By what objective standard? I am not saying I disagree with you, but you are really not helping your case with such poor logic. Unless you have some belief in a higher power of some sort, the type of objective morality you subscribe to also said slavery was just fine not too long ago. Your “objective” morality is literally just what the dominating culture considers ok. There is no objectivity in that kind of group think.
Unless you have some belief in a higher power of some sort, the type of objective morality you subscribe to also said slavery was just fine not too long ago.
Dumbest fucking comment I've ever read on this site. Congratulations lmao
Great response. It is clear you don’t read much or listen to many philosophical conversations on the subject. And you were clearly interested enough to dig deep down into this thread. Maybe go do some listening and thinking before typing out of your ass.
False equivalency of slavery to disowning your children over something so small isn't relevant to a philosophical conversation. It's average room temperature IQ shitposting.
My comment had nothing to do with trying to make some sort of equivalency between the two. Go read my post again, or please move on. The topic seems to be above your capacity to understand and discuss.
Your comment attempted to pair the concept of right and wrong between slavery and disowning a child via society's level of acceptance of both topics, which is a poor attempt to make "some sort of equivalency" between the two.
You can attempt to spin your comment as something more/larger than a childish attempt to discredit simple concepts but that's really all it is. By your own logic one would argue "Hitler wasn't objectively bad", which society as it evolved can universally agree on. You pointing out that society came to that conclusion doesn't change its relevancy.
My capacity to understand your embarrassing comment is quite a bit higher than my willingness to entertain people with perspectives that rival the "we live in a society" edgelords. This is what stoned high schoolers think is philosophical.
Go read my comment again - you are still missing my point. You are not basing your arguments in anything except what the current society you agree with considers wrong or right. There is no objective moral basis in your argument, which was the point of my previous comments. Clearly they flew over your head, as you are fixated on things I didn't actually say. Your arguments rely completely on trying to attack my character rather than actually argue the point. Just stop.
Nothing flew over my head. Again, the exact same argument could be made that Hitler wasn't objectively bad based on what you've laid out. Same with rape.
This is exactly my point. There is nothing objective about the morality you might hold to. Although you’ve given no rationale for any moral framework, and neither did the person I responded you. You are all just dancing around the point and refusing to answer the question. Have you ever considered politics as a line of work?
The one where single-handedly cancelling a government program that will knowingly lead to the death of at least 500,000 people is an objectively bad thing…
Reddit isn’t real life. The majority of Americans IRL support their country and want American car companies to succeed, even if they have mixed feelings about Musk’s “antics”.
I thought that as well but the 2025 list includes the exact same Cybertruck and it includes the last gen version of the Model Y so lack of testing is not the reason why the 3 and Y are not on this years list.
It's almost identical in exterior dimensions to most pickups. 223"x80"x70-76" is pretty much on par with full-size crew-cab short-bed pickups from every other manufacturer out there.
There is no ban. The Cybertruck was designed only for the US domestic market. There is not a reasonable demand for full size trucks in Europe, so the Cybertruck was not ever intended to go there.
To be fair the IIHS hasn’t change all that much since it came out, they’ve updated the side impact to be harsher and put a rear seat dummy in the frontal tests but that’s it for physical crash testing.
No mate. The BP Mazda3 launched in 2019. The original moderate overlap was introduced in 1995. Small overlap was 2012. Passenger side small overlap was 2017. In 2022, the only overlap change since the BP launched, a small women dummy was added to the 2nd row of the moderate overlap test.
You can check the IIHS's own test changes in this PDF.
Yes, I listed all of the changes that occured after 2019 and linked you that PDF. The updated moderate overlap occured in 2022 and is on page 2, the updated side impact was 2021 and is on page 4.
The rest of the changes are crash avoidance and have nothing to do with the chassis on the car.
The XC90/XC60 are like 10 years old at this point. I think they were rated + when they first came out, but there’s no point in retesting them when it’s the same car.
All still highly rated, but some of the older models only got "acceptable" instead of "good" on the newer side-impact testing but still basically aced everything else
With the Sentra outperforming the Civic and Corolla regarding safety, it's overall a decent little car now. With a hybrid, it'd probably be near the top of the class.
