Why is the cyber truck so bad?

[-]

jack-t-o-r-s@reddit

It's a snazzy EV with a box thing on the back.

If we're just discussing the "nuts and bolts" of the cyber truck? It didn't necessarily "blaze a trail" or innovate the segment.

I'm sure it's a fine EV thing. But as a "truck"? Its warm milk.

I've driven and towed it all. I don't care how much HP or torque any truck ever has. I don't care how much gross weight anyone ever tells me you can pull. I'm simply NOT drag racing with a 10k pound trailer. Plain and simple.

The bed design is poor when it comes to the practicality of using a "box" to get things in, out and over.

I think it ultimately fits in with the same "truck use" market as the average Maverick owner.

I don't criticize anyone for buying anything. Buying an F350 today is as arbitrary as every individual who has bought a Corvette or a Porsche. Every Super Duty with a leveling kit and huge wheels and tires just looks ridiculous hauling a trailer with the wear and tear to match.

So, when it comes to the Cybertruck? It's an aggressive fashion statement. And thats fine.

[-]

Cheeko914@reddit

I’ve driven and worked on about two dozen of them at my EV performance shop. People really just miss the point of them. It’s supposed to be something unique and a big piece of technology, not a work truck. Keep in mind it’ll do everything that 95% of truck owners use their trucks for. If you’re charging overnight and not taking cross-country road trips every week, range isn’t something to complain about as with any EV. They don’t drive great, but it feels extremely cool to drive with the extremely short steering ratio (although the turning radius is awful), looking in the rear view mirrors seeing the rear wheels also turning. Something about hauling ass in the CyberBeast (performance trim) is unparalleled. It’s a similar feeling to being on a high torque sport bike where the whole thing wants to leave you behind when you get on it hard.

[-]

jabroni4545@reddit

In some of the first videos of them offroading, they didn't get the offroad update that included lockers that were software locked. There's another viral video of it stuck in some snow in a parking spot. The factory tires are designed for range and efficiency. So they're terrible in mud and snow with little to no siping. Swap the tires and it's pretty capable offroad for what it is, a heavy fully independent suspension vehicle.

[-]

MaximumDerpification@reddit

Proportions = stupid

Design = possibly by a drunk toddler

Quality control = sucks

Company owner = nazi

[-]

Tony-cums@reddit

Last point is 10000% correct.

[-]

bmwlocoAirCooled@reddit

Not made for hauling or towing either.

Thing normal trucks do in spades.

[-]

No_Summer_8717@reddit (OP)

A nazi built the vw bug. A car for the people. Great car. User friendly, decent gas mileage, easy to work on, fairly reliable. All around good car that had longevity for parts, it does its job as a point a to b. I know this is not the comparison or point, my question is more about why cant it get out of 2inches of snow or go down a dirt road. If I had 1 magically appear in my driveway could I get it to be a decent truck with tires and some driver knowledge.

[-]

TheOGRedline@reddit

Compare its capabilities to a comparably priced ford/chevy/gmc/dodge truck and it’s pretty obviously a terrible truck for doing truck things.

[-]

Robins-dad@reddit

How many truck owners use them for doing truck things?

[-]

ItsHisMajesty@reddit

Truck owners buy real trucks.

[-]

Robins-dad@reddit

That’s the biggest lie of all time. It’s like buying a dive watch that never gets wet.

[-]

Cynyr36@reddit

Or never goes deeper than the deep end of the local YMCA pool

[-]

Kseries2497@reddit

Zero. It's a phonomenal flex though.

"If I can piss away six figures on a pile of crap like this, imagine how much money I can spend on something actually good."

[-]

jrileyy229@reddit

I'm not a fan, but saying there are situations your old Camry could get through and the truck could not is ridiculous

[-]

DJScaryTerry@reddit

The doors are sharp enough to cut you while leaving the vehicle.

[-]

TacitRonin20@reddit

They're incredibly heavy and cheaply made. Important suspension components are significantly weaker than they should be, causing them to bend and break in the exact circumstances the cyber truck was advertised for. The panels are glued on and not structural as advertised. The frame is cast aluminum which is... Certainly a choice. The tires are rated for the weight but not much more. They have a ton of electronics and questionable waterproofing.

It's very heavy and not overbuilt enough for its own absurd size. Tesla also encourages people to do truck stuff with it, which has predicable results. They also have bad QC and design choices that obviously weren't tested very extensively.

[-]

yhsong1116@reddit

its not heavy lol wtf are people on about? have you compared it to other EV trucks?

[-]

TacitRonin20@reddit

Lol it's very heavy. It weighs as much as an F350. EVs are heavy in general and the cybertruck is not built well enough for its size. It can't do F350 stuff nor f150 stuff. Compare it to something like a Rivian that's heavy as hell but not famous for destroying itself.

[-]

yhsong1116@reddit

It can tow more than F150 lightning and has longer bed than lightning. the design is... poliaizing to say the least but it does fine in terms of utility. Rivians got small as bed

[-]

espressocycle@reddit

Turns out it's very very hard to make those body panels flat.

[-]

downshiftdata@reddit

There is a mentality in tech that has a problem with "tried and true" solutions. Our stuff must be new and different and screw the status quo and on and on.

Tesla was built by tech bros. And the Cybertruck is the ultimate manifestation of that.

In software, sometimes you get lucky and the tech bro mentality works, and you develop some cool new way of doing stuff that's revolutionary. Usually you don't, but the failures are forgotten and the successes are remembered, so who cares?

But in the real world, with real physics involved...

