The flight deck of the Airbus A380
Posted by Twitter_2006@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 100 comments
Posted by Twitter_2006@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 100 comments
Dear-Regret-9476@reddit
Interesting that this photo is 21 years old, but this is still cutting edge technology in plane cockpits
F1shermanIvan@reddit
It’s cutting edge in airliners, because they’re certified differently and have other things to consider (fleet commonality, things like that) but by no means is this even close to cutting edge in aviation now. Go look at a G750 cockpit or something like that. They’re way more advanced than this. HUDs, IR cameras, etc…
Kardinal@reddit
Thanks for this breadcrumb.
The G700 cockpit almost has the same polish and finish as a modern luxury car interior. It doesn't just look state-of-the-art, it's actually aesthetically beautiful and has a lot of cool factor.
CroissantEtrange@reddit
They should have followed modern car designs, and replaced everything with one big touchscreen /s
Aconite_72@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/cbicqv/f35_cockpit/
Vamp1r1c_Om3n@reddit
Always wondered how pilots felt about this massive change over the F18 or F16 cockpits
lordtema@reddit
A Norwegian test pilot who went from the F-16 to the F-35 described flying the F-16 as similar to writing an essay by hand, while driving at 100 kph and said that the F-35 makes everything so much easier due to it`s sensor fusion.
bruhmate0011@reddit
If it works dont fix it
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-Owlette-@reddit
Kinda fitting since this particular plane (F-WWOW) is still being used by Airbus to this day as a test bed for new technology.
Quiet_Finger_6223@reddit
I’m not a pilot but this must be one of the sexiest looking workspaces I’ve ever seen.
Slice5755@reddit
I've got a question to pilots. For a cockpit like this A380 one, how the fuck do you remember what all the buttons do and what each random symbol that may pop up on one of those screens mean?
Lawsoffire@reddit
Type rating gets you through everything needed but also a lot of the buttons seen in the picture is just the keyboard for the MCDU. Which is where you program things like the route, fuel, weight, takeoff and things like that. And its doubled on both sides. So is less "this button does X thing on the aircraft" and instead is just a keyboard and a numpad and some buttons that changes what screen it is.
Then the radio below that, and a few buttons there, but most of the "real" buttons are overhead, but they just follow a "if the light is off, its working as intended" philosophy.
thesuperunknown@reddit
The PC-style keyboard is also for interacting with the FMGS (Flight Management and Guidance System), just like the MCDU keyboard.
22Planeguy@reddit
Honestly, once you spend a lot of time in jets, all the controls and switches mostly just make sense. They all have labels and are in logical spots, generally next to switches that do similar or related things. Like for example, the left engine bleed air switch is to the left of the right engine bleed air switch and right below the air conditioning switches that run off of the bleed air system.
The cockpit designers of modern jets spend a huge amount of effort making very specific choices to make these cockpits as intuitive and functional as possible. Things like how pretty much every knob is shaped differently so you don't spin the wrong one accidentally, or that switches that have safety implications all require compound movements to actuate. 'Off' is down or towards the back and 'on' is up or forward as a rule.
fr_hairycake_lynam@reddit
Switches are like underpants, when they're up they're on!
Galf2@reddit
it's honestly pretty easy. I fly a lot of airbus in MSFS and I can tell you what everything does in this picture easily, it's all very well laid out, well described and well placed.
walex19@reddit
Was gona say this. I fly airbus a lot in MSFS and I’ve actually had conversations with pilots when I get to go in the cockpits after real flights and they’ve been impressed lol
NoTap8889@reddit
Type ratings xd they make absolutely sure you know them
datnt84@reddit
a) It is your job to know this. b) They are not randomly placed but in logical groups c) They are labelled d) There is a nice manual just in case something malfunctions
bluegrm@reddit
This video shows the flight deck at night, with take off from 4:30 onwards.
https://youtu.be/yY729woUs3g
Twitter_2006@reddit (OP)
Thank you for sharing this,
Imaginary_Grade_1716@reddit
Even pilots get a buff wow
Toc-H-Lamp@reddit
Do you get certified separately for left and right seat?
abfgern_@reddit
Dumb question but what if you are right/left handed and in the opposite seat? Do you have to fly the plane joystick with your weaker hand?
tracernz@reddit
Out of order ISIS 2.
Geek_Wandering@reddit
Them controls are no yoke.
w_a_w@reddit
Is the flight deck any relation to the poop deck?
WildKakahuette@reddit
Geek_Wandering@reddit
Lump001@reddit
Appreciate you
Geek_Wandering@reddit
It ain't Reddit without bad wordplay.
DonNadie2468@reddit
Someone else asked a related but different question...
Most people are right-handed. The captain is in some sense the most "important" of the two pilots. So wouldn't it make more sense for the captain's joystick to be to his/her right?