Can't say I'm surprised that not a single GM or Ford got a TSP+. Without reliability, safety, or viable hybrid options, GM and Ford are probably relying solely on blind boomer loyalty now
It’s a whole new generation, so I would certainly hope it’s the safest. When the next gen Civic and Corolla arrive, I would expect that they will have a better structure to achieve the same.
This has more to do with Ford and Chevy being built to NHTSA standards. They have a lot of 5 star ratings there. There are some incompletes for the standard in this article because its a different test.
Seriously, why wouldn't you want to measure things that prevent crashes?
Nobody said that. He's saying it's an avoidance system and has no bearing on the structural integrity of the vehicle in an accident, but if those systems aren't top marks, they won't get the "plus" rating. Everyone is familiar with the concept of "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".
Weird, why do you (or he) think that IIHS is only measuring structural integrity? They aren't. They're also measuring crash avoidance. It's right there in the original document we're talking about.
Nobody said they're only looking at one thing - you're the only one that's insinuating that. His point is valid, as people should be aware that IIHS improvements in testing are there to help people become safer on the road, but that it does not automatically invalidate the positives of an otherwise safe vehicle. Like you said, it's right in the document - crash avoidance is the difference between TSP and TSP+, but TSP+ doesn't inherently mean the vehicle is unsafe in a crash.
You aren't making any sense. The user I responded to said
which have nothing to do with safety in a crash.
I didn't make that up. A vehicle that kills pedestrians is not a safe vehicle. A vehicle that avoids an accident because of a lane departure warning is a more safe vehicle.
OP is specifically talking about when an accident takes place. Not sure how you haven't picked up on that between what they said and what I said twice now, but I'll quote their sentence again for you and bold that part:
IIHS also includes things like lane departure which have nothing to do with safety in a crash.
The avoidance system isn't protecting you when someone else plows into you at a stop or through a red light. That's their point - TSP+ is an advancement in avoidance, but a TSP vehicle isn't inherently bad at protecting you in an accident just because it didn't get top marks for avoidance features. It's important to point out, because people need to review the test results for cars they already own, and see what is actually at risk, versus thinking their car someone became unsafe overnight from being TSP+ on a previous year and only TSP this year.
We have driven plenty over the years and never had an issue with them, recently got to rip a 750hp GTR down a redneck farm road and that was pretty cool. They're good cars that are way cheaper than a Toyota and equally reliable aside from gen 1 and gen 2 Jatcos cars
So you claim, but my wife’s Sentra had to be junked at 60,000 because it lived at the shop and the Versa I rented on my last trip out of town is the most dogshit car I’ve ever driven, an I’ve driven both a Pre-Hyundai Sportage and a Ford Tempo.
A Versa is like 19k brand new, you're not getting a BMW lol, you're getting a no frills basic car, it sucks no less than a base model Trax or Venue and is better than a Mirage by a mile. Try driving a Nissan Z, new Armada, Pathfinder, GTR, or Frontier and see if you still say they suck.
FWIW, one of my friends just recently bought a Nissan Pathfinder and I think overall it's a shockingly good car, to the point where I'd easily pick it over the current Pilot or Highlander. VQ35 and ZF9? Zero Gravity seats? AND Top Safety Pick +? How can you say no to that?
Don't get me wrong, Nissan makes some real stinkers. Like the KR15DDT issues in the Rogue and the ongoing CVT bullshit are just unacceptable. But people who just blindly parrot "hurr durr Neesan bad" are missing out on the potential for some real bargains.
Only car we ever junked was a 1999 Econoline with almost 300k miles because the frame was about to snap from the rust, nobody is junking a Sentra with 60k miles. Just watch Autopartscity on Instagram Reels and see what they get in, I have never seen something that low mile featured on their channel, it's always rust buckets, high mile cars, stuff in need of a major repair with high miles, or wrecked cars. A Sentra with 60k miles is not junker material
It's competing against Tacoma's being sold for 5k over sticker, the Colorado, the Ranger, the shitass Gladiator, the Ridgeline, and the Santa Cruz. The Frontier is sticking with the time tested VQ and 9 speed transmission, the interior is nice, they drive pretty well, they're solid trucks and always have been.
