Wasted career and tempted to quit IT
Posted by Hurri1cane1@reddit | sysadmin | View on Reddit | 251 comments
I have been a Tier 2 tech for nearly 5 years and have been in IT 7 years. I have not received a Jr System Admin role yet constantly being told I have the qualifications to do so. This has been intensely discouraging and has made me feel like leaving the industry completely. Is this common or am I just an outlier?
kinkkush@reddit
Nice. More jobs for me.
LinkFelton@reddit
Sounds like its a employer/work place issue, not you. Looks elsewhere. I stuck with my state agency through a 5 year hiring freeze after I was hired just a year prior and I got a 20% raise and new position. I had confidence in my management after the numerous talks and thanks I got that they were gonna do what they could to keep me once they could, and they did.
If the environment isn't their, then yeah you wont go anywhere. Its worth looking else-where. Especially after 7 years of false promises.
Exploit1993@reddit
5 years? Bro i quit in 6 months if ibsee they are not worthy
BisonThunderclap@reddit
Stop being loyal to people who give you no reason to be loyal. Go get the role at another company.
Hurri1cane1@reddit (OP)
I actually spent most of my time at a Fortune 5. I have worked in many enterprise environments but the 5 years as a tier 2 I have worked at UnitedHealth as onsite support. After finding a new role however due to a horrid RTO mandate that was essentially last minute I left because I didn’t want a 3 hour commute 5 days a week. This new job is something I am getting paid more for, however it is another sr specialist role. Yet I still did not get that System admin title. It has made me discouraged despite me being excited for this opportunity.
Thirsty_Comment88@reddit
"I actually spent most of my time at a Fortune 5"
Well there's your fucking problem.
1armsteve@reddit
I’ve worked for some companies in the top Fortune 500, no one calls it the Fortune 5. That’s just weird, sounds like he’s made it part of his “corporate identity”.
unstopablex15@reddit
I work at a Fortune 5000 (:
TU4AR@reddit
Nah the dude works for North Central Positronics or Tyrell Corporation.
Easy top 5 corps.
martin8777@reddit
Or maybe Citgo or the Sombra Corporation.
cleansheet25@reddit
Enterprise is where things go to get monetized. So it’s not surprising that most creation happens outside of the enterprise space. It’s easy to forget that creativity and monetization are almost entirely different skill sets.
woodsbw@reddit
Ha, I worked somewhere that had a new number ever time they move up in position. “We have entered the Fortune 234!”
skat_in_the_hat@reddit
"Sorry Steve, no can do. We've gotta keep the money in free cash flow to maintain our primo position in the Fortune 5. You understand, right? Cool, see ya at the company bar-b-q later! :wink: :gun fingers:"
1armsteve@reddit
“How about we round table this and circle back next week with the project managers? All 6 of them?”
They all join 30 min late.
That’s “Fortune 5” for ya
vgullotta@reddit
I need to tell you all something, sure it could be an email, but let's have a weekly meeting and talk about it for a few years, that's better.
GearhedMG@reddit
Company BBQ? more like departmental pizza party "next" quarter.
Twist_and_pull@reddit
Even funnier when youre not from US and have no clue what Fortune 5 is lol
SecondChances96@reddit
I mean if you work in tech it's pretty stupid not to know what some of the biggest companies in the world are, no?
I don't live in China but I'm aware of Baidu, Tencent, Alibaba, Xiaomi, Bytedance, etc.
I don't live in Taiwan but I know about TSMC.
Samsung, Sony, SAP SE, ASML, you get the picture. But I'm sure everyone is similar and is purposefully ignorant because "lol"
Twist_and_pull@reddit
Lol
itguy1991@reddit
You can't really fault someone for not knowing an unused abbreviation of a US-based list of the top 500 biggest US companies by revenue, especially if they're not from the US--it doesn't really have anything to do with tech, it has more to do with the stock market.
Beyond that, no one that I've worked with in my 20-year career calls being a sysadmin "working in tech".
Witte-666@reddit
Sounds like working for billionaires to me. I'll pass on that.
PowerShellGenius@reddit
Yep - they can afford more experienced sysadmins than you. And since they have them, they don't need to have you work above your role and get experience for a higher role.
Small business is less risk averse in who they let touch systems (because they can't afford people who already have a ton of experience). I got my start in small business so I could prove myself and get to sysadmin-level work fast, took a couple years to get the title though. Then a while after (still under 3 years of starting my first IT job) I got into a school district as a sysadmin, and am loving it here.
Lazy-Function-4709@reddit
Right lol- “I’m just a number at $MegaCorp, why can’t I climb the ladder???”
Top_Boysenberry_7784@reddit
Seriously, just stop looking for roles at big name companies.
There are plenty of great jobs at companies small and big that your friends have probably never heard of. You have a better chance at these places valuing what you do or can do. For the good and bad of it unlike a fortune 50 or 5 company these companies don't always specialize and silo off bits and pieces of IT to where you only do one thing. You will expand your skill set very quickly opening up more future opportunities.
jamkey@reddit
I was the Sr System Administrator at a small company and after the IT Director left I took the IT Helpdesk lead guy fully under my wings, as I also took over the IT Director role (in addition to SysAdmin duties), and promoted him to Jr. SysAdmin and then Full SysAdmin all within about 11-12 months with two significant pay bumps. So from that experience (and others I’ve seen), if you have the courage to learn fast and independently find and take on new projects then you can progress quickly in smaller companies.
TheCurrysoda@reddit
This is the way.
BeefVeganNoodles@reddit
This is the way.
Escanut@reddit
This is the way
commandlogic@reddit
This is the way
music2myear@reddit
This is the way
Flamingo_Tshirt@reddit
This is the way
agnes_dei@reddit
Excuse me, does anybody know the way?
commandlogic@reddit
I know the way
MoTakes1@reddit
You’re the real one. I wish I got a director like. I work for a big firm and it’s really hard to get noticed or moved up to senior positions
dylanimal@reddit
I just moved from an MSP (about 90 employees so big/medium for an MSP) to internal IT at a small / medium company with about 1500 employees. I have already seen so much opportunity to show my skills and take on projects.
They are growing a lot recently (almost doubling over the last 3 years and planning to double again in the next 3). We have so many systems in place from before there was an actual internal systems / infrastructure part of the IT team so I can always find something to write a quick document on how to improve it to my boss and hes directly under the VP of IT.
In my opinion, definitely dont settle for a job where you are not fulfilled. There are great companies out there you just have to get lucky.
The_NorthernLight@reddit
1500 isnt an SMB anymore. Maybe medium, but even then, 1500 is generally considered a large company (your IT licensing budget will be bigger than most SMB’s entire IT budget)
Hashrunr@reddit
Working at a very large enterprise can be detrimental to career growth. Once you've proven you're really good at digging a specific type of hole, you'll dig that same hole the rest of your time there. I spent almost 12yrs in F100 before I realized that fact. 8yrs later working in startups and I'm getting calls from the same F100 recruiters for jobs I was denied in the past. Don't burn your bridges, but you'll have better growth from moving on.
bemenaker@reddit
Why I left the enterprise for SMB market a lonnnggg time ago.
