The men who wore skants in season 1 might now be an important legal precedent for your right to wear them in Ohio?

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MechanicCautious6945@reddit

Ohio is also where the recent Afroman trial occurred. The judge was clearly biased against Afroman expressing his free speech rights because it offended the feelings of the cops who raided his house without cause. The judge reportedly questioned the jurors on how they came to the “wrong” verdict. That state clearly has issues with personal freedoms.

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ZappBranigan79@reddit

Yeah Ohio has turned into quite the 💩hole. Hopefully we can fix it and get enough Democrats in state legislation to fix the gerrymandered maps.

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nebelmorineko@reddit

Every now and then I encounter someone encouraging young people to move to Ohio because of the cheap cost of living. They'll point out all the cool stuff in major cities, the nature and all the advantages and the thing is...there are a lot of good things in Ohio? As in physical things. The problem is who is in charge of Ohio. That is what is keeping it undesirable. Bad government can destroy any advantage an area has, while conversely good government can take an area with little in the way of natural advantages and make it at least tolerable.

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Darmok47@reddit

A friend of mine is from Akron and went to Harvard Law, so could have done very well in SF or DC or NY. But he ended up coming back to Akron and ran for City Council and is now Mayor. So there's some people who are doing what they can.

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nebelmorineko@reddit

I'm not going to knock people who try. And the affordability isn't anything to sneeze at.

Honestly, a lot of the housing issues we have is not that we don't have houses (everywhere in the United States) but rather that the houses aren't near the jobs. That's what is hard for people to understand. When you see a 'desirable' place with high vacancy rates, it's usually summer or winter vacation homes, because there's not another economy there to support full time residents.

We've been trying to bring the houses to the jobs (with little success) but if we could bring the jobs to the low income/high vacancy housing areas that would also help, the problem is that we can't just decree that to happen. But making places into places that high income earners will want to live will attract more jobs. Companies have learned that they can't dump in-demand employees into cheaper places and have them be happy without giving them the amenities and social atmosphere they want.

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djnerdyd@reddit

Darmok and Jalad at Akron

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WySLatestWit@reddit

Any benefit you could get from moving to Ohio you could get from Michigan, and at least Michigan is TRYING to do good things.

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BeckyW77@reddit

I live just 20 miles south of the Michigan state line in Ohio. I like that Michigan is trying, but I'm old and don't want MORE winter. (If I could handle winter, Michigan and Minnesota would be choices for moving to.)

Seriously, though, the Repubs are in charge and the Ohio Democratic Party keeps putting up candidates who flop. Strickland ran for the Senate like he would win, so didn't need to try hard.

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Life_Faithlessness90@reddit

Pardon me, just wanted to see what 💩 hole looked like in italics.

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DHouf@reddit

This is it. Voters need to turn out to overturn this nonsense that makes Ohio an absolute joke.

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WySLatestWit@reddit

Ohio has always been a shit hole. That's why for a very long time Republicans could not get elected to the presidency without winning Ohio.

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Gstamsharp@reddit

Ohio has produced more astronauts than any other state, because living there is so shit that people literally flee the planet.

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conanmagnuson@reddit

Interesting. Do you have a link for that?

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KassieMac@reddit

Josh Johnson has a standup on YouTube all about it, more entertaining than a news article and you know he can’t embellish or those fragile snowflakes will sue him too 🤭 I can’t recommend him highly enough 🖖🏽

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iampatmanbeyond@reddit

Conservatives in general have a problem with personal freedom. The only freedom they seem to universally protect is bigotry

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OldMrCrunchy@reddit

Oh I’d love to know more about that. Have a link to info on the judge’s response, preferably video?

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TargetApprehensive38@reddit

They’re exaggerating a bit. That judge was an asshole and I agree clearly biased but he didn’t call it the “wrong” verdict. He was visibly displeased at the verdict and did grill the jury on what they “got hung up on” though.

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Mediocre_Daikon6935@reddit

There are very, very few men with legs nice enough that they should be exposed.

I have no opinion whatsoever on whatever weird shit Ohio might be doing.