And the Sentra is by far the best value on the market, the drivetrain has been proven reliable for almost a decade and the interior is nice, that's a major win, all for thousands less than a Corolla would cost.
I had a 2024 Rouge as a rental a couple years ago. It was a decent car. Got great MPG in flat eastern NC. Didn’t like the radio/infotainment stuff and the shifter was odd. But it wasn’t terrible
No you didn't lmao. Every Rogue sold in 2025 has Carplay, it's standard with the vehicle, and has been for this entire generation. It's wired Carplay, you plug your phone in and it works, we rented a 2023 down in South Florida and used it the entire time we had it.
Honda switched to a camera based system for its forward collision warning which might be why it didn’t get the top scores for that. Also found it amusing the Civic got marginal on the seatbelt reminders cause it’s not loud enough..it’s already pretty damn annoying and loud, I don’t need it louder..
My wife drove a 2009 Sentra, and it is the reason we would never look at Nissan again. The thing was ok just long enough to dodge lemon laws and then was in and out of the shop for another 40,000 miles until we junked that piece of shit.
The Plus rating is solely for standard vehicle to vehicle crash avoidance tech quality. The Tundra being the only pickup to get a regular TSP is pretty bad.
The only vehicles this sub hates more than all cars that have ever been made are Cybertrucks and anything HMG, and the Cybertruck and a lot of HMG vehicles are on this list lol
mulletstation@reddit
Cybertruck as the only large pickup? Reddits not gonna like that
howyinzdoingnat@reddit
Rather die in a rivian than be seen in a cyber truck
Ok_Break25@reddit
I can’t believe people like you exist in reality
howyinzdoingnat@reddit
Why bc I have eyes and can see how deplorable a cyber truck is in every measurable?
walnut100@reddit
Exactly. Who willingly wears an SS uniform in 2026?
retirednavyguy@reddit
Musk bad. Tesla bad. America bad. 😡
Thank you for coming to my Reddit Ted Talk
EfficientTourist7480@reddit
But musk is objectively a terrible person.
xselimbradleyx@reddit
I don’t think objectively means what you think it means.
dat_tae@reddit
It does and he’s right.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
Which flavor of objective morality are you a subscriber to?
dat_tae@reddit
The one where disowning your child because they’re trans makes you a bad person.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
So which one is that?
dat_tae@reddit
Whichever one you want buddy.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
Sounds like you don’t subscribe to any objective morality then. It’s all about whatever you feel is right. All good.
walnut100@reddit
Disowning your child because they are trans is objectively immoral.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
By what objective standard? I am not saying I disagree with you, but you are really not helping your case with such poor logic. Unless you have some belief in a higher power of some sort, the type of objective morality you subscribe to also said slavery was just fine not too long ago. Your “objective” morality is literally just what the dominating culture considers ok. There is no objectivity in that kind of group think.
walnut100@reddit
Dumbest fucking comment I've ever read on this site. Congratulations lmao
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
Great response. It is clear you don’t read much or listen to many philosophical conversations on the subject. And you were clearly interested enough to dig deep down into this thread. Maybe go do some listening and thinking before typing out of your ass.
walnut100@reddit
False equivalency of slavery to disowning your children over something so small isn't relevant to a philosophical conversation. It's average room temperature IQ shitposting.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
My comment had nothing to do with trying to make some sort of equivalency between the two. Go read my post again, or please move on. The topic seems to be above your capacity to understand and discuss.
walnut100@reddit
Your comment attempted to pair the concept of right and wrong between slavery and disowning a child via society's level of acceptance of both topics, which is a poor attempt to make "some sort of equivalency" between the two.
You can attempt to spin your comment as something more/larger than a childish attempt to discredit simple concepts but that's really all it is. By your own logic one would argue "Hitler wasn't objectively bad", which society as it evolved can universally agree on. You pointing out that society came to that conclusion doesn't change its relevancy.
