GDP PPP per capita in the Balkans (2000-2025)
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Posted by Shark948@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 111 comments
NoReportedTaxes@reddit
Bulgaria's and Romania's development is interesting to watch. They will probably wipe the floor with the rest in the coming decades. Especially since they don't focus on tourism.
deviendrais@reddit
In theory yes, but it’s a battle against time. The aging population and brain drain will inevitably slow the economic growth down.
WorldlinessRadiant77@reddit
Bulgaria and Romania pretty much stopped the brain drain and reversed immigration - we are both net recipients now. The birthrates are still below replacement, but not catastrophic.
The data for 2025 isn’t out just yet, but it’s likely the population grew for the first time since 1990.
The_RedfuckingHood@reddit
Any idea when it will be released?
WorldlinessRadiant77@reddit
Usually it’s in April or May.
deviendrais@reddit
Ah ok didn’t know
NoReportedTaxes@reddit
For smaller countries, thats quiet the problem. But for these two, i think it's just a communist hiccup.
Ireland still hasnt recovered from the famine, yet they are doing better than fine.
deviendrais@reddit
It’s not so much the total number of working-age people that matters but the percentage in relation to the retired population. Ireland had a positive birth rate until 20 years ago, Romania and Bulgaria haven’t had that since the fall of communism. China will soon have a very similar problem even though they have over a billion people
dwartbg9@reddit
We focus on tourism in Bulgaria, dude. A large part of our economy relies on tourism. We are still the third most visited country on the Balkans, after Greece and Croatia.
13,6 million foreign tourists in 2026. And funny enough, that's exactly with us not really trying and having almost zero advertising and propaganda. If we focused ONLY on tourism and our government finally started doing proper advertising, we will certainly overtake Croatia since the gap is now not that huge between us. We can never become like Greece, obviously, but we're very close to overtaking Croatia in numbers.
LargeFriend5861@reddit
Less than 10% of the economy. Still huge, but not something we rely on, ride or die on the way Greece and Croatia do.
dwartbg9@reddit
tihomirbz@reddit
A large part of Bulgarian economy is indeed tourism
NoReportedTaxes@reddit
Oups. didnt know that. I always thought farming was big since the whole country is covered in fields like ukraine
dwartbg9@reddit
Bulgaria is pretty mountainous, not exactly like Ukraine
This_Lion5856@reddit
Tourism is around 8% of the gdp, not some makor part but not negligible either.
As far as agriculture goes it used to be a big part in Soviet days, but nowadays services is by far the biggest part of the economy followed by industrials
Hot_Distribution_131@reddit
It's mostly summer tourism due to the black sea. But we also have nice winter places for sport.
_-Event-Horizon-_@reddit
Less than 10% as of 2025.
bingbang1223@reddit
That's not realistic based in how things are moving. It's easy to make huge leaps in gdp if you start from la low level. But as soon as you cannot grow anymore by building another road or bridge you're stuck.
_-Event-Horizon-_@reddit
Actually, construction and infrastructure have been deprioritized in Bulgaria for about a decade now. And we still have one of the highest growths in the EU.
bingbang1223@reddit
We get a good amount of FDI because we are relatively cheap for EU companies that need to manufacture stuff in the EU due to compliance reasons. We also get a ton of money shipped from people working somewhere else in the EU but sending money home, this was actually a significant gdp contributor in Romania a while back.
Long story short, it's easy to grow fast when you start with nothing. Anything you make would be a higher figure as a percentage because the gdp is small. If you have only your clothes and you build yourself a cotrage, your wealth has basically skyrocketed but when you have a villa you need to build a lot more to make a meaningful change.
MinimumArt8781@reddit
Yeah, oddly enough Romania has some wild cards in the pockets. If only Ukraine would manage to win, the region could become free&safe from Russian propaganda, war and influence.
