For my 5.7 I run Speer gold dot, because its not exactly like the hornady, fiochi, or H&K ammo. Excellent ammo, fantastic quality control, tested ballistics.
I think it's just missing the flash hole as someone else pointed out, the flame jet from the primer itself cut half the primer cut away. Otherwise the bullet should have left the case.
5.7x28mm Hornady V-Max, the expensive black box shit. Same box of 25 had two major brass QC issues, the first I suspect is missing a flash hole, and the second has the most mangled case neck I’ve ever seen in unfired brass… and that’s coming from someone who dabbles in really shitty Romanian 7.62 Tokarev!
Most of the box had blunted or chipped tips… never buying this garbage again. Can get the exact same projectiles in Fiocchi Hyperperformance which has twice the rounds for the same price per box, and every round from every box I’ve opened looked perfect.
It’s just that US ammo is going downhill quality wise, especially Remington and Winchester. PPU, Sellier, and Fiochi are usually one third of the price, yet have much better quality control.
Core loks? The soft point hunting ammo? I know people who shoot it at deer and the last few boxes I bought in .270 were good, but it's not high end ammo by any means.
PPU, PMC, federal and Sellier are top for me, for the usual stuff. Remington and Winchester both gave me issues, especially with weak ass crimps on .38 special that made them almost unusual with lever actions.
I guess I’d update my statement to say I’ll buy bullets from them but I haven’t bought finished cartridges from them since 2023 after having major issues with both 9mm and .45 critical defense. But then I gotta wonder, why would I buy components from a company I don’t trust to make a finished product?
Interesting. What issues did you have? Just bullet setback? Critical Duty and all other Hornady products I’ve used have been 100% OK for me. At half the cost of the Berger equivalent I’m not expecting the exact same level of quality as far as bullets go but I can still put 10 of them in under 0.5” from 100 so I’m not complaining. No issues with varying BC at extended ranges so far either.
Had some unreliable ignition, setback was rough, and out of 10 boxes of the 124gr 9mm CD I had 2 rounds with a bullet that fell right out of the case. I get it was during the ammo “crisis” following COVID, but that’s still unacceptable for a brand that regularly costs more than Speer Gold Dot.
I believe it, they’ve fucked me on some expensive hunting ammo and then told me it was my guns fault. I’ve reloaded and had loaded for years with no issues and only that box has had multiple issues. No resolution other than being told I’m wrong. Lost a lot of faith in Hornady then so I no longer trust it for anything other than paper or steel.
Don't get me started on Hornady ELD "match" rifle ammo with exposed bullet bearing surface lengths that grossly exceed SAAMI specified freebore length dimensions (even on calibers they submitted to SAAMI, like 22 ARC, 6 ARC and 6 PRC), which is problematic for new chambers.
Factory ammo is supposed to adhere to SAAMI chamber and throat dimensions, if using a cartridge name that's a SAAMI standard one. That's sort of the whole point of SAAMI, so stuff safely fits within established, agreed-upon industry standards.
Hornaday is the only manufacturer I’ve had OAL problems with “high end defense ammo”. Their .45acp critical defense wouldn’t chamber or would get stuck after not firing and I had to jack the slide with the power of god to get it out. Fuck Hornaday. Federal HST is all I carry now in my defense pistol and I have zero issues.
Tons of people have posted pics of Hornady cartridges with significant bullet setback after chambering them a few times in the various guns, CCW and firearm subreddits. Nobody ever seems to post the same issue from other defensive load manufacturers.
Thats some turkish 8mm mauser ammo type shit on the case neck... that is diabolical that made it through qc. Ive seen 100+yo ammo and BP rounds that look better than that
My cousin was informed by a Hornady rep to not buy Hornady rifle ammo because their heart isn’t in rifle ammo anymore. It’s all in handgun ammo. I was surprised too, but I’m just a guy on the Internet….
5.7 has extraction issues as a result of straightwall case.
P90 and most pistols overcome this partiality with a modified blowback system where the barrel slides back a short distance allowing better extraction momentum.
Fixed barrel true direct blowback guns like the Keltec, MPA and several others do not implement improved extraction operating systems and increased chance of this happening.
I thought Hornady was king, and Fiocchi was dirty. I stand corrected. I was confusing Fiocchi with another brand. I feel like I can't trust Hornady with my life now.
I had a Hornady black box of .45 aarp (xtp?) anyway when I chambered it, the round just kept seating deeper and deeper. Threw the round away, yeeted the rest of the box at the range and never looked at that brand again.
Out of a box of 25 rounds, I found two major QC issues. One round must have been missing a flash hole, primer literally grenaded itself. Another round had the most mangled case neck I’ve ever seen in unfired brass.
