[AMMO] Winchester USA 9mm NATO 124-Grain. ¢24.7 cpr add 10% off with purchase over $300 + shipping and taxes
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cotu101@reddit
Winchester workers are on strike
Next_Emphasis_9424@reddit (OP)
The factory on strike is the Olin Winchester Lake City Army Ammunition Plant in Independence, Missouri that makes 5.56, 7.62, and 50 bmg for military contracts. This stuff is made at different factories that arn’t on strike.
cotu101@reddit
I wouldn’t. Workers, whether some or all, are on strike against Winchester. I intend to not buy from them to help those workers gain leverage.
Illustrious_Swan_739@reddit
Solidarity
cotu101@reddit
Solidarity
Betta_Check_Yosef@reddit
Winchester's union factory workers are striking right now. Don't support scabs.
Strange-Fox6623@reddit
Doesn't that just help increase the price of Winchester ammo?
Betta_Check_Yosef@reddit
How do you figure
Strange-Fox6623@reddit
Company pays more=company charges more... If the give the employees what they want, wouldn't they push the cost increase onto the customers?
Betta_Check_Yosef@reddit
I mean, yes, that's how overhead works. At the same time, it's only ≈1300 workers pumping out ≈1.4 billion rounds annually, so the increase in their pay is spread out pretty thinly across their production.
I'd happily pay a cent or two more per round if the people who make it will have better lives as a result. Seems reasonable, no? Would you willingly take a smaller paycheck just so your customers could have a marginally smaller bill?
cotu101@reddit
That is because you are a decent human
Betta_Check_Yosef@reddit
I'm greatly overselling the impact, anyway. If Winchester charged $.01/round more on the aforementioned 1.4 billion rounds they pump out annually, that's an extra $14,000,000 in revenue every year. Even if they increased all 1,300 employees' salaries by 10k/year, they'd still net an extra million each year in profit.
cotu101@reddit
Direct labor is normally a very small percentage of COGS in this type of environment. That being said, it blows my fucking mind that some people are comfortable sharing their viewpoint of “but if the laborers get paid more, then my ammo will cost more.” What a scumbag point of view
Betta_Check_Yosef@reddit
For some folks, "But Ronnie said unions bad!" is all they need to hear to make up their minds.
Strange-Fox6623@reddit
Who's Ronnie?
Betta_Check_Yosef@reddit
Ronald "union buster" Reagan
cotu101@reddit
Man people suck. Can’t stop shaking my head
Strange-Fox6623@reddit
25% of their overhead is employee salaries. That's not a very small percentage.
cotu101@reddit
Overhead and direct labor are not the same thing. Overhead includes management and executives that are winchesters side of the strike. Do you know the difference between direct and indirect labor?
Strange-Fox6623@reddit
I can see your point. I've always been of the mindset of if your not happy with your job, find different job.
Betta_Check_Yosef@reddit
Sure, they could quit and get new jobs, but then Winchester would have to hire and train replacements. Any good business manager will tell you that replacing employees is universally more expensive than retaining them, so now we're right back to increased overhead, but with a less skilled workforce until they can get up to the same level as their predecessors.
So, your choices are pay a little more and keep everything else humming, or pay a little more and likely get a lower quality product for a while.
cotu101@reddit
So you are saying that you would prefer the cheaper ammo than the blue collar Winchester workers receive what is fair? You wanna rethink that?
