anon sto.... WOAH WTFFFF

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JRFCSS@reddit

Isn't this the point of having weapons in the US? So that the authorities can't take over and abuse their power?

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The problem is that the political side notoriously pro guns is (mostly) fine with the crimes committed by the current government, while the side taking (justified) issues with their current government kindly disarmed themselves (or were never armed), thinking they would never need to deal with a tyrannical government.

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RealitySubsides@reddit

Maybe initially, but at this point we need guns because the police are inept/lazy and much of the country is very rural. If someone's breaking into my house (in a suburb of a major city, in a nice upper middle class area) I'll probably get decent response time if I call the cops. Someone in a bad neighborhood or deep in the country won't. We have too many guns at this point, the cats out of the bag, strict laws/expensive taxes only hurt the law abiding and the poor.

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InquisitorMeow@reddit

That's only because they made zero effort to actually control guns. Make illegal gun ownership a crime with 50 years in jail and see how quickly people stop owning them.

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Gary_FucKing@reddit

Draconian laws and prohibition have historically worked out well for all.

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InquisitorMeow@reddit

No one is saying we should have draconian laws, just pointing out that just throwing up your hands and saying that it's impossible to clean up guns is stupid af. Could offer trade ins, can restrict any new guns from being sold, can put heavy taxes on ammunition, etc but have we tried anything at all? Nope.

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boeing_737-Max-9@reddit

YOU proposed draconian laws dawg you just said you wanted to jail illegal gun owners for a minimum of 50 years, that’s unhinged

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InquisitorMeow@reddit

Its an extreme example to show that "oh no there's too many guns now nothing we try can ever work" is bs. There are plenty of things that can still be done to properly control guns we've just done none of it. I give plenty of non draconian examples but you chose to ignore it.

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k0unitX@reddit

I don't want my tax dollars being spent to house and feed inmates for 50 years because they carried a gun once

You can fund it if you want, but it won't be me

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boeing_737-Max-9@reddit

These examples being… death sentence for murder via firearm? The pinnacle of draconian law; the death sentence?

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k0unitX@reddit

Even the Dems wouldn't support this because it would "disproportionately affect blacks"

And of course the hard Rep stance is "shall not be infringed"

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Grompulon@reddit

Studies show that severe punishments for crime do little to actually deter crime. Largely because most crimes are impulsive and/or opportunistic rather than rational.

Additionally, with how openly corrupt and evil the US government is, I will always strongly oppose the death penalty. I do not think the thugs that run our country should ever have power over life and death.

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PuffinRub@reddit

most crimes are impulsive and/or opportunistic rather than rational.

How easy is it to impulsively buy a gun? I thought there was a mandatory x hour waiting period in addition to strict background checks. I understand there's little restriction on private sales but would someone really be stupid enough to privately sell a weapon to someone they didn't know?

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Grompulon@reddit

I was more so referring to the murder via guns being an instant death sentence. But even then, the chance of being caught is usually a much greater deterrent than the actual severity of the punishment. There isn't much difference between a 10-year, 20-year, or 50-year sentence in the eyes of someone who is going to do something like purchase a gun illegally; their risk assessment is going to focus more on the odds of actually getting found out regardless of the sentence.

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InquisitorMeow@reddit

I dunno, Japan and Singapore have strict laws and they seem to do just fine with crime. Also it's interesting when you talk about severe punishments when we have a history of throwing people in jail for decades with weed and not actually rehabilitating prisoners like every other civilized country.

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CallMeCaptainAhab@reddit

Japan never had the gun culture that US has. Like he said, "the cat's out of the bag". There're simply too many illegal guns. Making harsher penalties doesn't force illegal gun owners to turn themselves in for owning a dirty gun. Plus, the government (on both sides of the aisle) don't want to actually fix it. They would be throwing away one of their greatest wedge issues of all time.