Lazy_Owl987@reddit
You need to leave and get a jr or mid senior role. Get some certs to bolster your resume and then some internal references you trust before striking out.
Ok_Wasabi8793@reddit
System admin is kind of a dated title these days so I guess what work are you specifically looking to do?
__ZOMBOY__@reddit
Curious about what you mean by this. What title(s) have replaced “sysadmin”?
codewario@reddit
There are a lot of different hats you can wear. I work on our "Sysadmin" team for example, but I exclusively develop automation. I am considered a Systems Engineer, not a Sysadmin. It's actually a point of confusion when people hit me up for support because I'm the only one "Online" and not "Busy"
Ok_Wasabi8793@reddit
Places use all kinds of things like IT Analyst, Technical Analyst, IT Engineer, Systems Engineer, Operations Architect, etc.
llDemonll@reddit
Just put junior sysadmin on your resume and apply for other roles. If the qualifications and experience represent the same then no one will question the title.
stephenph@reddit
And if they do question you probably don't want to work there anyway.
I work govt contracting, so a bit of a different beast, but in the past I have kept the same job title (Linux specialist) but with increased responsibilities and appropriate pay bumps. (usually by contract)
Don't really care too much about the job title as there are no hard and fast naming conventions. As long as it references my skill set that is fine, I just update my resume with the more appropriate title. I had one internal hiring manager question it but he was cool with my explanation.
gangaskan@reddit
Gotta Pick your battles.
3 hr commute blows dude.
Keep looking, something will eventually come up.
I myself, live 3 mins away from work, have very flexible hours, and get paid decently.
indiez@reddit
You have an mcse or something? Why again do you think you deserve it?
justaguyonthebus@reddit
The title isn't important as the duties that give you the experience you need. Then use your role instead of job title on the resume.
I think it took me 14 years before I took a job that gave me the actual title I felt was appropriate. Actually, that might have been the only time as my later jobs used flat titles that aligned with the organizational structure.
Time_Athlete_1156@reddit
If you want to be a sysadmin, you be a sysadmin. You send your resume to the small place who look for a sysadmin. You will get a hit. And when you've been a sysadmin at a small place for a few years, you look at big box.
smoothvibe@reddit
Find a smaller company. That's your solution.
ASlutdragon@reddit
I’ve worked for Fortune 500 but never 5. Not sure if that is a real thing or a typo but honestly just find a new job man. I’ve hired jr sys admins out of high school if they seemed eager and could manage basic Linux cmds and ms AD tasks. You have too much experience to be excited to call yourself a Jr.
HopefulSurveys@reddit
Maybe try working at medium sized business you get way further there than what you have done.
Nik_Tesla@reddit
You're telling me a famously shitty health insurance company isn't keeping it's word to promote you?!
djgizmo@reddit
titles mean nothing. Responsibilities and what you actually do matter.
Jethro_Tell@reddit
The more profit a company makes, the less it doles out to the people that actually do the work and earn the profit.
Working for a fortune 50 is a step, you do it for 18-36 months for the experience of working in a big infrastructure then you go make your money with someone that has a product but spends money on their people.
ahfuq@reddit
That's exactly the type of place that won't give a single shit about you or your goals. Use them for whatever education benefits you might need to take part in and keep your job search going. The only way to move up is to move jobs.
VernapatorCur@reddit
How many system admin roles have you applied for? How many recruiters have you spoken to and told you're looking for a System Admin role?
I was in the industry for 15 years before landing my first job with a System Admin title. That position was really glorified L2 Tech, and I don't actively look for a new position till I have to which meant 7 years at the same company as L2.
p3t3or@reddit
"I have worked at UnitedHealth". Wait until you hear how they treat their customers... I can only imagine how they treat their employees.
FrivolousMe@reddit
They don't promote from within, it's almost always better for job responsibility and salary to move companies than it ever is to stay somewhere.
unstopablex15@reddit
You can't sit around and wait and expect something to fall in your lap. You gotta go out there and get it!
igooazoo@reddit
That EDIT just did my week. Congrats!
Chance_Reflection_39@reddit
As a 30 year veteran of IT who started in retail, titles mean nothing. Learn as much as you can, then move to another company for more money every 3 years or so. What I tell my people are if you’re still working for me after three years without a promotion, then you’re stagnating yourself and there’s a problem. Sometimes companies don’t grow so that shouldn’t screw you over. Your growth is your responsibility and you need to take the steps on your own. As a manager, I will help the best I can, but I will not push you. The initiative has to come from you. You may say that I may have lost some good people, and I will reply to you that if I looked at it that way, then I would be selfish. Truth is, I have a nice little network of people I can tap whenever I need anything. I got by just fine and it’s great to see others succeed. Unfortunately there are a lot of leaders out there who are selfish and only look out for themselves. I swore to myself I’d never be like that. I’ve given promotions and raises when I could, and helped my team find better jobs. If your boss isn’t like that, GTFO as fast as you can, or one day you’ll wake up at 45yo still doing desktop support.
Slivvys@reddit
You need to change jobs every few years to ensure your pay and position are in-line, when the job starts going to shit, move on.
Hurri1cane1@reddit (OP)
I’m going to give this new role 2 years.
DifficultyDouble860@reddit
it doesn't stop there. Been an App Analysts for 7 (20+y in tech industry) and asked about Senior AA, but keep getting runaround. Now, that could ABSOLUTELY be on me, but you'd think if I didn't show any potential of being promotable they'd have gotten rid of me by now. "Act your pay", OP. You've already given them the gesture of your potential. "the first hit is free..." They gotta pay for the full experience, now.
selvarin@reddit
After the 3rd year Id have been Doubting Thomas, just not vocal. Would've started low-key looking and found something else...
My experience is that you're more likely to get offered a higher-level role from another company, not your own, provided you emphasise the skill set (not the job title). Companies have a tendency to keep people in slots so they don't have to worry about filling them...until people inevitably leave for better roles.
bobs143@reddit
Stop going for JR roles that don't exist anymore. Go full System Admin. The right place will hire you.. I would hire you. You have skills, but you have what ultimately what I look for.
A great attitude. A willingness to build on your skills and get better everyday.
PhoenixVSPrime@reddit
What's the skillet difference?
Seems like it's mostly scripting and ccna level knowledge
bobs143@reddit
The difference would be can you actually apply those skills when thrown a curve ball. When things go hard down are you able to collect yourself an trouble shoot the problem and fix it in a timely manner.
I have seen CCNA holders that can't hack it when the entire network is down and the wolves are at the door. When the pressure is high because C Level users are breathing down your neck. And for some reason your script may have actually caused an issue.
johnyakuza0@reddit
How convenient that you just got an offer the same day as making this Reddit post?
These BS ragebait posts are so pathetic
Hurri1cane1@reddit (OP)
People interview? I’m not sure what the issue is. This post was mostly a result of feeling the stress of being a new dad and feeling like nothing was panning out. Thank God something did.
anonymoussnonymous@reddit
Only post on this account, too :-(
ironwaffle452@reddit
Junior with seven years of experience? Something’s wrong with you. You put the title, not the company. They generally have some random job title they have no idea what it means.
Iamnotapotate@reddit
A System Administrator, is not a System Administrator, is not a System Administrator.
I worked at a placed where Sys Admin, was Helpdesk Support with the added role of user account management.