Strange-Fox6623@reddit
I'm pretty sure when they took the position they thought it was fair. If my job didn't pay me enough, what I would do is ask for a raise or look for a new job.
cotu101@reddit
Got it got it got it. Let’s put the pressure on the laborers, not the multibillion dollar company. Great anecdote
Strange-Fox6623@reddit
I'm not putting pressure on anyone. I was just talking about price increases...
cotu101@reddit
Pick a side. Pressure is applied to the other side. Laborers or multi billion dollar company. Wether it is your intention or not, your wallet is used to apply pressure
Strange-Fox6623@reddit
I was talking about the union striking adding to higher ammo prices... Not about applying pressure on either side.
cotu101@reddit
What I’m saying is that you are naive if you don’t think you are applying pressure to one side or the other.
jabbo99@reddit
The Lake City MO plant that makes military 5.56, 7.62, and .50 cal is on strike. But this 9mm NATO ammo is made in East Alton, IL. Not clear how refusing 9mm made in an IL plant and its (and presumably union) workers would “support scabs”.
Betta_Check_Yosef@reddit
Money from both plants ends up in the same place, yeah?
ubettercall1@reddit
Thanks for letting me know, Just bought some.
Desperate_Exercise13@reddit
Good NATO rated ammo if you need it. It shoots reliably in my Canik, but it is quite dirty and spicy.
Icantdothiskmsnow@reddit
Where deal?
LongoChingo@reddit
Any price below 26cpr is a deal these days.
killerradar1@reddit
Not exactly 1 to 1, but herters 9mm 115 grain was 18 cpr a month ago with a little leg work (you could get cc or buy discounted cabela gift cards, if you stack boththen it was like 16.2 cpr)
cvillefarmer@reddit
Herters is just WWB in a different box. Same ammo from the same line
Icantdothiskmsnow@reddit
Not really. Academy does 20cpr on their monarch 115gr brass 250rd packs sometimes. My LGS has American Eagle 124gr for 23.5cpr before tax which is a far superior ammo to WWB and considering it has reciprocal ballistics to the beloved Federal HST JHP.
Angrypirate901@reddit
What if we don’t want turkshit 115gr or live near your lgs?
Icantdothiskmsnow@reddit
That's your problem, not mine. I've never had worse than light primer strikes from Monarch. It just runs dirty.
rsteroidsthrow2@reddit
It seems like it’s only Reddit that has supposed issues. The only common issue I’ve experienced is Turk 124 is nato contract ammo so it’s primers are hard, and for hammer fired, or stock striker pistols.
WildHorseAmmo@reddit
It's not because it's NATO contract, it's because it's cheap. When QC bad, overcorrect and you don't have problems.
No-Abbreviations1937@reddit
I just bought 1500 monarch 115grain from academy because I had a couple discount rewards to redeem. All the 250 packs were Brazilian made
spacecowboy067@reddit
The Monarch 124s are Turkish tho, and since the ammo OP listed was 124, I think there are a lot of people here (myself included) that want 124s in this thread.
I will say I have ordered and shot the Monarch 115s and they are pretty decent for the money, but their turk made 124s have rock hard primers
Legitimate-Simple-98@reddit
Their 115gr has been Magtech again since like Dec....
Next_Emphasis_9424@reddit (OP)
It’s in white box but it isn’t WWB. This is Winchester NATO rounds more of a 124gr +P round. For guys who want to practice with rounds that will have a similar kick to their self defense rounds these make sense then cheaper 115 grain ammo.
Icantdothiskmsnow@reddit
Almost all 124gr ball that I've shot is loaded hotter to NATO spec. At least in my experience.
troyirving@reddit
Not even remotely true for most common 124gr that people are buying
MK12Mod0SuperSoaker@reddit
This is higher pressure stuff, so maybe don't shoot it in any of your antiques that can't take 9mm +P.
I like 9mm NATO pressure (124 @ 1200 fps) in comped guns though bc comps love the extra propellant.
Next_Emphasis_9424@reddit (OP)
It came out to 24 CPR for me in Virginia after everything. Can’t find 9mm anywhere around here right now and guys are mostly just panic buying ARs and 30 round mags not ammo around here. Bought this with plans to use it in a comp pistol.
MK12Mod0SuperSoaker@reddit
Hello fellow VA survivor!
