Random kids insult me – how to react?
Posted by DataWest9596@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 235 comments
I (34f) recently moved from Austria to England. My husband is English and we have two children, age 1 and 3. I am currently a stay at home mum with my youngest, my oldest one is in nursery. I'm still finding my way around the area, trying to get a feel for how things work around here.
I took my one year old who just started walking to the playground recently and shortly after, two young boys, maybe 8-10 years old, came into the playground with their bikes. First they started emptying the bins and kicked the trash around/spread it all over the playground. Then they started riding their bikes really fast, sometimes very close to my son. I kindly asked them to stop as the sign on the playground said no bikes and also it's dangerous as they could easily hurt my son. They laughed at me and kept riding their bikes even closer to him on purpose. I tried ignoring them but soon after, one of them spat into our direction. I picked up my son and headed towards the exit. On my way out I said to the kid who spat at us that this is not a very nice thing to do and I'm sure his parents would not approve of this kind of behaviour. He parroted what I just said and his friend yelled at me that I have no right to lecture his friend since he's autistic. They both called me names and I left without saying anything else. They followed me and my son home and stood outside the house for a few minutes before they eventually left. My husband said I should not have confronted them and just left immediately as soon as I saw them misbehaving.
A few weeks later, I was walking home from the shops with both my kids in the pushchair, my son napping. A car drove past us speeding so insanely fast my youngest woke up from the noise and started crying. I shouted "too fast!" (more so to myself) and shook my head in the direction of the car. A kid who rode past us on the sidewalk on his scooter yelled "oh is he going too fast for you, you cunt?" and traveled on laughing to himself. He couldn't have been older than twelve years as well.
Other than that, I have witnessed young kids, the majority of them boys aged 8-14 I'd say, throw rocks at windows, kick down newly planted trees, and scream curse words from the top of their lungs, joking (I hope) with their friends about carrying knives. My daughter got accidentally knocked over at the playground once by an older kid and he immediately said sorry and looked like he meant it, but his friends starting laughing and told her to get out of their way or they would do it again.
These incidents had me shaken quite badly, especially the first one. All of these kids were without parents, so I'm assuming they just get very bold when they're on their own or amongst friends, and they probably would not have acted like that if their parents had been with them. Also, most young kids in our playgroups, nursery, gym class etc. have been very polite and well behaved overall speaking, so I am aware that this is not an "all kids are like this nowadays"-situation.
Do you agree with my husband that I should just ignore situations like this in the future? I hate the idea of just accepting insults being hurled at me, especially infront of my young children. There seems to be a problem with young boys and men being disrespectful towards girls and women already, and ignoring the problem will not make it go away. At the same time I am genuinely scared things could escalate if I'm trying to talk sense into them.
I would like to add that we live in a nice neighbourhood and feel safe day to day, but statistically speaking the overall crime in the surrounding area is on the higher side compared to other parts of England.
Any ideas and thoughts on this would be appreciated, thank you.
(Posted from a throwaway account).
yoloswaggins92@reddit
Punch their fuckin heads in
ukbot-nicolabot@reddit
A top level comment (one that is not a reply) should be a good faith and genuine attempt to answer the question
InfiniteComedian7172@reddit
Agree. A lot of bad behaviour will be corrected this way
negras@reddit
It doesn't sound like a nice neighbourhood at all.
Tzunamitom@reddit
…of Basra maybe?!?
Express-Nerve-8179@reddit
What an ignorant thing to say ….I guarantee no kids would be behaving like that in Basra
Tzunamitom@reddit
Yes, having spent a lot of time in the Arab world I realised that as I wrote it, just couldn’t think of anywhere else that would be synonymous with danger for the average person.
MantisToboggan25@reddit
What a bizarre and ignorant justification.
mighty3mperor@reddit
So you are saying... Bootle.
elmo298@reddit
Basradford
denile87@reddit
Kids in Basra are probably better behaved.
negras@reddit
🤣🤣🤣
richpinn@reddit
Standard chav behaviour, common if you live in a rough area/shit hole.
AssumptionBudget279@reddit
I think you are living in the wrong neighbourhood to be honest. This definitely doesn’t happen in my area, or at least I haven’t noticed it happening?
Nihilistic_wizard@reddit
Feral kids are a common level 1 enemy, don't engage unless you're prepared to actually fight them and don't let them find out where you live unless you want possible months/years of grief.
Neddlings55@reddit
Ignore them. You've learnt that reacting or confronting them in any way only makes matters worse.
Their parents will be just as bad no doubt too.
Look at moving. I wouldnt raise kids where there is the risk of them being exposed to that.
_Rvvers@reddit
Then you’d be constantly moving until you found a remote island. Shitty kids are in every village, town and city.
hanslandaa_@reddit
Not everywhere. I live in a village and we never see things like that. Yeah there is the occasional kids being rowdy but they usually stop if being told off. What OP is describing is not normal.
fridakahl0@reddit
I live in fucking Glasgow and don’t encounter this, there are bams roving around different areas but they don’t stop to hurl abuse at kids and young mums.
Neddlings55@reddit
They are, but not everywhere has gangs of them.
This sort of behaviour from kids is rare where i am.
GlamourousFireworks@reddit
Same. I’m gobsmacked. I understand there are bad parts in the U.K. but this seems absolutely crazy and I visit pit villages for work.
Dic_Penderyn@reddit
I live in a former pit village - both my grandfathers were miners. The kind of behaviour described by the OP is rare here.
johnnycarrotheid@reddit
Heavy working class area.
The feral kids would get sorted out by adults they started on, a lot easier than Middle Class areas.
I'm near Glasgow.
It's why they congregate in the city centre, thanks to their free bus passes lol.
Do the crap they do in the working class suburbs, and they'd get slapped tbh
GlamourousFireworks@reddit
I’m hoping that came across in my comment and that I wasn’t being judgemental, rather that I was challenging stereotypes, people tell me they’d be terrified going there but I’ve always had pleasant experiences. God only knows where the op lives!
HunterHead7690@reddit
Wow. No judgment there eh?
And I think you probably mean 'former' pit villages.
Badger_1066@reddit
True, but not necessarily in that abundance.
CurvePuzzleheaded361@reddit
Not this level
_Rvvers@reddit
I didn’t say that. Obviously the ratio of good/bad will differ from place to place, but shitty kids are everywhere.
Oster-P@reddit
Kids in my village are nice, they stop to say hello to my dog, say thank you when I stand to the side to let them ride past on their bikes, don't think I've had a bad encounter once.
minisooms@reddit
I don't think they are
Jamie2556@reddit
You want to look at how the schools are rated locally. If they are not so good then def move. We moved into a better school area when our kids were small and never regretted it. It was about 15 mile down the road and my husband kept the same job but the gcse pass rate at the schools were significantly higher.
ItsDominare@reddit
Moving house because a 12 year old was rude to you is perhaps a slight overreaction, no?
Neddlings55@reddit
Its not just one or two though is it?
By the OPs own admission crime is higher than average in their area.
In this day and age, with how easily kids get pressured into things by their peers, id be doing everything possible to set my kids up for a successful future.
ItsDominare@reddit
There were two examples given by OP and no mention of any others, so as far as I can tell "one or two" is perfectly accurate.
As for the crime stats, 50% of the places in the entire country have higher than average crime, because that's how maths works. Doesn't mean half the country is uninhabitable.
Adept_Butterfly_6742@reddit
Are you sure you live in a nice neighbourhood? We have some feral kids and I live in a city, but that doesn’t seem very normal
Pure_Struggle_909@reddit
Why does it matter so much? I live in a relatively affluent town in the UK, in a middle-class area, but kids from the "bad" parts of town are still very much present in the nearby park. To be honest, if I had known how feral some of them are, I wouldn’t have bothered buying a house in the UK. I’m genuinely worried that I’ll get stabbed by some 8-year-old with anger issues.
V65Pilot@reddit
If an 8 year old comes at you with a knife. Knock them out. Just put them in the recovery position afterwards.
Downvotes incoming.....
Evening-Tomatillo-47@reddit
I'd be serving a 3 day ban for inciting violence for this
V65Pilot@reddit
Defending yourself is not violence. But if ever decide to turn to a life of crime, I hope my victims have the same attitude as you..
