Is describing an object (specifically an object) as a fuzzywuzzy a word/term to be avoided, do you think?
Posted by NoisyGog@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 72 comments
For context, I’m a sound man, a rather silly one.
I use several microphones in those big fluffy things that most of you have probably seen on the tv occasionally.
I have small ones of those, and larger ones, and I lightheartedly refer to them as a “big fluff” or “small fluff” - to the occasional annoyance of some more serious co-workers.
The other day, I was gathering some kit and wondering in my internal dialogue what I needed. The voice in my head said:
“I’m going to need five little XLR cables, a head torch, oh, and three fuzzywuzzies” - meaning some big fluffs.
For the younglings who might not be aware, this was a term used by British soldiers to refer to the Beja warriors, and which later became used as a derogatory term for African people.
It’s not a term I use at all, but I caught myself thinking, shit, where did that come from?
I didn’t say it out loud thankfully, but I have been wondering since, would that be ok as a humorous descriptive term for something that really is fuzzy?
What do you all think?
Would the use of that word at an inanimate object be offensive? Could it be?
Or is it ok since it’s clearly not directed at any person or people?
How long does a term like that need to fall into disuse before it loses its toxicity?
Dyrenforth@reddit
I think Hugh Laurie christened them as 'Spoffles' on a radio show a very long time ago. But yes, avoid that archaic term. I think only Corporal Jones from Dad's Army can sort of get away with that.
NoisyGog@reddit (OP)
I’ve never heard of this before, but I like it.
Dyrenforth@reddit
Singly it's a Spoffle, of course.
PomegranateV2@reddit
In Zulu, they use 'fuzzies' to refer to the Africans.
Just stick to calling those things 'muffs' like normal people.
cold_tap_hot_brew@reddit
Muff means vagina. Muff diving is cunnilingus. Big muff and little muff would almost always elicit a laugh. Just so you know. :)
NoisyGog@reddit (OP)
Big Muff Pi is a very well known guitar pedal
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cold_tap_hot_brew@reddit
They know…
Big muff pie. Hur hur.
NoisyGog@reddit (OP)
The generic term for them is actually “dead cat”, which is problematic in other ways!
Maichy@reddit
Fuzzy wuzzy as a term I literally only associate with some quote from 'Hear No Evil, See No Evil, a 1989 movie I watched a lot when I was younger.
55caesar23@reddit
Only time I’ve heard it is on Dads Army when jones talked about followers of the mad mahdi
jonpenryn@reddit
I thought the fluffy things were called "dead cats"
NoisyGog@reddit (OP)
They are. Well, Rycote call them Windjammers, Rode call them dead wombats, but yes, everyone else calls them dead cats.
Buddy-Matt@reddit
The proper name is a deadcat iirc. Ironically this is probably more likely to engender strong emotions that the term fuzzy wuzzy.
Also, imo, context is clear. You're clearly not requesting that someone bring you a person of African descent to stick a microphone inside of, and unlike other derogatory names, the term itself does see use outside of being a purely racist term. So based on that I suspect you'll be okay.
Princes_Slayer@reddit
I always think of the Gene Wilder / Richard Pryor film ‘See No Evil, Hear No Evil’ when I hear Fuzzy Wuzzy.
space_coyote_86@reddit
The only person I've head say it was corporal Jones.
New-Opportunity5338@reddit
My Grandad was born in 1907 and was stationed in Egypt in WW2. He referred to the locals by that term when talking about the war.
jaggington@reddit
Yeah, my dad and one of his brothers did their (post ww2) national service in various parts of Africa, and to my dad Egyptians and I think North Africans in general were fuzzywuzzies, and sub-Saharan Africans were gollywogs; but his older brother always said Egyptians were gollywogs because of the (apocryphal) tale of the labourers on the canal wearing work clothes with WOGS (Workers On Government Service) on them.
sleepyprojectionist@reddit
All I know for certain is that “they don’t like it up ‘em”.
Mc_and_SP@reddit
Don't panic
jaggington@reddit
I’m in my 50s and am very familiar with its use as a racist slur, albeit one that has fallen out of widespread use. During my childhood my father and his friends and associates would often use fuzzywuzzy and gollywog to refer to coloured people, and even have lighthearted arguments about which referred to whom.
I left the U.K. over 15 years ago, but when I was still in the U.K. I’d hear words like “fuzzies”, “gollies”, “stanis” used in pubs before/after footie matches.
I’d definitely say don’t use fuzzywuzzy, but fuzzy / fuzzies for mic cover/s shouldn’t be contentious.
NoisyGog@reddit (OP)
Oh wow, that’s interesting, thank you.
SpamJavelin00@reddit
You can say that about any word really can’t you ? Used in wrong context as an insult you use any word to offend someone if you’re determined to. I’ve vaguely heard fuzzywuzzy used in old programmes as a very antiquated slur , but if you’re only using it within work to describe something fuzzy (like a speaker baffle wadding etc ) I don’t suppose there’s any harm in it . Depends again really ! If you say it at wholesalers when buying it (and no black people around ) you’re probably ok - say it at MOBO awards on stage , you’re likely to get your ass kicked
NoisyGog@reddit (OP)
Fair point. I’m just curious in the consensus around it, really.
