in order to get booze.
GoldGuarantee3671@reddit
Yeap.alot of alcoholics here think they are better than junkies. Not much difference
Goombamaxy@reddit
Get over it there’s no
Aggravating_Brief337@reddit
Well I don’t know about you, but I actually stopped drinking 3 years ago and hard drugs. I have started smoking a lot of 420 And never looked back. I don’t care if it’s illegal but my art has improved a lot since dubbing in satins water!!
WiseScene1296@reddit
History is it was legal to have a drink with you until maybe 20 years ago.
conic_is_learning@reddit
As a person that moved here from DC, I can tell you that you're better off not driving here at all. There is a reason our insurance premiums are so high.
Allthough very aggressive, In DC people drive in an orderly fashion. They use right of way and order against you. Here everyone sees themselves as the exception to the rule and do horrible things out of impatience.
ILoveTravel76@reddit
I can't drive a mile from my house without (silently) telling someone to fk off here.
_DOA_@reddit
One thing I love about Chicago, NY, etc is the public transit AND the walkable neighborhoods. You see someone walking in one of those places and think nothing of it. You see someone walking in Texas and frequently think, "What happened? Hope they'll be ok..."
ILoveTravel76@reddit
I was out walking during lunch in Carrollton. I had on exercise gear and a water bottle, so I had planned this walk. Yet, a car stopped ON THE MAIN ROAD to ask if I needed a ride. (I backed away from the road when I saw them stopping.) Uh, no, I actually meant to walk. Byyyyyye. I cannot wait to leave this state.
Cansum1helpme@reddit
One of the legitimate things I miss about living in Chicago proper. Walking down to the neighborhood watering hole for some beers after work, or taking the El downtown for dinner and drinks.
Hell even if I was too shitfaced to make it up or down the stairs to the El platform, could still grab a taxi back home (this was pre-Uber).
_DOA_@reddit
I envy you for having lived there. I visit friends there when I can, and it's on the short list of places to go when I escape this state.
Cansum1helpme@reddit
Chicago is a young persons city. I was there from 2010-2011. If you can tolerate lack of parking, noise and the occasional car break in, it’s great. Maybe the occasional gunshot or two. Nightlife is fun.
Most folks hit their thirties, move to the ‘burbs and start a family.
ILoveTravel76@reddit
I avoid highways after a certain hour. I figure I have a better chance of surviving the idiots if hit at 45 mph instead of 85 mph. But usually I just stay home at night because I have no friends, I hate it here, and I'm leaving the state as some as my damn house sells sometime this decade.
Ohthatjeepguy@reddit
At 6pm on major holidays it isn’t out of the norm to see someone driving on the wrong side of the road
Dropnhook@reddit
Drive through 75 and downtown and through any town all the way up through Sherman you better keep it between the mustard and the mayonnaise because you’re getting a chance to play walk the play by multiple officers … especially on the service roads. I see this nightly, I am a local truck driver so I think they’re on it but yes people gonna drive themselves out here. I see the swerving and accidents after accidents overnight especially Thursday through Saturday
ViolaFields@reddit
DOD won't even come to your location or home or apt regardless of the crime your report. I don't k ow where they are but rarely ever see one on an actual highway .
OceanOG@reddit
Welcome to Texas
augustschild@reddit
this was exactly what i was gonna say. Have lived here all my 50-somethign years, and it has never changed. I remember cops laughing it off when they pulled off-duty cops over for speeding/erratic driving, then got to the window and realized it was a buddy of theirs from the station. (obviously bodycams were nonexistant during the times I'm remembering...late 70s, on into the 80s.)
We're never had proper "public transportation" in any city that I ever lived in, and driving drunk feels like it was normalized for the most part. I mean, people KNOW you aren't supposed to do it, but...it gets done. (college was the one exception when we had a student org that would come pick you up and take you home...or if you got lucky and knew someone and could sweet talk them, maybe to a party if the bar closed!)
cilantro88@reddit
How can you possibly know this unless you’re one of them?
grand305@reddit
Happy cake day today
cheesy-mgeezy@reddit
I was going to comment this. Should I add my dad’s mugshots from his 3-4 DWIs as a cited source? As for me, I’ll just uber.
I_Can_Barely_Move@reddit
I’ve flat out scolded other adults like they were my children for laughing about driving smashed like it was all for funsies. They seemed completely bewildered why on earth anyone could give a shit.
I guess, like OP, the “Why?” is I am not from Texas—thank fucking god.
cilantro88@reddit
I’m less concerned about that and more concerned about the fact that every fucking time there’s someone running a red light. Any time you barely made it or the light turn red on you mid intersection look at your rearview mirror and there’ll be one of these fuckers behind you. I’m more concerned about getting going when my light turns to green and running into these maniaca than driving after having a beer or two.
embeaver@reddit
I'm just waiting for my husband to get a DUI/DWI or worse....😓 In the 20 years we've been together, I can count on one hand the times he has ever called me to pick him up from a bar or stayed over with a friend because he realized he was too drunk to drive safely. There are dozens, maybe hundreds, of other times he drove intoxicated and didn't care. He recently became a volunteer firefighter in our community and has been called out to multiple drunk driving accidents and it still hasn't changed his behavior. It makes me very sad. And for those who say that I should go with him as the DD to make sure that he - and our community - are safe, a lot of this happens when I'm at work or out of town. Because yes, he's an alcoholic and thinks he can still drink like he did in college without consequences.
calm--cool@reddit
It sucks. And yes it is so normalized here. Even going out with coworkers this is the norm, which is why I have one and go home, because theyre trying to drink more even though they have an hour drive back to the suburbs.
The drinking culture is strong here, and like you said there is not widespread availability of Public transport.
xanoran84@reddit
Where I work in the design district, we're surrounded by bars and restaurants where people often go for happy hours and nights out, but the landlord has a strict policy to tow any vehicles left overnight. She claims it's to "discourage people from getting too drunk to drive home", but I think it's obvious to anyone that it just encourages people to drive drunk instead of taking an Uber.
casiepierce@reddit
OP, here is an example of why the culture around drunk driving exists. In Dallas, we have permission structures for drunk driving and make excuses. Here, it's the property owner's fault for choosing to drive to a bar after work and drink too much.
xanoran84@reddit
Well I'm not sure if the property manager herself is inclined to driving to a bar, getting drunk, and driving home...