Evening-Tomatillo-47@reddit
I got a 3 day ban for inciting violence when I suggested pushing a car in a river. "People need to feel safe" said the bot...
V65Pilot@reddit
Weirdly, I always feel safe........
Interesting_Fish309@reddit
Agree I'm British bord n bred agree 100% no kids should be doing that it is getting worse in UK too
Time_Entertainer_319@reddit
“Born n bred”
confusing_roundabout@reddit
Have you seriously never heard that phrase before?
Time_Entertainer_319@reddit
Doesn’t make it any less cringe
V65Pilot@reddit
They've been taught to think that no-one will touch them. I have no issue with it. A physical threat of violence against me, or mine, will always be met by force. I'm not as young as I was, I'm not as fast as I was, and I'm not as strong as I was, but, if I'm going down, I'm going down fighting. I also have a lot of years of experience when it comes to taking care of myself. The PTSD and anger issues probably don't help with my attitude, but I'm doing much better now. You can legally defend yourself with force, just not excessive force. Knocking someone out is getting close to the line, but perfectly defensible in any court. Curb stomping them afterwards would be a bit much.....
Veenkoira00@reddit
If escape is not possible and diplomacy does not work, I would recommend painful (but not bone breaking) restraining in preference to a KO.
wooyoo@reddit
Downvotes because you are the one that would get in trouble
Englishmuffin1@reddit
Force can be used, so long as it's reasonable, proportionate and necessary to defend yourself or prevent a crime from happening.
You can also perform a pre-emptive strike if someone is aggressively coming towards you.
If a kid came at you with a weapon, you can punch them in the face and then safely get away from the threat. If you punched them in the face and then kicked them when they were on the ground, this would no longer be deemed as an acceptable use of force.
Sausagedogknows@reddit
I know that it can seem like that at times, the way the media reports things but it’s not true.
As an example, my wife was walking her kitten around our garden on a lead, before she was willing to let him out on his own. A scummy bloke with a German shepherd thought it would be a good idea to walk up the driveway, encouraging the dog to go for the cat.
My wife called me, as I was inside, I came out, assessed the situation and punched the guy twice, the second took him down, he split his head on the wall and then called the police.
All the while we were waiting he was going on about how he was gonna sue me, and how I was going to jail, I’d lose my job blah blah etc.
Police turned up, had a chat, after hearing the details dismissed it as use of reasonable force.
V65Pilot@reddit
Not at all. They'll investigate, and it will go away as justifiable force. They attempted to kill you, you made them take a nap. Nothing excessive there.
Vanilla_EveryTime@reddit
Had a kid of about 12 come at me trying to shove something at my face as I turned a corner in the supermarket. I instinctively swiped it away and it went flying and bounced off the floor. Turned out it was his phone and he was filming random people. He started squealing I’d broke his phone and he was getting the police. I replied with ‘sorry, I thought that was weapon or knife in my face’, feel free to get the police’. Then walked away.
Jasboh@reddit
Theallseer97@reddit
I'm just gonna point out that grabbing the wrist doesn't stop momentum from arm movement. Better to grab the forearm closer to the elbow and use the other hand on the wrist for disarms. Not trying to be clever but I genuinely learned this is self defence classes.
Sburns85@reddit
Yeah that’s an orc they would’ve even notice a human grabbing their arm
ElusiveCrab@reddit
Im sure even a loser obsessed with figurines could take on an 8 year old
mh1191@reddit
Agree on the first bit, but the scrote’s friends can put them into the recovery position
louwyatt@reddit
You do realise the UK is one of the safest countries in the world?
Pure_Struggle_909@reddit
Yes, I’ve been to places like South Africa or Brazil, and I know how bad it can be (not to mention that I grew up in Eastern Europe in the 90s). But I haven’t chosen to raise my children in those places.
And recently there have been a number of stabbings and burglaries in my area. I’ve been assaulted twice, and my friend was punched in the face by a random guy in London. There are tents in the park outside my house. I know that my fears might sound ridiculous for some, but well, I’m not feeling very safe.
louwyatt@reddit
It sounds like you are in one of the worst places in the UK. It is absolutely not the norm for the UK. So your issue isn't the UK. It's where you live in the UK. If you live in the rough areas of any country, you will get these kinds of issues.
nicetoursmeetewe@reddit
I lived in a "rough" part of Tokyo, it was safer than a village in England, we literally didn't lock our front door most of the time
Pure_Struggle_909@reddit
If I had known that Cheltenham was considered rough, I might have made a different decision
Kizzieuk@reddit
This comment sounds like its from someone who never really leaves their home and relies on 24 hour porn fear news for their information
Traditional-Win354@reddit
I live in a nice neighbourhood, but my neighbour's kid is a horror. His parents don't bother to parent him, and he's always bringing his little roadmen friends around to swear at people and throw things. He's from a nice neighbourhood and gets spoiled rotten by his parents, but he still acts feral and is banned from most stores in our area.
The problem is parents, not really how nice the area is.
CeaselessWatcher00@reddit
Agree entirely - I live in what's classed as a nice(ish) part of outer London, lots of million pound houses etc. it's not a deprived area, even the 'poor' kids do ok. It's also an area with a lot of 2 parent families. Yet because many of those parents are so ineffectual, there are a lot of nasty little shits round here...think throwing stones at buses, killing wildlife with catapults, shouting abuse at random people etc. I've no doubt that the sort of behavior the OP describes happens round here.
And you can't say anything to these kids, because they immediately run to their parents 'waaah waaah, the adult was rude to me'. There was an incident here a few years ago where some kid was being gobby to my friend, who then made a sarky comment back to him (which his mates laughed at but he didn't). Kid went and got his dad who then went off on a rant about how his kid had special needs 🙄🙄🙄 and how only nonces speak to kids etc, if either of us ever said anything to his kid he'd call the police. Absolute idiot, apple didn't fall far from the tree.
My neighbours kids have also called me a cunt before because I asked them not to climb on my fence!
There is no good way to resolve these situations. I've found when you ignore kids like this they then start with a 'are you deaf, we're speaking to to you. HELLO etc. I find over ear headphones help...but obviously no good for the OP who has young children to interact with.
nicetoursmeetewe@reddit
Looking weak only entices them further, that's why ignoring them or feeble telling them to stop doesn't work. A strong reaction from someone who looks like he shouldn't be fucked with will work but I've never been able to be taken seriously and get laughed at more often than not
shalo62@reddit
*The problem is parents, not really how nice the area is.*
Not minimizing the situation at all, but I guess that you don't have kids. With all the discipline in the world, kids behave normally until about 13 and then some of them just don't. I've seen it in others, with excellent parenting, and I've seen it in mine too.
If an 8-year-old is having problems with discipline, then sure it is probably the parents, if a 14-year-old is, then who knows.
I used to think like you did, but with a bit of expericence, you learn that some kids are just cunts. Unfortunately, in years gone by, a swift knock to the ear would have eliminated the cuntish behavious in most of them but as this is no longer allowed, we get what we get.
Suspicious_Banana255@reddit
That's just shit parenting, no matter the kids age, if a teenager is a c*nt don't let them out the house, the parents should have to deal with the behaviour, no one else.
In my opinion the problem is parents, along with everyone else, are afraid of the consequences of any kind of discipline. You take your kids devices away and they could accuse you of being a p*do. Kids think they are untouchable these days, and they are correct.
Eyewiggle@reddit
Too many parents threaten concequences and don’t follow through. I’ve seen it too many times, “I’ll take all your devices away little Timmy” and then realise little Timmy will bother them once they do.
confusing_roundabout@reddit
That's it. You've got to commit to punishments or otherwise they're meaningless.
Fleurlamie111@reddit
Or they do take their devices and next thing you know, little Timmy has murdered both of his parents.
Consistent_Sale_7541@reddit
this is what i say when people say parents have gone soft— there probably are too soft ones but it’s largely can’t be arsed to parent—too caught up in their own crap to want to deal with them so just let them do what they like
Melonpan78@reddit
Please don't minimise another person's experience, just because it doesn't align with yours.
smd1815@reddit
Reddit-level reading comprehension.
JMM85JMM@reddit
They don't say anything to minimise their experience. If anything they're pointing out it is potentially worse rather than less.