I dont know how familiar you are, but your description can be provided in the original post before you post, rather than providing it as a comment to your own post.
shadow_prairie_OD@reddit
get into reloading so QC is on you. then you can cause yourself when this happens :)
DumTheGreatish@reddit
For my 5.7 I run Speer gold dot, because its not exactly like the hornady, fiochi, or H&K ammo. Excellent ammo, fantastic quality control, tested ballistics.
Dliverance@reddit
3rd pic, right hand round is a primer that was seated sideways. That’s why the char mark is to the right like that.
GingerVitisBread@reddit
I think it's just missing the flash hole as someone else pointed out, the flame jet from the primer itself cut half the primer cut away. Otherwise the bullet should have left the case.
Dliverance@reddit
I’ve seen it a few times and it’s a lot more likely than a missing flash hole. However, you’re entitled to your opinion on the matter as well.
GingerVitisBread@reddit
Pretty hard to tell from OP's blurry pics, but I have seen them sideways in r/reloading
Dliverance@reddit
I blew it up before making my first comment to confirm. You can see the anvil and all.
GingerVitisBread@reddit
Ye be correct.
Dliverance@reddit
Just don’t tell my wife. She’d find a way to make me wrong.
shit_poster9000@reddit (OP)
5.7x28mm Hornady V-Max, the expensive black box shit. Same box of 25 had two major brass QC issues, the first I suspect is missing a flash hole, and the second has the most mangled case neck I’ve ever seen in unfired brass… and that’s coming from someone who dabbles in really shitty Romanian 7.62 Tokarev!
Most of the box had blunted or chipped tips… never buying this garbage again. Can get the exact same projectiles in Fiocchi Hyperperformance which has twice the rounds for the same price per box, and every round from every box I’ve opened looked perfect.
thepersonbrody@reddit
Fiocchi is underrated
KyllikkiSkjeggestad@reddit
It’s just that US ammo is going downhill quality wise, especially Remington and Winchester. PPU, Sellier, and Fiochi are usually one third of the price, yet have much better quality control.
DumbNTough@reddit
How's Remington green and yellow box these days? They were my baseline "good" ammo for many years.
GingerVitisBread@reddit
Core loks? The soft point hunting ammo? I know people who shoot it at deer and the last few boxes I bought in .270 were good, but it's not high end ammo by any means.
eggiam@reddit
My AR's only get PPU m193, idk why I am a snob for it, but yeah.
saladmunch2@reddit
I find myself always getting ppu, s&b or fiochi. Usually priced great and great quality. I stay away from the other brands unintentionally.
jeffQC1@reddit
PPU, PMC, federal and Sellier are top for me, for the usual stuff. Remington and Winchester both gave me issues, especially with weak ass crimps on .38 special that made them almost unusual with lever actions.
KyllikkiSkjeggestad@reddit
It was also their .38 that gave me issues! I’ve also had issues with their 9mm too, though.
sadoproject@reddit
Had that happen with some SS197SR:
jellybean090497@reddit
Between the mid QC and the fact that they crimp their rounds with hopes and dreams, I’ve given up on them Horny bullets.
SpiritualClub4417@reddit
If someone can make a bullet with the same BC as the ELDMs at any given weight I’d consider it. 75 ELDMs have done right by me
jellybean090497@reddit
I guess I’d update my statement to say I’ll buy bullets from them but I haven’t bought finished cartridges from them since 2023 after having major issues with both 9mm and .45 critical defense. But then I gotta wonder, why would I buy components from a company I don’t trust to make a finished product?
Chieffy765@reddit
You can add .380 and 5.56 critical defense to that list, plenty with missing powder or dead primers.
SpiritualClub4417@reddit
Interesting. What issues did you have? Just bullet setback? Critical Duty and all other Hornady products I’ve used have been 100% OK for me. At half the cost of the Berger equivalent I’m not expecting the exact same level of quality as far as bullets go but I can still put 10 of them in under 0.5” from 100 so I’m not complaining. No issues with varying BC at extended ranges so far either.
jellybean090497@reddit
Had some unreliable ignition, setback was rough, and out of 10 boxes of the 124gr 9mm CD I had 2 rounds with a bullet that fell right out of the case. I get it was during the ammo “crisis” following COVID, but that’s still unacceptable for a brand that regularly costs more than Speer Gold Dot.
SpiritualClub4417@reddit
Yeah that’s rough
Combat_wombat605795@reddit
I believe it, they’ve fucked me on some expensive hunting ammo and then told me it was my guns fault. I’ve reloaded and had loaded for years with no issues and only that box has had multiple issues. No resolution other than being told I’m wrong. Lost a lot of faith in Hornady then so I no longer trust it for anything other than paper or steel.
BigBoarBallistics@reddit
hornady has been going waaaay down in the handgun ammunition QC
longrangehunter@reddit
The only Hornady product worth a damn is their reloading component bullets. Their loaded ammo blows.
Kyrottimus@reddit
Don't get me started on Hornady ELD "match" rifle ammo with exposed bullet bearing surface lengths that grossly exceed SAAMI specified freebore length dimensions (even on calibers they submitted to SAAMI, like 22 ARC, 6 ARC and 6 PRC), which is problematic for new chambers.
