I canceled the order for the 5070, need your advice
Posted by guizounours@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 92 comments
Hello everyone, first of all I would like to thank the enthusiasts and the kindness of everyone on this sub.
I think you're right, 12gb of VRAM stresses me a little bit and clearly seems to me not future proof. The problem is that the 5070ti is currently 800th in my area. So I don't know what to do. What are your recommendations?
I'm aiming for AAA for the most part and being able to keep the map. I am open to any proposals to expand a little bit, thanks.
Paliknight@reddit
9070xt
guizounours@reddit (OP)
Thank you! Does the 9070XT contain Raytracing technologies or similarity with DLSS?
MightyNo22@reddit
what do u want? as per nvidia do u want to play AAA at highest quality 5070 as per ur budget or do u want to future proof with VRAM then 5060ti 16gb but if u want both of two cards then 5070ti 16gb. if u dont care about ray tracing and dlss, 9070xt is better choice.
dont complicate urself. if u can manage get 5070ti. else its either 5070 12gb, 5060ti 16gb, 9070xt 16gb. its about what is ur actual 1st priority.
guizounours@reddit (OP)
I've always been a fan of Nvidia, the problem is VRAM. I often change cards every 4 - 5 years, I would really like to be quiet afterwards. There I found a 5070ti at 800th, but it seems to me to be limited outside the budget, or at least too expensive.
ah__there_is_another@reddit
'If you care about ray tracing and dlss go nvidia' is a bit misleading, the difference in dlss and fsr is barely perceptible now, and same for ray tracing. I'd say 'if you're obsessed about those then go nvidia'. Within your budget, 9070xt is king. Or even the 9070, if the xt costs too much.
Chetan_fun@reddit
You're getting downvoted by Nvidia shills for saying the truth lmao. FSR4 is so good and RT on 9070XT is good enough as well.
jamothebest@reddit
the problem isn’t whether FSR4 is as good as DLSS or not. It’s that there’s way fewer games that support it than DLSS.
also you’re just wrong about the RT being comparable to the 5070ti
Chetan_fun@reddit
Almost every new modern game is going to have FSR4 unless it's sponsored by Nvidia or something. I don't get this notion that devs are supposed to go back to their decade old games to add a technology which came out a year ago.
Secondly, I never compared the RT on a 9070XT to a 5070Ti. It's just good on the 9070XT. If it's a nicely optimised game, you can get 50-60 FPS on the game even with RT on.
trouttwade@reddit
I’m an Nvidia shill and you’re correct, he’s just getting downvoted by the shills that can’t handle the truth. I love my 5070ti, but currently 9070XT is king, and if I didn’t have extra money I’d have went with it no doubt.
IndyPFL@reddit
FSR4 is only on a handful of games and has no backwards compatibility options to upgrade FSR3 games. That's the biggest advantage DLSS has at this point, it's on pretty much every game and older games can be brute-forced to work with newer versions too.
AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity, so naturally they didn't bother doing the same for FSR and also locked it to their newest cards... I want them to do better. I want them to do great and force Nvidia to take their GPU market more seriously. Would help if Intel could catch up too. But the way things stand, Nvidia is still pretty far ahead in most things. Especially since AMD opted to jack up their prices for this last gen...
chillywilly2k@reddit
Barely perceptible is a stretch but FSR is playable now. Their RR sucks ass though
guizounours@reddit (OP)
I can make concessions, on my 3060ti I have never used Raytracing because it is not efficient enough.
I think it's just that I've never had AMD cards for x'a I'm puzzled
ThisDudeEmpty@reddit
After you get it set up you might even prefer it. For me i find the drivers/software to be way better. And from what I've found googling benchmarks the 9070xt is like 5-10% worse at ray tracing than a 5070, so it should still be a massive upgrade from a 3060ti.
TopExplanation138@reddit
I mean the 9070 xt ray tracing actually is pretty good for AMD.
ThisDudeEmpty@reddit
Plenty. Yes technically "not as good as Nvidia" but I'd say it beats the 5070 out of the water. I have a 9070xt, been nothing but impressed with it
InfinitePilgrim@reddit
9070XT will rip through any game you throw at it, even at 4K.