I've so worked at a place where "System Administrator" was "you are responsible for everything".
I've also worked at a place where "System Administrator" meant looking after VMware and Hypervisor hardware.
"System Administrator" means something different in every company.
Hurri1cane1@reddit (OP)
Thank you for this insight and a few in this thread have actually made me aware of this. I think it’s time to not really look at the title and more so my pay and job responsibilities.
I came into this industry thinking there is hierarchy and it truly seems like there just isn’t.
Iamnotapotate@reddit
Yeah, unfortunately there really isn't any kind of definitive hierarchy or structure.
Job titles are essentially meaningless outside of the organization you are working in. On your resume sometimes its more worthwhile to change your job title to something that lines up more with your experiences in that position that would make sense to other people.
At one place I worked I was a "Critical System Analyst"... Okay? What the hell does that mean? Fuck all to anyone outside of the Org.
Roles and responsibilities wise I was a Sys Admin, so on my resume I list it as Sys Admin because that will actually make sense to other humans.
Time_Athlete_1156@reddit
IT is not a straight ladder. You can literally make up a title if you want, just make sure they pay you well enough for it or switch to a different company. And don't let the imposter syndrome overrun you.
jsora13@reddit
Titles only matter for resume filters.
Saw an old colleague negotiate for more pay, travel expenses when they couldn't find a local person, and a more glamorous title.
Sr. Infrastructure Engineer for what is essentially a data center tech for an AI cluster, solo. Flys in from Cali to Texas every week to be a hardware monkey.
Aim_Fire_Ready@reddit
I worked at one place, my first IT job ever, as the sole IT staff for 5 years: in that time, I had 3 different job titles. It was a joke since I had the same solo role the whole time.
do_not_free_gaza@reddit
Why would you go from a Tier 2 to a Junior System Admin?
Surely you would be ready to be a normal System Admin after 7 years in IT
YourTypicalDegen@reddit
The problem with the IT field is there really isn’t a good stepping stone from Helpdesk to Sys admin. A lot of companies won’t even have a Jr role to move up and will just hire externally because they won’t or don’t have the ability to train you. You need to apply and hope you get lucky. Some companies will post Jr sys ad roles for people like you. You could also look for Jr security or network roles. But yes, this is more common than you think it is.
Wise_Guitar2059@reddit
I find this very strange in IT. Even if a company hires externally, that person was junior at some point. At some point seniors are going to retire and no one is hiring juniors, then where do seniors come from ?
KptKrondog@reddit
A jr sys admin is just a regular sys admin that has some holes in their knowledge/less experience. They just hire another sys admin. Then that guy leaves after a few years and they hire again.
Wise_Guitar2059@reddit
Well my question was how does one become a regular sysadmin (with holes in the knowledge) if there is no path from helpdesk to sysadmin at all ?
TaiGlobal@reddit
There are plenty of courses, labs and trainings for an individual to take so they can grow. The organization isn’t invested in doing that and would rather hire externally. That’s just what it is.
Wise_Guitar2059@reddit
Okay but then many here say that certs, homeland don’t count. Experience trumps everything. How do you get experience if no one is willing to hire you from help desk to sysadmin ?
YourTypicalDegen@reddit
You just gotta get lucky that someone is hiring a jr position and some places do but I’m saying be prepared that many do not
Scoutron@reddit
In my personal experience, you join the military or you get elevated from a helpdesk job
Sudden_Office8710@reddit
7 years in a dead end job is 6 years too many. You’re an outlier. I’d want to quit too if I stayed 7 years at a shitty spot. The job market is bad and will probably be bad for quite some time unfortunately. Procrastination is a bad trait to have in this career.
Hurri1cane1@reddit (OP)
Actually just got a new offer for a Junior Role today! So not too bad apparently!
Sudden_Office8710@reddit
Consider yourself lucky. Congratulations should have done this sooner. Better late than never
NegativeHerons@reddit
I'd play Devil's advocate here and ask...
- Have you asked your supervisor why you're not being promoted despite having the qualifications for doing so?
- By "qualifications", do you mean certs/exams, or some in-house rubric for determining when a promotion is warranted?
knightk7@reddit
I've been in IT for a long time it started out just building computers and tinkering to starting a business selling them and building custom and finally when competition and availability made it impossible to make a profit doing small business and personal IT stuff, I took a job in the mid-90s work in the school system where I learned a lot of technologies that I've never seen before and got to work across multiple campuses with wide area networking technologies the transition to email storage optimization etc, which prepared me for working in the Enterprise and developing many admin skills that I would not have gotten until I reached the level of admin in a different type of organization or a smaller company it department with a single data center or server room.
I then took a job as a phone tech support engineer for an Enterprise backup software company and work my way up in that vendor to high availability email archiving and other technologies and moved out of support into a product management consulting and marketing roles during my time there and while I was at that company for 13 years my salary increase 5x during the time I was there from the time I started till until I left. I also had a considerable amount of stock and 401K growth.
I left that job in 2011 and started another company for myself. Nobody that would have been possible without me moving to a vendor to develop the Enterprise skills at the level I achieved, nor would I have had the opportunities to work with Enterprise customers in the Fortune 100 and Fortune 500 space, the federal government, foreign governments, and others, in helping them choose and implement complex disaster recovery solutions for their most mission critical applications.
I was able to make great money, travel the world,.speak at vendor events, and become a trusted resource for some of the largest companies and governments in the world and I never held the title of senior administrator or IT manager, etc.
My recommendation is take a look at what it is you really like to do and what it is you're really good at. If what you'd like to do require some certifications or some new skills, start working on that. Look at the types of jobs available in Enterprise software and hardware companies in the cloud, virtualization, networking, or security space and get certified in the things in high demand for your chosen direction.
If cost is a factor entertaining a certifications, I would recommend taking a lesser job at a company that has the position or career track that you want and let them pay for you to achieve the certifications because they will. From there you can easily move up or laterally in any direction you want although sometimes companies will make you stay in a new position for at least a year.
In all likelihood, your chosen company will pay you at least what you're making now and possibly more even for the lesser positions. The benefits will definitely be better and you'll have the opportunity to get equity as well as better retirement matching and way better insurance than you've ever had before.
reactor4@reddit
You need to move to another company.
Professional_Golf694@reddit
Quit that job, not the field.
4xi0m4@reddit
That hits hard. I spent years stuck in a role where the ceiling was artificially low because the company just did not have room to grow. Switching companies was the upgrade that no internal promotion was ever going to give me. The industry is fine, the job market is fine, you just need to be on the right side of it.
Professional_Golf694@reddit
The market has seen better days for sure. I've gone from dozens of calls a week from recruiters for different roles, to a dozen so far this year all for the same role.
Pete_witty@reddit
I was IT for 14 years and one point running the department till new manager was installed, then sacked over nothing, now work as delivery driver and loving it
Beautiful_Lock8799@reddit
I felt that way over my 12 years of IT. I learned that if a company doesn't keep their word than it's time to move on. I worked as a school tech at a middle school to working at an Amazon Warehouse to a local MSP then to my current role with a school district as Sys Admin. Just keep applying and you'll find something with better pay.