SpiritualClub4417@reddit
Wut?
Kyrottimus@reddit
It dont fit.
SpiritualClub4417@reddit
Yeah but people shooting those ultra-long bullets will often use non-SAAMI chambers so….
Kyrottimus@reddit
Factory ammo is supposed to adhere to SAAMI chamber and throat dimensions, if using a cartridge name that's a SAAMI standard one. That's sort of the whole point of SAAMI, so stuff safely fits within established, agreed-upon industry standards.
SpiritualClub4417@reddit
Ah shit man, I was still thinking about just bullets, not loaded ammo. For complete ammo I agree.
eggcheeseburger@reddit
For .223, I love hornady black 75gr.
WombatAnnihilator@reddit
All my homies hate hornady
JediTerrorist@reddit
Hornaday is the only manufacturer I’ve had OAL problems with “high end defense ammo”. Their .45acp critical defense wouldn’t chamber or would get stuck after not firing and I had to jack the slide with the power of god to get it out. Fuck Hornaday. Federal HST is all I carry now in my defense pistol and I have zero issues.
Internal_Werewolf_48@reddit
Tons of people have posted pics of Hornady cartridges with significant bullet setback after chambering them a few times in the various guns, CCW and firearm subreddits. Nobody ever seems to post the same issue from other defensive load manufacturers.
MrPanzerCat@reddit
Thats some turkish 8mm mauser ammo type shit on the case neck... that is diabolical that made it through qc. Ive seen 100+yo ammo and BP rounds that look better than that
IndividualHorse4900@reddit
My cousin was informed by a Hornady rep to not buy Hornady rifle ammo because their heart isn’t in rifle ammo anymore. It’s all in handgun ammo. I was surprised too, but I’m just a guy on the Internet….
shit_poster9000@reddit (OP)
Hilariously, it seems their pistol ammo’s also garbage… or at least their 5.7x28mm is
IndividualHorse4900@reddit
I think that’s still classified as rifle ammo but either way 🤷🏻♂️
shit_poster9000@reddit (OP)
It functionally is haha
dhnguyen@reddit
What else could they possibly be focusing on?
IndividualHorse4900@reddit
They’re focusing on handgun ammo is what he said
Far_Boysenberry8162@reddit
Trying to make everything that people want thus cutting on QC
Logizyme@reddit
What firearm was used?
5.7 has extraction issues as a result of straightwall case.
P90 and most pistols overcome this partiality with a modified blowback system where the barrel slides back a short distance allowing better extraction momentum.
Fixed barrel true direct blowback guns like the Keltec, MPA and several others do not implement improved extraction operating systems and increased chance of this happening.
shit_poster9000@reddit (OP)
PR57, extraction wasn’t the issue, first photo the primer exploded out the back, thought I had a squib. Second round I didn’t even send.
NextEstimate1325@reddit
I'm about at that point where the only thing I buy from Hornady is projectiles.
But my dumbass decided he needed both an RCM and a PRC.
FuddSmack@reddit
Come the fuck on Hornady
Far_Boysenberry8162@reddit
Their QC went to shit over the last few years. Switched to Norma for everything hunting and distance. Never looked back.
Ultrasuperbro2@reddit
I thought Hornady was king, and Fiocchi was dirty. I stand corrected. I was confusing Fiocchi with another brand. I feel like I can't trust Hornady with my life now.
Juice_byllz@reddit
I had a Hornady black box of .45 aarp (xtp?) anyway when I chambered it, the round just kept seating deeper and deeper. Threw the round away, yeeted the rest of the box at the range and never looked at that brand again.
NearbyZombie45@reddit
Any chance you'd like to provide more information? Or are we supposed to guess
shit_poster9000@reddit (OP)
Was still writing the description, sorry.
Out of a box of 25 rounds, I found two major QC issues. One round must have been missing a flash hole, primer literally grenaded itself. Another round had the most mangled case neck I’ve ever seen in unfired brass.
NearbyZombie45@reddit
I dont know how familiar you are, but your description can be provided in the original post before you post, rather than providing it as a comment to your own post.
shit_poster9000@reddit (OP)
Been my experience that most folks rarely if ever check those, so I’ve gone back to dumping it in a comment
NearbyZombie45@reddit
So they should search through the comments instead. Makes sense.
Infinite-Space-2395@reddit
You had to wait 4 minutes for a description...calm the hell down.
NearbyZombie45@reddit
No, you
Infinite-Space-2395@reddit
NearbyZombie45@reddit
I'm not here for you
Infinite-Space-2395@reddit
EchoNineThree@reddit
Everyone puts out garbage these days.
sumguyontheinternet1@reddit
Should see the 180gr gold dot 40sw I just paid a lot for…
moving0target@reddit
Would you call that an out of pocket expense.