Pentagon was arming Iranian dissidents before mass protests via the Kurds, Donald reveals
Posted by shieeet@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 189 comments
TotalPop5@reddit
Not before, it's after the crackdown.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-guns-protesters-iran-kurds-b2952178.html?test_group=lighteradlayout
The article itself explained that the plan occured weeks before the attack while the US was negotiating with Tehran, the negotiation only begun after the crackdown back in January.
Curiously, the article headline is "US was arming Iranian dissidents through Kurds while negotiating with Tehran, Trump reveals" not what appeared in this post.
Did you editorialized the title?
shieeet@reddit (OP)
Whoa hol up there mack, it's both. At least according to the original Fox News reporting, it was both a non-existent Kurdish uprising, but it also concerns the mass protests in January, but parsing Trump's incoherent ramblings sure isn't helping either. It's laid out more clearly in the Newsweek article I originally wanted to post, but which erroneously gets filtered by the automod:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-kurds-kept-guns-iran-protesters-11785509
As for the title, it's also due to the automod enforcing specific words due to rule 2.3, which I suppose is still up for debate. But I believe the current title holds the spirit of the original, and otherwise I trust the discretion of the mods.
TotalPop5@reddit
Not so schmuck now that the mods remove your agenda post eh?
Goodbye OP, learn to read.
shieeet@reddit (OP)
Lmao, you sure got sore for getting called out.
milton117@reddit
You sure got sore your agenda post was removed.
shieeet@reddit (OP)
That's literally just what the other guy said, at least attempt at some originality.
And yet here you are, several days later, totally not mad after getting completely dunked on by everyone in the thread 🤪
milton117@reddit
You got upvoted by bots and idiots who didn't read. Congrats.
TotalPop5@reddit
Holy hell, you're really trying so hard to spin this one.
Then why they did you mainly talk about to the Iranian January protest in your other comment, acting as if it's been confirmed that it was a US backed protest via Trump statement.
You didn't talk about the Kurds or the reported plan of Kurdish uprising by the US back in early March, you mainly talked about the January protest.
No it ain't, nothing about what Trey stated refer to the plan occured before the protest.
https://x.com/i/status/2040783740893360546
The most honest accounting for the headline would to make clarify that it happened after the mass protest, but you found it to be necessary to wrote "before" for some reasons.
It's misleading and dishonest.
shieeet@reddit (OP)
Gee, where could i possibly get this impression from?? Lets look at the original article again!
All of these quotes concern the January protests, before any alleged negotiations. Now, both Trump and Fox News may be either lying or just not know wtf they are talking about, but this is literally what is being reported, so stop feigning indignation.
TotalPop5@reddit
Not only being dishonest, you're also lack comprehension.
If we have to guess by all the line you have highlighted, one might suggest that the plan could occured during the protest.
But you seemed to convinced that it existed before the protest, ignoring the line: "even as American negotiators were sitting across the table from senior Iranian officials in Europe".
Again, the negotiation in Geneva happened after the crackdown.
Keep spin it until it becomes true.
fcukou@reddit
The only thing you are proving here is that you have a weak grasp of English.
Guess when the protests happened? "Weeks before" this war. Trump's tweet to Iranian protestors that 'helpn is on the way" was in January 13th, 7 weeks before the war started.
TotalPop5@reddit
So what? If you check the main source he still said after the protest, not before.
https://x.com/i/status/2040783740893360546
You guys act as if the MEE article is the main source of the claim which confuse me so much.
fcukou@reddit
You're the one acting as if the MEE article is the soul source. Everyone else is pointing to the actual FOX News sourcd to tell you why you are wrong.
TotalPop5@reddit
Were they? Then why the OP keep quoting the MEE article repeatedly during the debate, not one link to Trey X post.
fcukou@reddit
OP responded to your top level post with an entirely different source.
TotalPop5@reddit
They were using the MEE article the entire time ya doofus, at least open the link and read thing.
Again, how exactly am i wrong? What part of Trump statement did i misinterpreted?
This is amusing, i never seen people being so denial on being so obviously wrong in my entire life.
fcukou@reddit
Since when is Newsweek the Middle East Observer?
TotalPop5@reddit
What, you didn't know how to read?
All of these that were cited by OP came from MEE. Plus it's Middle East Eye not Middle East Observer. You're getting dumber each comment.
Can't prove me wrong can you, ya stupid prick?
fcukou@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/yGSJehI50g
What do the words in the link OP shared spell? Because it's certainly not "Middle East Eye".
TotalPop5@reddit
And on the rest of the comment they were using the MEE source.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-was-arming-iranian-dissidents-through-kurds-while-negotiating-tehran-trump-reveals
Open it for god sake.
fcukou@reddit
Use* not using. Please work on your English.
And once again he used it in the very first response to you. And then when you attacked the original source in response he went back to it, because you misrepresented what was said. Which again, in par for someone with a weak grasp of English.
But hey, at least now you are acknowledging that he did reference something else after saying that he didn't. Probably hard for you to keep everything straight as an Israeli who has to pretend to be from a different country.
TotalPop5@reddit
I don't need to learn English if your yankee tongue is capable to learn any other language.
When? Point it now. Even if they did, so what? Newsweek is not the primary source, which is the Fox news.
None of this disprove anything that i was right and Trump never claim that the plan occured before the protest. It's been removed, clearly the mod realize it.
Me? An Israeli? Now that's rich.
Kontol lu goblok, bule tolol, ngomong bahasa selain Inggris lu kagak ngerti. Main nuduh aja lu bangsat. Pakek nalar dasar aja lu nggak bisa, kayak anak TK aja lu, bodoh kali kau, kayak Prabowo. Kebanyakan makan MBG nih orang.
fcukou@reddit
You weren't right about anything. Jan 13 is two weeks into the protest, after they started, and well before they ended.