I have a buddy right now who making 75k doing Tier 1 support for C-level users at a Fortune 500 company.
taxigrandpa@reddit
it's pretty common to get stuck in a helpdesk role. You have to actively seek other jobs because if your a good rep they will never let you move on. any AI can answer a phone, but it takes someone with heart and fortitude to follow a problem to the end no matter how bad your client is
you can always ask for more money.
BradimusRex@reddit
I've been in IT for 17 years. The only way to get promotions and raises is to leave. These companies will say things to keep you in the spot that you're working at.
EffectiveEquivalent@reddit
Same place for 10 years, this isn’t always the case. I started as a no experience entry level, now head of it on more money than I knew I was capable of. It’s entirely about the company you work for and how you convince them of your value.
BrainWaveCC@reddit
The best way, sure.
But not the only way, although it is steadily moving in that direction.
60% of my promotions were in place, and 40% came from changing employers.
Now, when it comes to compensation changes, you will usually do better with a new employer than with an in-place promotion.
ZAlternates@reddit
You get small promotions staying in place, with of course a few exceptions, especially when the role changes. However, a lateral move is often where you get the bigger raises. You stay “loyal” to a company to build skills, and then move to get your “reward”.
GearhedMG@reddit
This exactly, I came to my current company making a decent chunk more than the team lead who has been with the company for 20+ years, only getting minimal raises, he's NOW been given a new director title but he's still making only a little bit more than I am.
Hebrewhammer8d8@reddit
Does Team lead get any piece of the company?
GearhedMG@reddit
We are a Fortune 250 company, we are just well paid peons.
BrainWaveCC@reddit
This is largely true today, but some of my in place raises were in the 25-35% range.
Increasingly, what you outline is the way folks are going to see the best increases. But it wasn't always this way, and my experience reflects this.
ZAlternates@reddit
Indeed. My parent’s generation rewarded loyalty with things like company pension plans. It still happens occasionally too, but even in the old days, some people would “stack pensions” by working 3 places for 10 years each.
Kaarel314@reddit
Oh looks like this is universal everywhere not just my at my last job. My boss was telling me for almost half a year that a promotion was coming and some paperwork needed to get done first but actually nothing was being done for this to actually happen.
phoenixpants@reddit
If you're living somewhere with solid workers rights, just being prepared to leave and looking around can occasionally be a decent way to advance at the same company as well. Assuming management makes an effort before you reach the counter offer stage.
GearhedMG@reddit
Been in IT for over 30 years, "the best raises are the ones you give yourself"
Sideshow-Bob-Ross@reddit
25+ years here. I jump ship every 5 years or so. Once the raises no longer keep up with inflation and the job duties become unmanageable it's time to move on. Keep your resume updated.
AmiDeplorabilis@reddit
So make it happen.
I've been in IT since the mid 90s. I've been a variety of support positions. Sysadmin is a glorified support role, except that one has more responsibility and tends to be in charge of the administered systems, so if something goes sideways, they're responsible. It's only been in the last 10y that I've been a sysadmin, but you're whining about NOT becoming one in 7y?
Grow up and grow a pair.
JuicedRacingTwitch@reddit
No one is ever going to hand you a job. Go to indeed and look for a new job. None of this is hard or new.
Bigdaddyjim@reddit
I spent six-plus years on the phone and climbing under desks, so it's not that uncommon. If you need immediate satisfaction, it might require a move to another city or a fresh start at the bottom of the ladder at another IT shop.
Bubby_Mang@reddit
I don't think I've ever met a jr system admin in the last 25 years of this job. I would quit IT for entirely different reasons tbqf.
robotbeatrally@reddit
and what would you do instead? give me the formula lol. I've been basically a jr sys admin for 17 years and I would love a surefire path to something new. I do like IT objectively and I always have, but I'm bored and have never been able to land great pay. Man I wish I could do something in nature.
Bubby_Mang@reddit
It's not sure fire at all but I'd rather be in an easier to survive industry, and own the business.
IT\Dev\Devops is -really- hard... and the rich people in charge are insufferable about it most of the time.
robotbeatrally@reddit
Haha been thinking about starting a pizza restaurant but honestly given I know nothing about restaurants, it's an awful climate for restaurants, and don't really have the capital anyway, it's kind of a pipedream. i think about how much i loved making pizzas when I was paying my way through college. I could literally work 16 hours a day in my own pizza place and love every minute of it.
Bubby_Mang@reddit
Sell take and bakes?
My wife is an accountant and she runs her own book keeping business. WFH every day, cleans up her list of 10 clients accounting duties in a few hours, hangs with the kids the rest of the time and makes a ton more money than I do. What a gig.
robotbeatrally@reddit
That's funny my friends wife does the exact same thing.
I feel like the thing that really makes the pizza is a good oven. With the overhead of ingredients being so high, it feels like take n bake would be ... tough. but maybe you could have a nothing bundt cakes sort of business model, if you marketed it well enough and had consistency xD
0157h7@reddit
What do you actually want? Is it more money? Is it to see that your career is progressing? Is it to do a specific type of work or avoid a specific type of work? Is it a specific title and if so, what’s making you want the title?
We don’t know you and we don’t really know the specifics of your situation, so it’s hard to give you specific advice.
I will agree with others, if you want something different don’t wait on your current employer to give it to you.
It is frustrating to be in a spot where you feel like you are ready for something, but you can’t seem to find someone willing to give it to you. I’ve had two specific times where I felt like I was ready for the next step, but could not find the opportunity. It was very discouraging, but in both cases, I ended up stumbling into that next step in a way I did not expect. In both cases I have taken that next step and succeeded. What was the holdup? Was it a bad day for an interview? Was it a bad fit with the hiring manager? Was it bad luck for me and excellent candidates put up against me? Was it that I was not ready but later on I became ready? I can’t know the answers to these questions, only that I kept trying to be better at my current job and kept trying to become better at the job I wanted.
Quit feeling sorry for yourself. There are people who are frustrated that they can’t make the jump to the job you have. There are people who are getting laid off and then having to go into a terrible job market.
That’s not to say you can’t be discouraged, but maybe you need a real reality check. If you quit, where is that going to get you? Are you just gonna start over in another industry? This is certainly not gonna get you a junior sis admin title. Are you in tech because you want to be a sis admin? Are you in tech because you wanna work in tech?
I’m giving you some tough love because I think you need to hear it, but believe me, I understand. If you want to privately send me your résumé and a listing for a job that is exactly what you want, I’ll look over it and offer you my thoughts as a hiring manager.
Koalburne@reddit
Yeah I think this is more common than people admit. I’ve known people who get stuck in that almost-there stage for years and it really messes with your head. Being told you’re qualified but never getting the shot starts to feel personal after a while.
PositiveBubbles@reddit
It does, the carrot and stick approach is the sign of poor management. I moved around alot at first, it was hard mostly doing T1/2 with projects and T3 sprinkled in, eventually I was able to move to tier 3, I don't look at levels though now because the work is what I focus on and I'm developing alot of standards and process improvements for BAU now.
You'll probably need to move around to move up and it's not always a straight line as people on this sub claim.
codewario@reddit
If you can't move up on the current ladder, switch ladders (get the job you want at another company)
Oflameo@reddit
I been a Jr. Linux Admin at a Managed Service Provider, and I make more handling packages for a megacorp. I say quit and wait for the droids to purge the meritless.