I just strongly feel most men should keep their nasty, deformed legs hidden from the world my long lengths of fabric. I have no particular preference for how this fabric is arranged.

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Horror-Primary7739@reddit

Picard's blouse game on point too.an knew how to do causal Friday.

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ApplesBananasRhinoc@reddit

Ohio is so dumb.

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Yellowpommelo@reddit

I just finished watching the most recent season of Love is Blind which took place in Ohio. Not only is this comment absolutely true, but I am also dumb for having watched it.

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crp5591@reddit

It's the Florida of the midwest.

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SuspiciousSpecifics@reddit

To be fair, a large part of the world seems to be run by homicidal Pakleds as of late.

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ElectricPaladin@reddit

If only they were just dumb. This is evil.

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jsonitsac@reddit

It's organized evil too. They aren't coming up with these laws on their own they're copying and pasting from national dark money organizations.

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Jmazoso@reddit

Skant is just a kilt

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Lithl@reddit

A kilt is just a skirt. Kilting is just the particular method of pleating used for form a kilt. The tartan pattern is just an indication of where you're from, who you're related to, or who you serve.

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Jmazoso@reddit

Skant but you’re supposed to wear undreroos with skirts

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Lithl@reddit

You're supposed to wear underwear with kilts, too.

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Jmazoso@reddit

Not if your really Scottish

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Lithl@reddit

Yes you are.

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Jmazoso@reddit

It’s a matter of debate and personal preferenc.

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talex000@reddit

And size of your ... anatomy.

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Plastic_Candy1419@reddit

I like kilts. Wore them sometimes at school and work in the lab. I had smiles and questioning expressions but never a negative comment. You just have to wear it with confident like its normal. And i liked the breeze Freedom. But then again Europe is not as backwards and hateful as America is.

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dont_thr0w_me_away_@reddit

the tartan pattern has no relation to where you're from, who you're related to, or anything else. Specific tartans were invented as basically tourist fodder by the Victorians, and they gave clan names to the patterns. In reality, anyone could wear any pattern, and they were often (not always) woven to reflect the colours of the locality. In Scotland today, people wear whatever tartan suits their fancy. *SOME* tartans are copyrighted by the organisation that commissions their design, but most tartans (the ones with clan names) you can wear whatever you like.

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chargoggagog@reddit

Fuck republicans, they can’t tell me what I can do. I will wear a dress simply to piss them off.

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talex000@reddit

Nothing compares to the feel of fresh morning breeze on your balls.

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Mercury_Madulller@reddit

I fully enforce skirt wearing of anyone who wants to or feels the need to do so.

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Significant_Donut967@reddit

Honestly, it sounds like they've made it so I can report any and all agents of the state for wearing non-gender appropriate attire based entirely on a view from the 1800s.

Gonna have me some fun.

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jsonitsac@reddit

I'd love to see someone sue the people who sponsor bathroom bill legislation for "invasion of privacy" by using the bathroom. The point isn't to win the point is to subject these sponsors do burdensome examinations during discovery to prove to me to my satisfaction that they aren't trans.

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Significant_Donut967@reddit

Yup, and that shit should be tangled up in the courts until they overturn it.

The only reasonable actions we have left is to abuse the laws they enacted to hopefully force an overturning of these pathetic violations of our God given rights. (God in this context is the same natural God of the Constitution and not the Christian or any sects opinions).

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FaeTheWanderer@reddit

Well, as a trans woman in Ohio who's cute blouses and bras are about to be illegal to wear. I guess I'll just have to go around topless! I mean, even though my transition began over a decade ago and I have fully formed female breasts, it would be illegal for me to use a covering like a bra, or a camisole. However, since they insist I am a man, my bare chest is absolutely legal and completely appropriate in public!

That is what the law says!

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Peripateticdreamer84@reddit

The states next door are more decent. Pennsylvania has some friendly areas in Pittsburgh and Philly.

Also, on a practical note, wear sunscreen while maliciously complying with stupid laws. You don’t want to know what sunburned nipples feel like.

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Significant_Quit_674@reddit

Meanwhile I as a cis woman who is working in a blue collar job would likely also have issues because most PPE is "mens size fits all".