The mods didn't remove shit, someone complained to the admins, otherwise there would be a removal comment pinned per this subs policy.
Hold on, does this get my point across for you:
Kau tak lebih dari sekadar seekor babi, yang baru saja diangkat ke taraf kesadaran oleh Sukarno setelah seribu tahun memoles kontol pelaut Tiongkok—hanya untuk kembali ke predisposisi genetikmu dengan mengisap kontol Israel sebagai gantinya.
TotalPop5@reddit
Lu pikir lu bisa larping jadi orang Indo cuma modal ChatGPT, tolol lu goblok. Asu sundel, beda cara orang Indo ngomong sama AI otak kosong modal bokep kayak lu nggak bakal paham. WN Amrik goblok.
Gw orang Indo, nggak kayak lu, uang pajak gw nggak dipakek buat Israel. Rasain lu.
It's been removed dipshit, can't find it in the sub anymore.
Doesn't change anything the plan occured after the crackdown, not before. Do you understand the different between those two words: "before" and "after"? I don't think your smooth brain can tell the difference.
fcukou@reddit
Oh sorry, apparently it should have been "zakar". Close enough.
Your tax dollars aren't going to Israel?! You are sending your troops to Gaza to act at their occupation servants lmao
TotalPop5@reddit
Oh you finally accept the fact that i'm an Indonesian you yankee fuck? Good.
Our troops will serve to protect Gazans and keeping the peace, like we always do in Lebanon and the entire region and we can always exit the BoD whenever we want.
Your tax money on the other hand will serve to kill even more Palestinians. You got blood on your hand pal.
Again, such a poor attempt to pivot the argument, you can't disapprove that i'm right that Trump claim the plan occured after the crackdown not before.
The post has been removed, and you've been acting like an idiot.
fcukou@reddit
The only thing your troops are going to be doing in enforcing the Israeli occupation. Don't you have an IDF soldier to polish off right now?
Yeah, by the site admins. Mod removals come with a pinned comment. This isn't "own" you think it is jfc lol
TotalPop5@reddit
Seems you love them so much you'd willing to go to war for them.
So even worse then. Think carefully before you spread misinformation
Don't pivot, how was i wrong about Trump claim?
fcukou@reddit
Donald Trump sent out his tweet that "Help is on the way" on January 13th, and then yesterday, per your own sources that you keep curing, said that "help" was weapons. That US backing of the January protests, confirmed by the US presidents as references in the sources you are citing.
I'm not, but you certainly are.
TotalPop5@reddit
Dumbass don't understand that the protest started in December 2025 and ended in January crackdown. Confirmed to be a US backed protest in your stupid head.
Cope, 15 US soldiers have died defending Israel, thank you for your service yankee.
shieeet@reddit (OP)
I know holding on to two contradictory thoughts at the same time must be tricky, but again, it says both things that we have highlighted in bold quotes. Both things may be true or false but both things are being reported, and your hissyfit does not change this.
TotalPop5@reddit
Doesn't change the fact Trump never make the claim that Washington armed the protesters before the war and misleading practice.
Your denialism on it change nothing.
shieeet@reddit (OP)
Denialism? Misinformed? Can't read? Bruhh, like, what do you think those sentences and quotes in the article are referring to? Another secret mass protest event driven by worsening economic conditions as a result of US sanctions that allegedly killed 40.000+ protestors? The article is literally saying both things, but you are apparently too upset to understand this. My condolences i guess
TotalPop5@reddit
Again ignoring the first pharagraph even conveniently to make yourself not look like a complete dumbass.
You can even check the primary source and they he very clearly said after, not before.
https://x.com/i/status/2040783740893360546
Starting from 1.10
If the MEE wasn't very detailed in their article then it's their fault. Buy you came out to be even a bigger idiot for not even attempted to verify the news.
Paradoxjjw@reddit
Repeating the same wrong thing doesn't make it correct
TotalPop5@reddit
Tell that to OP.
shieeet@reddit (OP)
🥱
TotalPop5@reddit
Cope.
TotalPop5@reddit
Again ignoring the first pharagraph even conveniently to make yourself not look like a complete dumbass.
You can even check the primary source and they he very clearly said after, not before.
https://x.com/i/status/2040783740893360546
Starting from 1.10
If the MEE wasn't very detailed in their article then it's their fault. Buy you came out to be even a bigger idiot for not even attempted to verify the news.
milton117@reddit
Watch how he can't argue so he'll get his buddies to downvote you for calling you out like the coward he is.
Firecracker048@reddit
Because its anything to try and protect the theocratic fascist dictatorship, for some reason.
Its almost like there is a deep and long history of protests in Iran that Iran responds with brutal crackdowns and killing thousands of their own every time.
Shit, they are arming 12 year olds to patrol streets right now and this sub defended it completely.
champagneface@reddit
These two paragraphs in the above linked article make it sound like they were arming while protests were ongoing imo:
Speaking to Fox News' Trey Yingst by phone, Trump disclosed that Washington supplied weapons to Iranian demonstrators who took to the streets late last year, driven by worsening economic conditions as a result of US sanctions.
Those protests were ultimately crushed resulting in hundreds being killed. Trump told Yingst that Iranian authorities killed more than "40,000 civilians" in the crackdown, but there is no evidence to back up this claim.
TotalPop5@reddit
https://x.com/i/status/2040783740893360546
Starting from 1:10. This is the main source of the claim OP is being dishonest saying Trump claim the plan happened before the protest.
The crackdown happened approximately 3 days from January 8th.