Spug33@reddit
Salary increases happen best when you hop. Get out there and find a better job!
Weird_Lawfulness_298@reddit
I got a significant pay increase when my boss found out I had other offers. The salary bump was well worth staying.
Sideshow-Bob-Ross@reddit
In my experience, they only bump you up to keep you around long enough to replace you.
PowerShellGenius@reddit
Depends. In at will employment this may be true. Under my union contract they do have the right to accelerate steps in the pay table to counter offer and retain someone - but "we regret increasing their pay" or "they were looking around, must be disloyal" are not on the short list of reasons for involuntary termination.
mkaibear@reddit
100% this. Never accept the counter offer. Use it as a spur to leave - this is how much they should have been paying you all along, the fact that they weren't is a slap in the face!
konoo@reddit
You just need to move on to another company. The days of working at the same company for decades are behind us. What the modern company formula provides is 2-3% salary increases per year for the average "good" employee. If you want to advance in your career typically you are going to have to take another job at another company.
To be honest it sucks, I have been in this industry for a long time and it wasn't always like this.
Utopicdreaming@reddit
Never stay in a place that tells you youre qualified to elevate but doesnt do so. Theyre saving money youre still doing the time.
If you havent already applied within you should but also make sure youre applying in other companies.
Dont be loyal just because they let you in. Be loyal when they show you youre worth every penny they spend on you to work for them.
RedditDon3@reddit
You need to move around every 5 years to climb that ladder. Being too comfortable and not wanting to leave is a bad idea, unless job market is tight and you’re near retirement. I was nervous about switching company 7 years ago, and now. Looking back, i think it was a great decision. If my title hasn’t recently changed with a salary bump, I would have applied elsewhere by now.
Chetrippohhh2@reddit
I was tier 1 for 5 years and gave up trying to go up to level 2. I ended up landed a new role at a k12 that pays more, better benefits, more pto, but involves more physical activity. I think I'm out of the game now.
Cool_Intention_161@reddit
i was stuck at tier 2 for 3 years before i finally just started applying externally. the company kept saying "next quarter" and it never happened. got a jr sysadmin role within 2 months of actually looking. sometimes the only way up is out.
Lucky_Foam@reddit
Years ago I was working help desk. I asked my boss if there was opportunity to be promoted to sys admin.
He told me I needed some certifications. So I went and got some. Still nothing. Jobs became open. They always filled them with someone from outside the organization.
I finally got the clue. I would NEVER be promoted at that job.
So I started looking elsewhere and applying to new jobs. Then one day I got a new job and put my two weeks notice.
My boss was shocked and wanted to know what it would take to keep me. I told him it was too late. He had the opportunity to keep me and he didn't jump at it.
You are the only one that will fight for your job and career. No one else will.
25+ years in IT and I have NEVER seen a promotion within at any organization I've worked at. Not saying it doesn't happen. Just I have never seen it.
If you want a promotion or more money; you have to find a new job.
badaz06@reddit
IMHO:
Titles are worthless. So if that's your big concern, you're looking at it wrong. If I'm doing something I like an d getting paid what I want, you can call me the dog poop scooper for all I care.
If you aren't doing what you want to do, then you need to figure out what is required to do that job and where your skills are lacking. Keep in mind that soft skills play an important part in the equation. Writing up issues, presenting them, communicating effectively with users and managers, having those skills make it much easier to get up the ladder.
Typically a company isn't going to promote you unless it's to their benefit. Promoting you is your job. I averaged about 3 years at most companies starting out, then I found a better job. Either better money, newer tech, or more responsibility.
WFH - I get commuting sucks. You do have choices. What is important to you? Seriously, think about it.
You can relocate. I've worked on both sides of the country and at least 5 different states. That was my choice. You dont have to, but bear in mind with each choice make you are increasing or decreasing your options.
proto_at_work@reddit
Around 13-14 years ago I was in hell desk and there was no opportunity to learn/grow at the company. I tried asking my boss if I could pickup work from one of the sysadmins and his response was essentially "do more of the same". Then they hired a foreign IT contractor company and I knew I had to get out. I managed to find a Jr. sysadmin role at a startup and learned and grew a significant amount. I eventually became a Sr. Cloud Systems Engineer with them, and am now a DevOps Engineer at a new place (the old place did layoffs). I found out the hell desk job had laid everyone off in similar roles to mine, which wasn't shocking in the slightest.
TLDR; brush up your resume, start job hunting, and take some courses.
Assumeweknow@reddit
Move companies... this is the way.
jaynz24@reddit
Junior roles are super hard to find. Things won’t just fall into your lap. You need to actively peruse them. You should be looking for jobs and applying. At the same time I would recommend talking with your manager or the manager of the team you want to be in and show interest and drive.
Wise_Guitar2059@reddit
So how does one become senior if junior roles are automated away ?
Birdonthewind3@reddit
I mean you always will have a glorified junior, ie the cheaper admin, to help a senior admin, ie we hired a junior because they are swamped with tickets but fuck you we are not paying for someone with any experience.
Wise_Guitar2059@reddit
How does a glorified junior become one in the first place if there is no path from help desk to sysadmin ?
IlPassera@reddit
Have a sysadmin take you under their wing. That's how I did it. Essentially I was a desktop support tech but handling a light sysadmin load. When I job hopped that sysadmin was more than happy to be a reference.
I got in that position by being 2 things: helpful and trusted. I proved to them that I wouldn't burn down the kingdom if they gave me some keys and in return I took a load off their plate.
Hashrunr@reddit
Right place right time. My VP told me one day to pick one of the deskside techs to help me and he became the junior sysadmin.
udum2021@reddit
Its not their problem, they will hire one.
Mrhiddenlotus@reddit
be the one doing the automating
aes_gcm@reddit
I don't know. The bottom of the ladder has been pulled up.
jaynz24@reddit
that is a huge issue. That we will pay for in the next decade. But businesses don't look at these things. Its all about the here and now
lemaymayguy@reddit
Automation, AI, offshore, MSPs, Contractors, IT SaaS simplification etc etc
It's cut throat out there if you havent already got a foot in
otobeso@reddit
Send this comment to the top.
Only thing to add is that the best time to find a new job is when you already have one.
stretchling@reddit
One thing to consider in these situations is the turnover rate of positions above you.
If you only have a few Tier 3's (or whatever is your direct next step up) and they are not going anywhere then there might not be room for you to be promoted.
Most companies can't just open up a new position, they generally have to wait until one opens up then they can move people up into it.
IlPassera@reddit
Have you tried getting a higher position or are you waiting around for it to be handed to you? Companies will promise you the moon but will almost never deliver, being in IT for 7 years you should really know this. You need to go out and find these positions and apply for them. Leverage your network, after this amount of time you should have a fairly sized network that can help you get a position once you find one.
Smiles_OBrien@reddit
I moved from MSP to K12. When I first applied to a school district job (a year or so before actually getting a new job), one of my follow up questions was "What does advancement look like in this field."
Answer: "Go somewhere else"
Their point was that people in K12 tend to stay long-term, so advancement = find a job in a different district that has just opened up.