Serene_sloth@reddit
Based on the replies, would you say you're getting more people thinking it's racist or not?
NoisyGog@reddit (OP)
It’s a little unclear, which is in itself interesting. There’s definitely several people that are of the opinion that it’s not a word that should be used, which I respect. Most seem to not be aware of the negative connotations of it.
On balance, I think it’s probably best not to use it, just in case. There’s other words equally as fun that could be used anyway.
It’s not even a word that I use at all, I don’t really know how it popped into my head or why.
SpamJavelin00@reddit
Yeah it’s a good debate to have - seems harmless enough to me . Depends on context & intent - and of course who it is aimed at !! If someone is trying to act innocent , saying ‘ trying to be whiter than white ‘ is a standard saying to me - as though they’re trying to be more honest than the pope or an angel - but I saw a tv progs where a black guy overhears it and goes mad , saying it’s colonial racism with presumption black is bad and white man is ‘better’. - its rooted in colonialism and oppression . I would meter have applied the saying to a race insult , but there you go. I would have just apologised profusely and assured him I didn’t mean it in that way.
Strawberry_Spring@reddit
38 here, and have only heard the term as a slur (historical, not today)
If I heard someone say to their dog 'oh my gosh you are so fuzzy wuzzy' I would assume it was a slightly unfortunate rhyme, and not think anything of it
I'd probably side eye a grown man using it in conversation (although not for having the thought!)
Clearly you wouldn't be using it to target a person, but if you know something could be offensive to someone around you, I just wouldn't risk it
Serene_sloth@reddit
If I may ask, where have you heard/learned this? I'm a little older than you and my parents and family have used some outdated language (half cast, coloured etc) all my life but this one passed me by.
Strawberry_Spring@reddit
Never in person, only old media - think Dad's Army, and Zulu. To be totally fair here, I don't think it was meant as a slur at the time
TIL Rudyard Kipling wrote a poem called Fuzzy Wuzzy', according a wiki it 'describes the respect of the ordinary soldier for the bravery of the Hadendoa warriors who fought the British army in Sudan and Eritrea'
Of course, I'm not sure we should be taking advice on racist language from Kipling...
NoisyGog@reddit (OP)
Fair enough, I appreciate that.
aspannerdarkly@reddit
Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair Fuzzy Wuzzy wasn’t very fuzzy wuzzy was he
Clear-Security-Risk@reddit
I know the same without the "very" to keep the right cadence/rhythm. Ends "wasn't fuzzy, was he"
cold_tap_hot_brew@reddit
Omg what? This rhyme isn’t a silly poem about a bear with no hair?!?? I’m early 40s and have never heard the term fuzzy wuzzy except in this poem. What is the very to replace? A swear or a slur?
Jesus…. This happened with eenie meenie when we found out it wasn’t a tiger that was caught by the toe.
WTH ancestors?!?
Serene_sloth@reddit
Ok this explains why it made me think of a bear
Serene_sloth@reddit
In my 40s and the only meaning to this I know is describing a soft toy or other such fluffy thing. Like I'm certain I've said it in this context before it's making me think of a teddy bear for some reason
Ok_Teacher_1797@reddit
I feel like actually being called Muffs was funny enough.
ArcTan_Pete@reddit
I first heard the term in 'Dad's Army' - the TV show from the 60's.
It was referring to African tribesmen, who corporal Jones had been fighting in the Sudan wars.
they started using it in playgrounds as a slur for black African kids - especially those with curly hair.
draenog_@reddit
As a 31 year old, this is en entirely new slur to me.
I think if you know an obscure slur, it's always best not to use it, but I think that's definitely one where you wouldn't be expected to have known it was a slur in advance these days and people wouldn't hold it against you if you were like "Oh shit, really? 😬 Thanks for letting me know."
Like, it just sounds like normal baby talk for something being fuzzy to my ears, but I suppose that's probably where the etymology of it as a slur comes from in this context...? (i.e. being racist about people's hair, saying it's "fuzzy", and then being extra demeaning and belittling by rhyming it in a baby talk kind of way)
SpamJavelin00@reddit
I’ve got only ever heard it on tv progs set in ww2 and earlier , soldiers describing local tribes in Africa etc . Context is everything , if he uses it as slang for loft insulation or similar on a site in Doncaster , I don’t think it is the same reference points !!
UKAOKyay@reddit
Fuzzy Wuzzy was a woman?
catjellycat@reddit
I’m 44 and I’ve never heard the term fuzziewuzzie. I thought this was gonna be some sort of “does this make me less manly?” question.
It’s not for me to say whether it’s offensive or not.
NoisyGog@reddit (OP)
🤣 oh good good I’m not bothered about that kind of stuff at all!!
I’m just curious what the consensus is on something like this.
redandbluebadness@reddit
It's not a random word, it's a racist expression for African people, it doesn't need to be repurposed. Just don't use it.