DDFingers@reddit
This is not something I recognise at all in the uk but I’m pretty rural. It doesn’t sound like a good area to me. I don’t mean any offence by this but I’m sorry this is your experience.
Entfly@reddit
I live in a city and one of the poorer parts to be honest and I've never seen kids acting like that
beernon@reddit
Really? I’m incredibly surprised to hear this. The UK is sort of infamous for its feral youth in working class areas, particularly now. I’ve had to deal with OPs sort of issue countless times and the only solution is really to move rurally or to a well off neighbourhood.
DDFingers@reddit
Working class areas????
Empty_Bell_1942@reddit
Did he stutter?
DDFingers@reddit
No he didn’t stutter because that’s usually reserved for speech.
My surprise is that the commenter attributed ill behaviour to working class areas. As someone who is working class and makes no attempt to hide it, this sort of behaviour was never tolerated anywhere. It went against the grain.
If you were to say areas of high unemployment and generational benefit claimants I wouldn’t have been surprised although I make no attempt to tar anyone with the same brush due to financial circumstances.
I have no desire to start a Reddit argument much less than with someone who decides to chip in for no reason but I just wanted to clarify for my own sanity.
TomfromLondon@reddit
I'm in London and I don't recognise it at all
LadyBeanBag@reddit
I’m in Portsmouth, one of the most deprived cities in England, and this is unfamiliar too me as well. I live in one of the apparently rougher areas (it’s fine), and I just see ordinary kids doing stupid kid stuff as has always existed, but nothing like this.
petitesheeep@reddit
I wanted to say the same thing. I've never seen anything like this around me. Some kids can be silly but this seems extreme. It probably depends on the area you live in, so I'd have to agree that the area isn't too good despite what op said.
cornishicecreams@reddit
I live in a very not rural UK area (despite my username), and not the nicest in the world either, and I've never had behaviour like this directed at me or my kids. I do think engaging directly can hugely escalate things. Is there a local Facebook community group that's active? Are people aware of a broader problem in the area? It really does sound extreme.
Forsaken-Bread-8214@reddit
I live in California, US. I am British-born. Here, they do the same shit, but in my case, some also have knives and guns. If you say anything, I would either get beaten or called names. Or the parents would come over and beat my ass. (I live in a rough area in Cali ) ...
So I just keep my head down and have my headphones on. It's really not just in the UK; it's all over. Stay safe, maybe drive to a nicer park? Ignore the buggers.
Goodbyecaution@reddit
People will tell you to ignore them but I have zero chill…when a boy and his mate hurled insults at me and my husband (but directed at me) on the street I shouted ‘what did you say?’ And went over to them, they scarped the few meters home and I saw which house one went into so I followed and knocked on their door. His sister came to the door so I asked for mum and told her exactly what her son had been shouting at me and demanded an apology from him which she, and then he, complied with. The kid totally wasn’t expecting to face any consequences or be called out for it. If it’s safe to do so I’m a big believer in not letting kids get away with antisocial behaviour.
picnicspotlover@reddit
Welcome to England in 2026… 😥
NightKid89@reddit
Now I know you're not supposed to do it, but could you "accidentally" push them off their bikes into a nice hard stone wall or thorny bush? I really think that if the kids have got to this point then some physical re-education is in order to remind them that there are consequences to their actions.
lodav22@reddit
I told a kid (about 10 yrs old) to pick up his rubbish and put it in the bin a year or so ago and he called me a stupid cow. One of his friends laughed, the other looked horrified and said “you can’t say that!”. Unfortunately for that little shit, I know his mother. She was livid.
Ngl, I had to bite back a laugh when he said it because it sounded so absurd, but if one of my kids had behaved like that I would want to know.
ChoreomaniacCat@reddit
Lucky his mother was decent and (presumably) punished him since she was livid at his behaviour. In many cases, one look at the parents and it's clear why their kids behave so disgustingly.
Eyewiggle@reddit
Haha I love that you knew his mum, how (rightfully) gutting for him
Brian_from_accounts@reddit
Move to be a better area
Ldero97@reddit
Unfortunately antisocial behaviour is quite common, especially among kids of a certain age and the advice is always to ignore it. But that's the British reaction to a lot of things. Unfortunately if you report it nothing happens, which the kids know, which is why they do it. It's one thing I definitely don't miss after emigrating.
Whoisthehypocrite@reddit
Welcome to the UK...
damianidris@reddit
Carry eggs with you so you can throw them at them
damianidris@reddit
You can respond with “ur mum”
Woollen53@reddit
When I've lived on rougher estates I make sure i dress the part. It sounds silly, I know, but appearances matter and if you look like you're not from the estate, you're more likely to be targeted. You dont need to dress like a full on chav, just not 'posh'. A pair of cool, not too expensive, not too cheap, trainers and some more laid back clothing (it does NOT need to be a tracksuit!)...and yeh dont look around judging people, just mind your own business. And try not to look intimidated or offended at some of these things, like the speedy cars and bikes, you will just have to get used to it if you're not planning on moving. Just stay close to your son in the park so your between him and any rowdy kids. Be better if you can visit the park when there are other parents in there and maybe try and make friends with some of the locals? Then there will be people to have your back, or at least stop you being alone and looking an easy target.
mikechekmikechek@reddit
Honestly it's due to the chronic underfunding of youth and social services and no where for these kids to go plus a lot of their parents simply don't give a shit. Not to mention police not wanting to actually do something about the little shits. They're like it by me too and I don't live in a 'rough' area.
Regardless, I'm sorry you've had that experience and unfortunately there's no positive advice I can give you other than stay away from them as much as you can and try not to engage, they tend to amass in large groups. If you don't have one already get a door camera in case they try anything as they know where you live, evidence will be your best friend if they do.
Again, I'm so sorry you've had this experience and hopefully you're able to find community and safety elsewhere. The hilarity is, the same kids I've told to fuck off for loitering around past workplaces have then come into said workplaces with their parents and are a damnsight more reserved.
Badger_1066@reddit
Are you sure you live in a nice area?
The town I live in is far from a "nice" one and yet I'm still privileged enough to have never experienced anything like this. Quite the contrary, actually. The local kids seem quite polite and decent. All this is to say that the first impression I got from your story is that where you live doesn't sound like a pleasant place.
(No offence.)
Difficult-Finish-511@reddit
What area of the uk have you moved to? You always get the odd one or two but this sounds like a seriously shitty neighbourhood if the kids are so bold. Are you in central london or some run down part of the north somewhere? Very bizzare.
Daft_Daffodil@reddit
You should call the police 101 and report it as harassment.
The police will deal with their parents.
It would be a good idea if you buy a secret camera and record secretly at least 2 occasions so you can show to the police as proof.
I am sorry you are going through that! I personally disagree that you should ignore it because otherwise it will NEVER stop on it's own. Trust me, I have been there myself unfortunately.
Regular_Committee946@reddit
Firstly, I'm sorry these things happened to you.
Of course, your and your child's safety is paramount, but it's clear you already know this. I can understand your husband's advice (as he is thinking of it as the easiest and safest option), but you are also not alone in saying something, or wrong for doing so and not just wanting to ignore it.
Unfortunately the combination of kids (and some adults) being immature and selfish, leads to even the most polite or reasonable request regarding basic decency and respect being met with abuse.
There has always been some level of this type of anti-social behaviour, but there has definitely been a notable rise in misogyny - Way more young lads have become completely brazen in their behaviours/lack of basic respect towards adult women.
It needs addressing from a multi-pronged societal stand point - from education, to policing, to more investment in community resources as well as more people 'calling it out' (or backing up those who do).
Where as moving to 'nicer'* places is understandably desirable, it is just treating the symptom and not the cause.
From a practical standpoint;
Worth having a look at; ASB Help which is a registered charity in England and Wales set up to provide advice and support to victims of anti-social behaviour.
You can report incidents of anti-social behaviour, harassment or assault to your local police force via calling the non-emergency line of 101, or you can submit a report online.
Deliberately spitting at someone is classed as common assault by the way.
Not sure how things are in Austria, but please don't hesitate to call our emergency line 999 if anything escalates and you find yourself on the receiving end of threats of violence. There's more info here; https://www.police.uk/pu/contact-us/
Other things that may be helpful - see if there is a local parish council and get in touch for some advice/support. They are usually really good at keeping an eye on local crime/issues and getting on to the council about increasing local patrols etc.