SoulEkko@reddit
Don't forget Rosia Montana, which is universally considered the largest gold deposit in Europe. To add to that the graphite deposits at Baia de Fier, one of the few deposits around Europe (and of higher quality than the one found in Norway, foreign companies came to do tests), which can be turned into graphene, which in turn powers nowadays AI. Joining the OECD this summer. In a few years the Eurozone. Infrastructure is building up.
There's plenty of unlockables in this lootbox.
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
Ukraine will take 20 years only to be rebuilt I guess not considering how long will it take to become part of EU. Romania has not much connections with other Balkan countries except Bulgaria.
nefewel@reddit
If anything Romania got worse at tourism as time went on.
SoulEkko@reddit
Partially agreed, in the sense that our Black Sea tourism is kinda garbage, but at the same time people are visiting Transylvania quite a lot. Can't state how many times I've seen tourists around Cluj/Sibiu/Sighisoara/Brasov whenever I visit. Not to mention that when you walk through the streets of Bucharest from early spring till late autumn you hear all languages spoken by groups of tourists.
Tourism is a card that isn't a particular focus right now. Once we get our infrastructure set up we can exploit it better. Not a nice experience to make tourists waste 10+ hours to traverse the country via train or cars/bus.
Royal-Yogurtcloset57@reddit
Unless we manage to deal with our massive corruption issues, I don't see anything positive in Bulgaria's future to be honest.
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
Being 20 years in the EU as a large former communist countries were integrated well.
Substantial-One1934@reddit
И какво от това,увеличават се парите, но същевременно и поскъпва всичко и в крайна сметка, хората които работят на минимална заплата едвам оцеляват и са работещи бедни. Не е важно колко пари взимаш,а какво реално може да си купиш с тях. Реално покупателната способност намалява значително.
planins@reddit
Прочети какво означава GDP PPP
Martha_Fockers@reddit
What the fuck is this
D-dog92@reddit
Oh Serbia. Could be Poland with good weather but chooses to be Belarus instead.
True-Blacksmith4235@reddit
Damn
MrMo1@reddit
How tf do I read this graph?
Tardosaur@reddit
The dumbest way to show this data, my god
Everything on the x4 line had an increase of x4 between those 2 years. The same for other lines.
X is GPD before, Y is GPD now.
It's retarded.
HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit
also what does that 1x line even show, there's no one on it
Ciridussy@reddit
It would show stagnation. Sudan and Qatar would be just about on that 1x line. Yemen and the UAE would be close to the 0.5x line. Somalia would be at the 7x mark and Guyana at the 25x mark.
HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit
Thank you, every time I see dumbass shit graphs like this, I think I am the dumbass...
userrr3@reddit
I thought I was looking at r/dataisugly again
MinimumArt8781@reddit
And that is being in the European Union for You compared to not being. Honestly Bulgaria and Romania could have done so much better if we don't have former commies and their relatives in politics.
Speaking as a Romania the jump from before being in the EU when I was a child is just staggering. I will forever be grateful for the European Union Family and I cannot wait for the day when the entirety of the Balkans will join us.
LabAdventurous8128@reddit
Im pretty sure all of these coutries are in the same boat (maybe besides Slovenia)
StonedColdCrazy@reddit
Nope, same story, different Slavs
Lvl100Centrist@reddit
brother, we went the exact opposite way. Post WW2 we've had an extremely authoritarian nationalistic and anti-commie history, civil war, persecutions, a dictatorship initiated on purging ANYONE left of center (not just communists) from our political, social and personal lives. This went on for decades.
You have arguably surpassed us economically and perhaps culturally. Do you really think we are less corrupt than you?
MinimumArt8781@reddit
No I don't think that your politicians are less corupt, I know that one of our Chief investigators uncovered corruption in Greece just a few days ago. But communism left us some scars, they destroyed our heritage, historical buildings, artefacts, our cities. They spread their ideological hideous disease like a pest. Whatever they created they made sure to make it ugly, practical but ugly, they gave us a system that is based on „heritage power” within those that already were ruling and politicians today seem to promote their children within just like their former. You also had a dictatorship, at least your dictators didn't ruin the beauty of the country and turned it gray, dark, ugly with no future and no hope.