My capacity to understand your embarrassing comment is quite a bit higher than my willingness to entertain people with perspectives that rival the "we live in a society" edgelords. This is what stoned high schoolers think is philosophical.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
Go read my comment again - you are still missing my point. You are not basing your arguments in anything except what the current society you agree with considers wrong or right. There is no objective moral basis in your argument, which was the point of my previous comments. Clearly they flew over your head, as you are fixated on things I didn't actually say. Your arguments rely completely on trying to attack my character rather than actually argue the point. Just stop.
walnut100@reddit
Nothing flew over my head. Again, the exact same argument could be made that Hitler wasn't objectively bad based on what you've laid out. Same with rape.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
This is exactly my point. There is nothing objective about the morality you might hold to. Although you’ve given no rationale for any moral framework, and neither did the person I responded you. You are all just dancing around the point and refusing to answer the question. Have you ever considered politics as a line of work?
ThatGuyFromCanadia@reddit
The one where single-handedly cancelling a government program that will knowingly lead to the death of at least 500,000 people is an objectively bad thing…
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
Which government program is that?
dat_tae@reddit
USAID.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
And how is this going to lead to 500,000 deaths?
Alive_Internet@reddit
Reddit isn’t real life. The majority of Americans IRL support their country and want American car companies to succeed, even if they have mixed feelings about Musk’s “antics”.
thegooseisloose1982@reddit
The majority of Americans are idiots. Just ask the world.
hiegear@reddit
It’s all true. To just mock it shows a bit of ignorance
r00000000@reddit
Teslas are fine cars, they're overhated on here bc of Musk but they're probably the default car I'd recommend to homeowners.
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bemurda@reddit
Also it has been killing people with fires so it’s not quite as safe as the crash testing implies
ThatGuyFromCanadia@reddit
It is kinda hilarious that the only Tesla that made the list is the one that they are going to cancel within the next couple of years 😭
FrostyFire@reddit
They last tested the Model Y in 2024, and it was the top safety pick that year.
mulletstation@reddit
Not all cars are tested every year, if there's substantial equivalence from the previous model year they just rate it the same.
ThatGuyFromCanadia@reddit
I thought that as well but the 2025 list includes the exact same Cybertruck and it includes the last gen version of the Model Y so lack of testing is not the reason why the 3 and Y are not on this years list.
FrostyFire@reddit
It has had this rating for a long time and Reddit still does not believe it
fiddlythingsATX@reddit
How on earth is it a large pickup?
mulletstation@reddit
Dimensions, weight?
Guessing it's due to how things are measured and classified due to measurements
fiddlythingsATX@reddit
Weight I guess, it’s smaller than most full size trucks and lower spec in basically every way except weight
LordofSpheres@reddit
It's almost identical in exterior dimensions to most pickups. 223"x80"x70-76" is pretty much on par with full-size crew-cab short-bed pickups from every other manufacturer out there.
Spaghetto23@reddit
Enjoy the top safety pick while pedestrians get beheaded by the hood
mulletstation@reddit
Has this happened? Trying to understand the fantasy here
Spaghetto23@reddit
Banned in europe for a reason bud
willpc14@reddit
Is that the reason it's banned in Europe?
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
There is no ban. The Cybertruck was designed only for the US domestic market. There is not a reasonable demand for full size trucks in Europe, so the Cybertruck was not ever intended to go there.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
Citation needed. It was not tested for Eiluripean standards and was never intended for the European market.
mulletstation@reddit
Musk sucks, and all the standard Reddit boilerplate
But has a pedestrian been beheaded by a cybertruck?
Redeemed_Expert9694@reddit
Y u luv Musky
weaponR@reddit
He asked if it's happened. Not where it's banned. Cite an example please.
Jace__B@reddit
It happened in that person's imagination, but it totally counts because they're the protagonist of reality.
NCSUGrad2012@reddit
They’re also not going to like how many Hyundai and Kia’s made the list lol
Innocent-Bystander94@reddit
I don’t think they test for shitty seats crushing kids
Spaghetto23@reddit
You’re on reddit bud
Roid-a-holic_ReX@reddit
What in the bloody hell? Cyber truck does not belong on this list. There goes the credibility of this organization.
