Staying Healthy/Mobile while aging
Posted by DeliciouslyAvg@reddit | preppers | View on Reddit | 27 comments
Ok, so I am active. Like rucking 2-30 miles weekly with 40-50lbs, working out 2-3 times a week etc. I am 40, active duty and relatively healthy. That said I have concerns with long term. I know I am not as strong as I was a decade ago, and I am not as resilient. I can still run and gun but I know that time is dwindling because younger guys can just move faster.
So I am trying to find suggestions on how to “bullet proof” my body and be as fit as possible, so I am reaching out. Major concerns:
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Lack of mobility: I have broken my back and had numerous lower extremity injuries but worked back from it. I had medical care. How do I mitigate some of this if SHTF? Specifically worried about lower back and knees. Yoga? Stretching? Sauna? I also know falls kill more folks in older age.
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Illness. I have a family, none of us have illnesses requiring long term meds but that terrifies me. Like in One Second After the daughter dying from being a diabetic. Add that to older age stuff like dementia/Alzheimers how do I mitigate this? Also I can only stock up on so much medicine and once you open it you start the countdown to depletion. Again worried about mobility to perform chores/life/defend etc
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What fitness things do you all focus on? I am a big proponent of what Dr Lyons (Forever Strong) recommends with get as much muscle as possible, because of decline with age, but that’s one source of any fitness gurus I would be interested in your take.
I think I am so fixed on this topic because maybe midlife crisis, as well as health is one of the major things I think benefit either SHTF or if things remain steady state.
Thanks for any advice or links so I can do more research.
JRHLowdown3@reddit
Over 50 here, still do combatives 3X a week (grappling, striking, empty hand versus knife, etc.) and currently the wife and I are doing The Murph challenge 2X a week in preparation for the end of May when we do it with a bunch of like minded friends.
Breathing and relaxation is going to help you a lot. I would check and see if there is a Systema training group near you, be willing to drive a bit, it's worth it. Not only is the combative aspect good but they have a strong health aspect as well.
About 10 years while grappling and passing half guard, the guy on bottom kept a grip on my ankle with his feet. He turned the wrong way or I turned the wrong way, anywhoo - "SNAAAAAAP" sounded like a rope broke. About 20 people stopped fighting and stared at me- they all knew what that sound was.... I immediately went into some of the recovery breathing from Systema. Later after MRI was told it was a partial tear of MCL, doc said "could have been worse." I walked out of the gym that day on my own.
I use these breathing exercises regularly outside of training and in other aspects of life outside of martial aspects.
Most of our students in grappling get hurt not because of a specific technique, but because they were entirely too tense when trying to escape. This can apply to weightlighting, your cardio PT, etc. Your body works harder for no reason when you are working with unnecessary tension in it.
I would definitely start taking things like MSM and glucosamine, Calcium Citrate w/D, collagen and gelatin and other stuff for your joints regularly. While I've seen younger guys who don't take care of themselves struggle with injuries a lot longer, I will usually heal up a little quicker from an injury due to the above as well as the differences in tension, etc.
If your jogging/running regularly your heart is likely in decent shape overall, outside of genetics, big pharma crap you may be on that is affecting it (lot of folks having heart issues due to clot shot, not hard to research that).
Sauna is the shizzle. When we travel for work I try to pick someplace with a spa if I can. When not working that's where I am at. One day I need to build a proper dry sauna at the homestead.
Stretching definitely helps as well as regular massages.
Drink at least a gallon of pure distilled water every day. Limit the alcohol, stay up with your supplements and don't go crazy with the caffeine.
I'm a dozen'ish years older than you and this is working for me.
And thank you for your service!
DeliciouslyAvg@reddit (OP)
First off thanks so much for the long reply. And Murph 2x a week, my brother in Christ you are a beast (so is your missus).
I am working on breath work (mostly Wim Hoff for cold stuff but it works) but I have not done MMA in about 2 years. I KNOW I am wired tight like most military folks. Relaxation is very hard because I just struggle with slowing down. I likely have hyper vigilance from deploying. So this is an aspect I suppose I really need to work on.
Will look at the joint supplements, was hoping I want there yet but guess I might be. Still think I’m 25.
Had some complications from the shot I was forced to take but cleared up and ekg and bloodwork shows I’m pretty good cardiovascular wise.
Any portable saunas you’d recommend? I am still active duty so I can’t build until I’m ready to homestead.