But the property management has absolutely implemented a system that actively discourages good decision making among people that are already inclined to poor decision making (i.e. people with lowered inhibitions due to drinking)
The_Abuse_of_Words@reddit
Drinking and driving was not even illegal 30 years ago. Drunk driving yes. But I remember people driving down the highway with a beer can in their hand and just waving at cops.
casiepierce@reddit
I live in southeast Dallas and there are a collection of bars on the west side of lower WRC and two thoroughfares just to the north and south of my neighborhood that people use daily as an alternative to using the highways. During non rush-hour people speed like crazy on these roads. Just early yesterday morning there was a drunk drinking fatality- the drunk driver was fine, the family he hit and killed weren't. I've been yelling for more cops looking at those bars for years.
eeggrr1306@reddit
You know what doesn’t help this very real issue? The slap on the wrist I’ve witnessed firsthand for someone who egregiously drives drunk and has actually hurt others.
My ex wife, post divorce filing but pre divorce finalization, hit someone head on going the wrong way on I-35. Her BAC was .20 and it took them over a year to file charges and force her to get an interlock system. Another 8 months of delaying court proceedings lead to a final conviction of 18 months probation with a suspended jail sentence. She continued to drink on probation, no doubt in my mind.
I’m not asking for everyone who drives drunk to spend months in jail, that ain’t the solution. But the current consequences of driving drunk and actually hurting another human being in this area are, at least in my experience, minimal.
iamsuperflush@reddit
Why not?
eeggrr1306@reddit
Assuming you’re asking an honest question and not taking a disingenuous position, I firmly believe the modern prison system has ultimately failed in its goal of rehabilitating people.
There are better solutions out there, like funding solid public education and offering free, no-strings-attached substance abuse treatment. If we are already spending upwards of over ~$100/day per inmate housed, I’d rather see that money flowing back into communities in a way that prevents offenses to begin with. The modern prison system functions as a means of cheap labor and repressive action against the poor working class.
Our individualistic mindset in this country cannot comprehend a system where our neighbors want to help each other, or a system where the government functions as a way to collectively benefit society as a whole — instead it’s seen as a power you can wield to protect you from having to help your neighbor…. so it makes sense as to why many people think prison is the only solution. If we lock them away, out of sight and out of mind, we do not have to dive deeper into the systemic issues surrounding incarceration and our justice system.
txnewsprincess@reddit
True story: I was covering a trial for a DWI case where a family was maimed and some were killed by a drunk driver. He was wealthy enough to afford bail, so he was out on bail. He arrived late to court, in cuffs, because he had been pulled over for driving drunk on his way to court.
Sterfrydude@reddit
we live where we can walk to many places we often go. it was a priority for us. if more people prioritized that kind of thing over having 4000sq ft then maybe it wouldn’t be the issue but who knows. (and i recognize this is simplistic) i also have friends that couldn’t be bothered to walk 2 blocks vs drive so that mentality plays a big part of it.
CaughtALiteSneez@reddit
Same, one of the reasons I left.
There is no excuse in today’s age with Uber.
boomballoonmachine@reddit (OP)
Definitely agree there’s no excuse. But Uber is expensive, and people don’t want to pay $80 a week to do their drinking. Plenty of lower-middle-income alcoholics in the DC suburbs but they were on transit. Around here they’re on the road.
BeanerCounter@reddit
If you have to live here because of work, I’d recommend moving to one of the areas that’s walking distance to nightlight like Knox/henderson, bishop arts, Greenville, west village, state and Allen/uptown. My girlfriend is the same as you and we live walking distance to each other. She set her dating app range to 2 miles and I barely made the cut. We can go drinking anywhere along the Katy trail and walk home. You can date people if you live in those areas and meet up with them at a bar or restaurant close to you. If it’s late, you can have them walk you home or get a $5 uber. Just offering some solutions that worked well for my girlfriend. I’m at native Texan so it pretty common for a lot of dad’s to crack open a beer/roadie when driving. Still is fairly common in certain parts of the metroplex for the older generation. It was normalized for many of us but as an adult I’m way more careful than the generations before me. Uber, the M-Line trolley, and walking is my go-to now when drinking.
boomballoonmachine@reddit (OP)
Unfortunately I work in Arlington. Adding 45 minutes to my daily commute and $300 to my rent for a shitty new build doesn’t make much sense for me, or for a lot of people around here, frankly. I like Oak Cliff but it’s just too far.
BeanerCounter@reddit
There are plenty of options in the $1,100 to $1,200 range in those areas that are not in traditional apt complexes. You can find the on Zillow and they are privately owned homes, duplexes, or condos. But I hear ya, it is going to add some commute time for sure. I used to work in Arlington for 3 years and lived in Oak Cliff since it was easy access to I-30. It was easier to live with the commute than to live out there since the highest saturation of single people under 40 are in Dallas proper. I tried moving to the far north suburbs for a few years to be closer to my current job and it was miserable because I surrounded by mostly families and everything closed at like 6 or 10 pm. I do think the trade off of commuting is worth not having to commute for personal social interactions. In an ideal world, you wouldn’t have to make that sacrifice if Dallas had proper public transit like other major cities :(
CaughtALiteSneez@reddit
DUI’s are much more expensive…
Public transportation should be improved as well…but don’t get me started.
boomballoonmachine@reddit (OP)
Get outta here with that logic! But a gambler’s mind is hard to argue with. 100% chance of losing $80 vs 10% chance of losing $2000 does not invite rational behavior.
Pepe_Silvia@reddit
The odds that a person gets a DUI are waaaay less than 1/10 per trip.