I've been looking for g17 mags myself, but settled on more mec gar versions. Tested a couple and they seemed to work in mine. I think people are holding off on ammo because the 11% tax got delayed for now. Priority for now is just things with serials and mags it seems.
arin43@reddit
Idk what price you'd be wanting them at, but just a quick search and glockstore has g17 mags at 23.99
MK12Mod0SuperSoaker@reddit
Says out of stock when I click 17 round.
ExactScreen9237@reddit
am I blind, where does it say it's higher pressure? it just looks like normal WWB to me?
Accomplished-Bar3969@reddit
It says NATO all over the item description as well as the product photos 🤷♂️
Norskamerikaner@reddit
As "9mm NATO", it's loaded to higher pressure than usual commercial 9mm Luger. I used this stuff to break in an AP5.
prmoore11@reddit
Good for MP5 break in too
Specialist-Day6721@reddit
This has been my go to for range ammo for some time. I have both striker fired and hammer fired pistols. Works fine 100% of the time. Runs in my 1911's just like my S&W Shield or CZ's.
I have an Academy right by me and I get 10% off with my Academy credit card.
As far as dirty, idk, I all ways clean my guns after every trip, I like cleaning a gun and just watching tv in the evening, so I have not ever noticed anything. What I care about is it goes bang every time. If in a SHTF situation this would all so be good back up ammo, I got no problem if I needed to carry this stuff. So it could be more then just range ammo in a pinch.
The_Longest_Shot@reddit
Love this shit as a facsimile for 124gr +P ammo at the range. Great training ammo, despite the whining from the cheap seats.
KillerFrenchFries@reddit
All of you complaining about the price and failing to take into account that it’s OLIN corp! After going 3/3 returning my last three boxes of Winchester I bought (333 rnd 22LR, WWB 115gr 9mm, and WWB 230gr 45acp), I am never buying an OLIN product again! Not a deal at any price!
Subverto_@reddit
These comments are wild. Did r/gundeals get in influx of completely clueless people recently or is this just a true representative sample of the gun community as a whole in 2026?
GooseWitDaJuice@reddit
Might be OOS, Academy cancelled my order. This is the second time it has happened.
troyirving@reddit
Doesn’t seem to be- tried adding 100 boxes just to check stock and it said 71, a minute later it was at 69. They seem to be tracking stock properly and in my experience they’re pretty reliable with that- something else must be going on with your orders.
GooseWitDaJuice@reddit
That's odd. I wonder if my billing and shipping address being different is causing problems.
ForsakenRepublic1776@reddit
Buy this now and get .22 cpr with my $15 off coupon, or wait and hope a better deal comes around before that coupon expires 4/24?
troyirving@reddit
I regularly buy NATO because I have a true SD gun that heavily prefers it- this would’ve been a good price last year before the current ammo hikes. I paid $345 for 1500 rounds on 6/3/25 and that was the best price for any NATO rounds at the time. Since then I found a local distributor that stocked them, but they haven’t been getting any recently.
I say buy it now, I’ve had a hard time even finding the Winchester NATO at all, much less for a good price.
People who think this isn’t a good deal either haven’t paid attention to rising ammo prices or don’t know what NATO loads are or both
Different-Whole4924@reddit
Last I bought this ammo was 7 months ago for 23 cpr. Why it went up? Iran war?
Next_Emphasis_9424@reddit (OP)
That and winchester has announced multiple price increases since then.
OrtnerSkor@reddit
Word is copper is becoming pricy because of new data center demands. Also, gun powder for bullets is getting more scarce because production is being ramped up for military munitions (155mm shells). Don't know if true or not.
Heard .22L was going to be cut off first but see tons of that around currently. In my area, .380 ACP ball ammo is really hard to find. Have tons of the .380 ACP defensive stuff on the shelf.
The Academy stores in San Antonio have pallets of 9mm on the show floor; Winchester, Blazer and Monarch. Blazer ammo is currently on sale in the 100 round boxes.
