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Does premium fuel actually make a difference in cars that don’t specifically require it, or is it marketing hype?

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Rough_Cancel7265@reddit

If the car isn't designed for higher octane, it's wasting money. If premium is recommended, higher octane will help
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SavageObjector@reddit

Pretty much this. And it can be surprising. My f150 absolutely runs on 87 and it is ok per the manual. However the manual also recommends 93 and it does run better. Also, some cars require 93, so RTM.
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ScaryfatkidGT@reddit

Ecoboost?
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SavageObjector@reddit

I have the 5.0. 93 is recommended given it is running 12.0:1 compression.
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f700es@reddit

93 will help
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Junkhead187@reddit

Mazda CX-5 Turbo here. 227hp 310ft/lbs on 87, 256hp 320ft/lbs on 93. Gains are mostly above 4k rpm, but it is noticeable. But for most cars, if it doesn't require 93, it's a waste of money.
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Sideburn_Cookie_Man@reddit

It might be wasting money, it might not. Premium fuel has a lot more detergents in it, that’s a great thing over time.
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DeltaAlphaGulf@reddit

Just stick with Top Tier gas stations and you should be good as far as the detergents and stuff.
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Sideburn_Cookie_Man@reddit

Yeah that applies in yank land, but not elsewhere
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AwarenessGreat282@reddit

But are those detergents worth the extra cost? Usually not. Adding a whole bottle of fuel additive every tank is cheaper than paying the higher price.
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Sideburn_Cookie_Man@reddit

It’s definitely good to have running through every tank, especially if you drive something prone to sludging or carbon buildup. Especially important today as so many new cars are direct injected too.
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AwarenessGreat282@reddit

Aaah, but like I said, you can get better additives cheaper than premium fuel, so again, what's the point?
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Sideburn_Cookie_Man@reddit

As always, convenience.
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FLOHTX@reddit

Yeah but do those other places even matter? /s
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AwarenessGreat282@reddit

Premium does not mean more detergents or anything like that. You could get Top-Tier 87 that has better additives than some 93 grade gas.
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Sideburn_Cookie_Man@reddit

Maybe not in yank land, but in other places it can.
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gstringstrangler@reddit

Higher octane will *not damage your engine like regular will*
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nharmsen@reddit

Depending on the vehicle. Most (modern) vehicles can sense the knock and will tune the horsepower down to keep the engine from knocking. Also most 91 or 93 octane fuel comes with some additives that can help (marginally) clean/protect the engine. Possibly get slightly better MPG (most of this doesn't equate to the cost and you'll spend more in the long run anyways). long story short, if your car doesn't require it, you don't need it (with few exceptions, like trucks towing close to their max weight).
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Citycrossed@reddit

In the US, all gasoline contains a minimum amount of detergent (required by the clean air act and called LAC - Lowest Allowable Concentration). Some fuel companies add in more additive with premium gas (Shell does this for example). And, of course, there is Top Tier fuel that contains about double the LAC level of detergent.
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WhichAd366@reddit

Marketing hype? When have you seen this notion marketed? Car manuals will literally tell you which octane should be used; I’ve not once seen one say “but use this fuel for better performance” unless it is already the recommended octane that the engine was designed to use. Do you mean hype from your friends or something?
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jsaranczak@reddit

This. I've never once seen it marketed to economy cars lol. It's usually idiot people thinking they're sharing some knowledge.
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ScaryfatkidGT@reddit

It can and it can’t Most people will miss this but if you read the manual of most modern cars that don’t require premium will say you can use it to help when fully loaded or towing, so they can advance the timing to gain more power slightly… not worth it tho for normal commuting
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StJe1637@reddit

It will be slightly more fuel efficient. If you do own a car that REQUIRES premium fuel (and these do exist) you will literally blow the car up and ruin the engine if you don't put it in though. So don't confuse the two.
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-Certified-@reddit

Moost modern engines will benefit as it has extra cleaning additives, burns hotter and reduces knock so the ECU shouldn't pull back as much. I would tell anyone who can afford it use it as it just keeps your engine cleaner and running better.
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Personal_Chicken_598@reddit

So it’s been shown to make a slight difference but not enough to justify the cost difference
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cormack_gv@reddit

Doesn't help to go higher than what the car is designed for. But in a flex fuel vehicle you may get higher performance or mileage -- only if it is designed to take advantage of higher octane.
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BondGoldBond007@reddit

It's not a marketing hype - high compression engines need it to prevent detonation. Some engines require it. Others don't.
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Chainsawsas70@reddit

The quality of the fuel is usually the most important thing, A good detergent fuel will be the most important thing for longevity Unless your vehicle specifically calls for the higher octane rating.
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carpet_whisper@reddit

The truth is, most people (and even some car guys) have no idea what octane is or how it works. To put it as simple as possible, ‘Premium’ fuel with its higher octane of 91, 93 or 94 typically. The higher the octane, the more resistant the fuel is to combustion. When an engine is designed, the manufacturer will recommend the octane to be used based on the engines combustion cycle timing & compression ratio. It’s recommended because if you don’t follow it (too much or too little Octane) can cause premature or late fuel ignition which can cause a ‘knock’ which can rob power, cause damage, carbon buildup & overheating. The good news, is that we live in the modern age where virtually all new cars past the mid 90’s started coming with ‘Knock Sensors’ as standard. So the ECU can detect in real time & adjust timing to make pretty much every car run well enough.
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VW-MB-AMC@reddit