PlasticCraken@reddit
According to ChatGPT, the average person drives drunk 80 times before getting caught. So that comes out to a 1.25% chance of getting caught.
If we math it out, $80 on Uber times 80 drunk trips is $6400, so still cheaper than a $10k DUI
tadpolebaby@reddit
AcCoRdInG tO cHaTgPt
PlasticCraken@reddit
I mean it’s pretty simple to follow up on the sources that ChatGPT is pulling from if you don’t trust the estimate for whatever reason
Gregorygraham98@reddit
The math may add up, and the sources may check out but you certainly sound like a douche nozzle. I think that’s why you got mocked
PlasticCraken@reddit
Nah I was already negative on the first comment before I added the second comment, and I’m not sure how anything in the first comment could be taken as “douche nozzle”
The second comment may have accelerated it (which I’m not really worried about), but pretty sure people just didn’t like the fact that I used ChatGPT. Which IMO is far less douchy than the comment I received mocking me for using it
Gregorygraham98@reddit
To each their own I suppose
Delicious_Hand527@reddit
IMO, your math is correct. A DUI doesn't cost $10k, more like $5k with a cheap lawyer, plea, and some fines. Of course if you are going to fight your DUI, it will be at least $10k.
PlasticCraken@reddit
Yeah there’s a lot of variables at play that I wasn’t really trying to get into. More just to throw some rough numbers at the cost/benefit analysis of drunk driving vs Ubering that would be going on in a gambler’s mind lol
throwaway_philly1@reddit
No one’s thinking that when they’re 12 deep and competing with all the other people getting surge-priced Ubers coming out of a club at 2am. Not condoning drunk driving, but if there was an easier public transit option that actually was convenient enough to get you home that wasn’t $80, we’d probably see a lot less drunk driving.
ContextWorking976@reddit
Might want to up that DUI cost estimate. A DUI, with lawyers, fines, fees will be near $10k for a first time offense.
dogepope@reddit
Try 17-20k
arlenroy@reddit
That's a good way to put it, people think they'll always win the gamble, and some do. Unfortunately, when they don't someone innocent might be killed because of it.
I think one of the reasons drinking and driving is a lot more common is the traffic laws were not that strict on it, Texas didn't have an open container law until 2001. 25 years ago seems like eons, but up until then people could drive with an open beer in their vehicle legally, which is fucking insane to think about. Texas didn't have a mandatory seatbelt law for all passengers until 2009. I'm a forced transplant, been here over 20 years now, one thing you'll see is lack of law enforcement, yes there's cops but not like other states. All those variables are a breeding ground for reckless driving, including drunk driving.
PlasticCraken@reddit
Plus urban sprawl means if you want to go out drinking, it’s almost guaranteed you’ll have to take a car to your destination.
smokybbq90@reddit
Uber isn't expensive. I'm over past White Rock Lake almost to 635 and it's a $15 ride to Bowen House in uptown.
Silent_Swim_9425@reddit
Houston here. People I know that have enough money to uber literally drive home drunk several times a week. We poors either drink at home or uber (yes, even if it’s expensive). Go figure
Salty-Photo-57@reddit
Uber is fucking expensive. That alone is a reason why people drive drunk.
okitsmelol123@reddit
Honestly, not really. It's like 20-30 bucks for a ride home. After spending $100 on drinks and food for the night, if you can't afford 20 bucks for a ride home then you shouldn't be going out. It's like if you can't afford to leave a tip don't eat out.
Also, DART isn't expensive. Leave the clubs at midnight instead of 2 am and take transit.
There's no excuse for drunk driving, ever. Especially not costs.
Salty-Photo-57@reddit
You’re talking about normal prices. You’re not including inflated prices. When the bars close, what normally cost about $20-30 would turn into 50-60 bucks for a single ride. I don’t drink that much to spend $100 a night on drinking. My bartender usually caps me around $20-25 on my tab cause I always tip over $20 dollars, but still the ride to and from still comes out to be more expensive. Which sucks
okitsmelol123@reddit
Depends how far you live I guess. Normal prices for me are 10-15. So I said 20-30 to account for inflated prices. That's what they go up to for me when I ride to work in the morning during that rush. You don't need to Uber to, just from. You can take the DART public transit system to get to your bar.
Salty-Photo-57@reddit
No inflated prices increase almost triple around certain times during high demand. For example, when the bars close and other events too. I got mad at my best friend once because she was suppose to pick me up from a concert. It was a small indie band, and she fell asleep and didn’t come get me. Paid almost $60 to get home. And it wasn’t even far.
okitsmelol123@reddit
I guess people could leave the bar an hour early instead of waiting for close if the prices are too expensive for them. Certainly seems like a more rational and sound choice than putting other people's lives at stake driving home drunk.
Salty-Photo-57@reddit
You can make all kinds of suggestions but it still doesn’t negate the fact that it’s cost more to be responsible
okitsmelol123@reddit
Nobody is forcing them to stay at the bars till close. There's other ways to be responsible. Like, not going out if the only way to get home is driving drunk. That's free.
black-empress@reddit
Going down this “do the right thing” path doesn’t solve anything, it’s just a buzzkill. It’s putting problems that could be mitigated via corporations, laws, city planning, etc onto individual people.
Yes, people need to be responsible and accountable but irresponsible people are going to do irresponsible things so what can we do to reduce impact? Lower uber prices, remove surge pricing, more accessible transit options, etc.
That way everyone can have fun and everyone can be safe too
okitsmelol123@reddit
There are surge prices because there literally aren't enough drivers to meet the demand at those hours.
DART is fairly accessible, yet people still drive drunk instead of taking it home.
At the end of the day, the responsibility falls on people, not the systems. As you said, irresponsible people are going to be irresponsible anyways. Improving the system can make things better for responsible people, but it won't stop people from driving home drunk if they're already doing that. It's never going to improve unless those people become responsible. And no, I don't have the answer on how to do that. I'm not sure anyone does.
black-empress@reddit
I think very few people maliciously make the decision to drive drunk. It’s very blind thinking to place everything on individual people, it’s why we have systems in the first place.