Hope this helps 🫶
* - Even 'nice' places have their share of selfish dickheads!
CurvePuzzleheaded361@reddit
Doesnt sound like a nice neighbourhood to be honest. It is best to ignore them, they wont care less if you lecture them and it only makes them try to get another reaction out of you.
PsychologicalRun1911@reddit
Sounds like a rough neighborhood. Definitely not the norm and not acceptable.
If there are kids causing problems you should leave though I agree with that, don't intervene. A stern conversation with a child is not going to undue a childhood filled with neglect and bad parenting.
HelpDaren@reddit
I used to live in a relatively big city where this was pretty much a daily occurrence, teenager kids were proper cunts to anyone around them.
They used to play a very stupid and dangerous game. The city's biggest industrial estate was encircled by a 50mph road that at some point joined the motorway. It had one of the shittiest zebra crossing I've ever come across in my life (used to work on the estate for around 2 years); the amber lights were broken more times than not, and there were trees on both side of it so unless someone was on the walkway, you couldn't really see if anyone coming or not.
This also gave these little bastards the opportunity to hide behind the trees and jump towards cars and lorries flying down the road at 50mph to scare the drivers unfamiliar with the area. After a few times I automatically slowed down to around 30mph but I've seen people slamming their brakes and coming to a screeching halt, and these little fuckers were laughing their arse off. I've also seen people getting out of their cars and chasing them through the trees, and I've seen police doing that too, but nothing really made them stop, it was like a challenge to them to see who can stop the most cars in a given timeframe. And if you stopped and did nothing just waited for them to fuck off, sometimes they started to bang on the bonnet or the door of your car to get any reactions out of you.
They were in the local news at least once a week for ages, police was patrolling the area every day, signs were put up for drivers and pedestrians too, cameras were installed, Neighbourhood Watch was onto them as well, but nothing the city tried had any actual impact.
That, until a fateful day.
It was a cold, dark, rainy November evening, these boys were at it again. I've seen them as I was heading home from shopping, in their black hoodies and jackets, with their bikes, hiding behind the treeline, waiting for their next victim. Not even an hour after I passed them, one of these cunts decided to scare a lorry driver, but misjudged how slippery the pavement was and pretty much slid under a fully loaded, 40 tons lorry as it was trying to stop. Somehow, the little fucker survived being run over by a 40 tons vehicle, but lost both his legs in the process and will spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair.
THAT stopped them. One of them almost dying. When the news broke on the local FB group the next morning, literally anyone but the kid's family was cheering on them finally stopping this stupid shit, and there was not a single comment saying "yes, but...", because everyone was fed up with that shit. We felt sorry for the lorry driver because it's a lifelong trauma for him, but knew it was just a matter of time before one of them got hurt, the city tried to warn them by sending the police there, by putting up the signs, by running a health and safety campaign the summer before the accident, but they only learnt the lesson when it became very real that they can actually lose their life.
OP, these kids will learn nothing from you. You can do anything in your power to teach them a lesson, until they spit on the wrong person that will beat the living shit out of them, or they cycle too close to something and one of them loses an eye or a limb, they won't change. They do this because they can, because no one stopped them at home when they started to act like this, because the education system restricts teachers to the curriculum and everything else is a big no-no, and because we live in a society where a fatherly or motherly smack on the face is considered corporal punishment and is illegal.
You can't fix the problem without fixing society itself, and that's a big fat chance.
Mountainenthusiast2@reddit
I had a similar situation when I visited somewhere recently in the UK. Again boys on bikes, probably older than the ones you mentioned but they randomly and unprovoked started getting close with their bikes as if to ride into me and getting aggressive. Never experienced anything like it before and was quite shook up by it.
But it’s concerning hearing more and more of these similar situations.
Jaded_Library_8540@reddit
Honestly I think the reactions from the kids stem from the fact that it's a lot less common to tell people off in the UK than, in my experience, the German speaking world.
Germany is not Austria, of course, but I was routinely shocked at the way people would police one another when I lived there. Honestly, it's actually pretty admirable, but in the UK it tends to be taken poorly and of course random kids (whether they were going too fast or not) are going to have the instinct to tell a random adult to fuck off when told off by them. This is what I imagine your husband meant by not confronting them and just leaving.
You, a random stranger in the park, are not going to be able to make up for whatever hideous parenting failures are taking place at home.
TeaPlenty3782@reddit
Are you sure you live in a nice area? Not that this excuses shitty behaviour, but it’s more common in some rough parts. I live right by an estate and we’ve never had any trouble from any local kids apart from a couple of smashed pumpkins at Halloween, so this strikes me as pretty unusual.
You could maybe find out if the area has a neighbourhood watch scheme or a local assigned community support officer (like a lower down police officer) as some social deprived areas will have an assigned officer to try to cut down on antisocial behaviour.
It’s hard when out with your children, because my instinct is to give feral kids a piece of my mind as I hate bad manners but you can’t risk retaliation when you are with your children. If I’m in an unsafe situation, illl get out of there and then talk to my children later about how this is not acceptable and how the children weren’t being kind.
Any aggressive or intimidating behaviour can be reported to the police via 101 and I would honestly focus on moving areas if you can!
Happy-Chest-437@reddit
You moved into a council estate - my dear. Husband needs to book his ideas up.
Klutzy_Ad_8886@reddit
Rough neighbourhood or the results of gentle parenting, or maybe both
randymysteries@reddit
A few years ago, a couple of boys lured a toddler away from a playground and killed him for fun. There are very sick children out there.
Clear_Mode_4199@reddit
Showing your age a bit haha
GetCapeFly@reddit
That was over 3 decades ago. Horrific, yes, But not recent or repeated (as far as I know).
peppermint_aero@reddit
If you're referring to the Jamie Bulger case, wasn't that the early 90s?
Not saying it wasn't horrific, but it is unusual.
telmeurdreams@reddit
Keep your distance from them. If I were you, I would leave that area. I’ve had some bad experiences with teenagers and younger children. They often end up at the bottom of society. It's not your job to confront the wrongs around you directly.
_weedkiller_@reddit
If they target stuff at you the only defence you have is ignore it. They are looking for a reaction. Don’t give it. Act like they don’t exist.
I understand it is scary though.
StereotypicallBarbie@reddit
Are you sure it’s a nice neighbourhood? I’ve lived on really rough council estates with more well behaved kids than this..
Nublar_Repair_Man@reddit
I honestly think council estate kids are more kind and empathetic to anyone who stands out
I only ever had problems with kids/teenagers in nice areas. I'm in a fairly rough area and not had a single problem.
sashabobby@reddit
I grew in Greater Manchester and it was pretty much the same it not worse. Kids swearing straight at me, hitting a football at my head really hard, throwing stones at our window and trying to break in... you name it. I always ignored them and had never provoked them even :/
StereotypicallBarbie@reddit
Yeah there was a spurt of kids throwing rocks at buses and cars a couple of years back when my mum still lived on the old council estate.. and it was all over the Facebook groups!
I lived round there for a bit when my kids were very small.. and grew up there! And it was rough.. really rough! But it wasn’t as bad as that back then.. and I loved it.
certainly not kids spitting at people and terrorising mothers and toddlers with their bikes. A lot of parks up there now have cctv.
Eyewiggle@reddit
Wondering if you were in a town or city? I think cities must be worse, the feral kids in my town wouldn’t bother a mother and a young child and if they did, other adults or even kids, would step in
CherryConscience@reddit
I live in quite a rough area but I have never seen anything like this, if it is an option you should really consider moving. Rocks being thrown at windows was something I thought only happened in american movies.
xwell320@reddit
Welcome to the UK, chav scum breeding more chav scum. Inexorable decline.
Melonpan78@reddit
OP, I too have learnt the hard way that polite requests have the opposite of the desired effect. It is utterly soul-destroying to live in a society where any respect for others has, in places, completely disappeared and where young kids have the power to intimidate and downright scare you, moreso if you're a woman. I'm so sorry this has been your experience in the UK.