This is so ridiculous

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Significant_Donut967@reddit

I'm sorry for the shit you're going through. A couple of my friends from the army transitioned and they've left the state too.

I'm here shouting with yall though. You're my fellow Americans and have as much right to be as any of us.

As Guthrie said "this land was made for you and me".

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FaeTheWanderer@reddit

Thank you. I'm trying desperately to figure out how to get myself and my disabled trans wife out of here so we can live in peace!

Neither of us asked for any of this. We just want to live quiet lives and maybe open an animal rescue and rehabilitation center given our shared skill set.

I grew up on a farm, and my parents ran Warren County Wildlife Rescue back in the 90's so I grew up aying nurse to sick and injured animals. And Lupa, my wife, went to school to become a vet and worked as a horse trainer and rehabilitation expert before her degenerative spinal condition forced her to quit.

She even has videos of her walking a horse through a giant circular pool thing for physical therapy! Its kinda cool to watch!

But yeah, we are just normal women! We dont go around screaming about our pronouns or trying to convert folks (that would be horrible and give cis folks the kinds of dysphoria that we worked so hard to escape from!). This culture war crap has been so destructive to our lives, and the worst part is that there was nothing we could have done, other than continue living with crippling depression and self hatred!

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Significant_Donut967@reddit

Yeah, my friends are also both disabled veterans with myself.

That's all they wanted to, was to just live a nice quiet life outside of overland. It's not fair to yall. You're not criminals, you're not hurting people, you're just trying to live your life and not feel like shit in your own body.

I'm a proponent of gun ownership, and if you're comfortable and knowledgeable about them, I suggest looking into a simple shotgun or small rifle.

Be safe out there you two, you're valid and you're wanted in this world. Don't give up.

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FaeTheWanderer@reddit

Thanks! I dont keep guns around as before my transition i had a history of suicide attempts. My parents sent me to a gay conversion "summer camp" and my mental health spiraled horribly from the experience.

I dont know what all you have heard about conversion therapy, but as a survivor, I can tell you that it is pure torture, and I was maybe 10 when it happened!

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Significant_Donut967@reddit

I grew up Presbyterian and left for deism, my girlfriend was dating a woman when she was in Christian school, she was 15 when they tried that crap to her. When that didn't work her father kicked her out.

She's still dealing with it to this day.

Obviously, yours was far worse and that sucks. I understand your reasoning for the weapons situation, maybe someone around you that you trust can help ya find one and keep it safe for yall, just ideas.

I just want everyone to be safe.

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FaeTheWanderer@reddit

You sound like a wonderful person! I hope we all can make it though this, and all get safe. It feels like we live in an age of insanity

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Significant_Donut967@reddit

You'd be surprised what I've been called for defending our people(Americans).

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FaeTheWanderer@reddit

I can only imagine! I've recieved death threats followed by requests for nudes from some of these folks! lol

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Radioactive_Tuber57@reddit

Ha! There’ll be a weekly State Lottery for seats at the Gender Verification Stations set up outside all Women’s bathrooms. Proceeds to benefit the Legislature’s Women in Burkas Scholarship program. /s just in case

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Brief-Awareness-2415@reddit

is this a joke, are you guys legally restricted over gender clothing in the states?

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Dirt290@reddit

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Up to code with my new boots!!

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MilsYatsFeebTae@reddit

“Why aren’t these men in heels and wigs?!?”

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Significant_Donut967@reddit

"You're not judge, you're an degenerate!"

I mean, I hope the bill doesn't pass but our state has a republican controlled senate and governor. So, fight fire with fire.

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TheConvergence_@reddit

Women police officers come to mind for some reason. Hell, any woman wearing pants for that matter.

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MineNowBotBoy@reddit

Or heels. Or tights. Or honestly dresses depending on your culture.

Gendered clothing is complete nonsense.

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TheAmazingThundaCunt@reddit

Or any guy wearing pants. Remember the Romans thought pants were effeminate and real men wore togas.

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JACCO2008@reddit

Gonna have me some fun.