Why is it put on me the consumer to cover the cost of a company that can’t meet demand?
DART is not accessible otherwise it would be more widely used. It shuts down early and truly only services larger metro downtown neighborhoods. What if I want to go to Dallas nightlife but I live in Richardson? They are also actively cutting DART funding and trying to remove it entirely in some counties.
Someone said in another comment drunk driving statistic went way down after Uber came around likely because people had more options.
Salty-Photo-57@reddit
That’s another great suggestion
left_lane_camper@reddit
Wait until you see what a DUI costs.
I do agree from an epidemiological standpoint that every increase in price for safe transportation options will come with a reduction in their adoption, though. I just want people to consider the consequences more clearly.
valiantdistraction@reddit
It's interesting to me because from my perspective as a native Dallasite, drunk driving drastically decreased once Uber became available and has never gone back to the levels it used to be.
ice-eight@reddit
Drunk driving went town but driving while looking at a phone went way, way up. I'm not even sure which is worse, at least with a drunk driver, someone is driving the car.
CuriousCamels@reddit
Last study I saw had using the phone while driving responsible for more accidents, but drunk driving still leads to more fatalities. Not condoning driving drunk, but the amount of people I see driving while screwing around on their phone is wild.
Sea_Fig6765@reddit
Right. Having grown up there I saw drink driving go way down. We also have some of the toughest laws If you get caught. I do get what op is saying though. I live in Maryland now and everything is here is in literal walking distance. If not, an Uber is cheap as hell cause everything is so compact. Not that way down there.
Ok-Aardvark-6742@reddit
Means absolutely nothing when we don’t have enough cops to handle traffic enforcement. Laws and penalties aren’t a deterrent when they’re not really enforced.
Sea_Fig6765@reddit
I can't really speak for deep ellum or the rest of Dallas, but mid cities and fw cops are everywhere.
Ok-Aardvark-6742@reddit
Then you haven’t really been paying attention because Dallas Police’s staffing issues have been in the news plenty of times over the years, there was a story last month because Ken Paxton is suing the city over it.
saplinglearningsucks@reddit
Ken Paxton suing someone over something doesn't really get a lot of attention.
Ok-Aardvark-6742@reddit
Then why does it always seem to get posted on this sub? https://www.reddit.com/r/Dallas/s/5D3jXPRibG
saplinglearningsucks@reddit
It's a joke about how he constantly sues people
CknHwk@reddit
Ummm…didn’t we pass a bond a year ago to put 4,000 more cops out on the Dallas streets?
Ok-Aardvark-6742@reddit
We did. But it doesn’t mean the cops just materialize all trained and ready to go. Paxton is suing the city because the city hasn’t met hiring targets.
dogepope@reddit
Baby says we need more cops 😡
Sea_Fig6765@reddit
Again man I moved to Maryland a few years ago. I am going to check that out though, thank you
Priest_Andretti@reddit
Yeah mid cites or Arlington....They are deeeeeeep out there. You will get pulled. Dallas tho, lol at seeing cop unless you are in hood.
PlusDescription1422@reddit
This. Less cops and now more red light running. More cops. Less red light running. It is a thing. It is literally wild
Anxious-Champion-551@reddit
It’s gotten so bad. Every single time I’m out driving I see multiple people running red lights.
PlusDescription1422@reddit
Dude literally it’s 30 seconds after light has turned green, there’s 3 lanes & yet people are still running lights. wtf? Are people just addicted to their phones or what…. I have DND on mine. How hard is it to get a Bluetooth. They’re on Amazon. I saw someone driving between 2 lanes and had their phone in hand 🙄 it’s 1990
DemSumBigAssRidges@reddit
Texas has enough cops. Too fuckin many if you ask me.
noise_generator1979@reddit
I know someone in probation/probation adjacent field and it most certainly has gone down. We were just talking about this.
mathmagician9@reddit
It for sure used to be way worse. Before uber it was more like hammered driving. Relative to the past, I rarely see it these days. But then again, me and my friends live in $8 uber territory.
okitsmelol123@reddit
Except if you go to the clubs the parking lots will be full of cars, and then empty after close. Almost all of those people are driving home drunk. It's still a big problem in Dallas.
PlasticCraken@reddit
I’ve driven home at 2:15a before and being on the highway seeing drunk people get pulled over nonstop reminds me of baby turtles trying to make it to the water while the seagulls are picking them off one by one
I saw probably 10 people get pulled over in a 5 mile span of highway
Unlucky-Counter3211@reddit
Hilarious, but so true!
forbiddenfreak@reddit
I think the penalties for drinking and the presence of police to enforce it has brought down DD.
Mewni17thBestFighter@reddit
This is just based on my experience but I think it's partly a hold over of rural culture that then sets the precedent for lots of others.
When I worked in a tiny town almost literally everyone I worked with had DUIs. I worked with multiple people that had 5+ DUIs on just the past few years. There's not much else to do and people tell themselves the roads are empty. Seems like that seeps into city / not small town life too
ExplanationMajestic@reddit
Have you been in public transportation in Dallas. Safer to drive drunk than get on DART.
It's not really the BAC that is the issue, the real issue is high concentration TCH and Meth vapes.
Antoneeegggooo@reddit
Grow up. One beer is not drunk driving for a grown man.
Mikey_Plays_Drums@reddit
It’s pretty trash. Dallas is full of people who believe the world revolves around them and have zero concerns about others.
liquidnight247@reddit
I think it’s also a side product of the status symbol car - we want to drive everywhere and then the crummy access to public transport, too.
sunnedpeach@reddit
I’m ashamed to admit I enjoyed driving buzzed in my mid twenties. I always felt safe and aware enough. Then one night I was at a bar in Addison and a friend wanted to go downtown Dallas. I made the drive as usual, but while I was driving I realized I shouldn’t have been behind the wheel. That drive was far too long for my buzzed attention span. I’m married now and my husband is the driver. No matter that, I have far more sense now than I used to and I don’t do that anymore.