Don’t drink, do drink a gallon of water a day from my Berky, and yeah I could do less caffeine.
JRHLowdown3@reddit
Don't know about portable saunas, I know a few guys that have those electric ones and they swear by them. I've been in them, but like the old skewl feel/heat of the gas ones.
Systema is big on breath work and I've seen where that has played out in other aspects of life besides PT and combatives. From a survival aspect dealing with stress, reducing your heart rate, etc. is worth it alone.
I hear ya on the caffeine. Are you taking any creatine? Started some of the pills maybe mid last year and could tell a difference in energy levels, just two small pills a day. The mix with liquid powder wasn't for me, very hard to keep down for me for some reason.
One thing that helps me regularly if the day was overly stressful, or I'm holding some excess tension from PT or from grappling, etc. is just doing a knuckle pushup hold- plank. Keeping your spine straight head slightly up and just hold that while breathing. Kinda like this-
A couple minutes of this and it's really just all about the breathing. My best years ago was 7 1/2 minutes, I was a little younger then :) Normally do 2-3 minutes of hold then a few slow pushups to cleanse tension with the breathwork. Back in the day I heard of a guy in S. FL that did a hold like this for 93 minutes... Met him at a seminar, very nice guy, shorter thinner guy that conventional thinking would say "didn't look very strong." We get muscled up gym rats come in and train combatives with us and a lot of them have issues with even a minute of a plank hold like this. Then after training we let them spar with the kids or the littlest guys or gals in the gym. I love to watch the astonished looks when a 13 year old girl is choking out a muscled up dude 3X her size!!! One of the other instructors usually messes with them afterwards if he knows them- "You know that guy that just beat you? He's 12 years old, did you know that?" I told him that's not the way to get new students LMAO.
Academic_Win6060@reddit
Well, dayum, you two sound like Mr & Mrs Incredible!
I've never heard of the Murph challenge, or Sistema, so just looked them up. Eyes about popped outta my head with how far away from the Murph challenge I am, lol!
And Sistema looks like an incredible discipline to master! Reminds me of a lion. Like how cats are so relaxed all the time and are able to just spring into powerful movement in an instant without tension and also once airborne to land softly/lightly. The ones that do get tense find themselves in a very defensive frightened posture. The tension is where injury happens. Very cool rabbit hole I've just stumbled across. I'm instantly looking forward to exploring deeper. Thanks 🙏
JRHLowdown3@reddit
Systema is a great martial art. If you look at videos, try to find ones by folks like Martin Wheeler. Some of the English speaking instructors explain things in a more of a "Western" style of learning than do the Russians. In the end, "The System" is really designed for personal usage, i.e, not a set of "techniques" of which to learn, or worse yet "forms and katas" and crap like that. In other orders, when you watch videos or see instruction of Systema, you might see multiple answers (examples) on how to work against more or less the same attack. Whereas in something like BJJ we focus on learning techniques and then fitting that technique into a certain sequence/position to attack from, etc.
On The Murph- we usually substitute exercises for some of the pullups. 100 pullups, even in 10 different sets is a helluva lot. Although we had one guy's wife last year do 100 pullups in one set!!! Using an assistance band but still... She was a beast! I'll usually do some pullups, some rows to get to that number and also a little more of the run after the 2 miles- running back and encouraging some of our friends, running with the wife who runs a lot slower, etc. If I had the choice I'd run 4 miles if that got me out of the exercises ;)
jayfactor@reddit
Stretching stretching stretching + yoga, I dam near stopped working out for strength to working out for function
Historical_Course587@reddit
I'm 40, and I've been involved in studying middle-aged fitness for some time. Things to know:
My wife is on substance-controlled medications; her life as we know it ends the second her meds run out. Unfortunately, there isn't that much that can be done beyond keeping a supply, having a backup plan to procure more from another country, and then accepting fate and focusing on more productive living and prepping. For old-age mental stuff, you can mitigate it to an extent with a healthy diet, exercise, and staying mentally engaged with learning. Good learning like textbooks and quizzes and book reports, not just face-rolling through Duo Lingo to keep your streak alive. It's also good to have a plan regarding what happens if people start to slip.
Can't control it all; don't waste your life worrying about it.