By the time Trump urged Iranian to make a deal on January 13th, the protest was pretty much over.
The article stated that they plan the whole thing while negotiating with Iran, so the claim that the plan occured before or during the protest won't make any sense.
Pick_Scotland1@reddit
With you on the reporting intentionally leaving out details is fucked
Pick_Scotland1@reddit
Shows people don’t read
AvangeliceMY9088@reddit
Same playbook just like the bay of the pigs, Vietnam, and other countries US has gotten their rotten hands into just because they don't agree with the ideology or the fact that the petrodollar is being threatened.
Donald being an idiot said the quiet part outloud.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Tell me more about the petrol dollar? How is our currency backed by something that’s less than 10% of our economy? In fact the entire global oil and gas industry is less than 20% of the US GDP… so again how are you arguing on the basis of the “petrol dollar” if it doesn’t represent what you think it does.
capt_fantastic@reddit
petrol dollar allows reserve currency status. it means we can print money because the global market uses the dollar as a common denomination.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
But it’s not this to petroleum anymore, the currency deal for oil sales via Saudi Arabia in dollars lapsed in 2024. The reserve currency status is a reflection of the totality of the economy, which is only 10% oil and gas.
capt_fantastic@reddit
reserve currency status is not just limited to oil.
reserve currency status is the golden goose that keeps demand for t bills going.
the US fcuked itself by weaponizing the dollar.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Again, what’s going to replace it? The Yuan? There’s a reason investment firms are selective in their Chinese investments. There’s a very thin veil between the CCP and private industry, reporting and accounting standards and methods are also extremely misaligned from the rest of the global financial institutions. How is China going to overtake the united states if their entire economy is based on production with no domestic demand?
capt_fantastic@reddit
???
that wasn't the point of my comment, my comment pointed out that the petrol dollar supports reserve currency status. as for what's going to replace it. the world is moving on. a lot of resource providers are already trading in rmb. the brics nations already have an alternative to the swift network. since gaza, the waiting list to get into brics has grown to something like 90 nations. the writing is on the wall.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Saudi Arabia already tried this too, they dumped all of their oil profits into treasuries to try to destabilize the “petrol dollar” it didn’t work 40 years ago, why would it work now when oil and gas is substantially less of the overall economy? I’m glad you have a good capacity for regurgitating information though.
capt_fantastic@reddit
ksa accepts rmb for oil.
again, the value of the dollar is tied to reserve currency status, not the petrol dollar. and reserve currency status is going away.
you're just a dick, aren't you.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Again, how many times do I need to say the Petro dollar deal died in 2024. Saudi Arabia accepting rmb for oil proves this. They weren’t “allowed” to accept anything other than USD prior. How much has them taking payment in yuan affected the dollar again?
capt_fantastic@reddit
say it a few more times for me. because i don't give a shit. because i have repeatedly noted that the dollar's value is it's reserve currency status.
the deal is exclusively for china. everyone else stills pays in dollars. so no the petro dollar is not dead, would stop repeating your ignorant bs if i showed you that 90% of global oil trade is still conducted in US dollars.
again, 90% of global oil trade is still conducted in US dollars. furthermore, destabilizing effects on the global economy is propping up the bond market. but the movement has started and the US Gov is freaked out. hence trump's threat to bomb countries turning away from the dollar.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
90% of the global oil trade is less than 15% of the us gdp. That’s my exact point, thanks for reinforcing it. Tell me how something that’s not even 1/5 of our economy is going to crash our economy if it’s not traded in dollars anymore?
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Until BRICS just realizes it’s beholden to China instead of the United States. Why is there such a waitlist if BRICS entire game plan is to crush the United States? You think they’d want to onboard people and not be so selective in their destruction. BRICS can’t even scratch OPECs nuts.
FormerLawfulness6@reddit
Or maybe the objective is not to crush the US, but to provide an alternative for trade and development. I know it's hard to believe, but other countries have goals and needs that don't center completely on American interests.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Sure, except tech is the dominant thing in the world and will be forever. The United States is the king, China is only where they see because they steal. Sure they’ve made great educational leaps while the us has lagged, but the United States is still the center of global innovation. I’m glad you think the United States is the mafia and somehow gets money for everything from everyone. Not even oil is required to be traded in USD…
FormerLawfulness6@reddit
I don't think you're paying attention if you think China has no domestic innovation. Also sharing information was a condition of American companies taking advantage of their lower cost production. It's not theft for a sovereign country to have a different system for intellectual property. If American companies wanted to keep their information propietary they should have kept the production domestic, but that cost too uch partially because of the pressures inherent to printing the reserve currency, see the Triffen Dilemma.
Also, if you don't understand how international financial transactions work, just say so. The American finance sector takes a cut of payments between countries because the American finance sector controls the means by which those transactions take place. Our control of financial institutions is how we are able to place unilateral financial sanctions on so many countries.
The reason countries are able to make international transactions in currencies other than USD is because they have had to pursue workarounds to the American dominated financial systems, something BRICS facilitates. Not a single reserve currency, but an alternate system that attempts to balance trade and currencies outside the dollar system.
capt_fantastic@reddit
simplistic. brics founding nations have voting rights regarding exchange rates and valuations. no monopoly on power so less chance of weaponization.
you don't know? are you asking me? - because the platform isn't ready.
largest oil producers already accept payments in non US dollars.
i never said that. reserve currency status makes the dollar valuable.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Look at what just happened to BRICS when it let more countries in, China has all of the power don’t kid yourself. What happens to BRICs when Russia loses to Ukraine? Or when Iran loses to the US. We still haven’t even seen what the loss of Venezuela looks like for them.
capt_fantastic@reddit
of course they do, and we gave it to them.
nothing. they continue in not trading in dollars.
tf? venezuela is/was not a member of brics.