Optimal_Ice3312@reddit
We can't afford the Police presence you are used to. There's an incredibly low likelihood of getting caught, unless you wreck.
Dense_Sun_6119@reddit
You’re so sure this is a massive and widespread problem in Dallas because “you get the impression” and “it’s been all but confirmed by locals”? So your source is “ trust me bro”?
H0TtoG0@reddit
I feel like that’s Texas in general, drive thru beer barns and backroading are things that people haven’t batted an eye at for generations. This is 40 years old and sounds like 2026: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2xcQIoh3FQQ&pp=iggCQAE%3D
General-Carob-6087@reddit
I read this in a drunk slur in my head.
Acrobatic-Piece-1428@reddit
Fun fact. 1 in 22 doge ram 2500 drivers have dui records. Now stop and think how many ram 2500s you see in a day out here……
Fun_Departure_3013@reddit
I work nights, have a twenty mile commute and going to work on the weekends is like being in a video game
lismo@reddit
I moved away 20 years ago and am always shocked when I come back to visit. I feel like it’s worse now than it used to be? But maybe I’ve just seen more examples lately.
naking@reddit
Don't even go to Louisiana then. It's next level
Weary-Idea1677@reddit
Yes as someone from Long Island, where there is a “cop at every stop”, drinking and driving was extremely taboo. Here you go to a spot in Preston center and every person in every establishment is driving after 4-8 drinks. Only ubering that’s happening is for like a real drinking event / bday party
KinGxChut@reddit
I miss the Metro. We don’t really have that option down here because dart sucks. I don’t think folks should drive drunk though.
friskyintellect@reddit
“And that’s Dallas”.
PomeloVast@reddit
People who drink and drive don’t get punished well enough unfortunately so it’s a common thing. Don’t stay out too late during holidays and you’ll be fine
Bulbscale@reddit
My hard limit is two beers, no liquor at all, but I know a ton of people who will go well over that and still drive home. Some of them are even family, and God knows how many times I’ve had to talk to them about it, especially since they have kids. It’s scary, I don’t even drive on the holidays if I can help it.
elmaschikiluki@reddit
Having a couple' beers is considered drunk driving?
Personal_Moment2856@reddit
Since I am not a cop and therefore can’t stop everyone who looks like they’re impaired, I don’t know precisely how common it is. But ever since I moved here 20 years ago, drunk driving looks truly common, and ever since the late 2010s/the pandemic, it seems to be 24/7. Of course, people messing with their cell phones makes them just as bad. But it is really out of control, as is running red lights. Twice in the last week alone, I have CAUTIOUSLY entered intersections and had people zip through red lights without even slowing down or looking stressed. They’re either assh*les or impaired, and I think it’s both. And how many really bad accidents have I seen in which someone ran a light, t-boned another car, and totaled one or both vehicles? A friend just told me of a drunk driver hitting four parallel parked cars, including her daughter’s. I’ve been rear-ended. I drive very defensively, but it is insane now.
Still_Steph@reddit
The city makes so much money off of it, they won't do anything. They want the crashes and high alcohol consumption to keep their pockets full of money. I miss California bc it was a legal state and I personally saw less alcohol consumption with my friends once it became legal.
pwolf1771@reddit
We prefer to call it "auto pilot"
Unicorn_Wrangler5@reddit
Welcome to Texas indeed. We had open container laws for years, as long as it wasn’t the driver holding the alcohol. It’s still a joke here and by 5pm you’ll see people swerving.
Better watch out when someone says “Hold my beer”.
InternetsIsBoring@reddit
That's why I don't like going out on Fridays and Saturdays it's full of drunk amateurs
Low-Ad2426@reddit
Same, I was shocked when I moved last year
Ok-Conversation-3360@reddit
Drinking and Driving is not being newly normalized in Texas. It was kinda normal everywhere. It’s being denormalized gradually everywhere starting from the highly urbanized areas.
gr0uchyMofo@reddit
Live in Albuquerque where drinking and driving and getting a 15th DUI is a point pride and you’ll change your opinion of this place.
tender_star@reddit
It's bad here yes, it's so much worse in WI.
philiphofmoresemen@reddit
This is clearly a very mentally stable person who should be taken very seriously.
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Chill_Rob@reddit
I hate drunk drivers.
havronl@reddit
Are you kidding me -- I think your perception is totally wrong. I was recently stopped around 2am --- the cop asked where I just came from and I said -- work. He was looking for a DUI -- I was NOT drinking and so he let me go within 2 to 3 minutes. Cops are looking for DUIs.....
watchandsee13@reddit
Worse in Houston.
And agree with you that culturally, it’s a thing and it’s fucking crazy
ExpertAd4031@reddit
Girl, these ppl can’t drive sober
Silver_Cheetah_7063@reddit
I have a suggestion: bars should not have parking lots.
Ryantheragster@reddit
I have a group of coworkers that get drunk at the bar every Thursday and all drive home. People don't think it'll happen ton then until its too late.
DrHerbotico@reddit
Is it possible you're just going out more in a new place? Stats are within ~10% of each other
Principle_Dramatic@reddit
https://youtu.be/2xcQIoh3FQQ
This was in Fort Worth
omenoracle@reddit
I hate to tell you this, but there is a chart of how many drinks you can have over how much time in the license handbook for the state of Texas.
omenoracle@reddit
The idea being to educate people on how much alcohol constitutes being intoxicated. Not for drinking while driving.
suan213@reddit
I have vivid memories of being in high school and staying out until 2-3am with my girlfriend at the time then driving home after dropping her off only to be completely inundated with drivers that barely stayed on the road and would violently swerve around the lanes. I stopped going on the highway at that time and just spent the extra 20 mins going down side roads where I could more easily be aware of my surroundings.
EnvironmentalLuck515@reddit
There is a reason that Texas has the highest death rate from automobile accidents and drunk driving in the nation.
Then_Supermarket18@reddit
No public transport
ImReflexess@reddit
Once I noticed on the highways there are signs that say “Don’t drink and drive, you can’t afford it!” I knew shit was compromised.