Don't risk your or your children's safety by trying to diffuse this type of situation. You have to pick your battles, and this one isn't worth the risk. Walk away with no reaction. You shouldn't have to do this, or live in fear of taking your children to the park, but this is sadly where we are now. I won't suggest alternatives- that's down to you and your husband- but I just wanted to know that despite some of the insensitive responses on here, you are seen, and heard, and empathise with.
Fit_Adhesiveness7307@reddit
I agree. I’m a petite woman and look very young for my age. Also I have autism and social anxiety, and kids in my area (Richmond-upon-Thames so affluent!) have on multiple occasions shouted horrible things at me.
I never knew how to react either. It ruins my entire day and maybe even week though. I usually keep it private how much it hurts me because many neurotypicals don’t understand that I can’t just ignore their remarks and not take it to heart.
A group of boys deliberately cycled into me recently while I was on the pavement. I’m really scared that more and more boys and young men are hating women, in this country and others.
Pierce_youre_a_B@reddit
Ugh I'm so sorry. Can you get your phone out and film them and hand it to the police? They need to learn consequences the hard way.
Standard_Location_60@reddit
I think this can be fairly common depending on where you live unfortunately. I’ve lived in multiple deprived areas of Yorkshire, and experienced behaviour from kids like this multiple times throughout my life. The parents are often the ones who model the behaviour in my experience. I very much want to change the world too and it causes moral outrage for me every time I witness something like this; but there’s nothing we can do. The best thing to do is always to remove yourself, and know that while this can be relatively common in certain areas, it’s definitely not the vast majority of kids that behave this way. It’s just that the ones who do are more likely to be out unsupervised in public.
sh4dfox@reddit
Sounds like Widnes.
Luxatron405@reddit
DANG report that bs
MrJones-@reddit
Aye English kids are a different breed, entitled wee shites.
-MARMITEnTOAST-@reddit
A tale as old as time unfortunately... bored kids, often poor, absent or incapable parents. With nothing to do all day they roll around on bikes probably not even their's, looking for something to hold their interest until they get bored again and move on. You won't find them in school or helping their parents with shopping, that kind of thing.
As they get older, they escalate to other things usually out of peer pressure to impress each other and not be the so-called weak one of a group--until they're literally given a choice--stop this, or life will get very difficult, very quickly...so no job, drugs, petty theft, burglary, stealing from people, being homeless. Rarely does it get better when their only friends do the same thing.
Thenedslittlegirl@reddit
This sounds a bit baity tbh. I live in a rough, very working class town and haven’t seen kids behaving like this.
The autism thing in particular is a screaming red flag
Neat-Cartoonist-9797@reddit
Yeah I agree, the fact they said it’s a nice neighbourhood… I think this is fake.
VileyRubes@reddit
That's what I thought. Autistic children are developmentally behind & letting an 8-year-old autistic boy seems a bit strange. He's more likely to be mentally 5. This is no offence to anyone BTW, I'm autistic myself & my parents didn't allow me out with my friends until I was 14 🤷♀️
4tomi5ed@reddit
I'm not talking about this post specifically, but funnily enough growing up I had more aggro from kids in more middle class towns than anywhere else.
Maybe it's a big fish in a small pond mentality where they know there's no real consequences to starting on someone
Big-Bad-Mouse@reddit
Yeah, this is not genuine, it’s rage bait.
Tough-Oven4317@reddit
Call the police every time. You have no idea if they have knives or not, and they are indicating that they do.
oglop121@reddit
yes, one of the things i enjoy most about lviing outside of the uk is the lack of chavvy little cunts
Charlie_Yu@reddit
From Hong Kong. I do see kids doing stupid shit everywhere sometimes. That being said, both of us were teachers so we are not afraid of these idiots at all. I’ll probably just tell them to fuck off
Darkus185@reddit
Welcome to the UK.
Is there no chance you can take your husband to Austria?
Late_Manufacturer157@reddit
Just wondering, do you have a very clean shirt by any chance?
ukbot-nicolabot@reddit
A top level comment (one that is not a reply) should be a good faith and genuine attempt to answer the question
reallycoolguylolhaha@reddit
Hey come on now ops not the borough, they wish they were
Individual-Durian-93@reddit
Either move area or fight back. We can talk all day about how things should be but the reality won't change without resistance - specifically violence. I can't lay out details but essentially it must be anonymous and done without evidence. But the cunts must know who it is.
Annual-Web-8479@reddit
This isn’t normal. This isn’t a nice neighbourhood. I’ve lived in 3 cities and two towns and I’ve never seen this.
wookiewonderland@reddit
Don't react, they love the attention.
SpudFire@reddit
Doesn't sound like a nice area tbh. Most places will have kids acting like untouchable pricks but you seem to have come across far more than I'd expect.
As for what your husband said about not engaging... I don't want to say either way. Speaking out can encourage them to carry on because they know they're getting to you, yet if nobody ever calls out anti social behaviour then it will make these kids think they can get away with anything.
My advice: find contact details for your local councillor and email them with all these issues. Maybe copy in your local MP. Continue keeping them updated whenever something else happen. Might also be worth contacting the police on the non-emergency number to report the more serious problems you've encountered. In fact, you could have called 999 during that first incident in the park.
Also look at whether your local police do coffee mornings or similar with their PCSOs. They do them in my area and it's a good way to speak to them face to face and highlight anti social behaviour. The ones near me will visit problem hotspots and them randomly showing up might be enough to deter these teenagers from visiting the park.
karmakurrency@reddit
Last time some 14-15 year olds did that (bin dumping followed by making comments without my wife confronting) to my wife and kids (in a very well-behaved neighbourhood, with these hooligans on bikes visiting from god knows where, i immediately returned from gym and confronted these young adults and let’s just say, they never came back again.
I’m not advocating taking the law in your hands, but am supportive of strategies to put the fear of God in these kids, for their own development’s sake.
tordyjay@reddit
Not much you can do other than report anti social behaviour to the police non emergency line. Sadly not enough kids are disciplined anymore
RealMrIncredible@reddit
101 would be wrong in the first situation as the children performed various forms of assault and stalking. 999 is for a crime in progress, regardless of whether the police actually show up.
nextmilanhome@reddit
111 would mostly be wrong because it’s the NHS. 101 is the non-emergency Police line.
RealMrIncredible@reddit
You are right. I wrote this on my phone and had a typo. I've updated my comment.
bellabanjsk@reddit
We’ve had a bit of that locally. We are fairly rural - there’s not much for the kids to do around here and it’s not a particularly privileged area. I have found that they have big mouths but weak backbones. I saw three boys doing exactly what you’ve described at our local park recently and a bloke yelled at them. After the bloke left one of the kids got off his bike and cried. His mates went from being pretty aggressive to saying “I can’t believe he spoke like that to us, we’re just kids!” real fast. My honest opinion is that you have to speak to them like they’re going to get a kicking if they don’t stop or sadly get a bloke to yell at them. There’s definitely some serious misogyny happening with the younger generation.
Prudent-Armadillo807@reddit
Very well written.
nopeitsadog@reddit
Oi clean shirt!
lolly12001@reddit
It’s the way uk is going unfortunately if you can just ignore people and don’t let it spoil your day
Smooth-Quantity-7024@reddit
A lot of them are looking for a reaction so the best thing is to not react. As others have said, it'll be a reflection of what they're seeing at home.
Wild-Loss-1979@reddit
They sound delightful kids 🤦🏼♀️ I moved from south of England to Scotland before I had kids as majority are completely feral tbh and I was born there and lived there as kid and adult impart but the parents seem to let them do what they want an no consequences as can’t be bothered raising their own kids , it’s not funny that’s why police have such a hard time of it as parents an kids alike are scummy not like it once was at all. With make Britain great and reform it’s just getting worse too , I go down to see my mum and can’t believe how much it’s changed for the worst.
birchblonde@reddit
Honestly I think you were quite naive to think the kids in the first instance would react well to the ”stop doing what you’re doing because it’s against the rules” argument. They had already emptied a bin, did you think they didn’t realise they were breaking the rules by cycling there? This sort of naivety will unfortunately lead to a contemptuous response.
Fit_Adhesiveness7307@reddit
She’s naive because she’s from a better place where this doesn’t happen. Nothing wrong with that either, personally I’d rather stay naive for life if it meant I don’t have to face any bad things.