Lvl100Centrist@reddit
Oh I know about Queen Kovesi. I would vote for her to be our next PM.
I think a lot of countries had major cultural shifts in the last century and its not about capitalism or communism. Again, we had everything go in the complete opposition direction as yours and you came ahead.
Your country has future and hope. Don't judge Greece by the tourist island posters. The cities are extremely ugly, chaotically built, collapsing buildings, no pavements, garbage and shit everwhere. The nature in Greece is beautiful but after 70+ years of being a proud member of the West and purging communists we ended up with insanely ugly metropolitan centers.
thestoicnutcracker@reddit
I can only agree that the two biggest cities have congregated the majority of the population... And that Kovesi is needed not just for this government to be overthrown, but for all of the political system as it is to be overthrown. Because let's not pretend it's not all parties that have the same type of ambitions. The previous 51 years show this clearly.
But come on... Athens in multiple parts isn't ugly to begin with. Most of it is just average. It has too many good areas, and in those too many people live in order to say it's a privilege to live there. Also: it's not chaotically built. The city's got a pretty clear-cut grid structure, that its directions just change due to the geomorphology of the city, as it's not a uniform plain surrounded by mountains. But it's pretty much rectangular city blocks almost everywhere you look at it. And the density of greenery becomes a lot more prominent in the northern, the southern and eastern suburbs.
Garbage? Yeah, that literally was an issue before 2014. It wasn't an issue for Athens. Today all municipalities gather up the garbage daily. What happens throughout the day is a completely different issue, especially when it comes to the centre.
Pavements are really varied. It's not even that Athens has complete lack of them. Far from it.
For the Balkans: Bulgaria and Romania are where they are now because they followed a path different from that of communism, on which regime they were, and Romania was under a hardline communist regime at that. They have all the right to be happy, because their standard of living has improved immensely.
Korin23@reddit
This is the best explanation of our situation that i have ever seen.
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
There is not much prospect for Serbia, BiH od Kosovo and MK to become part of EU. Probably only Montenegro soon and Albania in the next 5 years. But those two do good because of sea connections and tourism and Albania actually boomed a lot.
NoReportedTaxes@reddit
Macedonia was robbed of the EU title. We also had that sick Promo "The sun is a star too" in 2016. We got blocked though and now Albania got decoupled from us. Bulgaria's Veto has now stopped us completely. I don't know how to feel about it. We did agree to their demands. I don't get why we don't follow through though.
It feels like politicians are buying time to avoid EU corruption management.
maximhar@reddit
There is no Bulgarian veto, it was removed a few years ago. You agreed to amend your constitution and then reneged on that.
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
Because governments changed and MK as a disfunctional country will stay out until it fulfills criteria. Otherwise it will be a trojan horse inside EU as EU is aware of this.
Special-Transition77@reddit
How long have you not had a stable government?
How's the 8th parliamentary election in Bulgaria since April 2021 going?
The hypocrisy of calling of other countries dysfunctional lol
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
MK is a backward country. Even Albania has progressed.
And without "stable" government all the progress has already been made.
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
There is no veto currently. I see the propaganda in MK is as high as mount Everest. Is agreed by the EU council conditionally.
NoReportedTaxes@reddit
I dont relate but this is quiet emotional for many macedonians. They already had to go that far for the name change and now that. Some demands are reasonable some less.
I think the politicians saw that and thought: "I can milk that"
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
Nothing is not reasonable. Mk is only a candidate country and there are agreements and framework in place. I see you don't really understand what you know or don't.
NoReportedTaxes@reddit
"Bulgaria wasn't a fascist occupier in WW2" is one demand. Does that sound reasonable, smart ass?