That’s the concern? Affording it? Not the health and safety of you and innocent people around you but you have to go the money angle to guilt people? Yikes.
crazypaintinglady@reddit
Gawd not us .. I am usually the designated driver for people because I don’t drink hardly ever..
6oly9od@reddit
My first week living in dallas i went to Andrettis to meet some online friends I had made, and the number of "roadies" (road beers) I saw being handed out before everyone left was insane.
Scared-Personality28@reddit
Dallas drunk driving is as ubiquitous as the Washingtonian (let's be honest it's the Marylanders) with $13k in parking tickets, just one is way more dangerous than the other.
Itchy_Lab6034@reddit
Wait until you venture to the surrounding country. Drunk driving is a sport and people don’t even count it if it’s gravel roads
xanoran84@reddit
I grew up in Dallas and I really don't understand that mentality. People are so self-absorbed and entitled, especially when it comes to driving.
txnewsprincess@reddit
It is bad enough that the NTTA has tried numerous times to figure out a way to keep drunk people from entering the tollway going the wrong way.
AffectionateKey7126@reddit
It's because they've driven dozens or hundreds of times without an issue so they figure they're one of the good ones.
oakleafwellness@reddit
I will be completely honest I have driven drunk, buzzed when I should not have. This was well over two decades ago. I drove with an open container several times. My cousin had two DUIs before 21, I knew more people than not who had them.
What stopped me cold from doing it again. Was a co-worker lost her only daughter in a crash from a drunk driver. I also cold turkey drinking, because at 23 I realized I was an alcoholic.
I grew up driving Texas country roads, where an open beer can was rather normal. Watched family members do the same. Sadly, this is a huge cultural thing.
RECLess30@reddit
What do you consider drinking and driving? BAC of 0.081? BAC of 0.04? Blackout drunk?
Law is pretty clear, a drink or two isn't enough of an imparement to affect your driving unless those drinks are old fashions or you weigh 105lbs.
SpecialMud6084@reddit
Normalize car pooling. Also normalize sobering up before driving, if one of my friends has a couple drinks and needs to drive home we'll stay with him and extra hour or whatever he needs until he's completely fine, even if nothing's open so that means just wandering around.
Also normalize social activities that just do not revolve around drinking. Go to bars that have good mocktail menus.
Cinamunch@reddit
People here can drink! It was one of the things I was taken aback by when I first moved here.
You are right that there are a ton of folks that drink and drive. I would actually say parents whose kids play sports are some of the worst.
Icy_Goal3113@reddit
I feel like police enforcement in Dallas for traffic violations (speeding, wreckless driving, dui, etc) is pretty pathetic and likely is a contributing factor for why it seems like drunk driving is so prevalent here
v4por@reddit
I just kind of assumed it was everywhere. It does make sense DC has it a little more under control. I'm pretty sure you can walk from one side of DC to the other in the time it takes to drive from downtown to one of the suburbs.
Not making excuses. My personal rule is if I'm driving I just don't drink, or I stop drinking at least an hour before. And I never get sloshed out in public
dirtyoldmonk@reddit
Just wait till you hear the stories of the Uber drivers too who drive all the drunk people around.
shuknjive@reddit
Back in the 70's you were drunk with a BAC of 15% before you were declared drunk driving and nobody got stopped unless there was a wreck. I had a friend since college (the early 1980's), the life of the party and he has acquired 3 DWI's and totaled 4 cars, his last DWI was in 2022. On his third DWI, had a fender bender, $10,000 fine initially, knocked down to $7000, was in county for 6 months, 5 years probation, rehab, then AA every day for a year, (the legal fees and rehab fees!!) and to have a breathalyzer in his car. The day after his last mandated AA meeting, went to a bar, got drunk, failed the car's breathalyzer, it got logged and his probation officer had him picked up. That was when I was done. Served one year in prison, license revoked, and is in the hole for tens of thousands and he's now a felon. I hear he still drinks and he still drives. Hasn't gotten caught but it's just a matter of time. This is an every day occurrence in Texas, be careful out there.
NekkedMoleRat@reddit
I used to work at the Beer Barn on Walnut Hill in the late 80s. It was a drive thru beer and wine store. In addition to packaged drinks, they served beer from a iced keg in a large open cup.
All I can say was it was very popular back in the day. I don't think open container laws became a thing in Texas until 2000/01.
Kanarakettii@reddit
I have very clear memories of being a kid and my dad stopping at the beer barn out in Terrell, (which I think is still there?), and him getting a case of beer for the 45+ minute drive out east to our property.
KarmaLeon_8787@reddit
In the 80s I remember seeing a guy driving a pickup truck while watching a tiny TV perched on his dashboard and a beer in one hand. On LBJ. Less traffic back then but it was still scary to see - I had recently moved to DFW and that was rather eye-opening.
sam4gh@reddit
Hey there! I moved here from DC too six months ago and it absolutely baffles me. I’ve lost loved ones to drunk drivers so I take it very seriously.
On top of that, people drive very recklessly here on I-30 and I-35. It’s become so normalized that I worry it’s only a matter of time before something very devastating happens in our community.
With the World Cup coming up, I wonder how things will play out.
Fit_Smile1146@reddit
It is! Insane how ppl don’t care about others.
dogepope@reddit
i love the amount of bragging/humblebragging in this thread:
"well, I live in a very walkable area..."
"well, I typically tip $20 on a $25 tab..."
stay classy Dallas - oh wait
scalem0ss@reddit
Just because you’re a lightweight and medicated doesn’t mean others can’t handle a few drinks and be responsible.
Food for thought.
Emergency-Fortune824@reddit
A lot of people who have alcohol use disorder can seem completely fine and blow a 0.2.
Also if you get stopped by the police and tell them you have had only a few drinks, think about how many times they get that exact phrase and the person ends up being way above the legal limit.