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ThatGuyFromCanadia@reddit
It’ll be gone soon when Tesla cancels it for poor sales like they did the S and X
christobevii3@reddit
What signifies a Volvo EX 90 as large suv vs a cx90, atlas, ioniq 9?
Astramael@reddit
Seems that they still haven’t tested the 2026 resigned RAV4 yet. If that is not a Top Safety Pick+ it would be a huge miss from Toyota.
Impressive that the Mazda 3 continues to get a Top Safety Pick+ on an old platform. Tanky little car, I guess having less glass has some advantages.
Captain_Alaska@reddit
To be fair the IIHS hasn’t change all that much since it came out, they’ve updated the side impact to be harsher and put a rear seat dummy in the frontal tests but that’s it for physical crash testing.
DoublePostedBroski@reddit
They changed the overlap tests
Captain_Alaska@reddit
By adding a dummy in the second row, I said that, yes.
DoublePostedBroski@reddit
Uh no? They went from an overlap, to moderate overlap, to now a small overlap. Nothing to do with dummies.
Captain_Alaska@reddit
No mate. The BP Mazda3 launched in 2019. The original moderate overlap was introduced in 1995. Small overlap was 2012. Passenger side small overlap was 2017. In 2022, the only overlap change since the BP launched, a small women dummy was added to the 2nd row of the moderate overlap test.
You can check the IIHS's own test changes in this PDF.
DoublePostedBroski@reddit
The original comment was “the IIHS hasn’t changed.” Your comment here literally contradicts that.
Captain_Alaska@reddit
An ounce of reading comprehension would go a long way. I listed the changes since the BP Mazda3 came out in 2019.
DoublePostedBroski@reddit
An ounce of research says otherwise.
https://www.iihs.org/media/e0908220-e880-4755-8947-7138c14743c1/ONpoNw/Ratings/About%20our%20tests/Evolution%20of%20IIHS%20ratings.pdf
Captain_Alaska@reddit
Yes, I listed all of the changes that occured after 2019 and linked you that PDF. The updated moderate overlap occured in 2022 and is on page 2, the updated side impact was 2021 and is on page 4.
The rest of the changes are crash avoidance and have nothing to do with the chassis on the car.
DoublePostedBroski@reddit
Ok go back and read, again, what you said: “The IIHS hasn’t changed much.”
I literally provided you a white paper with a comprehensive list of changes and you’re saying there hasn’t been.
I’m not going to argue anymore with someone who doesn’t have any iota of comprehension.
Captain_Alaska@reddit
What does the full sentence you keep cropping out say?
Wizard_of_Rozz@reddit
How is minivan not a category
linoleumknife@reddit
What happened to Volvo? They were all over these lists a few years ago. Now it's just the *90 SUVs.
element515@reddit
The cars are super old now. They constantly make the tests harder
DoublePostedBroski@reddit
The XC90/XC60 are like 10 years old at this point. I think they were rated + when they first came out, but there’s no point in retesting them when it’s the same car.
avboden@reddit
All still highly rated, but some of the older models only got "acceptable" instead of "good" on the newer side-impact testing but still basically aced everything else
CorrectCombination11@reddit
Amazing that a Sentra is top pick plus rating. Good job Nissan engineers.
trickedx5@reddit
mercedes not on this list is quite surprising.
Fearless_Neat_6654@reddit (OP)
With the Sentra outperforming the Civic and Corolla regarding safety, it's overall a decent little car now. With a hybrid, it'd probably be near the top of the class.
Can't say I'm surprised that not a single GM or Ford got a TSP+. Without reliability, safety, or viable hybrid options, GM and Ford are probably relying solely on blind boomer loyalty now
Alive_Internet@reddit
It’s a whole new generation, so I would certainly hope it’s the safest. When the next gen Civic and Corolla arrive, I would expect that they will have a better structure to achieve the same.
avoidhugeships@reddit
This has more to do with Ford and Chevy being built to NHTSA standards. They have a lot of 5 star ratings there. There are some incompletes for the standard in this article because its a different test.
snoo-boop@reddit
The best crash is no crash.