No you're not lol.

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thicc_stigmata@reddit (OP)

lmao, "officer, (tut tut) your boot heels are so unfashionably short"

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Possible-Praline956@reddit

Isn't that bill a violation of the First Amendment.

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SirStocksAlott@reddit

It’s wild this was posted only two days ago, I feel like this has been in my feed for a week. 😁

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AlbertaAcreageBoy@reddit

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CatLord8@reddit

(Cocks revolver)

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NoDontDoThatCanada@reddit

I have no frame of reference for this but it is fitting.

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CatLord8@reddit

Chief Wiggum’s disgusted response to the “Basic Instinct” moment from Willy. He adds something like “we warned you about that”

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TwilightReader100@reddit

I said that I thought the good Scotsmen of Ohio needed to break out their kilts. And to remember, no underwear underneath! /s

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Public-Policy24@reddit

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Ohio: Death, please

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owlpellet@reddit

My god, Ohio, you're not Indiana.

--Illinois

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rianbrolly@reddit

Context of a imaginary show and real world with completely different internal social dynamics and history as well as countless phases of human growth and psychological evolution weighed against some law in Ohio. When I see posts like this, I know exactly the kind of person the OP is.

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ElectricPaladin@reddit

What the hell do growth and evolution have to do with pants?

You know what? I don't want to know. Forget I asked.

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rianbrolly@reddit

Ya, what does change in thinking and culture have to do with pants. I wish there was a radar to detect people like you and to keep people like you away from children and innocent adults.

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gav3eb82@reddit

Allow me to say on behalf of everyone, shut your bigoted ass up. Keep conservative politicians and priests away from children, they’re the real danger.

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ElectricPaladin@reddit

"Oh no, won't somebody pleaaaaase think of the chiiiiiildren. Better legislate what people wear on their legs. Anyone who disagrees with me is a child molester."

- This Moron

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Singing_Wolf@reddit

Well, the U.S. was modeled after ancient Greek and Roman political society. Ancient Greeks and Romans thought pants were ridiculously feminine and mocked men who wore pants.

Better get out your chiton and dress like a real man.

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Major_Wobbly@reddit

?????

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Lithl@reddit

Don't worry, they're just a bigot in a Star Trek sub raging against reality.

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thicc_stigmata@reddit (OP)

It's not our fault that certain state legislators have suddenly decided to make the "gender" of clothing legally relevant

If said clothing comes from an imaginary show... suddenly the rules of that imaginary show are now legally relevant in the real world

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rianbrolly@reddit

What an odd response. Your circular logic spells massive identity issues and controlling behaviors. Listen young one, culture aids in programming idenity. Identity is shaped by culture. Completely detached cultures through out all of human history crafted their own gender concepts which interestingly enough all had a lot in common. The nature of the general perception of gender through the whole world and all cultures happened naturally. Even your arguments and disagreements are part of the nature of humanity and its growing and evolving change… but in general, using a TNG sub to draw a context between the natural growth and evolution of our people and what happened in TNG is a sandbox conversation at best and irrelevant. Have more respect for your own causes and only base things in reality without drawing logic or resources from a fantasy reality.

What is completely odd behavior, screams identity issues is when people pretend or argue that behaviors and esthetics and cosmetic applications do not have a pattern within genders and genders tied to sex. It’s such an odd form of self righteous denial. But anyways you can talk to your therapist about all this and go be angry or struggle in life whatever lol.

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DiplominusRex@reddit

The Ohio law is against adult cabaret style performances done in public.

It’s not against men wearing clothes associated with women. Most people who wear clothes in this manner, such as the crew member in the slant, are able to do so without doing an exaggerated sexualized performance.

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CableKC@reddit

Boimler wanting to wear a skant was a missed opportunities for a lower deck episode.

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Agitated_Lychee_8133@reddit

See if the first season of TNG were released today, this guy would be gay, he would speak funnily, and wear a 1996 hoodie. Is that enough? Should I keep going?

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Remarkably-Bad@reddit

Funny thing is, fans reacted and the show changed it. Modern times, they'd double down

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DataMeister1@reddit

Let's call it a tunic instead of a skant.