The general consensus in the medical community is 150-300 minutes of aerobic exercise per week, and 2+ resistance training sessions. For older folks (40+), I do and recommend the following:
Historical_Course587@reddit
There is a growing body of evidence that muscle mass, while it does offer injury-prevention benefits, strains the cardiovascular system in the same way stored fat does. While it's true that we lose muscle mass over time, the health concerns are mitigated with eating properly and engaging in fundamental resistance training, so gaining/maintaining maximum mass on your frame shouldn't be the main priority for long term health.
Dr. Lyon also throws numerous red flags for me personally, and I don't feel that influencers can manage to make influencing a career AND maintain a quality scientific platform. My issues with her:
In contrast, check out Greg Nuckols' Stronger by Science platform. Articles that aren't buzzwordy or trendy, that get updated as the science gets published instead of being reposted ten different ways for clicks, and his podcast that pretty much does the same thing. He talks like your college professors did, not like he's trying to sell something. He sells coaching, he helps developing lifting routines for competition, he sells a macro management app. No shitty line of books promising to change your life, no supplements, no rebranded Alibaba pull-up bars. Best of all, he started a subscription-based publication that collected and dissected peer-reviewed research as it hit the presses, and he ultimately left that company because he just didn't feel there was enough new science to populate a publication with.
I wish we had more people in nutrition and fitness who approach them the way Nuckols approaches strength training and hypertrophy.
Miss_L_Worldwide@reddit
All day pace, my friend.
Young, "faster" people haven't learned this lesson, by and large.
rstevenb61@reddit
I’m pushing 70, an Army vet. I still do pushups, stretch, and alternate with yoga and tai chi daily. As soon as it warms up I’ll start walking more. I garden and still help with chores around the house. Just stay active, get sleep and try to eat healthy. Those are the magic bullets.
JRHLowdown3@reddit
Very well said, +1
LakeAdventurous7161@reddit
40 years old, one major issue (fused spine over 15 vertebrae from surgery because of that's how severe scoliosis is treated), otherwise healthy.
I could never (!) haul those 40 lbs, I cannot really run, and as you could imagine, I'm not the one who can squeeze into small spaces or do anything where you have to bend your back.
What matters to me:
* Doing as much as I can. Knowing how I can do it.
E.g.: Not relying on too much help. There are a few things I just cannot do (carrying things too heavy, bend my back), but it matters to me to get through everyday life as far as possible without help. Grocery shopping, cleaning, getting something moderately heavy (e.g. canning pot) out of the lower shelf, getting somewhat under that sink if there is a leakage... I also walk a lot (including hiking). Knowing how to move things that are too heavy for me to carry them. (Workplace has the 20 l drinking water canisters. "Normal" people carry those, I can't. Last week, there was nobody there except me and I managed it to get one out of the storage, and to a building 50 m away safely by tipping it over onto its side and slowly rolling it.)
For grocery shopping, I have a decent cart - not one of those wire-basket carts, but a better one. Helps me doing my grocery shopping on my own, helps me buying stuff at yard sales, also helpful with garden work. I rather do it like this, even if I might sometimes need more time, than rely on such as grocery delivery or "I ask my husband".
* Taking care of my health for all the things where I can do it. E.g.: reasonable weight, eating healthy, taking care of my teeth... Not ruining my health with such as improper footwear (which is worn especially by women, and I'm female), not ruining my health with such as those sports I for sure cannot do.
Generally: Not getting lazy, being active in everyday situations.
Btw.: Falls and the lower back and knees are also my biggest concerns.
Public-Significance7@reddit
There are areas of Japan where the inhabitants all have a curious way of living into their 100’s. They never go to a gym, see a nutritionist, or take any vitamins. They stay active, walking to and from their gardens where they plant and harvest fresh vegetables, dance every evening, and have deep social contacts with their fellow villagers. The western culture has made attaining longevity some big mystery when it’s really not. Live simply, stay active, and don’t make life too complicated.
Wolf_Oak@reddit
My dad stopped jogging sometime in his 40s because it killed his knees. Now he still does long walks and he’s nearing 80.
You’ve already had an injury so you know what it’s like, but when an older person gets injured is how they can then lose mobility. So listen to your body and don’t overdo things. As you age you might need to add an extra day between heavier workouts to let your body recover. And always watch out for falls. You’re more likely to get injured in a silly accident in your home so don’t think you can stand on the sofa to fix that lightbulb, etc.
Also, yoga. I’ve had three different types of doctors tell me to do yoga for different reasons. It’s good for all types of health.
norfolkgarden@reddit
Absolutely, your number one goal is to avoid injuries while training.