And even if it's not a big deal, why couldn't the designers just have kept the joystick on the same side (relative to the pilots) for both pilots rather than having a mirror image?
Finally, is there a more "grown up" word than "joystick" that is used in this context?
juusohd@reddit
They are called sidesticks altho everyone seems to say joystick.
Flying with you non-dominant hand is easy. A couple sim sessions do it fine.
crucible@reddit
Why have the put a keyboard on the tray?
That’s where you put your plate of steak and frites!
hegroj@reddit
How does it feel to hold the stick on the left while being right-handed?
walex19@reddit
I got used to this real quick even on MSFS! Thought it would be impossible but now it’s like second nature lol
Alexthelightnerd@reddit
Manual flying is a both hands and both feet kind of thing, so it ultimately doesn't really matter what hand is dominant, they'll both be doing something. It takes a moment to mode switch when you fly something that's reversed or sit in the other seat, but that's about it.
fly-guy@reddit
No huge issue. You get used to it rather quickly.
hegroj@reddit
Pass the stickie on the left hand side
radioactivenerd@reddit
What are the big colourless bulges on either side of the thrust controllers, below the keyboard things?
RapidCyclist@reddit
It's basically a mouse with a track pad at the front (the side facing away from the camera).
The bulge is meant for the palm of your hand to rest upon and then you can use the track pad with your index finger.
With this, you can manipulate a cursor on the screen in front of the "mouse" and also use keys to switch to different screens, for example the ND in order to select a taxiway at your destination for the BTV (brake to vacate) function of the A380, so it will decelerate the aircraft for you to conveniently exit at this taxiway with a speed of approximately 10 kts.
radioactivenerd@reddit
Wow I had no idea brake to vacate existed.
Thanks for the detail
walex19@reddit
Yep. The 350 has it too. I use it on MSFS as well lol
ComfortFun6426@reddit
It is meant to give your hand a firm position, when there is turbulence around , You press your palm against the bulb and manipulate the buttons with your fingers.
TheEpic34@reddit
It's a mouse
Quality_Cabbage@reddit
They're the keyboard and cursor controllers. They have a trackball behind them and a button on the outside, both not visible in this picture.
travelking_brand@reddit
I just realized that the pilots need to be able to use the joystick with both their left and right hands.
ShaemusOdonnelly@reddit
Kind of, but not really. When you start flight training, you will be flying with the stick/yoke in your left hand, because students are usually seated on the left in those small airplanes. Then, once you are fully licensed and start type rating for an airline cockpit, you switch to the right seat, flying with your left hand. But you will stay there for multiple years until you upgrade to Captain, which will then transfer you to the left seat and you will stay there as well. Pilots don't switch seats, unless there are any special conditions (Instructors, Relief Pilots on long haul etc.) and even then you get special training for this.
But it really isn't that akward. It's not like trying to brush your teeth with your non dominant hand. Its like driving your car with your right hand on the gear lever and the left hand steering the car - people seem to not have any problem doing that either, right?
travelking_brand@reddit
Thanks for the info! I am bidextrous when it comes to a lot of things so not a problem for me i would guess.
Logical_Ad_2758@reddit
Honestly nothing beats the airbus flight deck layout tbh. having an actual pull-out tray table to eat your crew meal instead of awkwardly balancing it around a yoke is peak luxury.
Twitter_2006@reddit (OP)
I like Yoke of the Boeing planes and I prefer the brown cockpit instead of the Airbus' grey ones.
PRISONER_709@reddit
Genuine curiosity, I don't get how the yoke is any better then the stick.
IMHO the stick is definitely better because it's designed to be used with a hand and you'll always do so, while the yoke it's designed to be used with two hands (two handles, one in each side) but you'll always use it with one hand.
Galf2@reddit
the thing with the yoke is that its not truly needed and it really takes away comfort and space from a lot of pilot duties that require you to have a table and a keyboard or pen and paper
I think Boeing will eventually move to side stick, it's just a matter of improving the pilot's life. They can't have a stow away yoke because they need the plane to be always controllable, so it HAS to be a sidestick...
PRISONER_709@reddit
Appreciate the hopefulness, but don't think it'll be ever done, we'll see planes designed for single pilot ops before that.
Pretty sure Boeing doesn't really gaf about pilot comfort, and Ryanair and other airlines would never accept to retrain all of their pilots, that's what the all mcas was about
Galf2@reddit
It's not hopefulness, it's a necessity. Boeing HAS to design a 737 replacement which WILL require retraining. The MCAS issue was born out of another extension of the 737 life, which at this point it's not possible anymore.
Even Airbus is working on an A320 replacement. We're talking of development that will see the light in the early 2040's, possibly late 2030's.
Twitter_2006@reddit (OP)
I like both the Yoke and the stick but I prefer Boeing over Airbus planes that's why.I admit I'm biased.The grey cockpit isn't that good either.