??? where is that mentioned anywhere?
and you don't know what you're yapping about.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
I do, you’re positing BRICS as some omnipotent force of western counterbalance, it’s an amalgamation of countries at war and flailing economies looking for handouts. It doesn’t address any of the issues it’s own members have with each other and you’re expecting it to be some amazing cohesive thing lol. You’re delusional. All America has to do is pull tech from India… lol. American tech in India is 500b a year, China does 1/5 of that across all industries. Money talks bud, China needs to replace the United States across everything.
FormerLawfulness6@reddit
"No domestic demand" is a huge overstatement. Household consumption has consistently accounted for about 30-40% of the economy in mainland China over the last 20 years. The Asian market for consumer goods is growing faster than the US due to sheer population and China sells to every country on earth. A US collapse would be a wrecking ball through the global economy, but it's no longer the be all end all of spending.
calmdownmyguy@reddit
It doesn't matter what percentage of gdp petroleum represents if the rest of the economy dies without it. Oxygen is only 20% of the atmosphere so why sho we worry if it goes away?
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Good apples to elephants comparison. So the dollar is worth more if it’s only backed by 10% of our economy?
calmdownmyguy@reddit
What are you talking about? You asked why the petrol dollar is important to the US and I explained that the global economy runs on petroleum.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
But no dollars anymore and petroleum isn’t required to be sold in dollars like it used to be
Illustrious-Run3591@reddit
This has been the playbook of the US since forever, it never stopped. Arab Spring. Those Hong Kong protests a few years ago. Urumqi. Yugoslavia. Take your pick.
lniquitas@reddit
Problem is Trump isn't going to be the president forever and as soon as there's a democrat in the white house, the whole western public will have forgotten all about it. The bad cop good cop mirage aka the two party system is perfect for pursueing the US's highly aggressive foreign policy while minimizing the reputational damage to the state as a whole.
Dedicated_idiot@reddit
I’m very curious about these genZ protests. What actually came out of it?
arjeidi@reddit
Nepal overthrew their government and just recently elected a new Prime Minister
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cev7z9802zjo
LurchTheBastard@reddit
It's not the first time karma bit the US over this sort of covert intervention. The Taliban arose from Afghan mujahideen groups who were funded by the US to fight the Soviets.
Lifekraft@reddit
Everytime some conflicts happen somewhere for the last 80y, you can be sure US is involved somewhere in the background. Thats the policy of CIA for longer than that. If a country is unstable and slipping out of their control and prediction , they rather manufacture the conflict and keep control over it rather than dealing with the consequences later. Ultimately this isnt new ,Machiavelli, in the prince, already explain these kind of thing.
Always support the opposition in a concurrent power , and when this opposition win, support the opposition again. Maintain unstability at all cost.
Future-Excuse6167@reddit
Yes, Pax Americana in a nut shell.
lol_alex@reddit
Destabilize your neighbors and then complain about illegal immigration when they seek refuge. I dunno, seems like a solid strategy.
Future-Excuse6167@reddit
It just cracks me up because people are mourning the loss of our dearest 20th century hegemon without really examining how fucked its been.
imselfinnit@reddit
As a ridiculously naive child, I was shocked to learn that bankers from the UK had met with "opposition"/guerrilla leaders in active conflict zones in Africa. In the middle of a war, these guys had managed to locate and do business with people that were active targets of opportunity. This was pre-internet of course, so miniMe was impressed with the forward thinking. What was the name of that mercenary movie with Michael Cane where Business organizes a coup?
bxzidff@reddit
Especially when it's at the other side of the world and violent tensions spilling across borders and refugees needing to be cared for will become someone else's issue. Seen as further win by those who revel in the ruination of others
unfairrobot@reddit
I'm kind of surprised that the US still hasn't figured out that messing with other countries' politics in these kinds of ways rarely works out well in the long term.
Boided@reddit
It makes the rich few richer, so it is working for them.
neatdude73@reddit
In 1979, Jimmy Carter funded the mujahideen in an program called operation cyclone. It wasn't until after he died that the US publicly admitted what he did. It took more than $20 billion USD and the consequences were passed on to the afghan people for decades down the line.
Now trump has done all this and more in a much shorter time span and hasn't even bothered to keep quiet about the covert ops failing to do what it was supposed to while the conflict is ongoing. I guess he hasn't surpassed presidents like Richard Nixon yet in total death count though.
Tb1969@reddit
Carter funded them for medical supplies, radio equipment, and propaganda around July of 1979.
After the Christmas 1979 invasion by Russia, then Carter sent arms to defend themselves. It worked in helping Russia getting bogged down invading a sovereign nation.
It was the lack of support to get those weapons under control after the Russians pulled out and abused by Afghan Warlords against the other Afghans. This is the reasoning of Al-Qaeda for the attack on the World Trade Center car bomb attack in the mid 90s and the 9/11 attack.
NetworkLlama@reddit
Operation Cyclone and Carter's part in it has been known for decades. Harrison Selig was writing about it in 1995 in his book, Out of Afghanistan: The Inside Story of the Soviet Withdrawal. Carter died at the end of 2024.
JucheSuperSoldier01@reddit
Exactly. Even before Afghanistan had a communist revolution, Carters administration was funding and arming religious extremists who would end up spreading all over the region and destabilizing everything, including doing 9/11. Zbigniew Brzezinski said he wanted to give the USSR their own Vietnam. Destabilization over everything else. Who cares about the millions that would die from their actions?
shieeet@reddit (OP)
Well then, so much for that previous narrative about peaceful unarmed civilians yearning for freedom. The Iranian account that it was first a merchant protest fueled by the US financial attacks, which the next day transformed into a violent US-Israeli coup attempt seems to be correct, and the bizarre suggestion of a 30,000+ dead story, although always a ridiculously inflated number, can be attributed to this.