Seriously, why wouldn't you want to measure things that prevent crashes?
aprtur@reddit
Nobody said that. He's saying it's an avoidance system and has no bearing on the structural integrity of the vehicle in an accident, but if those systems aren't top marks, they won't get the "plus" rating. Everyone is familiar with the concept of "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".
snoo-boop@reddit
Weird, why do you (or he) think that IIHS is only measuring structural integrity? They aren't. They're also measuring crash avoidance. It's right there in the original document we're talking about.
aprtur@reddit
Nobody said they're only looking at one thing - you're the only one that's insinuating that. His point is valid, as people should be aware that IIHS improvements in testing are there to help people become safer on the road, but that it does not automatically invalidate the positives of an otherwise safe vehicle. Like you said, it's right in the document - crash avoidance is the difference between TSP and TSP+, but TSP+ doesn't inherently mean the vehicle is unsafe in a crash.
snoo-boop@reddit
You aren't making any sense. The user I responded to said
I didn't make that up. A vehicle that kills pedestrians is not a safe vehicle. A vehicle that avoids an accident because of a lane departure warning is a more safe vehicle.
aprtur@reddit
OP is specifically talking about when an accident takes place. Not sure how you haven't picked up on that between what they said and what I said twice now, but I'll quote their sentence again for you and bold that part:
The avoidance system isn't protecting you when someone else plows into you at a stop or through a red light. That's their point - TSP+ is an advancement in avoidance, but a TSP vehicle isn't inherently bad at protecting you in an accident just because it didn't get top marks for avoidance features. It's important to point out, because people need to review the test results for cars they already own, and see what is actually at risk, versus thinking their car someone became unsafe overnight from being TSP+ on a previous year and only TSP this year.
aprtur@reddit
lol....straight to blocking me so I can't respond to this troll response? Says more about you than it does about me, my friend.
snoo-boop@reddit
I’m still sorry you’re confused.
snoo-boop@reddit
I'm sorry you're confused. Apparently you want to repeat yourself a 3rd time, go for it.
india2wallst@reddit
And tariffs
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Its always been a decent economy sedan, you guys just hate Nissan, thats the issue.
OllieFromCairo@reddit
Anyone who's driven a Nissan hates them.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
We have driven plenty over the years and never had an issue with them, recently got to rip a 750hp GTR down a redneck farm road and that was pretty cool. They're good cars that are way cheaper than a Toyota and equally reliable aside from gen 1 and gen 2 Jatcos cars
OllieFromCairo@reddit
So you claim, but my wife’s Sentra had to be junked at 60,000 because it lived at the shop and the Versa I rented on my last trip out of town is the most dogshit car I’ve ever driven, an I’ve driven both a Pre-Hyundai Sportage and a Ford Tempo.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
A Versa is like 19k brand new, you're not getting a BMW lol, you're getting a no frills basic car, it sucks no less than a base model Trax or Venue and is better than a Mirage by a mile. Try driving a Nissan Z, new Armada, Pathfinder, GTR, or Frontier and see if you still say they suck.
kyonkun_denwa@reddit
FWIW, one of my friends just recently bought a Nissan Pathfinder and I think overall it's a shockingly good car, to the point where I'd easily pick it over the current Pilot or Highlander. VQ35 and ZF9? Zero Gravity seats? AND Top Safety Pick +? How can you say no to that?
Don't get me wrong, Nissan makes some real stinkers. Like the KR15DDT issues in the Rogue and the ongoing CVT bullshit are just unacceptable. But people who just blindly parrot "hurr durr Neesan bad" are missing out on the potential for some real bargains.
OllieFromCairo@reddit
The warranty is 3 years/36k bumper-to-bumper and 60,000 powertrain, which is why it got junked at 60k.
I'm surprised you don't know this since you obviously work for a Nissan dealer.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
You didn't junk a car at 60k miles, this is completely untrue, you're literally throwing away a 7-10k vehicle.
OllieFromCairo@reddit
You’ve never junked a car, have you?