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
European union is not designed as a backward countries like Albania or N.Macedonia. It's a country with low IQ
NoReportedTaxes@reddit
Hahaha. Got you good. Got butthurt didn't you?
How about you dont reply if you dont know what you are talking about?
Special-Transition77@reddit
When Bulgarians have a superiority complex like this fella you know the world is cooked.
Someone should try to tell him how 'Bulgarian' is synonymous with 'Criminal' in Western Europe
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
There are no such demands or any kind of those issues persist. Gotse Delchev was Bulgarian by nationality as a main hero of present day MK
MinimumArt8781@reddit
Getting rid of country Veto's is crucial for the future of the EU. I'm getting tired of countries like Hungary & Slovakia and others blocking us every time. A majority vote of countries in the EU for important matters should be implemented.
Popular_Cap8269@reddit
Could you provide some examples?
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
Skopje won't become part of EU as it follows Serbia and it's anti EU government there. it has to fulfill all demands but this is different issue.
However yea the GDP per capita will make both Bulgaria and Romania very prosperous in near future, while the benefits for ordinary people is seen for long time now
MinimumArt8781@reddit
I want everyone to get rid of petty differences and understand that our fight for the future together will be much better than our future fighting for the past.
MaxSch@reddit
As a fellow Bulgarian I absolutely agree with this. Corruption and general negligence are a huge issue and we'd be doing so much better if it werent for those.
SoulEkko@reddit
Is it just me that reads the 6x as sex?
Cause that growth is porn.
I'll show myself out.
spumespeologul@reddit
Gdp dont mean shit for qol, retart
Dacus_Ebrius@reddit
Ah yes we were so much better off in the 90's or 80's, retard.
New-Ranger-8960@reddit
I remember when Bulgarians and Romanians were coming to Greece, and now Greeks are going to Bulgaria and Romania. Just tells you how shitty our governments have been for the past decades.
SoulEkko@reddit
Greece is bouncing back, your GDP has reached 300 billion this year, while indeed it was an economic hardship for well over a decade, I think you'll fare much better this time around and just keep steady growth. Romania+Bulgaria+Greece GDP will be around a trillion soon (we're around 900 billion now), so this will reinforce the region economically. All we need is more infrastructure connections to develop trade and tourism between ourselves.
dobik@reddit
You don't want to develop tourism if you want your economy to develop. Tourism is the lowest added value sector in economy. Often countries relaying on tourism too much, never get away from the middle income trap.
SoulEkko@reddit
Romania's tourism is \~5% of GDP, I think we're good. Tourism isn't our forte anyway, my point was about strengthening the collaboration between countries, especially considering that trade between Greece and Romania is estimated at around 1.7 billion, which is a pretty laughable amount considering the economies that both countries have in the region.
Romania trades more with Moldova (2+ bilion, which is 10% of Moldova's entire GDP), for the sake of comparison.
SoulEkko@reddit
There's a difference between developing tourism and relying on tourism. Having a more developed tourism sector that weighs in 5% of GDP (which is Romania's case at the moment) is better than having an underdeveloped one weighing 2% of GDP.
Romania has a shitload of industry and services, we build trains, ships, cars, aircraft/helis/drones, plenty of agricultural lands, IT alone is 7% of GDP (around 25 billion euro). Yes, it's not at the rate or volume of western countries, but it's not like we're the Maldives either, we're the 6th most populous country in the EU.
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
The poorest countries have catched Greece 😃
HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit
You are welcome to visit Bulgaria to see just how "poor" we are
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
It's a joke of course it's not like Poland but the progress to get to the level of Greece which is not yet, but close is for congrats.
HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit
You need to come more! We have a brand new border passage between Xanthi and Smolyan, and mostly Bulgarians are coming there to shop. Greeks are fewer, mainly coming to buy cigarettes
mikewazoski59@reddit
Make me smile for once greece
KPlusGauda@reddit
It might be far from ideal but it's probably one of the most beautiful, history-rich places on Earth.
mikewazoski59@reddit
You are truly far from it
KPlusGauda@reddit
Croatia, my man.