NoisyGog@reddit (OP)
It was a long time ago. I actually learnt the word from a Commodore c64 game called “Creatures”. The protagonist was a type of animal called a fuzzywuzzy, who went by the name Clyde Radcliffe.
It was in the time of playing that game that someone told me about the actual origin of the word.
Even so, I do appreciate that it used to be a slur, but a very very old one, which is why I was curious to see what the consensus is.
cold_tap_hot_brew@reddit
It would have never have occurred to me that it is meant to insult or dehumanise people until this thread. I’m in my early 40s
Mondaycomestoosoon@reddit
“Silly” 🤔
NoisyGog@reddit (OP)
Yes. Silly.
Roxygen1@reddit
I call them "dead badgers" lol.
NoisyGog@reddit (OP)
They’re genetically called “dead cats” in the industry, which I dislike quite a bit. I actually saw one coloured like a badger a couple of months ago, and a I’ve been trawling the internet trying to find one since, as they were distinctive and pretty cool. I always like my own kit to look a bit different, it mashed it easier to grab during de-rigs.
frankensteinbro@reddit
I had no idea the term had a meaning other than being a childish way to say something is fluffy tbh? like in primary school (20+ years back now) we used to sing a hymn with the lyrics "and if I were a fuzzywuzzy bear, I'd thank you Lord for my fuzzywuzzy hair" and that is literally the only context I've ever seen or heard the word before today
Warm-Marsupial8912@reddit
had no idea of it's meaning at all. But probably because I'm not interested in war or Dad's Army! Just made me think of the kid's toy Fuzzy Felt
RaggedToothRat@reddit
I've never heard fuzzywuzzy used as a slur. I'm in my 30s and grew up in South Africa. The only time I've heard this word is in a children's song we used to sing in assembly, "If I were a fuzzywuzzy bear, I'd thank you lord for my fuzzywuzzy hair." I just looked up the song and they still include that line, so you should be good.
Standard-Still-8128@reddit
Fuzzywuzzy was a woman, Only ever heard it in a film also the best film ever
StuartHunt@reddit
A fuzzy wuzzy is a derogatory word used by British troops to describe Sudanese people in the early part of the 20th century.
Therefore I'd avoid using it myself as it's most definitely racist.
StanleyChuckles@reddit
I only remember it from Dad's Army, and it was an old reference even then.
I call my cat Miss FuzzyWuzzy.
Superb-Ad-8823@reddit
Probably it's best avoided.
publiusnaso@reddit
FWIW, Hugh Laurie calls the big foam ones spoffles. I’m not sure that term also refers to the furry ones.
Capable_Vast_6119@reddit
As soon as they stop repeating Dad's Army you'll be grand
marvellcg@reddit
I've only heard this term used in the children's nursery rhyme, fuzzy wuzzy was a bear, fuzzy wuzzy had no hair, so fuzzy wuzzy wasn't fuzzy was he.
I remember that from nursery which was in the 80's, never heard it used as a derogatory term before, but now I've googled it I'd say yes probably best not to use it out of context.
DameKumquat@reddit
The word for spongy microphone cover is spoffle, as coined by Hugh Laurie.
I can't recall anyone using fuzzywuzzy to describe a person in my entire life (over 50 years), just a childhood rhyme - Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear, Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair. Fuzzy Wuzzy wasn't really fuzzy, was he?
The first thing that comes to my mind with the word is those fluffy blobs advertising British Gas. But people who might have been described by the word a century ago might have a different opinion.
CuratorOfNoise@reddit
41 UK, admittedly never heard the term before in any context. If I heard it before this I’d assume it was just made up nonsense that people sometimes use as opposed to negative words.
BillWilberforce@reddit
I really would avoid it. Even if you're doing a Corporal Jones impression.
KatVanWall@reddit
The only context I’ve ever heard it was my mum saying à rhyme that went like: fuzzywuzzy was a bear, fuzzywuzzy had no hair, so fuzzywuzzy wasn’t fuzzywuzzy.
geese_moe_howard@reddit
Still beyond the pale in my book. I'm 47 and I'm well aware of the term, even if I haven't heard it on TV since the 80s
-XiaoSi-@reddit
Yes, I think the only time I’ve ever heard it was on Dad’s army back in the 90s.
spikewilliams2@reddit
I think I might have heard Alf Garnett use that term.
SomeHSomeE@reddit
Tbh I think very few people would even realise its historic racist use. I'm only vaguely aware from when LCpl Jones uses it in Dad's Army.
Oldfart_karateka@reddit
They don't like it up 'em!
I recognise the term, but I'm 56 - I suspect most of the younger generations may not draw the same link, but might be best to stick to calling them fluffs or floofs in furniture, just to be on the safe side!
dread1961@reddit
Like gollywog it's an old term that most people either haven't heard before or they avoid.
GuybrushFunkwood@reddit
I’m 47 and I’ve genuinely never heard anyone say this!
BreqsCousin@reddit
I have never heard of this. I'm in my 40s.
It sounds like something you'd call a pet while talking in a baby voice.
In a professional setting I'd think it was maybe a bit overly cutesy.
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