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Only car we ever junked was a 1999 Econoline with almost 300k miles because the frame was about to snap from the rust, nobody is junking a Sentra with 60k miles. Just watch Autopartscity on Instagram Reels and see what they get in, I have never seen something that low mile featured on their channel, it's always rust buckets, high mile cars, stuff in need of a major repair with high miles, or wrecked cars. A Sentra with 60k miles is not junker material
OllieFromCairo@reddit
Oh. Your car knowledge comes from Instagram Reels. This explains everything.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Where did I say that?
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Let's not get carried away here. 😆
Lower_Kick268@reddit
It's competing against Tacoma's being sold for 5k over sticker, the Colorado, the Ranger, the shitass Gladiator, the Ridgeline, and the Santa Cruz. The Frontier is sticking with the time tested VQ and 9 speed transmission, the interior is nice, they drive pretty well, they're solid trucks and always have been.
And the Sentra is by far the best value on the market, the drivetrain has been proven reliable for almost a decade and the interior is nice, that's a major win, all for thousands less than a Corolla would cost.
broke_saturn@reddit
I had a 2024 Rouge as a rental a couple years ago. It was a decent car. Got great MPG in flat eastern NC. Didn’t like the radio/infotainment stuff and the shifter was odd. But it wasn’t terrible
OllieFromCairo@reddit
I rented a 2025 that had no CarPlay. In 2025.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
No you didn't lmao. Every Rogue sold in 2025 has Carplay, it's standard with the vehicle, and has been for this entire generation. It's wired Carplay, you plug your phone in and it works, we rented a 2023 down in South Florida and used it the entire time we had it.
Innocent-bystandr@reddit
Nissan sucks but Nissan drivers are even worse
eneka@reddit
Honda switched to a camera based system for its forward collision warning which might be why it didn’t get the top scores for that. Also found it amusing the Civic got marginal on the seatbelt reminders cause it’s not loud enough..it’s already pretty damn annoying and loud, I don’t need it louder..
Redeemed_Expert9694@reddit
Only one GM car (Buick Enclave) gets the regular TSP.
I don't understand how GM managed this, given how many new designs they've recently pumped out
spooksmagee@reddit
They're new and unsafe! /s
OllieFromCairo@reddit
My wife drove a 2009 Sentra, and it is the reason we would never look at Nissan again. The thing was ok just long enough to dodge lemon laws and then was in and out of the shop for another 40,000 miles until we junked that piece of shit.
peakdecline@reddit
Ford's lineup is pretty old frankly. GM has some more recent releases but the company has never prioritized safety and its customers don't either.
Redeemed_Expert9694@reddit
Ford's lineup is older, and it has 3 TSPs vs GM's 1
Popular_Broccoli133@reddit
Where is Model Y?
cloudsofgrey@reddit
Model Y is one of safest vehicles ever tested, no way if they tested it (the 2026 model), it wouldn't be on the list.
SwayingTreeGT@reddit
2025 was a Top Safety Pick+. Doesn’t look like they have a rating for 2026.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
I can't imagine it's any different though, the car itself really isn't any different nor is the testing
SwayingTreeGT@reddit
Depends. The picture on the IIHS website for the Model Y is the “last gen”. They may not have tested the refreshed model yet.
ryzenguy111@reddit
Yeah, 26 is the refresh model
Barson_Crandt@reddit
A little surprised to see the Passport make the list but not the Pilot, considering they’re the basically the same car.
xt1nct@reddit
Old pilot is safety pick…thy probably haven’t tested the 2026 yet. I would be surprised if it didn’t get what passport got.
TheB1ackAdderr@reddit
The Plus rating is solely for standard vehicle to vehicle crash avoidance tech quality. The Tundra being the only pickup to get a regular TSP is pretty bad.
aprtur@reddit
Alternatively, it's a surprisingly high result for the Tundra, given it's a nearly five year old design at this point.
KingKontinuum@reddit
We’re about to see Hyundai Motor Group glazing on a level the world has never seen before
SophistXIII@reddit
Safest cars in the world as long as you're not a toddler
icontranquilis@reddit
The only vehicles this sub hates more than all cars that have ever been made are Cybertrucks and anything HMG, and the Cybertruck and a lot of HMG vehicles are on this list lol
Ill-Train6478@reddit
Wow surprise to see many hyundai kia genesis in their segments