But the more I read in this sub, the more I see that advancement in any IT field is really "Go somewhere else"
EquipmentCold8410@reddit
After a merger, I got downgraded to simple help desk tier 1 stuff when I was operating at a 2-3. I found a job at that level (2-3) and more money and upward mobility, ymmv, but it’s worth a shot at getting in somewhere that values you more
TehZiiM@reddit
Instead of leaving the industry you might want to consider looking for a different company and apply for the position you want.
Fuzzy_Paul@reddit
Move to a other company. This one is holding you down for saving bucks while earning more.
ThreadParticipant@reddit
The bigger the company the harder it is to progress.
Ohgodwatdoplshelp@reddit
“I have not received jr sysadmin, yet.” well there’s your problem, bub. Stop waiting for it happen to you. Get up, make it happen yourself at another job.
Secret_Account07@reddit
Where do you live (state) and what is your currently salary?
I had to work helpdesk for 9 years before getting a sysadmin/ops engineer position. Sometimes it takes time if you want to stay in the same org. But I’m curious about salary/benefits at current position
IronWhiskers@reddit
60% of my promotions were from changing employers. Last employer I didn’t get promoted so to speak, just lateral movements and then an acquisition that saw me “promoted” for the same pay. I moved employers to get a 40% raise and a promotion. I could’ve stayed with my last employer and gone through 2 more years of BS to “prove” that I am at a given level or move for 40% more pay and get that position now.
It’s obvious which I took! 😆
Move positions and get the position you desire. Loyalties don’t exist, especially in an age where RIFs happen and you are terminated the same day without remorse.
badchadrick@reddit
I think people put way too much on a label. Tier 2 tech vs jr system admin role? Start solving business problems, start looking at improving your processes etc and then wait for the opportunity. If you are telling yourself “I will only do this thing if I have jr system admin role” title your bosses have probably seen it and are disqualifying you from promotions. Nothing occurs in a vacuum. You have to make yourself useful outside the spec if your current job to move on to the next. A promotion doesn’t happen in a vacuum.
Suaveman01@reddit
What have you tried doing to progress so far? Any certs, homelabs, or projects?
BamCub@reddit
Out of interest what qualifications do you have?
RunningAtTheMouth@reddit
I love being loyal to a company as long as they are loyal to me.
Start looking elsewhere, and be PATIENT. The job market is not great right now, but employers will hire when they need someone. Be available. And stay put until you are ready to move. An employed person is more attractive than an unemployed person.
Escanut@reddit
Change companies OP
FarToe1@reddit
Sounds like a lack of opportunity at a specific employer that you're blaming the entire industry for.
Aevum1@reddit
im seriously considering becoming a plumber or electrician.
its "tech support" but people are actually happy when you show up and it feels like you´re doing something.
also, lets see chat GPT unclog your toilet.
Chili_Clause@reddit
Start looking for a new job, just don't quit before you find one. Something I learned from one of my professors was "it's always easier to find a job when you have a job".
rdldr1@reddit
Sure, quit. But don’t quit IT. The economy is BAD and the job market is BAD. The way you can maximize income during these shit times is to find a more tolerable IT job. Or do OnlyFans.
Chili_Clause@reddit
Up-voted for the only fans comment. 😁
gblfxt@reddit
Sounds like you work in Charlotte for boa or Wells Fargo, switch from one to another, it's not only recommended, it's encouraged! Allot of employees have been jumping back and forth forever and it's considered free training by the companies!
99JJWatt@reddit
I spent 14 years at a well known company. First 9 as a desktop administrator and then with some networking, I got lucky getting into the sysadmin group. I got in as an associate level, but I thought I would be there for the rest of time there and retire. Unfortunately, there's been multiple layoff periods with this company. I've dodged it multiple times, but this last time was a massacre.....and I got cut.
Currently going through the struggles of what to think or do with my career. I doubt there will be an associate sysadmin role out there with the pay I was getting. It's a tough world out there now....
Maximum-Diet-6976@reddit
It's not common..at least I got many times promoted or got higher salaries without asking for it. But maybe I was in a niche as well, so basically in the country where only 4 people had know how for that product.
silly_little_jingle@reddit
Sometimes you have to move on to move up.
I went from 35k a year stuck as a Tier 1 with the first good MSP I worked for. They were going outa their way to work me as a T2/T3 while paying me shit and avoiding promotion opportunitiies so I could just be a work horse. I doubled my salary in a single move and gained some of the best experience I've ever had.
Unless you work for an amazing company that takes good care of you- do not waste your loyalty on the unloyal.
quack_duck_code@reddit
Like top comment points out.
Do the 2 to 3 years and find another job. If you find a better job sooner thats fine. But always remember, if that quick found role doesn't work out your next potential employer is seeing a candidate who didn't stay at their last two positions long.
We've all been there and loyal employers are few and far between. Its good to take not on if newer staff stay, or is it only the senior staff that have been there 20-30 years that get retained. Do they give bonuses, raises, etc.. theres not always a opening to the next roll and its tough went multiple people want it.
I like my employer. They pay their help desk people about the same as the engineers and they do their job well. They arent treated as lesser employees and as a result they've all been there 15-30 years.
1-800-I-Am-A-Pir8@reddit
what do you do on your spare time?
I moved up pretty quickly but I was young and I worked or practiced in it pretty much whenever I was awake, got some good gigs doing it too. It was also a different time, so there's that.
To answer your question: I got out and do something completely different now. I enjoyed it though.
MathmoKiwi@reddit
Just upskilll and apply more
SillyRecover@reddit
Yes, you're the outlier, because no sane person waits five years for a promotion they qualify for if they desire it. It also doesn't take five years to acquire a new employer.
Legal_Situation@reddit
I've certainly seen cases where a great tech was kept at the tech level because of that very fact, when they would've made an excellent junior engineer. Based on the other comments, you've been at larger companies, which may have less ability to move upwards.
Something I personally found helpful was offering to help folks in the roles I wanted with grunt work, though this was at smaller organizations and may have paid off better there. Not to say it's a magic bullet, but it may help put your name in the right spot when a position is open.
Illustrious_Bat6577@reddit
Get the qualifications? Get certs and if they can’t promote you, leave. Invest in yourself.
Necessary_Emotion565@reddit
You need to job hop to advance your career in position and pay. No loyalty. No internal promotion.
djgizmo@reddit
ok. your career path is your choose your own destiny.
stay, leave, whatever you do, own the decision.
I spent more than a decade (1999-2013) in Tier 1 and Tier 2 support of all kinds till I finally got networking and moved on out.
Am I salty about how things turned out later than others, somedays, but it was my decision not to go after the needed certs to prove I could do it.
Most people in T1 and T2 suck at documenting their admin skills on their resume.
What does your resume show?
What do you know?
How many interviews for admin roles have you competed?
SirLoremIpsum@reddit
Have you tried moving companies?
Re-skilling into a different area?
It sounds like you hate your current job, not the industry...
Nothing is going to change unless you make the decision to change something.
SearchAtlantis@reddit
Get a new job. Your current job will never pay you your true value.
CapIbarraPlays@reddit
Time to find a new company. I’ve been in IT 4 years and just got promoted to my first Engineer role and that’s not because I’m 100% ready for it. It’s because my company believes in me and is willing to provide me the tools needed to become a successful T3.
