Why is Robert Picard so old?
Posted by seamustheseagull@reddit | TNG | View on Reddit | 47 comments
Just a thought that's always been hanging around at the back of my mind.
When we first meet Robert Picard, he's old. But his son is young.
So I looked it up today and Robert is canonically 68, René is 7. There's no age given for Marie, but the actress was 51 at the time.
So *technically* it all fits OK. He's older than his wife and she had a child at 44. Which is late but not rare.
I'm really wondering why. It feels like a specific choice they made.
OK, so Robert was the older brother - that's important. And René is still young enough to be a dreamer. That's also important.
But would a 63 year old man with a 12 year old son not "fit" better while still keeping the narrative themes intact?
Or perhaps they were making a point about how medicine had become, so much that having children at advanced ages was unremarkable? We know Beverly had Jack Crusher when she was in her late 50s.
Belle_TainSummer@reddit
People can have children later in the future. Keiko's mother was in her late fifties when she had her, at least.
Frosenborg@reddit
Some people in their 50's, have children in these days already, IVF pregnancies.
Anon84925@reddit
But not accidentally.
Cold_War_Radio@reddit
If menopause hasn’t happened (and plenty of women in their 50s are not yet menopausal) then yes, it can and does happen “accidentally.”
Frosenborg@reddit
I think there's been some documented cases in the past. But the point really is that, for women, pregnancies at older age isn't really natural, there are reasons why nature has decided for certain limits.
The older people get, the bigger the chromosomal risks and disorders get.
For women to have children at older age in the future, would basically mean that human physiology has changed, either naturally or by genetic manipulation, the latter is kinda taboo.
Dashcamkitty@reddit
And Beverly had Jack in her 50s.
ScienceAndGames@reddit
Keiko’s mother was 100 in 2369 and keiko had kirayoshi in 2373 when her mother was 104.
So yeah, either Keiko or her mother or both had children after 50.
We don’t actually have a concrete age for Keiko and her actress’s age probably isn’t a good indicator since actors in Star Trek frequently play characters older than their actual age, presumably to show that they’ve reduced the impact of aging. Like Patrick Stewart was, I think 47 when he started playing Picard who was supposed to be almost 60.
Malnurtured_Snay@reddit
And then there's Jonathan Frakes playing Riker ... the actor was 35 when TNG's first season was filming, but the character was only 29. Works in both directions!
ShmullusSchweitzer@reddit
I know this is r/TNG but I can't be the only one who read the title, thought OP made a typo and was wondering why they were going after Robert Picardo for aging like all other humans... Right? 🙂
19mine@reddit
I was very confused until I read this comment. My brain was so in the wrong place.
mmorales2270@reddit
No, you weren’t the only one. I was so confused for a moment.
dantheplanman1986@reddit
Yeah, I thought it was a ShittyDaystrom post for a sec
481126@reddit
Yep and then I'm like oh we must read that the French way.
agent_uno@reddit
Ro—bear
Cheeseboarder@reddit
Same
SharMarali@reddit
Definitely my first thought. He’s not a hologram in real life, bro!
jonascarrynthewheel@reddit
chillestpill@reddit
Can confirm, you were not alone.
Lendyman@reddit
Haha. I had the same reaction. Took a couple sentences to realize I misread the title.
WNY-via-CO-NJ@reddit
Yeah, had to reread it. I got almost to the end before I realized the actual subject!
TiredCeresian@reddit
And how old were Jean-Luc and Beverly when Jack was born?
Cassandra_Canmore2@reddit
Picard is 76 when Beverly 57 has Jack Jr.
The human life span by 2366 was 120-140.
Bones was 137 in his TNG S1 cameo.
history_buff_9971@reddit
With 200 - 300 years of outstanding health care and the best foods and vitamins leading to life expectancies of possibly over 140, I believe that's what some of the oldest surviving humans reach in Star Trek, that adults' reproductive years increase shouldn't be in the slightest bit surprising. Already today, women go through menopause on average 1 -2 years later than their grandmothers did, and it is rare but possible for women in their early 50s to get pregnant and have successful pregnancies, so an increase of reproductive age by 10 - 15 years wouldn't be unreasonable. We can assume that men would also see similar health benefits. I mean, if Robert had René in his mid 50's and say the average for humans was by the mid 24th century was 120 then it's really not that unlikely, 80 - 90 would be more the equivalent of 60.