IMissMyGpa@reddit
How do you get that shirt so clean mate?
HumanWeetabix@reddit
What area do you live in?
UK society is largely a shitpit of scum and ignorant arseholes these days. Poor behaviour that’s unpunished at home, and kids who know police will do nothing has led to a society where people who stand up to the societal dregs, just get more abuse. Those who don’t, just get walked over.
It’s unfortunately a crap situation to be in. The only real control you have is to raise your own in The best way you can.
For the bikes in the park, ask the boys to be careful around your kids as you don’t want them to get hurt. If they continue pack up and leave. Ignore the bullshit autism call out, it’s used as a societal Get out of Jail Free card.
Fit_Adhesiveness7307@reddit
Yes, I actually do have autism and not only would I never behave like that because I place a lot of importance on fairness and knowing right and wrong, but also I’m usually the target of that kind of nasty behaviour. I don’t believe for a moment that that boy was really autistic.
It pains me to hear that hateful kids like those are using autism as an excuse to abuse and harass people. That kind of thing could end up causing allistics to see autistic people as bad or dangerous or stupid even more than they already do.
nonsequitur__@reddit
This is awful and must have been really unnerving, sorry you’ve experienced this.
Although I understand not wanting to ignore it, I think for the safety of you and your kids (and tbh just avoiding an altercation in front of your kids) I would do so. It sounds like they won’t care about whatever you may say to them.
You could report it via 111. I had a kid come up to me in our local park once, asking if I had a phone and could phone the police for him. He’d seen some teenagers walking through the park carrying a road sign they’d somehow kicked (I presume) out of the ground. Think it was a one way sign, something that may cause an issue anyway. His mum had told him that if anything happened whilst he was out, to ask an adult to call the police for him. I’ll be honest, I probably wouldn’t have called had I been alone as I’d have stupidly assumed someone else would have or that it was pointless, but he was insistent and I didn’t want him to think adults wouldn’t help him if he asked. The police figured out where the teens had got to and sorted it out, but said to not try to speak to them ourselves. You could call about them kicking up the trees and perhaps it may just put the kids off if they do get a talking to.
kitknit81@reddit
This is behaviour seen all over the country and in my opinion the problem is not enough people do stand up to them. There’s too much fear of repercussions for confronting foul mouthed badly behaved kids and teens that no one does it so they just keep doing it and getting worse. And without parental supervision they’ve no consequences for this awful behaviour. Our street has somewhat banded together to confront the kids/teens that cause trouble at our little play park. Amazing what a couple of parents standing together and telling them off in very loud and firm voices will do.
uncleAnwar@reddit
Seen it getting worse lately, and everybody just lets them get away with their bullshit, which usually involves stealing or breaking something. The police can’t do a lot. The shit bag kids are always on electric bikes, and can ride off into areas (down alleyways, through bollards) that the police can’t follow them into. They feel untouchable, and they more or less are. If I lay a finger on them, I can probably kiss my job goodbye.
Traditional-Win354@reddit
I mean... how am i meant to stand up to a gang of children. If i shout or tell them off they'll just laugh and insult me. I can't exactly start sparking them out, no matter how much they deserve it.
tartoran@reddit
Can't, or won't?
Ok-Tea-3802@reddit
Watch the film Heel
MrsSEM84@reddit
It sounds like my neighbourhood. And if it is like mine unfortunately the kids would likely be just as badly behaved if the parents were there, because that’s where they have learnt their behaviour from. In fact some of those parents are riding round my town themselves on scooters with a beer or a joint in hand and equally being rude to complete strangers for fun.
I think your husband is right that you’re going to need to learn to ignore it for the most part. Saying things to these kids rarely leads to any kind of improvement in their behaviour, but could lead to more harassment for you. Over time you will learn who the bad ones are and get better at avoiding them.
Minsc_NBooToo@reddit
I'm in a big south coast city. I'm sure there are kids like this in certain areas but thankfully I've not encountered any
Remote-Pool7787@reddit
This is obviously complete rubbish
Primpos111@reddit
What i can say as a person who moved to UK from Europe, its tragic in many European countries kids are rised by all adults, here no one care at all and theyr allowed to do anything they want, there are no rules to follow this is going nowhere and will bring tragic consequences, how many times i see kids like this doing tash in tram or stealing starling bikes literally ripping safety locks and no one reacts, and iam talking about kids 10yo like
TongaDeMironga@reddit
I grew up in the UK and now am raising my kids in Brazil and bizarrely, it feels much safer here - despite the guns etc. This is because the UK is blighted by anti social crime: little shits with nothing better to do, setting fire to bins or intimidating people etc. That kind of behaviour could get you killed in Brazil.
beernon@reddit
The UK unfortunately has a feral youth problem. The only really way to avoid it is to move to rural/well off neighbourhoods. Sorry about your experiences.
Veenkoira00@reddit
These sort of incidents are quite frequent with GROUPS of boys aged 8–13 ON BIKES. They are still in the first "drunken" feeling of freedom. They are old enough to be out on their own without supervision but not mature enough to restrain themselves. The whole world (as far as they can cycle) is open to them, they can do ANYTHING and easily escape any consequences – and they are testing daily how far and how outrageous they can go. DO NOT challenge them, especially if you are alone with a toddler. The boys' intention to simply frighten an adult (that would give them great pleasure and feeling of power, a one little victory over the enemy) can turn easily into injury to your child – the boys biking skills may not be as great as they imagine. Also opening your mouth may reveal you as a newcomer and make you more of a target. DO NOT lead them to your home – your front windows may get egged or worse.
If you met any of these boys individually in different circumstances, you would never imagine them behaving like that – neither do their parents, so they may not believe any reports they might get about their sweet boys.
Airurando-jin@reddit
OP, treat them like dogs.
That is, the concept of positive conditioning in dog, or conditioning the response you expect and not rewarding the behaviour you don’t want.
If you reward the behaviour of thee kids with a reaction, they will be incentivised to be rude to you again if they become familiar with you in the same area.
Alternatively you can just clap at them, and tell them , 6 out of 10, try harder.
Never give them the reaction they expect.
Also, doesn’t sound like the area you live in is all that nice.
OldEcho@reddit
Child moment. Ask them if they're hippity hoppity in the 67 daddy-o or something. Then ignore them. They will recoil like they have been burned.
Or just move on honestly.
Being prissy and clutching your pearls is bait to kids like this. They want the attention and enjoy getting a rise out of you.
Nearby_Impact_8911@reddit
I agree as soon as those assholes came in with the bikes I would have left.
HELMET_OF_CECH@reddit
The misguided idea that you think their parents wouldn’t approve of their behaviour is laughable. Who do you think they learned this from and likely reinforced it on a daily basis? Their parents will be the stereotypical ones that think their kids are ‘angels’ who can do no wrong even after they burn someone’s house down.
Direct-Fill6249@reddit
Sounds like a bad neighbourhood. This hasn't happened to us thankfully because those kids might be english but myself and wife are Bulgarian and Romanian and we don't take shit like this. If someone fucks around near my kid they are gonna find out. I've heard from a czech friend of mine that had similar to your problems in London and especially on buses because apparently those kids feel untouchable until they come across someone like us.
omniwrench-@reddit
Sounds just like the Romani kids in page hall
They’re absolutely feral
Traditional-Win354@reddit
As the neighbour of an absolute horror, there's only one solution. Record them and post it to local facebook groups. The only time i've seen my neighbours act like parents is when they have to march their demon over to someone's house to apologise because it's been posted on facebook.
LaughingAtSalads@reddit
Two things: get to know local mums so you can raise the subject with them too - and not resist it alone - and tell the community police. A third option will be to photo them and send the photos to the local schools in case those kids are their pupils.
Illustrious-Milk6518@reddit
I would go fucking mental, but it’s how I was brought up. I would grab them by the ear and tell them to learn some respect
alphahydra@reddit
Sounds like a bit of a shithole area, tbh.
Plus, with the second incident, maybe a bit of culture clash. I know people in a lot countries are more emotionally "externalised" than British folk, but here it's not super common for adults to shout stuff like "too fast" out loud to ourselves in the street. It's more of a shake your head and scowl and mutter "fuck sake" under your breath culture (assuming you're not outright confronting the person).