Big_Statistician2566@reddit
Why are you not applying for another job?
Look, IT isn’t like a lot of jobs. If you want to move up, get market rate raises, and stay somewhat on the leading edge you have to be willing to move around a bit.
Start by applying for Jr admin positions in another company. After a year or so if they aren’t promoting start looking for an admin position. Couple more years and you look for an IT Manager.
MickCollins@reddit
It's not easy to get a sysadmin title. I've tried to explain these to the guy who is now senior tech (sort of "supervisor" but not really) over seven others.
I've been with the company I'm at nearly four years. I asked a senior sysadmin title two years ago, and I asked it for the other guy who's above me as well because he has the same level as me, he's just been there longer. I think they know if they give it to just him and not me I'm out the door.
I'm already looking for someplace to get a senior title I should have had 10 years ago. I had an opportunity I could not take (moving internationally and stepkids, 'nuff said) that would have led to me being a manager but shit happens. The job after that flushed five years of my career down the toilet. After that I escaped elsewhere but that job went downhill after they canned my manager - the one who gave a fuck about us and was not a corporate robot. Then life shit happened (as it does when us adults hit middle age) and I had to leave that job due to said life and death shit.
Everyone's journey is different, but all are harder than they used to be. Companies feel no loyalty to you any more; as such, conversely you should feel no loyalty to them. Like /u/BisonThunderclap said: stop being loyal. Move to something to improve your title and hopefully money. If you can find something supervisory, take it and leverage that experience and maybe you can move into IT Management.
I wish you good fortune in the wars to come.
MonolithicErik@reddit
Go work for a Consulting Firm/VAR/Vendor Partner. You will have lots of opportunities for training, advancement and experience a variety of technologies across a broad spectrum of environments. The work is way more demanding than an admin role within a company but you will never be bored or stagnant.
Surreal7niner@reddit
Why are you waiting to receive something, go out and get and talk about the things you’re doing to get it.
tech-brah@reddit
What do you expect, a job delivered to you on a silver platter?
eejjkk@reddit
Exactly. When I want something, I go get.
eejjkk@reddit
If you aren’t given deserved promotions, go elsewhere and GET them.
YeastyPants@reddit
I worked for 20 years in IT until I recently retired. You are going to need to change jobs. Over 20 years I moved at least 7 times because once you reach the max pay range, it's time to start looking. Each move I increased my salary 15 to 20%. It was the only way to keep advancing my career and pay. I'm not sure how it is now, but from reading posts here, it seems it's even harder now to switch and pay bump now to AI.
CertifiableX@reddit
What are those qualifications? Do you meet them?
Seriously, I have at least two lower level techs that I would love to promote, but the job market is so bad that roles that would normally turnover, aren’t doing so. Until the job market gets back to normal, good luck. If it helps, I’m in the same boat.
hobovalentine@reddit
If you want a more senior role you may need to look at smaller companies that will give you added responsibilities but perhaps not much of a pay increase if you're a FTE at a major company.
You are competing with highly experienced and qualified candidates so it's pretty tough getting a promotion the larger a company is.
Pale-Price-7156@reddit
5 years is the max you should stay at any company in IT. I wish it werent like this, and to be quite honest, that number is approaching 3 years, the way things are going.
NSA is the way.
Never Stop Applying.
skat_in_the_hat@reddit
Apply elsewhere. I built 2 of this company's 3 products. I was a Senior Engineer there for 10 years. They wouldnt seem to ever promote me to a Principal Engineer. I expressed interest, gave them a few years to see the value, and I left for a nice fat raise at another company.
MrMeeseeksAnswers@reddit
Is it 4x4
OkDimension@reddit
Most of us want to become goat farmers. Seems the other goat farmers are off the grid today.
twisted-logic@reddit
You’ve been in 7 years, nearly 5 of which are as T2.. why are you looking for Junior roles ??
Hurri1cane1@reddit (OP)
Should I just start busting ass and applying to Sr roles?
twisted-logic@reddit
I don’t see why not. Most places looking for senior positions are usually 7-10+ years. Maybe just look for something with out a senior or junior prefix too.
jpv1031@reddit
If you are at the same company just waiting around for it to happen then you should apply to another company for the specific role your experience justifies. Most IT professionals early in their career change companies every 2 - 4 years to advance. Good luck with your goals, don't give up.
Karogh24@reddit
Find a new opportunity.
Techwarrior13@reddit
I quit my it job and am becoming an a&p mechanic. I could not find an it job for months after my last job let me go. Too competitive
ProfoundTacoDream@reddit
You gotta leave. Writings on the wall when they pass you up. The proverbial carrot on a stick is always used to motivate you. I’ve had to leave a job for a new one to get to the next level several times. Never burn your bridges and leave the door ajar for the future. But leave for future growth.
MikeD270@reddit
I've only worked a few places in my career but I've done MSP, contracting, and working directly for a company. My experience has always been if you can learn fast and step in wherever help is needed and take ownership it's pretty easy to move into system admin type roles. While I feel like IT jobs are harder to find because of the flood of applicants I feel like once you're in a place there are usually a smaller percentage of really strong IT people. Management is usually desperate to plug someone into a much needed role because they don't want to pay to bring someone in.
Where you work might not be that way but I feel like so many places are so don't be afraid to leave for something else if the opportunities aren't really there. Also always be humble enough to look in the mirror and work on your weaknesses, don't let yourself fall in the trap of thinking it's always someone else's fault you're not in the role you want. Don't give up either, especially if IT is your passion, life is so much better doing a job you actually enjoy vs leaving for another field you don't love.
Also always be learning, not just tests but also practice things in a home lab. When I was first getting into IT all the service desk guys home projects and lab setups but now it shocks me how few guys do.
Good luck to you man!
Hurri1cane1@reddit (OP)
Thank you for this! I’ll keep trucking!
Recent_Perspective53@reddit
Then leave
verschee@reddit
Stop focusing on roles and titles and focus on actually developing.
Hurri1cane1@reddit (OP)
I did, I even paid out of my own pocket for certs as they didn’t offer any reimbursement opportunities as well have learned how to script and (very poorly) code in Python. I am not a lazy individual by any means. However as many have said, I think the issue is that I wasted my time in an organization who does actually develop talent. I do have a new opportunity at a smaller company and I’m going to just put my face to the grindstone and show my worth.
verschee@reddit
I saw in another comment that you have quite a few CompTia+ certs and AZ104, so that should definitely help. In my first couple years, the team I was on was overly saturated and it was very difficult to make an impression, but I bugged and pestered senior admins in my team to help them automate mundane tasks. That helped me stand out and eventually led to more responsibility. Regardless you should have plenty of that opportunity in a smaller company. Sometimes I miss that role.
RestinRIP1990@reddit
Yeah I always see things like this , and people need to realize that 10 years of helpdesk experience still isn't even 1 year of Sysadmin , or other infrastructure work. It is a different trajectory that you need to apply yourself to learn the ropes of. Chances are you aren't getting any experience in any of the meat and potatoes of the work.
