C-GNJZ, the aircraft involved in the accident of AC8646 on 3/22/26, visible in an American Airlines hangar at LaGuardia on 4/5/26
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Bright_Broccoli1844@reddit
Does AC / Jazz pay rent to American Airlines for hangar use?
IanMullins13@reddit
I have some insight on this on a much smaller scale, but at my flight school I work at we had a plane that crashed and had to go through an NTSB investigation. While waiting for them to complete the investigation, we housed it in our hangar and we ended up billing our hangar rent to our insurance company and they paid us. I have no idea if airliners have similar insurance policies, or even insurance at all, but that’s how we handled it
PBP2024@reddit
What if a company or owner didn't want to rent it out; then what does the NSTB do?
GoodGoodGoody@reddit
They (try to) get a court order. The order will specify access but not free access.
PBP2024@reddit
Which was messed up. If that's actually true, that you can basically just take over somebody's own private property by a court order alone.
PracticalWait@reddit
i imagine the plane wouldn’t have been moved there if AA didn’t agree.
railker@reddit
And I would think AA would like the same cooperation if they were to have a crash where they didn't have a hangar, and cooperation with the NTSB being able to do their work as promptly as possible benefits everyone.
zoeartemis@reddit
I'd also imagine that AA would want to minimize delays to their own flights
IanMullins13@reddit
At least at our airport, I’m sure there would be someone more than happy to rent their hangar to the insurance company at a premium rate, whatever that would be
DatSexyDude@reddit
Airlines defdinitely have insurance and it works similarly. The deductible is pretty high though, at my previous airline it was $250,000.
adjust_your_set@reddit
$250k is very small when dealing with an accident like this. Damages can run into the tens or hundreds of millions.
DatSexyDude@reddit
Well yeah obviously, my previous airline's liability limit was like $30mm per person per incident.
Compared to GA insurance, however, which the previous poster was referring to, a 250k deductible is a lot of money.
IanMullins13@reddit
I forget what our deductible is, but it’s in the neighborhood of $10-$20k. This crash was a total loss of an aircraft valued at $480k. Small stuff compared to a CRJ, but just my insight on the GA side of things when a crash happens
GoodGoodGoody@reddit
I’m suspecting you’re getting only part of the story or your office manager isn’t that experienced.
NTSB has broad investigative access and temporary land-taking powers at the site of a incident but they have zero power to demand far from accident site storage or facilities. Naturally the aviation community comes together after an incident but long term far from site storage is negotiated and if negotiations fail a court order given.
By involving your own insurance you screwed yourself, even if your insurer was able to recoup from whomever.
IanMullins13@reddit
At that point, it was no longer our plane as it was deemed totaled. It was the insurance company’s. I’m not an adjuster but I’d say that CRJ will be deemed totaled and I doubt that Air Canada or whoever it’s leased from owns it anymore, so it’s the insurance company’s job to store it
GoodGoodGoody@reddit
When you said “We had a plane crashed” I assumed you were being on topic comparing your incident to the Jazz one as is “We had an unrelated crash nearby”.
Jazz and American are not related.
Your own plane and your own nearby hanger both under the same insurer are related and it is completely different.
danit0ba94@reddit
Im sure the process is very similar. A crash that resulted in fatalities, under ntsb investig, is exactly that. Regardless of operator or FAR part.
Although I'm sure the numbers involved are considerably larger. 💲
space-tech@reddit
That's the NTSB hanger now.
DCmetrosexual1@reddit
Jazz’s insurance will pay.
D-pod@reddit
I'm guessing it's the NTSB since they're the ones in custody of the aircraft for the investigation. Once they wrap up, probably AC/Jazz's insurance company would then take possession of the aircraft to scrap it.
Slippery_when_RA@reddit
I was just thinking this
Ruepic@reddit
Still shocked by this accident, Jazz’s first fatal accident… Air Canada had a CRJ100 crash in Fredricton with the flight number AC646 in the late 90s, no one killed but there were some severe injuries.
Benjamin39Brown@reddit
Probably could still be used as a parts donor for other aircraft, but it will ultimately share the same fate as N753SW, the aircraft that crash landed as Southwest flight 345: scrap metal.
TrueNorth_360@reddit
Eastern Airlines salvaged parts from the L-1011 crash in the Everglades. It was nonstructural equipment from the galley and cabin. (EAL flight 401, in 1972).
css555@reddit
That was the cause of the ghost sightings, on the planes with the recycled parts.
SwayingTreeGT@reddit
The liability for the company may not be worth the cost of an engine or APU. You hope it never does, but if anything happened to an aircraft with these donor parts - imagine the PR nightmare that would cause.
84Cressida@reddit
Parts get re-certified all the time from write off aircraft.
PizzaGeek9684@reddit
I think this actually happened. I don’t recall the airlines or accident. But the parts were reused in other planes. People kept claiming to see ghosts on those planes so flight attendants and people in the know refused to fly on the planes. It got to the point that all transplanted parts were removed
Benjamin39Brown@reddit
I remember an Air Canada DC9 that burned down after an emergency landing, but its wing was still usable, so it was donated to replace the wing on another DC9.
Fluffy-Proof-5175@reddit
Most likely AC 797 in June 1983
Benjamin39Brown@reddit
Yes, exactly.
potat0man69@reddit
I think the L-1011 that crashed in the Everglades
PizzaGeek9684@reddit
Yes! That one. Eastern 401
chateau86@reddit
Eastern 401?
PizzaGeek9684@reddit
Yes! That’s it!!
Fluffy-Proof-5175@reddit
The engine, apu, and some of the interior components are probably still in good shape
Nametab@reddit
You think so even after experiencing immediate deceleration from over 100mph to zero?
railker@reddit
Definitely not immediate to zero, considering the time taken to go over and through the fire truck and end up another taxiway down the runway before coming to a stop almost 500 feet away.
I'd bet there's hard landings out there that've experienced harder G-forces.
Benjamin39Brown@reddit
It didn't instantly stop, though there probably was a good bit of a shock. Instead, it kept going for a short distance and carried part of the destroyed fire truck with it.
Character-Cherry-7@reddit
Interior is probably filled with biohazards as well, sadly…
imitt12@reddit
And there it shall sit, for possibly years to come. N704AL is still parked on the ramp at Boeing's base hangar at PDX, over 2 years after the accident. And that was with zero fatalities.
railker@reddit
Is it really? That's the weird one in this scenario, what's the hold-up? Put the door back in and send it 😁
JBR409@reddit (OP)
Alaska retired it, and I doubt anyone else would want to pick it up with its history
afriendincanada@reddit
According to Wikipedia, 154 flights and 520 hours. It’s not gonna get scrapped, is it?
mikepapafoxtrot@reddit
If a 747-8 BBJ that had only 30 flight hours, as well as those GTF-powered A320neo that are as young as 4 years olf ended up being parted out, the same could happen to that one as well.
GeologistPositive@reddit
It will probably remain around LGA for a long while. N345AN, the plane that was AAL383 back in 2016 still sits somewhere in the northern part of ORD. A wing melted off and it was towed back there during and after the investigation. Some have said it's used as a fire trainer, but I'm not certain on that.
84Cressida@reddit
It won’t be there that long. We know the cause of this accident and AA will want their hangar.
N704AL was bought back by Boeing. Nobody has said what their plan to do with it but it’s probable that it isn’t moving due to pending litigation
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