Take it from somebody who has dealt with a criminal case before, that is less severity than DWI. You do not want to risk it. Even if the Uber is $100 and your car will end up getting towed if you don’t go back to get it in time, it’s still worth it compared to risking getting in trouble.
mathmagician9@reddit
That’s why you always say you’ve had none
WinifredBrooks@reddit
Is this sarcasm? No one should be knocking back a “few drinks” and getting behind the wheel.
Witty-Newt9466@reddit
“A few drinks” you’re always more drunk than you think you are. More than two and then driving is selfish, entitled, and short sighted. That is a fact not an opinion.
LittleTXBigAZ@reddit
Congratulations, you're part of the problem!
boomballoonmachine@reddit (OP)
Never said they can’t, but be so for real. I don’t hold two beers against my date who’s 6’2 and 200 lbs. Lot of dudes just like him were 4 drinks in still going with their cars parked out back. Hit dogs holler.
CTthrowaway26@reddit
I think they’re talking about the folks who’ve clearly had more than a few miller lites
Decapitat3d@reddit
The sprawl of this Metropolex and severe lack of public transportation means people are more reliant on their cars than places like DC with a multi-state metro system. If car transportation is the only method of travel you've known for the majority of your life, you're going to feel more confident using that same transportation method regardless of your impairment level.
I'm not saying it's right, in fact I stopped driving drunk because I had the realization that I was needlessly endangering other people's lives. You also have to address this with a lot of people around here who are stubbornly self-sufficient and see themselves as "above the law" when it comes to providing for themselves, while at the same time talking down to others about how "if you just follow the law, you don't have anything to be worried about." So it definitely boils down to the fact that enforcement is nonexistent since others have already established that we have pretty severe DUI laws. Fortunately or unfortunately (depending on which side of the law you find yourself), the first offense is almost always a slap on the wrist and probation. Which is fine if people actually take the arrest seriously as a major warning that their behavior needs to change. It's just the opposite if Joe-Bob, who doesn't give a fuck about his criminal record, jumps in his car to drive home every night from the bar. That dude's not going to get the picture until he's locked up and wondering why he can't make his toilet wine any faster.
mathmagician9@reddit
“Stubbornly self sufficient” is a nice way to put it lol
peacelovetacos247@reddit
Yeah it’s weird here. I’ve had people brag about/try to impress me (???) by talking about how they like to have “roadies” on the way to an event. Like casually sipping a beer etc while actively driving to a function. Not as a passenger, as the driver. That’s fucking insane and definitely had the opposite effect on me than they were hoping for. 🥴
Scoobyhitsharder@reddit
When I first moved here in 99 someone told me a joke. What does a Texan say before he’s about to get into an accident? Here, hold my beer. It’s not a joke though, it’s facts.
jarlstridr@reddit
Hot take: If you can't afford the Uber, you can't afford to go out.
Driving while intoxicated is not worth the fees, fines, court costs, time spent in jail, license revoked/suspended; and possible damages, injury or death.
The sheer selfishness, irresponsibility, self-centeredness and narcissism of people who do this is astounding.
sacandbaby@reddit
My running buddy and I used to party all night and wave to people that were driving to work the next morning and we were driving home from drinking all night. Good times.
DemSumBigAssRidges@reddit
As far as my experiences go, it's the south in general, but you will see it everywhere (you'll never convince me people in Miami or Honolulu ain't out there fucked up). It certainly happens too god damned much because it happens at all, but yeah, party holidays keep me home. Last thing I need or want is some fuckin cop thinking he has the right to poke through my shit because some dipshits thought, "new year, new me!" then went out, pounded their alcohol of choice, and decided to drive fucking anywhere.
jmster109@reddit
That’s why I try to avoid driving at night as much as I can. Too many irresponsible shit heads out there
I knew this guy that literally bragged about getting drunk driving on the wrong side of the road with one eye open. Shit pisses me off so much
subarubiddie@reddit
hard AGREE!!! i do not drive on friday and saturday nights and if i must, i am praying to jesus hahaha
berryer@reddit
another thing to add to the list: mandatory minimum parking. There is a flat-out absurd amount of available parking in the drinking districts, which was legally mandatory until 2025 despite encouraging exactly this. Now that we can replace those parking lots (meaning remaining lots can/will charge parking fees) with more housing (within walking distance!), this should make a huge dent in the problem.
boomballoonmachine@reddit (OP)
Yes! It’s one of the many costs we pay for mandatory free parking (RIP Donald Shoup, who wrote a great book about this issue).
TaylorFarmsSaladKit@reddit
The amount of work trucks I see driving home openly drinking modelos on the road
b88b15@reddit
Lol don't go to Wisconsin
Chance-Adept@reddit
They didn’t pass a law against drinking WHILE DRIVING until 1987. I remember my Dad helpfully explaining that “drunk” driving was illegal but “drinking while driving” was not.
Turns out he did both quite a bit, but that’s some context for you.
doubletwist@reddit
One of the many reasons I can't wait to leave.
AttorneyFar6359@reddit
I had the same observation when I loved to Dallas. I came from San Francisco and we took cabs or walked. When I came to Dallas everyone drank heavily and then, like normal, got in the car to go to the bar 20 minutes away. Blew my mind.
TryNotToAnyways2@reddit
The best solution is more bars in neighborhoods. We can't easily get better public transportation to everyone's house because of politics, money and sprawl. We can't really stop people from driving and we can't stop them from drinking. If we had neighborhood bars everywhere like in Chicago or Milwaukee then they would be able to walk or at least only drive about a mile. Dallas, especially the suburbs, doesn't have a good spread out distribution of bars. People in Plano go to Addison, lower Greenville or uptown - that's a lot of driving or an expensive Uber ride. We need as many bars as we have smoke shops.
good-timing-407@reddit
I’m from the rural Midwest so it’s normal to me. However, cops are way more likely to pull you over in Texas, which is nice.
Go for a walk in a park, or coffee, or some date that doesn’t involve booze for at least the first 1-3 dates. This also helps filter out the people who have issues with booze and can’t socialize without it. Once you’re ready to trust them, find a way to Uber together and get a drink, if you must.