PRISONER_709@reddit
What are the pros that you prefer?
I just started on 320 and I'll be probably switching to 737 in a couple of years, economy permitting 🫠
The only thing I think Boeing did better is the throttle: more excursion than 320, it allows to be more precise.
Other than that, auto trim, table, ergonomy, ecam, over head panel, stick, noise level, cockpit size, is unmatched, IMHO. All of this without taking into account Mcas and whistleblower shit
Galf2@reddit
The brown is cool but the yoke just gets in the way nowadays. Half of the pilots job is paperwork, the tray with table is amazing.
Of course I'm no real pilot, but I hear only praise for the sidestick
Myriachan@reddit
How do pilots read the maps on the side with the joystick and tray in the way?
ShaemusOdonnelly@reddit
The tray table actually folds away when you don't need it and once you are in the actual seating position (which is akwardly far forward) nothing will be blocking the screen.
3417-@reddit
Some training required.
Early_Retirement_007@reddit
The joysticks are a massive turn-off and borderline stupid for such a big airplane. Do you sit based on left/right handed? If not, do you need the ability to steer with both hands? Sorry for the silly questions in advance.
Alexthelightnerd@reddit
Can you drive with your right or left hand on the wheel, or is it impossible to drive while steering with your non-dominant hand?
Joystick or yoke doesn't matter, both require switching hands when switching seats, as the throttle/thrust levers in the center is shared between pilots.
Early_Retirement_007@reddit
A wheel is different, but get your point.
MonsieurReynard@reddit
Dude
Patient-Mistake6321@reddit
“It’s all computer”
jsiulian@reddit
Lives rent free in our brains
europorn@reddit
I'm always surprised at how cramped cockpits look. However, I'm guessing it must be fairly comfortable given how much time pilots spend there.
Sacharon123@reddit
That is a kind thought of you, but sadly a false assumption. We just cram ourselves in, all the ergonomic advantages do not really help much, and wait for the backpain. Some of us do enough sports so it hurts a bit less. Nevertheless, nothing more then the first 5 minutes on a flight deck is actually confortable.
europorn@reddit
Damn. That sucks. If the chair where I work gave me back pain I would complain and it would be resolved. I guess I have a certain amount of "chair privilege".
TommiHPunkt@reddit
no matter how comfy your chair is, sitting for the entire day isn't healthy
europorn@reddit
True.
lordnacho666@reddit
The joysticks seem to be mirrored? How does that work if you don't have a pair of right and left handed people in the seats?
Benniisan@reddit
You learn and get used to flying the aircraft with the right/left hand, no matter what your dominant hand is
lordnacho666@reddit
I suppose it's a big version of driving a car on the other side to what you're used to? Easier than initially expected?
Alexthelightnerd@reddit
It's definitely easier than learning to drive on the other side - especially since that's usually associated with also driving on the other side of the road. In a plane all the rules stay the same.
It's more like driving with your right or left hand on the wheel. Not all that different, it just takes a moment to get used to.
ItsWex@reddit
Have a look at boeing cockpits, the yokes are also mirrored.
fly-guy@reddit
it is. It takes a few simulator sessions but you get used to it quite quickly, even when you used to sit in the right and go to the left (from copilot to captain).
AcceptableMinimum109@reddit
Seemed to me like playing games on the laptop
stewieatb@reddit
F-WWOW is A380-800 #001, the testbed aircraft retained by Airbus.
moth2myth@reddit
My dad was a test pilot and I wish he was still alive to see that.
MinisculeMax@reddit
But can i play subway surfers on the screen..?
Golgen_boy@reddit
Not sure, but you can run Doom there
Dear-Regret-9476@reddit
The OIS screens are just glorified monitors for windows laptops so…
chris-pollux@reddit
What kind of windows are they running?
Martin8412@reddit
Vista
ForkzUp@reddit
XP
2wicky@reddit
Any comments from A380 pilots using this sweet setup to play MS Flight Simulator to pass the time on long haul flights?
steegsa@reddit
Is that Sydney Airport on the screen on the far right?
-Owlette-@reddit
I thought that too! It certainly looks like it
Twitter_2006@reddit (OP)
Not sure.
notouttolunch@reddit
Double everything except the hand brake 😂
Ok_Mathematician6075@reddit
Actually looks like an A330/A340
Twitter_2006@reddit (OP)
The A330 and A340 have cockpits similar to the A320.
Ok_Mathematician6075@reddit
My son is going to be mad at me if I keep responding, but yes.
TremendousSeabass@reddit
Not at all lol. The 340 has just the standard 320/330 screen and cockpit config while the 380 is quite different.
Ok_Mathematician6075@reddit
Well my son isn't here to tell me.
Ok_Mathematician6075@reddit
it's my f'ing guess, at it's best