Not that all this didn't stink to high heaven of a cut and dry US color revolution attempt from the start, of course.
kwonza@reddit
There was some info early on that over a 100 police officers were killed during the protest. For me that was a pretty clear evidence about at least some people in the crowd being armed and actively shooting at the LEO’s
milton117@reddit
Some info early on from dubious sources that you continue to consume mindlessly.
stonkmarxist@reddit
According to 2 human rights agencies that are collecting data on protests related deaths there were over 200 security personnel deaths that have been verified.
milton117@reddit
The same human rights agencies also say that over 20,000 protestors have been killed. So which is it, 20,000+ dead protestors and 200 security personnel, or neither?
stonkmarxist@reddit
They don't actually.
So far there have been ~7000+ actually confirmed by one of these agencies, with 11k still under investigation. All other numbers are unconfirmed estimates.
I think it's likely that a good but more than 10k were murdered although there were 6k confirmed when 17k were under investigation. I find 30k unrealistic but I wouldn't discount it. 20k is certainly possible but there's no hard evidence for it yet.
milton117@reddit
They do actually. The same org that quotes 200 security personnel also says 20k+ dead protestors.
stonkmarxist@reddit
Which?
Nethlem@reddit
That's just a lie.
No reputable HRA cited any of the absurd numbers in the tens of thousands range because they are very clearly inflated atrocity propaganda.
The most common, reliable and realistic number out there is thousands of people killed, with many hundreds of them not having been protesters but security forces and other government personnel.
By now, it should also be clear that many of the protesters were not protesters, but "dissidents", recruited and armed by Israel and the US.
But such realities get in the way of these neat little feel good narratives about how Iran just killed tens of thousands of innocent protesters, a narrative that's needed so we can justify killing innocent Iranians with bombs.
milton117@reddit
Why did you write 100 words of uselessness and fail to address the point I made? I'm stating that the same human rights sources that say 200 security personnel died also say 20,000 protestors died. Do you want to complain more to the clouds or something?
shieeet@reddit (OP)
Sorry sir! I promise to post pictures of scantily clad anime women to prove my bona fides as a serious poster in the future, sir 🙏!
milton117@reddit
Interesting that you replied to this even though I wasn't talking to you. Alt account?
Nethlem@reddit
You were the one who inserted yourself in a comment thread between two other Redditors.
milton117@reddit
Do you need a tutorial on how reddit works?
Nethlem@reddit
Are you actually that obtuse or are you just trolling?
milton117@reddit
This isn't the own you think it is. If anything it makes you look like an idiot.
kwonza@reddit
It’s the way Reddit app displays comments, sometimes it’s hard to tell if the person is talking to you or answering something down the thread
shieeet@reddit (OP)
No no, mocking him is clearly coordinated russian subterfuge!
milton117@reddit
Those who actually read the article are mocking you for only being able to read bits you selectively bold but I guess lauding in the praise of your fellow illiterates is comforting in a way.
shieeet@reddit (OP)
Gosh, sure must be the only valid explanation to someone responding to a silly comment
jorel43@reddit
There were around $5,700 killed, 800 of them were police officers and security forces.
DeadeyeElephant@reddit
Not sure if the $ was a typo, but seems on point for American interference
2dudesinapod@reddit
There’s videos of protestors shooting at the police
handsoapdispenser@reddit
There's no evidence the uprising wasn't authentic. Trump is saying he sent weapons as a response to the protests in the hopes they'd escalate. He also said they didn't reach the protestors. It seems unlikely they'd send weapons so late if they knew it was going to happen.
RedTulkas@reddit
The uprising surely was authentic
That doesn't mean it wasn't US backed
And if you go by government numbers you have 3,3k protesters and 800 dead LEOs , thats more akin to a civil war
splashbodge@reddit
Do we have any idea how many were killed? I keep seeing that 30k+ but if it was anywhere that high I think we'd see a lot of evidence of that... Did we jump from a number of 100 to 30,000 or was it thousands to begin with
MaestroRozen@reddit
Lowest estimates are around 7000, highest 30000. Truth is obviously somewhere in between, but is hard to confirm due to the whole information blackout imposed by the regime during the crackdown. One thing is for certain though : you don't block the flow of information if said information would paint you in a positive light.
splashbodge@reddit
Damn that's a lot. You don't even need a propeganda number if the lowest estimate is 7000, that's horrific
RedTulkas@reddit
Lthe actual lowest is the government number of less than 4000
But I m not sure if that includes the several hundred dead LEOs
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
What percentage of the 7000 were killing cops, blowing up mosques, and working with the foreign invaders?
They never differentiate for a reason.
jorel43@reddit
5700 were killed, of which 800 police and security forces.
Nethlem@reddit
Keep in mind these are estimates where basically everybody can just throw a number into the discourse and it's gonna inflate all other estimates too.
Particularly as there are very much parties at play with an agenda to inflate the casualty numbers, the same parties who were setting everything up for such casualties to happen in the first place by recruiting and arming people to attack Iranian security forces.
In contrast; Official numbers, with actual ID of the casualties, are in the 3.000 range.
That's a lot too, but casually claiming there were more than double than that, as the lowest estimate, is just super sus, and claiming there were 10 times more sounds even more sus.
Particularly when these estimates are substantiated with basically nothing, if they were accompanied with IDs of tens of thousands of Iranians that are now suddenly missing, then that would be at least somewhat convincing and something to actually follow up on.