You're number two Goal is to avoid injuries while training. Slow, negative form. Never "max" weight.
Strength training is important for maintaining bone density. HIIT is good for heart rate variability. Calisthenics is helpful.
Gentle! Proper! Squats. Go slowly. Only go as far as your knees will allow. Try videoing it. It's really the only way to tell 1) how bad your form is right now, 2) you're actually making incremental progress. And a year later, it's good for a laugh and a relief to know that you have improved.
Google youtube.com for the "top 5" exercises you should be doing to prevent aging.
Sit to stands, ankle mobility, calf raises, toe exercises, thighs, L sits for when you can do it without injury, Gentle upper body work focusing on core strength. Some of the "grandma's chair exercises" are actually pretty important. The good news is that really old people can do them for a recliner.
Lol, if you're in the mood for a good beat down, try a beginner pilates class. You will never look at them the same way again.... make sure it's a beginner's class.
Anonymo123@reddit
Daily yoga and stretching for sure. I'm 51 and daily yoga at home for 10-15 min has changed my life. I watch Sean Vigue on YouTube for mens yoga.
kaptainkatsu@reddit
Daily stretching and muscle release has been more and more important for my overall muscular health as I’ve gotten older. Turning 40 this year.
Academic_Win6060@reddit
Aging is mostly caused by some combination of inflammation and oxidation. Do what you can to combat both and you'll slow the clock.
Middle age with some general aches and inflammation - would wake up and not be able to make a tight fist due to hand/joint swelling, or wake with occasional hip and knee aches or the same from a moderate hike or exercise. Went carnivore and almost immediately felt a difference. Did carnivore for a year and that was the best I've felt in my life. But I missed some foods (occasional berries, watermelon, a salad...), so now I eat more keto/paleo but include intermittent fasting, and have maintained. I don't have weight to lose, sleep better, don't wake up with inflammation, eyesight actually improved, have more energy than 10 years ago. Now my only real concern is maintaining muscle mass for the next few decades.
Fairly recently learned about dry fasting (look up August Dunning's The Phoenix Protocol or his yt), so now I also incorporate that every now and again to maximize autophagy, produce more stem cells, and get rid of senescent cells. It's good stuff, at least for me and some others that have been doing it awhile.
Cut your carbs. Carbs are the main cause of inflammation. Include more healthy fats in your diet - but don't eat them with carbs! Have the fatty cut of meat but not with that baked potato or on bread. Eat less frequently. Lift, push, and pull heavy things - even if it's just your body weight. Move your body. Know your ego so you can know your limitations and not hurt yourself, bcuz it takes longer to heal as you get older. Maybe try a basic few minute lymphatic massage almost daily to help the body take out the trash (check out Big 6 video on Stop Chasing Pain yt channel).
It's not hard to stay healthy and sharp. And letting things slide can start a cascade that's harder to dig out from under. Start where your at and celebrate small victories and you'll be totally awesome and unstoppable before you know it!
nakedonmygoat@reddit
Have you talked to a sports doctor? If not, I highly recommend getting a referral, especially since you've had specific injuries that could come back to bite you if you don't train the right way as you get older. In your position I would especially want to know how to strengthen and protect your back. A sports doctor's only goal in life is to get you back in the game, which is why that's who you need to see. A lot of other docs will give you unhelpful, and often cowardly advice.
Do you have knee trouble, or is this only a concern for the future? In general, if you've had no knee injuries, you have good form and gait, and you don't have a genetic predisposition, ordinary exercises and stretches that any PT can teach you will be fine. People make a big deal about running and other exercise being bad for the knees, but that's only true if one or more of the three risk factors I've already mentioned aren't in play. There are too many reputable sources for me to post here but you can google it.
Ankle flexibility is a good one for body stability as well as speed. You can do point and flex and circles one way, then the other, while you're watching TV. If, like most men, you have stiff ankles, you may have to gently stretch your forefoot down with your hands until you get more flexible. Never stretch to the point of pain. Just keep at it. I took ballet for 9 years off and on and even when I twist an ankle, I don't fall.
I strongly recommend the book "Becoming a Supple Leopard." You won't regret it. This book is the bible of endurance sport athletes.
Leopold_Porkstacker@reddit
I retired after 20 years and here it is 20 years after that.