RobotBaseball@reddit
You do not get given anything in life. It must be earned or taken
forfucksakewhatnow@reddit
As an IT manager, my recommendation is to apply for Jr SysAdmin roles elsewhere while you're still employed. Unfortunately in order to promote someone, you need to have a vacant role for them to fill. Its not like you can just 'reward' someone because they have paid their dues with time. This is one of the hardest parts of managing a large team. Its rare that L1/L2 service desk person is happy to stay in that role for more than a couple years.
VDX7@reddit
I’m literally in the same position. I’ve been working in IT for 8 years and have changed jobs twice (3 IT jobs total), but I’ve always been stuck in support roles. Over the past two years, I’ve completed some challenging certifications and continuing education, and now I’m hoping that someone from another team leaves so I can apply for their position as sys engineer.
I’ve also been considering doing a Bachelor’s degree in Software Engineering & AI, since I’ve mostly worked in system engineering so far. Maybe that could help me move into a DevOps role or something similar. I’ve also thought about switching industries, but what options would even make sense? I’d basically have to start from scratch and work my way up again. And honestly, the fields I’m interested in don’t pay very well.
TheCurrysoda@reddit
One big issue that isn't mention yet, is how rare those positions open up due how many of the senior guys just stay in that position and retire there. Sys admin seats are taken and there's little to no change due to how cush the job is.
You really gotta find a new opportunity if there isn't any growth happening.
BlessTheHour@reddit
Lol. I've been in IT for 23 years. Started when I was 15 in the help desk, and I am 38 now.
No degree. No certificates.
That's the business. As long as your wage is going up. That's what counts. I've been tier 2 making 20 bucks an hour, and tier 1 making 30 bucks an hour. Now I'm a sys admin configuring servers, basically making the same as my highest paid help desk position.
It's a chaotic field. Degrees and certificates help, as I feel the ceiling without them. But it's still chaotic and always has been. Two different could pay you drastically different wages for the same role and workload. You have to shop around.
Tallox555@reddit
The general rule for IT is to get a new job every 2 years or so. Some may be same position-better pay, but often it'll be promotions. Loyalty is dead in big companies. Sad but true
Rich_Shame9806@reddit
This is gonna sound shitty but it’s probably your personality. Every time I hear this complaint it’s because someone is technically qualified but has no bedside manner
Hurri1cane1@reddit (OP)
I have many good recommendations and am very coachable as well as take criticism very well. I used to be an electrician before stepping into IT and the only reason I quit being an electrician being seriously injured on the job, so I’m not the common computer nerd who usually enters this industry. I definitely agree though this is a common complaint from people who are not very nice.
-King-K-Rool-@reddit
Companies that will actually move you up and give you appropriate pay raises are few and far between. If you want to advance your career id suggest not spending more than 2-3 years per company honestly. Thats just how the tech industry is. If you havent got your promotion by year 2 start looking for it elsewhere.
Also you have 7 years experience as a level 2, dont even bother with the Jr SysAdmin role, just apply for SysAdmin, theres no reason to limit yourself to Jr.
But also, what have you been doing for 7 years? Do you have certs and experience or have you been content resetting passwords and reimaging laptops for 7 years? If youre 7 years in with jo projects or certs and have been sitting at glorified help desk with no advancement that looks bad, I see that on a resume and I think "why did this dude sit in help desk for that long? Is he terrible at everything?" Make effort to improve yourself if you want to i prove your situation.
BrokenPickle7@reddit
I only got sys admin position by job hopping. I'd work at the place until I learned everything, ask for a promotion. If no, I start looking (I actually start looking before I ask for the promotion).
FactMuch6855@reddit
Please quit IT. With the storm that's coming, we don't need you. We
Coldwarjarhead@reddit
I just hope the storm holds off for a few more years. 39 months until I can collect enough on SS to say to hell with this.
hinkiedidntwantjah@reddit
Find an MSP that gives lots of opportunities to gain experience. I started getting paid TERRIBLY but it was great because I learned so much. I said yes to everything for 2.5 years when I first started. Learned enough to build the rest of my career off of it. Every problem dig through and understand the why. It builds a knowledge base that will carry you.
d3fd@reddit
With all those skills you shouldn't fail the dick measuring contest of it certs for another position... Your situation sounds like most of us..under appreciated under paid all under the guide of opportunity.
Anyone know a good course in narcissism? Seems like that's paying well atm
LongAd2475@reddit
It's common... I want to quit as well, but I'm hanging in there for the time being
waxwayne@reddit
Let hate flow through you, leave IT!
Dave_A480@reddit
There are essentially no promotions in this business. You have to job hop.
jasper-zanjani@reddit
you have to make a lateral move to another company, there's very little in the way of in-house promotion these days (if there ever was)
spaaackle@reddit
Always bet on yourself. If they don’t value you for what you think you are then move on. However…
Pingu_87@reddit
It's easier to get more varied experience with small companies. Large companies want you to do one thing really good.
I worked for a few small companies and and when to a large one once I had all my experience in the position I wanted to be in.
BestPie477@reddit
You have to move on.
c_pardue@reddit
new job. spend a year in finding a jr sysadmin job.
what's the worst that can happen, you simply don't find it but continue to earn skills at work?
Hurri1cane1@reddit (OP)
I think this is what I will do.
c_pardue@reddit
i did it when at an MSP, turned down many okay-ish offers, and landed a dream job. took just shy of a year. i didn't even expect to get hired at this job, i had just interviewed for practice. i still work at that dream job today.
StarSlayerX@reddit
The way I broke out of Tier 2 was quitting my current job and joining an MSP. 50-60 hour work weeks for 3 years working all sorts of projects while providing technical support over the phone. When I left the MSP I took a 20k pay raise as a System Engineer for SMB.
ManyInterests@reddit
How many such roles have you applied to, how many interviews have you done? What markets are you looking in?
Tech jobs in general have just been tough to get for the past year or two in the United States. I know of many highly skilled engineers who can't get jobs after 6+ months of applying to new jobs on a daily basis, even in tech-dominated metropolitan cities. It's tough right now.
Keep trying and keep making yourself a more attractive candidate.
1kfaces@reddit
You don’t need to leave the industry; you need to leave the organization.
Ay0_King@reddit
You’re not being valued, leave. I’m in the same boat. Been in my role 4 years and took on some personal projects, without being asked, in modernizing what my team does. I’ve built more solutions in 2 months than the senior techs that have all been there 25+ months. I using the experience, creating a portfolio, and going somewhere where I am valued.
usa_reddit@reddit
Move to a new job.
paishocajun@reddit
I think that's what OP is trying to do
thisisnotdave@reddit
What have you done to increase your skill set? In my experience people who can learn quickly on the job and are self starters move up quickly, assuming the company you work for is half decent of promoting from with in. People who don’t develop their skills on their own and show initiative tend to languish.
AlexEatsBurgers@reddit
What qualifications do you have?
Hurri1cane1@reddit (OP)
I’m Network+, AZ-104, Server+ and Security+ certified and have fixed so much it’d take a minute to list. I’ve displayed the ability to Automate and script, and yet I still can’t seem to land an admin role despite having the knowledge.
bigx6453@reddit
Teach yourself anything utilizing agentic AI and get out of the support side of things. This is the way.
StochasticLife@reddit
Get out there in the wilds and apply for things you think you can learn.