2dudesinapod@reddit
Iran released a list with around 3,300 names.
If that list was inaccurate by an order of magnitude then someone would have proven it wrong by showing deaths not accounted for.
Levitz@reddit
What's up with this sub and propaganda lately?
You are making an entire narrative up off shit that is contradicted by your own link to defend a theocracy killing civilians.
shieeet@reddit (OP)
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Levitz@reddit
Do you have learning disabilities?
shieeet@reddit (OP)
Whatever Trumps syphilis-addled brain thinks happened to the guns, the report clearly suggests that there was an attempt to arming the protestors, which runs with the dissident training the US and Israel has been priming in Iran for years.
Levitz@reddit
Yes and Iran has been funding opposition in the area for ages too, welcome to geopolitics, sadly that doesn't mean you can blame everything bad on the US.
shieeet@reddit (OP)
Okay, so now you admit its likely true that the US supplied or attempted to supply weapons to Iranian protestors, even though two comments back you implied was some made up narrative, but now its actually no big deal because Iran does it as well? Okay dude 👍
Levitz@reddit
Where the fuck are those goalposts??
I can barely even see them what the fuck
shieeet@reddit (OP)
Try to keep up ⚽
reddit_is_geh@reddit
What's crazy is we know this playbook. It's nothing new. Nothing unique. It's the same play over and over. Yet so many people still fucking fall for. There are countless people out there insisting Iranians want this, the protests were peaceful, and one of the largest massacres in history happened in the digital age without any evidence except from western media citing random hearsay from their contacts.
milton117@reddit
It would help if you read your own article. It specifically states that the weapons never reached the protestors because the Kurds kept them.
Why do you post it if you don't even read it?
NorthernerWuwu@reddit
If you think those were the only weapons they sent, I don't know what to tell you.
America has been doing this forever, in the Middle East and South America primarily, they just used to pretend to be embarrassed when they got caught. Now they brag about it openly.
milton117@reddit
Still no proof of that I see, just wishful thinking about the evil americans.
Federal_Thanks7596@reddit
Would you accept an Iranian source as as proof? Of course not. So what kind of proof are you even looking for? Or are you asking for proof that America has been doing this for decades?
milton117@reddit
Would you accept an Iranian dissident source as proof? Of course not. Your standard for truth is only one aligned source.
Federal_Thanks7596@reddit
Depends. Is it a single person who hasn't even been at the protests? Probably not. Truth is, we don't know for sure what happens. But we have an American president addmiting to arming people and we know what happened when the US did it historically.
milton117@reddit
We also know that this regime has violently suppressed protests before in the past, multiple times. We know that people have died without firing a shot back from brutal Basij militias. But don't let that inconvenient fact ever cloud your judgement.
Federal_Thanks7596@reddit
What exactly are we arguing here? I'm not saying that the Iranian goverment is perfect. But if a foteign country is arming or trying to arm a part of your population in order to overthrow you, it's asking for a massacre to happen.
shieeet@reddit (OP)
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milton117@reddit
What does the unbolded part say? Can you only read things that are bolded and capitalised?
zlex@reddit
I mean, we can still read the unbolded part. You could probably delete the paragraph where it says the operation failed and the weapons never reached them if you’re trying to spin the narrative that the Iranian government didn’t massacre tens of thousands of unarmed civilians
BufferUnderpants@reddit
I can't believe that people would question Trump on his word when he says that 40000 people died.
northrupthebandgeek@reddit
“Every protest against the far-right regimes on my geopolitical football team is a color revolution!”
Dedicated_idiot@reddit
Why does US give a shit about Iran and its far right?
Why don’t you start by freeing Saudis from their regime? Why do you care about Iran and not the other despots? Who are you to have an opinion on Iran and her governance?
Also, how about you care about Israel and their settler colony agenda? Oh but US is a Christian fascist country in cahoots with Zionists and oppressive monarchies and all other far right groups when it profits them 🙂
northrupthebandgeek@reddit
Unlike you, I don't keep my post and comment history hidden, so you're welcome to peruse said history and observe that I've been openly critical of every single one of the other countries you listed, too, for more than a decade and a half now.
Dedicated_idiot@reddit
I keep my post history hidden because I like privacy. Why does it matter to you? I’m Asian and fortunately my country isn’t bombing anything rn.
Why should I lurk your posts? In this thread, you seem very concerned about Iranian govt instead of your own, which is bombing school children and is clearly the aggressor here. US was a democracy and you guys keep screeching about freedom, so why don’t you care more about your president saying Iran will be bombed to Stone Age?
northrupthebandgeek@reddit
The “instead of” is an incorrect assumption on your part. You are again entirely able to observe that for yourself if you so choose.
agitatedprisoner@reddit
Here's a newscast from back in January:
"The scale of the killings in Iran during the brutal recent crackdown on anti-government protesters is being laid bare. One human rights group, whose estimates have proved accurate in the past, says it has verified more than 6,000 deaths. The Human Rights Activists News Agency says it’s investigating reports of more than 17,000 other killings. Other estimates have put the number who have died at more than 33,000."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbe2Kxg-KjQ
Dedicated_idiot@reddit
I’d like to see another country try to fund an armed rebellion in US to see how many get the same treatment…how is US not getting called a Christianist terrorist country after killing a million Iraqis with a lie?
agitatedprisoner@reddit
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/middle-east/iran/report-iran/
Regimes always point the finger at foreign conspirators to explain domestic dissent as excuse for state crimes and human rights violations.
That the Iranian regime should be deposed doesn't mean US political leadership aren't crooks themselves. If some more enlightened nation wants to come liberate me I'll put out cookies.
Dedicated_idiot@reddit
You misunderstood me.