In all seriousness, I understand your pain. But I visited Greece quite a few times and for tourism it's almost perfect.
Happy-Hour88@reddit
Sri Lanka is also perfect for tourism but living there isn't like visiting.
thestoicnutcracker@reddit
Yeah, you cannot possibly compare Greece to Sri Lanka through indirect "gotcha" moments.
mikewazoski59@reddit
Alright, that might apply to you, but don't lecture me about my own country
KPlusGauda@reddit
I tried to be nice, you little 🐝
NoReportedTaxes@reddit
This thread was hilarious to read, hahaha
geoponos@reddit
It's not beautiful or has a rich history?
The /r/Greece echo chamber is ruining you.
mikewazoski59@reddit
Τι να κάνω, αυτός ο γάιδαρος από την Αδριατική προσπαθεί να με παρηγορήσει κιόλας
PieBright8211@reddit
I agree wholeheartedly with my Greek brother's opinions on the Croat
KPlusGauda@reddit
Now that's not nice
PieBright8211@reddit
Why, you little...🫏
HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit
I spent some money in Xanthi yesterday, hope that helps
Lorumba@reddit
You are not in turkey
Other-Technology2064@reddit
Excellent chart. Eye opener that PPP wise Romania is ahead of Greece. Where is it from? I'd like to have a look at market price one too.
Exotic_Cantaloupe_96@reddit
Romania was just unfortunate that ww2 played out really bad for them. Everyone attacked them and then joined axis only by nessecity to defend and recover lost land (like finland). They switched to Allies but were eventually occupied by soviet union. It is quite a frustrating story. Now without being threatened and without communism they are returning to what they were, a considerable regional power.
JazzlikeAsk8039@reddit
greece has higher gdp per capita than romania and Croatia, I guess that's PPP? because there's no such thing as PPP per capita
TheRealPizvo@reddit
Of course there is. PPP per capita is a statistic collected by Eurostat and is actually a better stat than nominal GDP because it includes differences in currency, inflation and gives you a closer estimate of the average purchasing power in a country. It's not "how much money do we make in total" but "what can the money we make in total actually buy in a domestic market".
JazzlikeAsk8039@reddit
it doesn't really matter because most of the countries that are above (Croatia greece slovenia) are really all garbage versus trash in the end
Pineloko@reddit
What's your problem?
JazzlikeAsk8039@reddit
I dont have a problem im just saying since I've been in all these three countries. Stats are nice and ppl tend to even jerk off on them when their countries are high or low but all these three countries are literally the same thing. It's why I say trash vs garbage bcs they are all balkan countries with literally the same advancement
JazzlikeAsk8039@reddit
But on the other hand what's the point, we are literally comparing shit to poop in all these graphs
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
Bulgaria and Romania profited the most. it's a fact as before 20 years the GDP was almost the same as some western Balkan countries.
jajebivjetar@reddit
Croatia is growing mostly after Corona. Before that. There was a recession for 10 years. We had problems with a large deficit and growing state debt, which is what Romania is having a problem with now.
MrNotAFed@reddit
The 1x line makes no sense
Cristopia@reddit
its just like how much each dollar is worth relative to what its worth in the US which is the reference country. In Romania for example you can buy much more than in the US for one dollar, whereas in Greece you can buy more than in the US but not by as much.
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
This the PPP
Liverlakefc@reddit
Damn did not know bosnia was doing that bad
MainSeaworthiness115@reddit
The growth rate is massive though, so there’s hope.
Suitable-Basket6697@reddit
Massive war in the 90s, half the population in diaspora, somewhat stable but bad and corrupt political system and leadership. From that perspective were doing okay i think
Antique_Birthday6380@reddit
Again, not accurate statistics as always…
mne1237@reddit
Sid not know Romania stepped rheir game up big time.
Props