Shouting after cars in the street is the sort of thing that definitely will draw the attention of feral ratbag teens if you live in an area with a lot of them (who ironically do also shout things in the street, as you found).
Aprilprinces@reddit
Look, I live in a rather poor part of town and I have never in my 20 years here seen anything like that; so I'm sorry but your neighbourhood doesn't seem that nice Sure there are naughty kids everywhere, but you're describing truly abnormal number of accidents of such a kind.
Best thing to do? Do not engage - you can't win with feral kids; if they vandalize public property, call council and non emergency police number 101
Nooms88@reddit
I'd personally be moving, sounds like you live somewhere awful and I wouldn't want to raise my children there
Mean-Common-3320@reddit
I’ve never been to Austria, but lived in southern Germany for a few years, and the way you describe your reaction seems familiar, and if Austria is anything like Germany in the way people behave in public spaces, the UK can be a very hard landing. In particular, the way German people make their disapproval very obvious in public spaces does not go down well in the parts of the UK that I know. No-one will feel any need to take your point, and will probably do whatever they are doing more. I have seen behaviour in public spaces in Germany which is normal there, would be likely to result in someone being punched where I grew up in the UK. Not saying one is better than the other, but it is certainly different.
urtcheese@reddit
Trying to talk sense into them is probably the worst thing you can do. Individually these kids might be ok but in a group they are just going to laugh at you.
Either you can ignore, and stay away from them. Or you can confront them aggressively to try and make them scared and see what happens. 12 year olds kids will absolutely be scared of a fully grown man if they think you might attack them, but then you'll either have the police knocking at your door or their parents/older siblings.
Btw this doesn't sound like a nice place to live.
greens1117@reddit
Rage bait BS...
xerker@reddit
I wouldn't count on that necessarily. Monkey see, monkey do.
Your husband is a classic British "stuff upper lip" and "make no drama" person.
I admire your desire to change the world but there is no win here, these kids are very unlikely to change their behaviour because you told them to. Being a dick to toddlers or calling strangers a cunt isn't step-one on the ladder, it's behaviour that comes out of a foundation laid down much beforehand by a lack of discipline given by their care-givers. They're not considerate, nor fearful of the consequences because so far there haven't been any of significance and sadly they're more than likely beyond the point of a stranger telling them to buck their ideas up to jolt them onto a better path. You're more than likely painting a target for your own back.
You don't ignore it. You ignore them. Teach the men and boys, sons, nephews, fathers and friends that the people who disrespect women are sad, pathetic losers.
Sadly a common tale.
Anecdotally, I'd disagree. I live in a nice area, nothing like what you've described has ever happened to me when I'm out and about with my 3 and 1 year olds.
I'd be looking to move to a nicer area.
claireauriga@reddit
A stranger trying to tell off/correct a kid is hoping to invoke either shame or empathy to get them to change their behaviour. Shame doesn't work because you are a stranger: you have no impact on them beyond the immediate moment so why should they care if you disapprove? Getting them to feel empathy for those affected only has a very slight chance of working as if they are seeking stimulation or attention, their brains are not in the right frame to imagine and connect with people they don't know.
Therefore talking to them actually has very little chance of doing anything except entertaining them with the attention, unless you have already connected to them somehow and they have a reason to care about what you think.
duluoz1@reddit
Where on earth have you moved to? Sounds chavvy as hell
TunedOutPlugDin@reddit
Take your phone out and pretend to make a call and speak in German, mid call take some pics of them, pretend to send them , carry on speaking whilst giving them a evil look. When you finish the call, put the phone away and chuckle to yourself and then walk away.
Don't respond to any questions from them. Get inside their heads so they don't want to engage with you again.
James-Worthington@reddit
Ah the Chav take over of Britain is nearly complete yet all the right wingers think it’s the immigrants. No, it’s the scummy white people of this country who have been emboldened by a lack of enforcement on their shitty behaviours and the rest of us just have to put up with it.
ukbot-nicolabot@reddit
A top level comment (one that is not a reply) should be a good faith and genuine attempt to answer the question
Party_Biscotti_7583@reddit
why are you assuming the kids in this story are white?
smd1815@reddit
It's people of all colours. Look at the chaos in Clapham last week.
psychicspanner@reddit
Yeah but they get to blame immigrants so that’s enough for them, Nigel told them that’s reason they don’t have a new Audi on the drive and three foreign holidays a year (oh the irony)….
MurderousButterfly@reddit
When im out and about with my kids and others act inappropriately (although, honestly, not as badly as some of what you have described) I just tall to my kids about how thats not nice behaviour and we should feel sorry for them because they're obviously just trying to get attention from others because they aren't getting it at home. Then I'll talk about the difference between good attention (when you've been nice and people are pleased with you and give you nice things) and bad attention (when you've been horrid and people are angry at you and shout and get cross) I'll suggest that maybe they just need a really big hug and its sad that they think being mean, or saying bad things is acceptable. All while totally ignoring the kid in question.
AndrewHinds67@reddit
Some kids are just little cunts, unfortunately. Time to bring back corporal punishment in schools.
Desafinado777@reddit
Would love to know what part of the country...
It almost sounds made up.
JessicaEccles76@reddit
It must be lovely to be so naive. I live in Birmingham and work in North Solihull and it's an absolute epidemic in both places. Chelmsley Wood bus interchange had to be closed for a few days because of kids assault bus drivers. They also worked out if you lift the hatch at the back of the bus and pull a wire, the bus will shut down. Or they will grab onto the back of the bus to pull them along on a skateboard. Let alone throwing stones at the buses. I had a window break on my lap
Party_Biscotti_7583@reddit
you’ve moved to a dump.
Sufficient_Bag_4551@reddit
Where I live there are a couple of kids like this. They've been excluded from school and the parents are very "they're autistic so you can't say anything".
Not really much you can do. Parents won't parent, not a school you can complain to and the appropriate authorities don't have the resources to do anything.
Best to ignore and try to help your own kids cope
0901Boi@reddit
Lived in three different countries and visited many more. I am yet to see a country where teenagers are as vile as those in the UK. The only times I have felt unsafe in the last 8 years was around teenagers and I live in Cambridge & London. There is a chronic lack of parenting in large parts of the country with children developing little to no civic duty. Just wait until your children start going to school. That’s when the real terror starts.
Arielcinderellaauror@reddit
For the love of God, if you are being followed, never, ever, ever return home. It only tells them where you live. I'd be looking into moving but in the meantime ensure you have cameras outside your house now. I'd also probably not return to any of those areas in the hope these undesirables will eventually forget about you should you choose not to move home.
Interesting_Fish309@reddit
British born n bred little s**ts now a days. Our country is going to pot. Find their mums. Take photos and put on local FB groups. If it was my kids, as most parents agree. They'd be dragged home n punished. Grounded bike taken n marched to clean up the park n apologise to u with flowers n a teddy for lil one. Being British growing up. The person you'd offend would give u what for and you'd get home n get it off ur mum. Now a days kids aren't punished it's a disgrace
thetruedangermouse@reddit
Location Location Location - you live in a bad area and rent/house prices would be cheaper there for this very reason.
DoubleXFemale@reddit
There are some horrid kids round our way too - not all the kids are horrid by a long shot, but some are.
I recently had to get between two kids, as an older kid (who was as big as me) had thrown a younger kid on the ground and was going in for a beating, and I was the only adult there.
With “just” insults, I think ignoring it/walking away can be for the best as saying anything back risks escalation (they won’t want to back down to you in front of their friends), and you don’t want your kids to witness a drawn out, aggressive confrontation involving their mum.
I wouldn’t bother trying to track down and tell any of their parents either, you’d probably just end up with them getting nasty with you as well.
Disastrous-Emu2013@reddit
You can get little body worn cameras that hang around your neck, bouncers wear them, when you’re out and about, to record discreetly, if you want to hand over proof to police who will likely know who these little sods are, and can they compile evidence of antisocial behaviour, a long and arduous process. But it’s hard, we ignore of safety, and in the process it escalates and they get bolder
TremendousCustard@reddit
I'm really sorry you've had such bad experiences.
I wish I could say these are the exception, but I think the way young men and teenagers behave in the UK now is an absolute national embarrassment.