I’m not entering the conversation of whether the “regime” in Iran is good/bad/evil…I was just saying if another country did the same to US, they would do the same (or with US history of escalating, worse). So no, your specific “they killed protestors” is a poor argument in this instance.
Also, US political leadership is crooked? Mate, your country has been bombing other countries and killing innocents for a long time, while you guys play Dem-Rep game while foreign policy doesn’t actually change. The reason no one can “liberate” you is because whatever country tries that will get the US bomb treatment.
agitatedprisoner@reddit
If another country conquered to USA to free our animals on factory farms I'd greet them as liberators. Billions of animals are bred each year to misery and death. If all beings have inalienable rights the implication is the state doesn't have the right to protect abusive cruel animal ag operations from domestic (or foreign) activists. But no county on Earth presently respects animal rights aside from maybe Bhutan and a Bhutanese invasion seems unlikely.
Whereas Iran is near the bottom of the pile in terms of rights abuses and inept governance and so lots of countries look to meddle in Iran. Countries and governments that abuse don't have a right to be left alone to keep abusing. There's no good reason countries like N. Korea should exist except to the extent it'd be asking too much of the free peoples of the world to sacrifice and maybe die ending those regimes. Another country is welcome to try a regime change in the USA but it'd have to be both better and sufficiently stronger and there's no country on Earth like that. Sometimes the world could use more war.
potato_analyst@reddit
Do you think these are the people armed by the US to try and force an uprising to overthrow the regime? When that failed, Israel and US followed up with the bombs.
Anxious_Katz@reddit
Remember the 1953 coup, Operation Ajax. Back then, Mosaddegh seemingly backed down without much struggle and went into exile peacefully. A favorite "what if" scenario for Iranian history nerds is to ask: what would have happened if he had chosen to stay and fight back? I think this is what would have happened. His opponents and the UK and the US would have framed him as a mass murderer for violently stopping a coup.
iVladi@reddit
so they tried to stage an armed insurrection, which was obviously met with heavy resitance (like it would do in ANY country) and then they tried to create the idea that some peaceful protestors on the streets were being gunned down by the big ol mean iranian government
actual clowns, america doesn't deserve its empire.
forkkind2@reddit
Yeap, i called it out and got called names and downvoted for saying the numbers are ridiculous and the clear lack of sources in the age of social media.
Nice to know i was right, people falling for what iraq 3.0 the third time? Its hilarious at this point
Levitz@reddit
If you actually read the link, the weapons never made it there.
RedTulkas@reddit
Trump thinks they never made it there
And do you honestly think that was the only route/try to get in weapons
800 dead LEOs would shake most states to their boots
AskAboutMySecret@reddit
people are swept up in hating the US they no longer care about actual facts and human rights
Anxious_Katz@reddit
. . . They've been doing this kind of shit forever. This isn't even the first time in Iran! Look up Operation Ajax. They paid street thugs to act like normal protesters and demand Mosaddegh's resignation. The plan was, if he decided to crush that opposition, for them to take arms, paid by the UK and the US, and violently depose the democratically elected leader of the country. For oil.
JucheSuperSoldier01@reddit
This type of shit happens all the time and American libs call you crazy when you tell them they’re doing it again. American media called Al Qaeda groups in Libya that Gaddafi was fighting against rebels and resistance fighters and painted them as simple Libyan citizens rising up against a dictator and look how that turned out. No limit to the amount of evil, suffering, and instability to US wants to spread around the world.
2dudesinapod@reddit
Libya was funny, they claimed that Ghaddafi had procured massive shipments of viagra so that his troops could rape with chemical enhancement.
Biffolander@reddit
Why can't it be both?
There's genuine loathing for the regime amongst many in Iran - I know a few living in my country, and they and their families back home can't stand the mullahs anyway. There's been multiple genuine large-scale protest movements there in recent years - no doubt lots of NGO interference etc involved, but they have fertile ground to work on.
Maybe they instigated a fresh round of protests (or simply piggybacked on an emergent phenomenon, I don't know) and when lots of genuine protesters were out on the streets, sent their armed goons out into them to start riots and/or provoke lethal counter measures, and bingo, mucho dead peaceful protestors to help justify the planned attacks.
Firecracker048@reddit
Because Iran has no history of killing their own protestors, gunning down civilians, or beating women to death for not covering their head. They also have no history of repressing their own people, having brutal crackdowns and don't have terror police and moral police who roam the streets.'
I swear when it comes to brutal dictatorships outside the west, people just can't face reality.
NezumiAniki@reddit
There's genuine loath for any government, you don't even need 1% of population to violently overthrow a government.
Not saying that I like Iran government, just saying that all these "protests of the people" aren't representative of anything, there can be a country where half of the population hates the government that sit at home and there can be a country where only a few do but they're active, violent and supported by a foreign power.
iVladi@reddit
Look at macron approval ratings, look at French protests when they dont like something. Now let's pay some people and arm them to storm government buildings and kill people.
From your pov, this is 100% justified, no?
Biffolander@reddit
If that's what you got out of my comment, I think it best we leave it there. Good luck.
iVladi@reddit
bye, take care
MaestroRozen@reddit
Because obviously stupid brown people have no agency of their own. Only time they ever do anything is when a superior white (coded) man manipulates them into it.
Yes, the war is wrong on so many levels, but it doesn't change the fact that Iran is a horribly oppressive religious dictatorship. People here can't grasp that the world isn't black and white - one side being in the wrong doesn't mean the other is 100% in the right.
Nethlem@reddit
Do you mean like stupid Ukrainians wouldn't know what to do when their government gets couped, and that only started a civil war because of Russia?
MaestroRozen@reddit
Ah, whataboutism - the weapon of choice of those without an actual argument.