No. In most cases it is a waste of money. If the car will be parked for long periods it could be beneficial, as the ethanol free premium gas stores better than the ethanol laden gas. But if you drive frequently it will not be a problem.
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Sunburst34@reddit

Premium fuel has no benefit if your car isn’t designed for it. All that a “premium” (higher octane rating) fuel does is allow for higher cylinder pressures before the fuel self-ignites. Self-ignition is also known as detonation or knock, and it’s bad. It will destroy an engine over time. Higher performance cars want those higher cylinder pressures to generate more power, so they are designed for higher cylinder pressures and require premium fuel. Engines that are designed to operate at lower cylinder pressures don’t need the higher octane fuel—they won’t suffer detonation even with regular grade. In those engines, filling up with higher octane fuel than is required doesn’t provide any benefit. It just wastes money.
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Sideburn_Cookie_Man@reddit

No benefit isn’t really true. The additional detergents are a benefit.
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Sunburst34@reddit

Not true. The detergent additive levels in gasoline are regulated by the EPA’s Top Tier standard, and that standard applies regardless of octane grade. If a station sells Top Tier fuel, all grades — regular, mid-grade, and premium — contain the same enhanced detergent package. The main difference between regular and premium is octane rating (87 vs. 91-93), which determines resistance to pre-ignition (knock). Higher octane doesn’t clean better; it just burns more controllably under high compression or boost. That said, some brands do add slightly different additive packages to their premium grades as a marketing differentiator, but it’s not a universal or meaningful distinction. If clean injectors and valves are your goal, buying Top Tier fuel in any grade is more impactful than paying for premium in a non-Top Tier brand.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​
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Sideburn_Cookie_Man@reddit

Maybe where you’re from, but we’re not all yanks mate. Here in Aus, higher grade fuels all have higher detergent levels than cheaper grades.
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Sunburst34@reddit

Ok fair enough. My comment applies to USA only.
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Obvious-External-328@reddit

Yes and no. No, because if your engine is designed for a certain octane higher octane isn't gonna make an additional power. Yes, because premium fuel sometimes come without ethanol, in which case higher octane without 10%-15% ethanol is better than a lower octane with 10%-15% ethanol. Additional boost would be due to fuel being pure, not because high octane.
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Sideburn_Cookie_Man@reddit

That’s forgetting the increase in detergents in higher grade fuels as well though.
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rochford77@reddit

Premium prevents pre ignition. Nothing more.
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Brilliant-Onion2129@reddit

I burn premium E0 in everything!
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AbruptMango@reddit

I didn't realize they marketed it that way. But no, it doesn't help when it isn't called for.
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Odd_Mortgage_9108@reddit

In my experience, putting premium fuel into a car that doesn't strictly require it actually increases fuel consumption because the car automatically detects what kind of fuel you have in there, and then it simply improves certain behaviors, such as acceleration, but it certainly doesn't improve the overall efficiency. I used to buy premium fuel for years, but now I buy the cheaper ride because I can travel further.
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420hashmore@reddit

No, also it’s no so much marketing since I don’t really see any marketing toward regular people. It’s more hearsay by the uniformed. Generally premium fuel is so that cars can safely run higher compression ect
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neddiddley@reddit

People fall into the “the higher the number/cost, the better it is” mindset. And this mindset is only amplified when names like Premium get applied. It’s true in some cases, just not when it comes to gas.
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Lobster70@reddit

Putting 92 octane "premium" gasoline in a vehicle with an engine designed to use 87 octane "regular" and expecting significantly better performance is like buying your shoes two sizes too large and expecting to run faster.
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autofan06@reddit

For a non turbo car tuned for regular it won’t do anything. For most modern turbo cars that claim regular is fine you will get a decent bump in hp and mpg.
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Nervous_Olive_5754@reddit

Carbeurated engines could run slightly rich. Most modern fuel injected engines would just silently waste your money.
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Professor_Iron@reddit

Depends on your location. In most of Europe premium fuel is just a marketing gimmick. In the US there are many different petrol standards, but the short answer: generally premium is not something your engine really requires. In places like Africa or Australia that lack their own refining industry premium is often a must in modern engines. These places are dependant on fuel imported through long supply chains from other continents, thus the stabilizers and additives used in premium formulas can significantly reduce the risk of damage to your engine.
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Munster19@reddit

Like with most things in life, "It depends" is the answer. Speaking to the opposite for a moment, cars that want premium but get regular, there is literally nothing that would go wrong in the short term, but long term there could be additional carbon buildup. As for the question, there is a difference but it's very small, mostly beneficial for towing and/or cars with turbos, as premium fuel can get you a little more hp, but only a little. All cars produced this century are able to self regulate several variables to achieve clean burning of fuel and prevent or limit damage to itself, such fuel injection rate and quantity or balancing air/fuel mix ratio by adjusting intake and exhaust valves. It tries to burn fuel as efficiently as possible, and includes data from sampling exhaust gases at several points to make sure it's running clean.
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TellemTom@reddit

You only need high octane if you’re engine has a higher compression ratio. If your cars calls for 87 octane than anything higher is pointless.
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FourCats44@reddit

In terms of octane - not really any difference. Your engine is tuned to run on. A particular octane and with limited exception can't tell the difference between low and high quality stuff. There's maybe some small benefit to some of the additives in diesels but nowhere near enough to make it worth the extra cost.
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