[-]

jckipps@reddit

Tesla was built by tech bros. And the Cybertruck is the ultimate manifestation of that.

I've heard the theory that the various Tesla models were designed by long-term Tesla engineers that predated Musk. And that the CT was Musk's pet project; one that the Tesla engineers could only hope to 'make less bad'.

Is there any truth to that claim? On the surface, it does seem to explain why the CT is so thoroughly different from the rest of Tesla's offerings.

[-]

ItsHisMajesty@reddit

Tesla was started by a couple of Silicone Valley engineers. Musk came in later and dropped a bunch of $$$ for development and eventual ownership.

[-]

CW_Forums@reddit

You wont get a fair answer on Reddit. Evidenced by two posts referring to Elon as a Nazi and thinking they are adding worthwhile commentary.

Personally I thought the cybertruck looked stupid until I saw one in person. Its a vehicle that looks way better in real life than on camera. And theres nothing like it. Additionally its a high end EV and you've got a real niche.

[-]

IAteTonysLoMein@reddit

Opposite here - didn't realize just how ridiculously stupid they looked until I saw one in person. It looks like an oversized version of what an overenthusiastic but not too bright kid would build for a soapbox derby

[-]

Mindless-Map5267@reddit

Do you need glasses?

[-]

_EnFlaMEd@reddit

They kind of dropped off the reddit radar for me. Have they got quirks ironed out now and are selling like regular cars or have they completely died in the arse?

[-]

IAteTonysLoMein@reddit

Tesla released Q1 numbers a couple days ago. 350k or so between the model 3 and model y. 13k cybertrucks

[-]

BarnBuiltBeaters@reddit

Elon has a lot of kids and a lot of money. My conspiracy theory is that he made the truck one of his kids drew come to life. I mean how cool would that be if you could do that for your kid.

[-]

hodgestein@reddit

Maybe if he actually gave a shit about any of his kids.

[-]

IAteTonysLoMein@reddit

Hey now, little Meat Shield Musk will be the heir to his father's empire, assuming his name isn't also his destiny.

[-]

espressocycle@reddit

It was from an 80s car design game. That was the shape that won. Citroen did it better though.

[-]

EVE_Burner_Account@reddit

is it pretty? no
is it good at being a truck? no
is it good at being transportation? not really (too big to convenient in most situations)
is it good offroad? no (too heavy, no travel, just generally awful)
is it good in snow? no (all the same reasons as its bad offroad, but also headlight literally packs in with snow because its not heated so you cant see anything)

add in the fact that if you get in a fender bender it will be totaled because elon insisted on huge portions be made as single panels of unpainted steel that cannot be repaired.

[-]

BarnBuiltBeaters@reddit

From an engineering point of view its actually pretty impressive and pushes the boundaries. Though I agree...not the best looking thing on the road •48V architecture •Drive by wire system •Proportional steering •Stainless steel body, though already done before •Gigacastings

[-]

jfleury440@reddit

Engineering wise it should have been a good stepping stone for Tesla even if not everybody likes the styling.

The execution was bad though. The concept went overboard and in order to actually build the thing they had to cut so many corners. The build quality ended up bad and a lot of stuff wasn't thought through.

Had they marketed it from the start as something that could do some mild off roading and some hauling and some towing and costs 80k I think people would have been a bit more receptive. There was just such a disconnect between what was promised and what was delivered. People were inclined to be mad at it.

It's honestly such a shame for Tesla and the whole EV industry honestly. If those new technologies you mentioned were put on a vehicle that didn't flop then they would be more quickly adopted for other vehicles.

[-]

No_Summer_8717@reddit (OP)

Im not concerned about the polical view or what anyone thinks of its looks, im interested in why it seems to be so bad at just driving in mediocre situations. It could also be a unbalanced evaluation by only videos of its failure being posted.

[-]

DBDude@reddit

It’s electric with a big battery, so it’s heavy. It doesn’t come standard with snow tires, and those are more important than anything else including 4WD. It doesn’t have mud tires either, and people go mudding with them. Also, most people are buying these as road queens, and they don’t know how to drive on snow or in mud.

It can tow well enough, but gas or diesel trucks costing much less can tow much more. It does tow quite a lot for a truck that’s not ladder frame, far more than any other like the Honda Ridgeline. And in an interesting twist it has much less drag than a normal truck, so towing a tall trailer causes a much higher percentage increase in energy usage (a normal truck leaves a huge turbulent wake that the trailer sits in, making the aerodynamics not that much worse).

Probably the only real technical letdown is that the exoskeleton was supposed to be the frame, but instead they made the metal thinner and used normal (although very large) subframes, although the panels do make it much stiffer than any other truck.

[-]

Rough_Cancel7265@reddit

Long wheelbase, heavy and not the best off road tires of all time

[-]

Portland420informer@reddit

What situations are you referring to where your Camry is less likely to get stuck? How modified is your Camry?

[-]

Autobacs-NSX@reddit

Mostly it came out at the same time the public view of Elon shifted big time.

But also, it was more expensive and less equipped than was originally promised. It had a lot of QC issues and recalls (some extremely dangerous). It was supposed to be a doomsday survival vehicle with bulletproof glass and come with a rigid tent add on. Also, the concept art for it looked about a million times better than the shipped model.

Will it off-road better than your Camry, of course. But will it off-road better than cheaper trucks and 4x4 nope. It’s kind of like a metrosexual version of a real utility vehicle. I don’t mean that to be toxic masculine. Reliability wise they are fine now. Just overpriced for what you get.

[-]

billybaldwinme@reddit

A Nazi made it…