But seriously - it never crossed the mind of an Iranian to protest against their regime and its' manu faults, but the moment Trump says "here, have some guns, go and destroy your country" they're like "as you command, master"? That's what y'all want us to believe.
Dedicated_idiot@reddit
Because diasporas are not representative of a country. EU, American, Aus diasporas from any country are upper middle class to rich people.
I’m Asian and would hate it if someone used diaspora opinion to judge my country.
Biffolander@reddit
Did you not read as far as the second paragraph where I mentioned the large-scale popular protests that have sporadically broken out there over the past decade or so? Or are you going to tell me all the people killed and maimed in those and executed or imprisoned afterwards were upper middle class rich cunts too? Or are you going to go all out and deny all the available evidence about the mass participation in those protests and their harsh suppression by the authorities?
Arrow156@reddit
Did he forget he sold out the Kurds in his last Presidency? Why the fuck would he think they would be willing to do him any favors this time around?
Paradoxjjw@reddit
The Kurds have been sold out by the US repeatedly and then came back to help anyway, what reason does he have to think they won't be lackeys for the US empire again?
jorel43@reddit
I mean people across Reddit were pushing back on those of us that were pointing out that this was the case, I wonder where those people are now and if they realize that they were wrong, it's history. We always do this, it's been shown that we are just carrying the British tradition and mantle of inciting violent revolutions. The protests had nothing to do with Iran or its government they were not natural.
cmrd_msr@reddit
Let's pretend to be surprised.
As Russian politician Chernomyrdin said, "This has never happened before, and here it is again."
The only thing that's astonishing about this is the average European's or American's memory, which lasts a year at most.
hellopan123@reddit
Russia has never armed anyone they just walk in and pretend to be the people who would have been armed
cmrd_msr@reddit
Russia offers its neighbors to be friendly, neutral, or Russia.
Stirring up revolutions on other continents is a favorite American thing.
milton117@reddit
Not least surprised that a Russian flair fails to read the article
cmrd_msr@reddit
Why should I read an article with a Western narrative? Trump's direct speech was already chewed over in our Telegram channels yesterday. I won't learn anything new from this article.
milton117@reddit
Why are you on reddit then?
cmrd_msr@reddit
In this sub? I read people's opinions from around the world on this or that event and express my own.
Clearly not to absorb the British publication's agenda, lol.
w8str3l@reddit
Did you read article you posted?
Here is is the headline, it differs from yours:
Here’s the very next line:
Yet somehow you came up with a post title “Pentagon was arming Iranian dissidents before mass protests”, something the article does not claim.
Why is that?
Elsewhere in the comments you disparage the “narrative” that the mass protests in Iran were peaceful unarmed civilians yearning for freedom, which, according to all reporting, they were.
Did you fail to read those reports too?
Here’s a list of protests in Iran, tell me which ones you would describe as “peaceful unarmed civilians yearning for freedom”, and which ones not:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_protests
Penchant4Prose@reddit
You know that the Kurds would be "Iranian dissidents"?
A number of these were violent, did you read them at all?
w8str3l@reddit
You might not have understood the point I was making about the reading comprehension.
Let me be more clear.
The order of the events discussed in the article we are commenting on is: 1. Mass protests by peaceful unarmed civilians yearning for freedom 2. Violent Iranian government crackdown, thousands of peaceful civilians dead 3. Iranian government continues with kangaroo courts and executions of teenagers 4. US starts giving arms to Kurds, with the goal that they take them to Iran and give them to Iranians
No, that would be a mostly false statement. There are non-Iranian Kurds (in fact, the majority) and there are non-Kurd Iranian dissidents (in fact, the majority).
You make it sound like all, and only, Kurds are Iranian dissidents. If that is what you wanted to say, you’d be wrong. If you wanted to say something else, please say that something else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_protests
Yes I did, and that is why I asked your friend to differentiate between them.
Here’s a list of protests in Iran, tell me which ones you would describe as “peaceful unarmed civilians yearning for freedom”, and which ones not:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_protests
Why did you not answer the question?
Penchant4Prose@reddit
I didn't say anything like that. I don't think your reading comprehension is the problem, so much as hallucinating straw dragons to tilt at. Calling the Kurds one of the dissident groups in Iran is not "a mostly false statement".
If you knew violent protests had taken place, why are you asking other people to identify them for you? It's weird.
w8str3l@reddit
I note how you are unable to explain why your friend is selling a false narrative based on an article that says the exact opposite.
Either both of you have reading comprehension problems regarding the timeline of events (peaceful protests in Iran, violent government crackdown, negotiations between the officials of Iran and some real estate developers from the US, the delivering of arms to Kurds, the bombing of Iran by Israel and the US), or both of you are muddying the waters on purpose. Which one is it?
The Iranian government is repressing, violently, the peaceful protests of its own population. For decades. That is a fact.
The Iranian government is executing (today!) the Iranian peaceful freedom-loving dissidents among its own population based on trumped-up charges. That is a fact.
When I asked your friend to name, from a long list of Iranian protests, the peaceful and non-peaceful ones, your friend refused to answer.
You also refused to answer.
Let’s try again.
Of the long list of Iranian protests, how many were peaceful out of how many, and how many were not peaceful?
Please to answer with numbers.
I bet you’ll be unable to use numbers, perhaps because your culture is not yet familiar with Arabic numerals.
DanDan1993@reddit
No one here reads anything that doesn't fit their already formulated opinion on the world
Toomanyeastereggs@reddit
They weren’t.
Trump lies. Trump lies a lot. Trump lies the moment he opens his mouth.
What Trump says is guaranteed, Grade A, 100% bullshit straight from the butt.