I used to smoke and dip while in. Peripheral vascular disease and COPD finally put an end to that 5 years ago when I had to get arterial bypasses and arterial implants in my belly and legs.
I used to eat the traditional breakfast and dinners with all the fats and carbs and other good shit.
GERD and Gallbladder stones and surgery put an end to that diet.
Used to drink like a fish, common sense and kidney stents stopped that shit. Good thing the liver can kind of regenerate.
My torn meniscus in the knees, degenerative arthritis in the back and torn plantar fasciitis in my feet really wished I had stopped rucking a 40 pound pack for funsies for 10 years after I retired.
I concentrate on stretching, walking, and simple yoga. I do light workouts with light dumbbells. I found a physical therapist on YouTube that specializes in over 50 individuals.
I guess my point is that you did too much to your body in the past and it sounds like you are still doing that. Time to ease up on heavy weights and rucks or you will be paying the price at 60 years old, and wondering why when you “did everything right” when you were young.
Stewart_Duck@reddit
Best advice I can give is what I got from my aunt. She's 72 and a marathon runner. She said "just don't stop." At 43, I feel it's the truth. I still lift weights daily and try to run a 5k every morning. Sure the weights aren't as heavy and my times aren't what they used to be, but I have too many friends my age that because of works, kids, other excuse, stopped really doing any physical activity, put on 30-40lbs and now have a bunch of health problems. Everything can be an excuse not to exercise, but we have to keep it up. Just adjust accordingly.
MoxieGirl9229@reddit
Take care of your body well now. Yoga, vitamins and supplements, enough water and sleep daily. Be as healthy as you can be and stay that way. Think of ways to do things if you were hurting. My back and knees are messed up too. Make sure you are wearing the right shoes. There are many ways to do things that do not hurt but help your back and knees. Do those now. Like I have a small wagon that I use to haul things around the house and to/from the car (groceries). It minimizes the chances of me injuring my back. Live a minimalist life style… so there is less for you to do and you won’t wear out your body as fast. Let the young-ins do the work while you save your body for when it’s absolutely necessary. If they offer to lift something, I take them up on the offer. That doesn’t mean I’m getting old and lazy. I could do it. I’m smart enough to know I need to protect my body, and letting someone else take the risk of injury is worth it and so I put my pride over to side. For something like dementia do puzzles everyday. It exercises your brain and helps to stave it off. To defend… get dogs. Train them well and they will always have your back. Slow and steady wins the race. Getting older is all about working smarter not harder.
7o7A1@reddit
home cooking, daily long walks 8k-20k steps, occasional kayaking and biking, spa/sauna for detoxing. gardening also makes me spend time outdoors. i am still overweight tho. 57yo.
Jolopy4099@reddit
Have you seen the weighted vests they have on amazon. Could help you add physical weight to yourself when you plan to walk. Can slowly add more as you get in better shape.
BallsOutKrunked@reddit
Knocking on 50.
I've been strength training (ala mark rippetoe) for 20 years. One of the best things I did with my life. Squat rack and bumper plates in my basement.
I try to lift twice a week and run twice a week. I walk a lot, eat a lot of fiber, and good protein.
For sickness we're pretty good about managing respiratory infections. When we built our house i designed my office to double as a sick room. Has its own toilet, sink, and erv creates negative pressure. You can't fix cancer at home, but a lot of junk if managed properly at home with a good environment, fluids, and otc meds is solve-able.
Many-Health-1673@reddit
I will be 51 this year. The muscle idea is oversold to me.
Functional exercise, with flexibility and mobility as a key is what you need as you get older.
I am stopping my sets in dumbbell exercises with what I wanted up with 10 years ago. A torn shoulder or torn ligaments will set you back months if not permanently.
GunnCelt@reddit
I’m a 56 y/o veteran with blown out knees, hips and back. Over the last year, I’ve become a bit stagnant and put on almost 30 lbs when I developed tendinitis in my left elbow. Up to that point, I had a daily workout program and that injury kind of put me in a bad space.
I recently got in board with a PT program (T.E.N.S. I think). Basically, it’s electro shock on some of my injured areas. This offers some short term pain relief for recovery from workouts. I’m working off the extra weight on a treadmill and stationary bike. I work on my micro homestead and am at the range weekly with run and gun. I’m fixing my diet, too.
The long and short of it is that as we age, things don’t work like they did when we were in our 20’s and need to find things that work for us. What works for you may not work for me. I wish there was a magic bullet, trust me