TheGrest@reddit
Yup your first dwi in Wisconsin isn’t even a criminal offense
AnastasiaNo70@reddit
You should have been here decades ago. It felt like everyone was driving drunk all the time. As a kid in the 70s, I think it was rare that we were ever driven anywhere by an adult not drunk (dad and grandparents) or using quaaludes (mom).
Not an excuse, just a thought I had.
EpitomEngineer@reddit
Visit San Antonio
roscat_@reddit
And the speed limits are too damn high.
Upstairs_Balance_464@reddit
It’s so much better than it used to be. It’s funny you think it’s bad now.
Fastgirl600@reddit
When I first moved here in the 80s you could have a gun in your truck rear window and slip the beer between your legs while you drive
Agreeable_Meaning_96@reddit
My honest belief is 0.08 BAC is way too high to be the limit. It will take more than 1-2 to get anywhere near that BAC so you can get away with a lot
Red_RingRico@reddit
The problem is very real and certainly not at all helped by the police ignoring it, and ignoring traffic enforcement in general. I used to go to this place for a sports league, and every week dozens of people would get in their cars completely shitfaced and drive home. I called the local police department and told them about it. I told them they needed to post an officer near there for a few weeks until enough people got caught that the others stopped taking the risk. They basically responded and said no, because it would require an officer to be there late. Like, do they not have officers on duty at all times? It’s crazy to me that not even the police seem to care about drunk driving, even when alerted to a huge source.
boomballoonmachine@reddit (OP)
Don’t you know the cops are very busy harassing Latino families with expired tags? They can’t possibly have time to deal with drunk driving. 🙄
Crying_in_99Ranch@reddit
It's crazy how many drunk driving incidents there are on the DFW Scanner and how many lead to deaths of innocent people.
bebopgamer@reddit
I only drink at home, but not to avoid driving impaired, that's just a bonus. I don't know how anyone can afford to drink at a bar enough to get drunk. It's crazy to me what drinks out cost!
7oakskent@reddit
In the days before drinkholders, my dad always brought one of his favorite rocks glasses with him to test drive new cars.
Test 1 was the price. Test 2 was did it have a good place for his scotch, including not spilling on turns and bumps.
aft_punk@reddit
The corrupt, draconian liquor laws here definitely contribute to the problem.
Want a cocktail after 9, or a beer after midnight and don’t have any at home? People have to go to a bar, consume it there, and then inevitably have to get home somehow.
AND, I’m sure donations from the restaurant/bar industry have something to do with that.
SuretyBringsRuin@reddit
Just adds to the fact that we now live in a world where the self-important idiotic assholes seem to outnumber the rest of us and we all have to live with the consequences of the actions that they create.
ty944@reddit
I mean you basically outlined the entire problem. There isn’t a great nightlife that is by housing areas so people have to travel. Public transport is barely existent and Ubers are prohibitively expensive.
That being said, I find that nearly everyone I’ve gone out with tends to uber together or one person feels like being DD.
TR_Griff@reddit
“We’re gonna drink till two on Greenville Avenue, and then we’re gonna drive” (sung to the tune of Electric Avenue by Eddie Grant)
Wafflehouseofpain@reddit
Drunk driving used to be way more common. But yeah, I’ll drive if I’ve had one beer. I have a two-drink limit if I’m going out and need to drive, but I don’t really know anybody who wouldn’t drive home after one or two beers.
Perfect_Evidence@reddit
I’ve had two friends be killed here by drunk drivers, fuck them.
freemclovin@reddit
Agree with the take. It’s also multiplied by the fact that the police presence in Dallas is non-existent therefore, people know they won’t get a DUI or any trouble so they just do whatever they want. I’ve never seen a DUI checkpoint or anything like it here
Emergency-Fortune824@reddit
A lot of them also work 8 hour shifts. DWIs can sometimes take that long to process.
Caffinated_butthole@reddit
This is probably the norm in any sprawling metropolitan area with inadequate public transit, i.e. the southwest.
Inhocooks@reddit
I grew up in Cincinnati, what happens here seems about the same to me as what happened back in Ohio, at least when talking about drunk driving
istorres@reddit
U should the older guy that lives across the alley from me. I see him constantly drinking all day and drives off. I’ve seen him open his truck bed and had an ice chest full of beers. To make it even worse, the days the recycle guys come down the alley, I’ve seen that guy give them beers on the job.
parmer9wst@reddit
If its late at night, more than half of people out there are impaired. I lived in the northeast and it's the same there too so maybe your DC experience is an anomaly.
Emergency-Fortune824@reddit
I made a comment about this in another sub last night.
It’s absolutely ridiculous, I live in lower Greenville and there’s been two mornings where I’ve woken up and have seen cars damaged that were not damaged the night before. I have seen so many drunk drivers at night, it’s really scary being a pedestrian especially.
I have friends that will not spend $10 on an Uber but will get behind the wheel after spending $100 on a night out. It blows my mind.
Fucking hell, we have Waymo now, so getting a safe ride is now a fun experience, no excuses.
I used to get pretty hammered back when I was in college and it never crossed my mind to get behind the wheel and drive. If you feel the need to drink and drive, I personally believe that it’s an indicator that you might have a problem.
After having to fight a class C misdemeanor charge and how stressful that was, a fine only offense, it blows my mind that people are willing to risk a DWI. I used to have a limit of one beer if I was driving but now I won’t drive with absolutely anything in my system. Not only is it a risk to everyone else’s safety including myself, dealing with criminal charges is something that you don’t want to fuck around with.
aeroluv327@reddit
I'm not in the dating scene anymore and also won't drive myself if I've had more than one drink. But I'm continually shocked by how many people I know that will knock back drinks and then drive their kids around like it's no big deal.
weirdassmillet@reddit
We might have a teeny tiny problem with it
frenchezz@reddit
those are just some of the freedumbs we have here in texas.
bananabuckette@reddit
It’s why I’ve pretty much became sober in everything, it’s so selfish it’s like a badge of honor here. Beer and wine are both still alcohol.