Trashy_Cappy@reddit
Actually, think they should have aged up a few elderly characters to showcase the general health and medical technology. Like, Picard in Picard could have been over 100 right there and it would make sense in-universe. Think about the Bones cameo in the TNG pilot.
jerslan@reddit
Picard is canonically 64 at the start of TNG. Makes sense his older brother would be… older.
JacobDCRoss@reddit
Because France
mr_john_steed@reddit
They're still smoking Gauloises for some reason
Pleasant_Expert_1990@reddit
Robert was only 6 to 8 years older than Jean-Luc. JL was born in 2305 and script materials indicate Robert was born 2297-99. This is not clout of line. My oldest sister is 9 years my senior. Remember humans have longer life spans and men are fertile most of their lives. Maurice Picard could have had a younger wife, or several.
Also the actors were also similarly aged. Jeremy Kemp (Robert) was 55 at the time of filming 'Family' and Stewart was close to 50.
Both in universe and IRL chalk it up to genetics and lifestyle choices. Robert shunned high tech medicine and worked in the vineyard his whole life. JL had instant free access to all medical care available to Federation citizens but also Starfleet (newest, cutting edge science and the ship's CMO is basically his personal physician).
mr_john_steed@reddit
"And the ship's CMO is basically his personal physician"
If you know what I mean 👀👀👀
linkerjpatrick@reddit
Out in the sun a whole lot more. Look at what it did to Obi Wan Kenobi 😆
DWPhoenix001@reddit
My dyslexic brain read that as Robert Picardo... I couldnt fathom how OP didnt know how how births, aging and birthdays worked...
linkerjpatrick@reddit
Same here. I don’t think I’m dyslexic but I saw it that way too. Maybe because Robert Picardo is mentioned a lot more that one side character we saw in one episode and mentioned once in a movie
HellyOHaint@reddit
I wonder if it had to do with the fact Robert begrudgingly faced the fact he needed an heir for the vineyard because he finally accepted Jean Luc would never have one himself. Perhaps neither of them really enjoyed the idea of settling down but Robert was obliged to.
QualifiedApathetic@reddit
You'd think Robert would want the heir to be his own child even if Jean-Luc did have children. Besides, just having one kid in a generation is putting all your eggs in one basket, and, well....
hot_cheeks_4_ever@reddit
Doesn't matter. They both burned to death. I'm still fucking pissed about this decision.
Longines2112@reddit
You can’t just ask someone why they’re old
Malnurtured_Snay@reddit
I mean ... in the future, people have children when they're older. Consider that Miles and Keiko go to Earth during DS9's 1st season to celebrate Keiko's mom's 100th birthday. I know we can't take a character's age to be the same as their actor, but if we did (Rosalind Chao was 36-ish), that means women in the 24th century can carry children well into their 60s. (And I think Beverly had to be in her late 50s when she had her second son).
aFreakyMonkey@reddit
Difference to aging between working in space and working in the blazing sunshine of paradise whilst drinking real alcohol.
Edith_Keelers_Shoes@reddit
Spent a full five minutes trying to understand why you would upbraid Robert Picardo for temporally progressing in a biologically appropriate manner.
pixel_pete@reddit
I think TNG in particular wanted to make a point about the lifestyle advancements of humanity. We see 137-year-old Bones in the pilot, casually showing a man in his 60s having a child with no major reaction from the characters lets the audience know this is a new normal.
Zaphod-Beebebrox@reddit
He was really Ernst Queller. Inventor of the Queller Drive....🤪
SMc1701@reddit
ExpletiveDeIeted@reddit
Man I read this as Robert Picardo and thought it was about his character in academy, and was incredibly confused by the description.
_R_A_@reddit
Same! Thought this was a Tier B shit post at first.
dracrecipelanaaaaaaa@reddit
Because they had a story that they wanted to tell along with an actor on hand that they thought would be perfect.
Also, it is very canon that humans in mainstream society live far longer and age much more gracefully than we do today due to better food, medicine, and much lower stress in their lives.
Being born in 2305, JLP was canonically in his 60 during the events of TNG. This has him canonically being around 95 during the events of Picard. His older brother was about 5 years older.
As for Marie and Renee -- with all of that, it's not unheard of today for a woman to carry a successful pregnancy to term in her early 40s. If a woman living well on Earth at her age wanted a baby, I don't think anyone in-universe would blink twice.
481126@reddit
Maybe it was because he was so crotchety it took Marie[or anyone] that long to agree to have a kid with him.
Useful_Promotion_521@reddit
I like to think it’s because he is an agriculturalist of the old school - early starts, long manual work and so on.
I mean (and I appreciate he was a winemaker rather than a farmer per se), that actor does look like a farmer.