That-Willow-3776@reddit
fsr4 is very similar to dlss 4, and so is fsr 4.1 to dlss 4.5
but for fsr 4.1 you gotta use optiscaller mod to apply the latest fsr while for dlss you might have to do it in some old games but in newer games usually no. a bit more of work wont kill you though, unless you dont bother the extra price
TheEndengineer_2@reddit
Why are people down voting you? Getting hated on for asking a genuine question is crazy 😭
guizounours@reddit (OP)
Reddit, don't look for it. I hated it because I prefer Nvidia while I also open myself to understanding AMD.
elaborateBlackjack@reddit
The 9060XT is similar in performance to the 5070ti, even on Ray tracing is only behind a bit... Path tracing is better on Nvidia's side tho.
FSR4 is AMD's DLSS equivalent and it works pretty well, however it doesn't have as much support as DLSS so you might have to use tools like optiscaler to use it on some games
Ordinary-Gain-4468@reddit
Unless things have drastically changed since launch, 5070ti and 9070xt trade blows. So 9060xt would get smoked
Calm-Bid-8256@reddit
Yeah probably just a typo.
The 9060xt trades blows with the 5060ti
The 9070xt trades blows with the 5070ti
Calm-Bid-8256@reddit
Probably meant to type 9070xt here.
100% agree with the rest though.
Just to add: the new FSR4.1 is actually really close to DLSS in visual quality. I'm really happy with it
SagittaryX@reddit
In raster performance the 9070 XT is equal to the 5070 Ti, depending on the game raytracing performance is around 5070. It supports AMDs FSR4 which is similar in quality to DLSS most of the time, in some details a little inferior, and not supported in as many games as DLSS is.
Paliknight@reddit
Yes but not as good as Nvidia. Look at reviews and see if it works for you.
OkStrategy685@reddit
You're listening to shills. You do see what's happening right? The way things are game devs will have no choice but to optimize for lower hardware, or their sales will be shit. Most people can't afford to just grab a new GPU anymore. Cost of living is through the roof, and prices are the same.
You have to be able to see this, no?
guizounours@reddit (OP)
I think you're right. I'm going to settle for the 5070, I'm just afraid it's a reality and I'm missing VRAM. I'm confused
OkStrategy685@reddit
I'm using a 3070 at 1080p and loving it. I was considering a new GPU but the prices, so I just downgraded my monitor. I still use the 1440p for using audio recording programs.
Get what you can afford, but don't be afraid that 12gb isn't enough. It really is. Especially with the newer cards, they have faster vram.
MadOctopus6@reddit
I highly doubt that with the current state of things 12gb of VRAM isn’t future proof. NVIDIA is delaying 5000s series refresh by a year maybe two and then we have another year or so before 6000 series gets announced/released. As such, 5060/5070 will remain performance targets for a good while. Also your target resolution matters here too, 5060 is plenty for 1080p, and 5070 is good enough for 1440p. Moreover, ask yourself what type of games you have been playing recently and do any of them require more than 12gb of VRAM, because if you are playing multiplayer games mainly you are good with 12gb VRAM for a while as devs try and target as low of a system spec as possible to enable high player counts (for instance, bf6 barely needs more than 8gb VRAM and you can run Finals/Marathon/Arc Raiders rather well even on a handheld). Personally, if you don’t have the money for 5070ti I still wouldn’t get an AMD card as they tend to have more software and driver issues so I would stick with 5070 for that DLSS and stability.
RulyKinkaJou59@reddit
12gb is definitely enough for any game. It is up to the user if they want to use up 6 extra GB of vram just for “epic” textures, which are most of the time aren’t noticeable during gameplay.
That-Willow-3776@reddit
Hell no. 9070xt is miles better to 5070. If someone goes from 9070xt to rtx 5070 he will notice how limited 5070 chip is by vram, and of course regret his choice
I would rather have an excelent gameplay with no stutters and not bother with vram all the time, than buy a worse nvidia GPU just to say i got a nvidia card
EnvironmentHot7630@reddit
Nvidia an amd cards handle vram differently
That-Willow-3776@reddit
Check rhoberly channel and you will find out that there are some games even 9060xt performs smoother than 5070 (which is equal to 4070ti / 4070 super) because of vram problems. What you watched was probably a benchmark with rebar enabled which will lead to way higher vram consuption. Games like star wars jedi survivor or star wars fallen order that consume up to 14.5gb of vram 5070 will just die or you will experience alot of stutters
Just check rhoberly channel and find out, watch a re4 remake 4070ti or super gameplay then watch a gameplay with 9060xt 16 gb. His videos are very long usually higher than 45 minutes, unlike 60 seconds benchmarks. long playthroughs tend to scale vram consumptiom so it just get worse and worse
Not to mention 5070 performance in resident evil requiem, thats less smoother than 5060 ti 16gb
alextpale@reddit
9070 xt? 5060 ti? 9060 xt?