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InquisitorMeow@reddit

The "illegal gun" narrative is such an lazy excuse. When they say "illegal" they mean stolen guns, guns purchased in one state then moved to another, or having someone else but the gun for you, aka acquire legally at some point. They're not materializing guns out of thin air or buying them off some warlords black market. If you stop the legal sale of guns and prompt turn ins then it becomes extremely hard for criminals to get guns.

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PuffinRub@reddit

I fully agree that this administration has proved the Second Amendment is absolutely pointless. Politicians should be using this period as proof that the NRA, etc., have no interest in the Constitution. They're an internal trade association of weapons manufacturers who only care about the money. That's fine in terms of being a trade association. Still, they need to be honest about it and stop pretending it was ever intended to "ensure each State's protection by a well-armed militia" beyond the early 1800s. Before anyone completely misses my point, FTAOD, I know the NRA was founded in 1871.

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jonasnee@reddit

The US already have near draconian laws when it comes to things like murder so it seems very doubtful any change to that punishment will solve anything.

The most effective way of combatting crime is the chance to be caught in the first place, not how draconian the punishment is.

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outland_king@reddit

All that does is prevent gun ownership for people who follow the laws. What we need are something to stop the repeat offenders.

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InquisitorMeow@reddit

I always see this parroted yet somehow other countries with no gun ownership don't seem to have a problem with "bad guys having guns."

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ktsb@reddit

eeh. the states that support gun rights are ok with whats happening and the states that aren't ok with whats happening are extremely anti 2a. sorta shot themselves in the foot there...

it's not even a call to violence. it's the treat of matched force. ice isn't randomly picking up people and shooting nurses in open carry states.

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jonasnee@reddit

What the actual second amendment is for is to protect the state against external enemies without having to pay for a military, a lot of the USFF believed the war was won off hillbillies going out with a gun and saw no reason for a military.

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Brave-Influence7510@reddit (OP)

fake: false flag does not exist
gay: anon is literally Patrick Bateman

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honorio2099@reddit

Patrick Batman is absolutely Chad sigma and redpilled though, no!? Isn't he the absolute alpha!?

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gary-cuckoldman@reddit

Do you like Radiohead? Their early work was a little too britpop for my tastes, but when Ok Computer came out in '97, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a haunting, layered sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. They’d been compared to Pink Floyd, but I think Thom Yorke has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor. In '2000, they released this, Kid A, their most controversial album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Idioteque", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the dangers of conformity, and the importance of life, it's also a personal statement about the band itself.

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PuffinRub@reddit

It's this an adaptation of the HL&TN diatribe in the movie or lifted out of the book (I'm only two or three chapters in)? You've (sincerely) caught the spirit of the character excellently if it's your own.

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Thin_General_8594@reddit

They planned for this, the real psyop was you all along

Now they will parade your 4chan history and restrict concealed carry laws even more, great success!

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BemusedBengal@reddit

I don't know about you but when I go to a protest, I carry a sign, not a gun. Except when I storm the capitol.

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PuffinRub@reddit

Except when I storm the capitol.

I was under the impression that the only mandatory piece of equipment is the gallows for Mike Pence when he declines to commit treason at his boss's request? At least, that's what it has been historically.

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talllongblackhair@reddit

It is a well known fact that good guy bullets never miss and only hit bad guys and then stop.

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TheStylemage@reddit

Friendly fire is disabled, just like fall damage.

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Squeeblz88@reddit

Lava can't hurt you if you're back-jumping. Try it in real life!

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Mautos@reddit

! Friendly fire will not be tolerated !

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MightyTurianEmpire@reddit

this reminds me of this kid that was expelled bc he disarmed a school shooter and dissembled the gun, mind boggling he even got in trouble for that but hopefully he’s allowed back in school now https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-mom-says-11-year-old-son-expelled-disarming-classmate-dismant-rcna233152

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Brave-Influence7510@reddit (OP)

damn i miss those store.adguard days