It started with the chav culture in the 2000s - being uneducated was glorified, rap music and the culture and attitudes it espouses became more prevalent, the government basically encouraged teenage parenthood and bad behaviour was rewarded. There was a very palpable shift.
There is no discipline or consequences. This is why. They have no respect for any authority.
There is no way not to talk about this either: We've also had quite a demographic shift in places and unfortunately the reason you or your parents land in a country affects your behaviour towards it. People who have immigrated for jobs and want to be here are different to people who have wound up here because of war or what have you. They don't really want to be part of society as they favour the one they came from. Couple that with many of those cultures treating women like shit and venerating men (I know someone at work who if her 6 year old son is misbehaving, she's not allowed to tell him off and has been berated by her husband for doing so).
We're then telling young white people that they are the cause of all evil in the world and they're "privileged" and their country has done nothing good or anything worth taking a little pride in.
We then have a mix of young people who don't want to be here and are encouraged not to be part of our society by their parents or culture and disillusioned young white people.
Our police are barely there and toothless. The social contract is broken.
If you stand up to them, if you do something even in self-defence, you'll be the one who gets in trouble while they get off scot free, usually with something like "he's had a rough childhood/aspiring footballer/cheeky chappy/he's got ADHD"
It would be a case that if a young man was behaving badly, they'd usually get a short sharp shock in the form of one of their parents smacking them upside their head and the shame and disapproval was a deterrent. Other people may have stepped in or made comments that would embarrass them. Now... if you step in, even verbally, you might end up stabbed.
I haven't seen the way young boys and men behave in the same way in the US or elsewhere in Europe. It's depressing and for me, a real source of shame in being British that we are doing nothing about this culture...
HatOfFlavour@reddit
Teenagers are always shittier behaved in groups, the one that apologised to you daughter after knocking her over is probably how most of them are but the loudest crappiest ones will be who you notice.
If they start trying to interact with you they're bored and want a reaction. Treating them as pathetically funny is possibly the best way to get them to move on. If they're hassling you/ following you go somewhere with more people or enter a shop and pretend to browse and maybe ask the shop owner to tell you when they've left. Or (nuclear option) ring the police and loud enough that they can hear lie and say these boys are hitting your daughter or you see knives/guns this'll make them scarper but might get retaliation if they know enough about you. Also it's possible you'll get a telling off from a police officer.
PinacoladaBunny@reddit
Bloody hell, where the heck do you live? This does not sound like a nice neighbourhood at all. Where I live there are a few kids I’d cross the road if I encountered them, but the vast majority are brought up very well and are polite! I’d be looking to move if I were you OP, it doesn’t sound like a nice place to raise young children.
Terrible-Group-9602@reddit
It looks like you've unfortunately landed in a really bad neighbourhood. Do a little research online and if you can, move.
KentuckyCandy@reddit
Where do you live? This sounds far from the norm for most places.
Confident_Drop8326@reddit
Isn't Austria one of the safest countries in the world? The behaviour of children in the country contribute heavily to that
custard-powder@reddit
Here’s video created to show you how to handle these situations
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sZtLDufsjLU&pp=0gcJCcQBo7VqN5tD&ra=m
Jambomakaveli@reddit
It’s an issue. A big issue. I moved from Scotland to wales 20 years ago to be with my girlfriend, now wife.
Where we live is completely and utterly unrecognisable when it comes to antisocial behaviour.
Years gone by, goi g for a walk etc was great, and you wouldn’t hold any sort of fear. Now it’s like the Wild West!
Motorbikes everywhere, houses being egged, fires being lit etc.
It’s just terrible, and the worst thing is, I can only see it getting worse.
Prestigious_Humor763@reddit
This is not normal behaviour. I would have said something in your place Going to the community(social media) / school / police is your best option. Staying calm and removing yourself from the situation is the safest option. . Unfortunately parents of these children are unlikely to be helpful - they are the sort where they have very little control over their own kids.
TheodoreEDamascus@reddit
In an ideal world, ya be the bigger person.
Shout at them, draw attention to the fact that they're being arseholes.
Oi you little cunt, what the fuck do you think you're doing? I know your parents, do you want me to tell them what you're doing?
Scared-Room-9962@reddit
There's nothing you can do.
The kids know you're powerless, it's why they do it.
Their parents will be as expected.
Some people are just low life scum and it starts young.
Upper-File462@reddit
This is becoming the norm because it's going unchallenged. Kids know they can't be confronted so it ends up that they go on to be shit adults who go on to have kids who do the same thing because they know from their parents, they won't have any repercussions from society or the law. We used to publicly shame bad parents but now those people wear it as a badge of pride and entitlement.
It's a mixture of people wanting attention, individualism, Social media enabling misogyny, the law having its hands tied and social rules becoming too relaxed and also poverty. Can also add the years of poverty porn television, and a country that is losing third spaces, places where there was free/ affordable community activities with adult supervision.
DirectDelivery8@reddit
You have two choices really, scare them off with convincing aggression or removing yourself from the situation. Sometimes the latter can spur them on if you have already engaged. My wife is scared of these types of kinds because of similar experiences. Once upon a time I was a boy like that too. Its essentially boundary testing but on a societal level. They will either learn eventually or not. There's a popular comedy show that depicts this experience as one of the sub stories https://youtu.be/sZtLDufsjLU?si=Hz1kAVUmobacH8vp
mozzarella_destroyer@reddit
These kids are usually wimps when you stand up to them firmly. They act out but are sensitive to being shamed in front of their little mates. Some little shit threw his rubbish next to a bin in front of me last year and I gave him a total earful. He picked it up, apologised a bunch of times and kept very quiet until the bus showed up. Cue a bunch of proud nods from the pensioners. Similar thing happened on a bus a month ago with another kid. Once again, they blubbered apologies afterwards.
I know it seems a little archaic, but a lot of these kids are not being taught boundaries at home. I've found that showing you're 'bigger' seems to do the trick. I don't mean physically (I'm a 5'2 woman) but shaming them loudly and publicly teaches them a lesson. Sadly, it's become the responsibility of communities to discipline young boys now. It can suck, but you have to be firm and harsh.
They're showing off, trying to act big. There is also a big issue with misogyny amongst our young. boys today, so that isn't helping. Telling them 'that isn't very nice' is just going to throw them more ammunition, as it insinuates you're a pushover. I used to work in schools, and respecting authority is a generally challenging thing for a lot of kids. If you can stand your ground and be clear they shouldn't mess with you, they will usually respect that. Extra points if you see them doing the right thing afterwards, thank them, and earnestly. We should discourage bad behaviour and encourage good behaviour, always.
Icy_Exercise_9162@reddit
What neighbourhood are living in? Sounds very dodgy
Healthy_Pilot_6358@reddit
Don’t do anything, remove yourself and your kids from the scenario and call the police when you are safely away. Yes, not all kids are like this but you don’t need to put yourself in danger being around the ones that are bad.
AdemHoog@reddit
Am sorry, a lot of little kids are proper bastsrds these days. Lack of discipline or disinterested parents or general, ongoing societal collapse or something. Keep calm and carry on I guess. Nothing else for it. The British seem to cope by adopting a stiff upper lip and a secret drinking problem, but that's no advice really.
Repulsive_State_7399@reddit
Unfortunately, yes, you shouldn't react and should move away. Not because its right but because they are bold and without consequences. You or your children could get seriously hurt. Even if by some miracle the police did come out quickly, all they would do is speak to the parents, who are invariably worse than the children.
Historical-Rise-1156@reddit
Sadly this is getting to be the norm, your husband is right to say to ignore them but you can approach the community police team and ask them to take note of your concerns but it simply is not safe enough when you are on your own or with young children to challenge the behaviour of other children. I also don’t think that their parents being present would change their behaviour at all
GreetingsFools@reddit
The more you challenge them, the more they'll make life hell for you. Keep away, do.yournown thing alternative is to speak to their parents if its becoming unbearable, unsafe and dangerous. Plus, a male taling to them might make a bugger difference as it might scare them.
V8boyo@reddit
If you feel unsafe around them call the non emergency line and ask for advice. They will probably send a policeman if there's one close. Ask if anyone at the playgroup knows who they are and you can report them. You don't have to live in fear. It's not their right to scare you.
Dazzling_Variety_883@reddit
Where is this? These little shots need battering!