fuers@reddit
9070xt bro. Its neck to neck with 5070ti. In some games 9070xt is better.
guizounours@reddit (OP)
Note, what is the "fair" price of this card? Does it have similar technos to Nvidia?
Tastybaldeagle@reddit
A friend of mine just got a 9070XT for $750.
guizounours@reddit (OP)
Note! Thank you, and is the 9070 a good card too?
Calm-Bid-8256@reddit
Very good GPU. It uses less power and therefore runs cooler than the 9070xt. And is only ~10% behind in performance.
guizounours@reddit (OP)
Oki noted, she also has 16gb of VRAM?
Calm-Bid-8256@reddit
Yes. Only difference to the XT version is the power draw and performance.
Hardware unboxed did a lot of benchmarks on youtube for the 5070ti, 5070, 9070 and 9070xt.
Can highly recommend it.
The 5070 is the slowest out of all of them. The 9070 is ~10% faster.
guizounours@reddit (OP)
This card would be the right middle ground, I would play mostly in QHD. I'm just afraid of regretting not having the dlss etc
M3thodFud@reddit
I have been an Nvidia person since I bought my first GPU for my first build back in 2008 (GTX 260). My last Nvidia GPU was a RTX 3080.
I upgraded to the 9070 (non-XT) mainly for the VRAM and better support for Linux since I dropped Windows after Oct 2025.
I LOVE my 9070. The extra VRAM has been great for the games that need it. I am also quite impressed with FSR 4. The one caveat/minor complaint I have with it is needing to use Optiscaler to inject FSR 4 into most games. However, it takes maybe a minute of my time for each game. I don't regret not having DLSS like I thought I might
I don't use ray tracing, so I can't comment on that.
The one Nvidia feature I do miss a lot is Nvidia Broadcast, specifically for the microphone. I haven't found another program that I like as much as Broadcast for microphone.
So in the end, the one thing I thought I'd miss (DLSS) I don't miss, and something I didn't even think about after going to AMD is something I actually miss (Broadcast).
I'm happy with my purchase and don't regret it one bit!
Beauenheim@reddit
Steelseries Sonar has similar features to Nvidia broadcast just by the way. It works with any brand of headset. I've found that with some Sony Pulse Elites, the best filtering for the Microphone is from Sonar. Of course its a way more complicated program, but it achieves a similar/sometimes better filtering
Calm-Bid-8256@reddit
The 9070 is easily capable of WQHD and is almost overkill for QHD. So you won't need to use upscaling.
But by now, the biggest difference between DLSS and FSR is the availability. Although 99% of new games have FSR4 nowadays.
When we are talking about visual quality FSR4 is super close to DLSS and i'd bet all my money that 99% of gamers couldn't tell them apart while playing.
What games are you mainly playing? More competetive games like Valorant or CS2. Or more AAA single player games
guizounours@reddit (OP)
Competitive and Valorant, mixed use; is an OLED screen necessary or not?
Calm-Bid-8256@reddit
Be aware that competetive games like Valorant are very CPU reliant. So i hope your CPU is powerful enough to sufficiently support the 9070
guizounours@reddit (OP)
J'ai un 5600x, on m'a dit qu'il est suffisant si je joue en 1440p, est ce vrai ?
Calm-Bid-8256@reddit
Yeah pretty good cpu.
You'll still get bottlenecked sometimes by it, depending on which gsme you play. But that's because games Valorant for example needs almost no GPU power and is very CPU reliant.
In other games that are more reliant on GPU, you'll get the full use out of a 9070 at 1440p.
guizounours@reddit (OP)
Nickel, then how about a competitive game I'm going to be good at performance, right?