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FaeTheWanderer@reddit

The worst part is that the guy who helped write the bill was even open about it being written explicitly for bigoted reasons

https://thebuckeyeflame.com/2026/03/25/ohio-drag-ban-passes-house-moves-to-senate/

Josh Williams, and any other lawmakers crafting these kinds of hate bills need to be, at the very least stripped of power, but also tried for hate crimes!

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-dakpluto-@reddit

I'd love to know how they exactly plan to identify what gender a piece of clothing belongs to.

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TrexPushupBra@reddit

The rubric is simple.

If they can ruin a trans persons life with the definition that is the one they will use.

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Sturville@reddit

Sadly, it will come down to vibes and whether the person in the position to decide likes you or not.

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-dakpluto-@reddit

We all know how this is gonna go....

"Oh look, a rapper...those socks look like women's socks to me, arrest him."

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illathon@reddit

People have become so selfish. They don't care about children at all.

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thicc_stigmata@reddit (OP)

These days, "exploitation begins at home" seems like something it wouldn't even be surprising to see tweeted in earnest

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nebelmorineko@reddit

I mean why else would you have a wife and kids?

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KassieMac@reddit

No seriously. My parents had kids because remote controls weren’t invented yet 🤦🏽‍♀️

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HostileCrabPeople@reddit

Functionally, aren't kilts just man skirts? What makes it different from a woman's skirt? The law seems unclear, maybe impossible to enforce.

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Tough_Friendship9469@reddit

It makes it freely enforced under random opinions of those enforcing. Arrests and convictions can be made based on vague views and the manipulations of people driven by hate.

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Sturville@reddit

Exactly, just like Florida Rep. Kat Kammack who said that terminating her ectopic pregnancy "wasn't an abortion", even though the six week ban on the books in Florida didn't define an "abortion" and the medical parlance considered the drug she was given to terminate the pregnancy as an "abortion".

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Tough_Friendship9469@reddit

Not sure I understand the point you are making. Elaborate?

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KassieMac@reddit

Vaguely written laws get enforced based on the whims of those in power. Hypocritical & gross 🤢

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Sturville@reddit

If they don't define "abortion" or what clothing "exhibit[s] a gender identity that is different from the performer’s" then they get to decide that politicians with an [R] next to their name, or their donors, etc... can have all the "not abortions" they want and wear whatever they want; while people they don't like (or people who aid them) can be at threat of prosecution under the vaguely defined laws.

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MindlessNectarine374@reddit

Male clothing in the 12th century. Emperor Frederick I Barbarossa and his sons king Henry VI and and duke Frederick VI of Swabia.

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Lithl@reddit

A kilt is a skirt that has been kilted, a particular form of pleating.

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KassieMac@reddit

Pretty sure skants are unisex, women have been wearing them with or without leggings for decades. And if they decide that skant = cabaret, what about kilts? Recently heard John Fugelsang referring to trans women as “guys in dresses” 🤢 I’d love to see someone face a Scotsman with that line and see what happens 🤭

Just let people wear what they like and what makes them comfortable. I’m getting to the age where many items are unbearably uncomfortable to wear, and criminalizing comfort is inhumane 🖖🏽

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PizzaWhole9323@reddit

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VeneMage@reddit

It took me a double take to realise it was Skinner’s arm I could see from in front of Willie’s groin.

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That-Drink4913@reddit

Ohio is a tractor.

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mikefrombarto@reddit

Why would you insult tractor like that?

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That-Drink4913@reddit

Lil, I'm referring to the word "Ohio". IT LOOKS LIKE A TRACTOR.

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mikefrombarto@reddit

Did I fucking stutter?

Why would you insult tractors by saying Ohio looks like them?

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That-Drink4913@reddit

You seem insufferable.

Have a lovely day!

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mike_complaining@reddit

It's best to just avoid Ohio.

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Fuzzy_Builder_2153@reddit

Should've been standard uniform for Everyone and the entire ST Franchise including DS9 and Voy. And for all seasons! No one exempt from the Skant.