ForsakenRepublic1776@reddit
That definitely led to higher prices the last few weeks. Also, all the major ammo producers announced prices would go up 4/1 due to "increase in supply costs" or some nonsense.
ImpulseBuyer2022@reddit
Cannot ship to IL. What kind of fffff..... is this?
raphired@reddit
While I’ve never had a dud of this, it is a spicy round and I’m honestly sick of it. Leaves unburnt bits all over, and overpriced at a dime a round. Just IMO
Independent_Bid_26@reddit
I have to agree. I had a box of this and I swear it was so fucking dirty.
Jason1435@reddit
Train like your using defensive ammo and not lightweight target ammo I guess, that's a good use for it. Especially if your defensive ammo is +P or spicy in general
raphired@reddit
That was my thought when I first got it since I was carrying 124+p at the time, but the unburnt dregs are a turn off for me. There’s just not that much difference in feel between my defensive ammo and generic target ammo to put up with it.
Appropriate-Name5538@reddit
This is what I use for practice it matches 124gr+p hsts very well. It is a little dirty but it is fantastic for running drills with your defensive handguns
Panthean@reddit
Acadamy is so cucked for not shipping to WA.
There is no law preventing online ammo sales in WA...
WoodenGlobes@reddit
This is a Turkish brand, but it's made by Magwell. Nothing wrong with RNG ammo at the range. Many handloaders already make the same type of ammo at home. This is the Belom redit deserves!
Next_Emphasis_9424@reddit (OP)
This is made in USA.
Legitimate-Simple-98@reddit
Dont worry though, 26 CPR is a deal....
Next_Emphasis_9424@reddit (OP)
Came out to 24 cpr to me in Virginia. I’ll take any 9mm around here right now, shelf’s are empty!
Legitimate-Simple-98@reddit
Im making fun of all the people saying 26 CPR was a deal on a couple different post and trying to defend it with their lives.
No-Abbreviations1937@reddit
Brace yourself for the angry comments OP
Next_Emphasis_9424@reddit (OP)
It came out to 24 CPR for me in Virginia after everything and all of my gun stores 9mm shelf’s short of some self defense ammo is bare. Idk where guys are finding better deals/ ammo in general right now.
Broccoli_Pug@reddit
The frog is simmering and these guys just haven't caught on
Angrypirate901@reddit
It was the same idiots making the same comments while covid shortages kicked in and ammo prices went sky high.
Funk360@reddit
Common guys this is a deal...please, ammo is expensive now...common it's BIN right guys?
WoodenGlobes@reddit
bin 10x+1
Quenz@reddit
For NATO, yeah. It's about what I pay when it goes on sale at Dunham's, if they ever stock it.
officialbronut21@reddit
If it's over 25cpr after tax/shipping, don't bother posting it.
Aerial_Burial_88@reddit
It comes out closer to $0.23/rd shipped with the 10% discount. This is good shit.
Next_Emphasis_9424@reddit (OP)
24 cpr for me to Virginia even cheaper if your academy store has it in stock and don’t have to pay for shipping.
magistersmax@reddit
For all the people saying this isn’t a deal, this isn’t normal WWB. This is Winchester’s NATO spec loading which is effectively a 124gr +P round (the spec is a bit different than typical +P, but it is a hotter round). It’s good stuff.
WAgunner@reddit
Why doesn't academy ship ammo to WA? There is no law here that regulates ammo shipments more than any other state.
Next_Emphasis_9424@reddit (OP)
Maybe just no distribution network?
Waaaash@reddit
Can't use UPS and FedEx like everyone else?
Next_Emphasis_9424@reddit (OP)
I have no idea, how are the ammo shelf’s looking around your area? Our are empty of all plinking rounds.
TheMorningDove@reddit
Yeaaaaaah. Naw.
mashkid@reddit
You'd think, but this became a good deal over the last few weeks.
Appropriate_Ad_1247@reddit
Late april fools?
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