Calm-Bid-8256@reddit
Yeah you are gonna be fine. You'll get as much FPS as you CPU is able to put out. You can probably find benchmarks for your CPU all over youtube.
If you are CPU bottlenecked you could also just turn up graphic settings that are reliant on GPU, without losing any FPS cause your GPU will have performance to spare.
Calm-Bid-8256@reddit
Not at all. OLEDs are nice to have but in no way necessary.
I play on a 27" 1440p 180hz IPS monitor. You can get a good IPS-panel at 1/4th of the price of an OLED
Big_Boy_Loy@reddit
For your DLSS concern, you could use AMD FSR4 instead. It is a bit more work to get it working on most games compared to DLSS, but if you don’t mind the hassle it's pretty good.
Calm-Bid-8256@reddit
Gotta disagree with that small part. In most games it's just as easy to use as DLSS. Most games coming out support FSR4 natively. And the AMD automatically upgrades it to the FSR4.1 if there's only an older version supported (has to be FSR3.1 or newer).
So you having to do some tweaking with optiscaler to get FSR is more of an exception nowadays.
Logical_Vex@reddit
600-700$. In terms of dlss/fsr yes, FSR 4 is pretty good.
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
Neck to neck ? In raster, sure. Now try this on Crimson Desert and let's all have a laugh
fuers@reddit
Didnt check this game yet but new drivers update is coming in a few days. It will be neck to neck i am sure.
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
It's not a question of driver. It's just that the hardware of an 9070XT is not able to supply enough for that level of RT/PT/RR.
That's why I went for 5070Ti. Devs are implementing more more and more native RT into games ( you can't turn it off natively ). 9070XT isn't able to follow the pace in that precise sector.
InfinitePilgrim@reddit
Rubbish, I run Doom the Dark Ages 4K Native ultra nightmare on my 9070XT, and it never dips below 60FPS
Chetan_fun@reddit
What are you talking about? Even the 5080 fucking struggles with Ray reconstruction in Crimson Desert. It's a joke that you're getting 30 fps on a $1000 card.
fuers@reddit
Fsr 4.5 will be on pair with dlss. Even fsr 4.1 is not far behind. But really i dont care about that. Its all about fps for me.
InfinitePilgrim@reddit
One game doesn't count, Crimson desert is an outlier, 9070XT raster is outstanding on all other games.
Wise-Log-2897@reddit
Look what the 9070xt is priced at. If it's 100 less then the 5070ti get it. If not trust me paying 50-100 for dlss is a good deal. Yeah 9070xt got fsr 4.1 and is close to dlss but still just not as good.
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
100 less ? Still 5070Ti all day long.
EnvironmentHot7630@reddit
Why we fanboying a multibillion dollar company with 90% of market share? People like you are why nvidia card prices are so high
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
Nah buddy. For 100 bucks difference I prefer the better card. It's not a fanboy thing, it's just common sense. More than that is open to discussion.
DLSS is better. RT/PT is better. MFG is non existent on AMD card, you have to use third party apps. CUDA on AMD ? Non existent. Don't forget productivity here.
I'll fanboy it for 100€ more for all thise extra features for sure.
G1ng3rGaming@reddit
Should’ve just kept the 5070 coming, yes it’s less overall VRAM but if it’s story games you’re playing then it’s more than enough. Unless you planned on doing 4K ultrawide then you’d run into issues but if it’s standard 1080p or 1440p then it’d be a perfectly fine card to use
guizounours@reddit (OP)
Yep it would be mostly AAA, some just say that the 12gb of VRAM is likely to be annoying for the future, so I don't know
G1ng3rGaming@reddit
12gb is perfectly fine. If you were looking at high end video editing and stuff then you’d be better considering a higher end card but if it’s casual gaming then it’s more than enough
ExpertFoundation3297@reddit
My 7900xtx with 24gb vram will hold me over
ZaneThePain@reddit
Nvidia just announced a vram compression system for all rtx cards
guizounours@reddit (OP)
That is to say? Can you explain? thx
ZaneThePain@reddit
Basically it shrinks the size of the file the vram is accessing. A least that’s how I understood it.
Soggy-Airline@reddit
Why not look at benchmarks from reputable YouTubers, and then make your decision based on that information?
Looking to Reddit for guidance, you're just gonna get opinions. Just look at the data, which is widely available.