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RedHeadGeekGrl@reddit

Oh God, Riker needed no extra encoragment. Although his chair mounts would have been even more epic.

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jbp84@reddit

Oh man…Garak would have done some killer skant alterations

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Fuzzy_Builder_2153@reddit

No carve outs!

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thicc_stigmata@reddit (OP)

Yikes, the Year of Hell alternate timeline, in which Neelix wears a starfleet uniform, ... just got a wee bit more hellish

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mikefrombarto@reddit

I’m kind of tired of Star Trek societal norms still being considered strange and outlandish in real life.

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Dawn_Darkmoon_1524@reddit

I don’t forget them, I was so happy when I saw them in episod 1 and so sad when They never appeared again 🥲 Now seriously now what’s devastating are these laws I’m so sorry folks best wishes to you

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evie_quoi@reddit

This is the heart of the issue. There are no “boy” or “girl” clothes, just clothes.

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Fluffy-Argument@reddit

Should be illegal to cover those legs

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nhowe006@reddit

Can't you just be normal, Ohio?

Ohio: :: screams ::

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DEATHbyBOOGABOOGA@reddit

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nhowe006@reddit

"not again..."

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zer0saber@reddit

That's just regular summer weather.

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amateurviking@reddit

Wait, I, a proud Scot, can’t wear a kilt in Ohio for fear of being knocked by the coppers?

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OkieDragonSlayer@reddit

Skants.....bwaaaaaahahahahaha

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

My new favorite word!

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SuboptimalSupport@reddit

Aha, it's a trick. Much like most T-shirts worn by men, it is actually labeled "Uni-sex", so you're out of luck. No one can wear them or most clothing. Nudity is now the legal requirement.

Lwaxana is going to be visiting soon.

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ColdSmokeMike@reddit

If they're including films in their exemptions, do Rocky Horror or To Wong Foo count?

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UrguthaForka@reddit

It has a specific carve-out to say that it wouldn’t “prohibit or restrict a bona fide film, theatrical, or other artistic endeavor or performance that is not obscene or harmful to juveniles.”

Harmful to juveniles.

You mean, like guns?

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/guns-remain-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-and-teens

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BananaJelloXlii@reddit

Togas and kilts from now on then.

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GrayCalf@reddit

Ohio claims itself to be the heart of America.

Well it appears the heart is dead.

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Desperate-Pen7530@reddit

Imagine getting a role on Starteck as an extra, bragging about it to friends and family, then showing up to wardrobe,

"here put this on, it's a "skant".

The look on his face says it all

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UESPA_Sputnik@reddit

For more recent examples, check out Strange New Worlds. A few male background extras wear skants. It was especially noticeable in season 2 (for example in Subspace Rhapsody when Una and Kirk walk in the corridor)

Still waiting for Captain Pike rocking a skant. That would be glorious.

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Independent_Shoe3523@reddit

With those boots?

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SituationPlus8467@reddit

https://i.redd.it/c95m8wq3yltg1.gif

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SnooPaintings5597@reddit

Isn’t drag just a type of blackface?

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theadamabrams@reddit

I don’t personally understand the appeal of drag, as a performer or viewer, but my understanding is that the intent is extremely different.

Blackface, for example in minstrel shows, was done to mock and belittle actual black people. Drag, on the other hand, is mocking the rigid gender norms of society, not mocking people. It can also be expressing an esthetic that the performer genuinely feels comfortable in.

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Lonely_Text_9795@reddit

No

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Peloquin_qualm@reddit

I’m glad the rainbow Nazis are still focussed on this because let’s face it the outfit from season one and all the outfits that was what made the show. Fashion after all is more important than what’s going on inside a person.🖕

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_R_A_@reddit

Except... There's nothing in TNG that suggested this was a "female only" garment. It was unisex.

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Doc_Blox@reddit

Right, and if that weren't specified within the "text" (shown in an episode) that wouldn't be canon, and so it could be argued that men hadn't historically worn them, so claims to their being unisex would be tenuous by comparison. Since precedent has been established here, that weakens any potential challenge to their acceptability as a garment for males, considering the new law.

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