Unless you're lazy and want people to answer and decide for you... that's wild. Then you'll always be in this anxious and indecisive situation.
isekaimetofarfaraway@reddit
Unless you’re really sure you want to play triple A games, on max settings, and your other parts can handle the heat, then yeah 5070 Ti would be better.
Personally I thought I’d do that, bought the 5070 Ti which was considerably more expensive than 5070, then ended up playing 2D platformers and games dark souls. My GPU runs on 15% capacity average. Even if you want to play triple A just don’t play them on release, 12 Gb is more than enough if the game is slightly more optimized.
guizounours@reddit (OP)
The problem is that IT is really too expensive.
isekaimetofarfaraway@reddit
It really just depends on your financial situation. Don’t blindly trust the benchmark minmaxing people. The argument of paying a little more for better specs is always going to be convincing. There’s no end to the slight upgrades and improvements you can make. Let your wallet decide where to draw the line.
Personally even though I didn’t actually get to use it optimally, I am fine with $150-200 extra for ‘future proofing’. Seeing how well it’s handling games I really do think I can just use it for a decade with good maintenance. But if $150-200 is just not worth it for you, all I can say is 5070 is also a perfectly capable GPU. Or get the AMD one. I thought nvidia has better functions, I never actually cared enough to use them. It doesn’t really matter for casual gaming and non tech fanatics.
guizounours@reddit (OP)
Yep, I would have liked to, but the problem is that the 5070ti is currently 40% more expensive
isekaimetofarfaraway@reddit
See? You keep saying that it’s too expensive. TOO. Your wallet has decided. If you really didn’t mind the extra expense you would already have bought it and wouldn’t be flailing around on Reddit (no offense). Look into the AMD one or just get the 5070. Games are going to run just fine with 5070 on 1440p. 100 fps is honestly enough. You don’t need to max the frame rate for triple A games.
I feel like you already made up your mind, and you’re just struggling to get over the imaginary and inconsequential performance of Tiz That’s all I gotta say.
guizounours@reddit (OP)
I also believe and agree with you! I am talking mainly about the recommended selling price, for the moment it is 30% above the MSRP
That-Willow-3776@reddit
9070xt thats it, fsr 4 and over is not bad, frame gen is good enough, vram is perfect, chip power is perfect, adrenaline software in my opnion is better than nvidia app
ofcourse nvidia is always somewhat better but you wont lose too much going for 9070xt
guizounours@reddit (OP)
How much is it usually?
That-Willow-3776@reddit
idk we are from different countries with different market and taxes
CooperDK@reddit
Get a 16 gb 5060. Same it lower price and only 13% slower which means very little unless you run 4k at max settings
guizounours@reddit (OP)
Oh yeah? And what does the 3060ti 16GB give?
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
It's very simple :
You want pure raster, and better value ? 9070XT
You want futureproof card and use all the ( better ) modern tech behind it ? DLSS, RT, PT, RR, MFG ? 5070Ti all day long. But yeah, it's pricier.
guizounours@reddit (OP)
You think so? Because some say that not 12gb of VRAM I will be blocked in the future etc. Which makes me anxious
Party-Sheepherder-98@reddit
What do you mean with "future" ? 4-5 years ? 12GB plenty enough, again, in QHD. Forget 4K.
More than those 4-5 years ? Maybe OK, maybe not, but I wouldn't count on it.
I hate Nvidia for their prices. But you've got to admit, their tech is top notch. 6000 series will double RT/PT/RR/MFG performance. Raster only 30%. All will be injected in AI. Logic step, that's where modern tech is going.
The only ones denying it are the 1% market share owning AMD GPU's.
guizounours@reddit (OP)
Generally I keep a GPU for at least 3 years, for example some say that GTA or other 12gb of VRAM will not be enough but good.. I don't know too much
urza_insane@reddit
I don't know if it's bots or group think but 5070 is fine. Especially given what's happening with RAM princes. RAM optimization is going to be taken much more seriously.
If you can find a good deal on 5070 don't overthink it.
guizounours@reddit (OP)
I'm disgusted because I just canceled my order, I got it for 600 euros. Now I know more than 5070, not 5070 in short. I don't know too much
AdstaOCE@reddit
9070/9070XT