Can I buy a 20k car as my first car with a 30k salary?
Posted by TheseMarionberry385@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 345 comments
Im new to car finances so I need other opinions. I’m looking at a 2018-2022 Acura TLX 3.6 A-spec. I’m currently sitting on no savings and I want to go ahead and start rigorously saving for it, like 1k-1.3k a month in savings for this car, while still paying for insurance and what not. I’d save until I reach 2-3/4ths of the total vehicle cost and loan the rest to build credit for future economic ventures. Is this doable?
I’ve driven 2011-16 Acura TL’s and absolutely love the Hondas J series 3.6 so that’s kind of where I’m at.
No_Heron_7773@reddit
This is an easy way to get lost in debt, even paying 1/2 or 3/4 down. We need to break down the actual cost a little more.
If you were to put 1/2 down, the best case scenario in terms of interest is maybe 8%. Which works out to $203 a month, just for the car. Factor in insurance as a young driver and you’re easily paying $200-$400. Gas let’s say would be $150-$250 on the low end, the V-6 A spec has AWD and sport tune which is the least efficient mode. And because this is your hobby you most definitely will spend more on gas than you think. Factor in maintenance savings and that’s another $50-$100 a month.
Your car will end up costing you like $400-$700 a month on a ~$2000 a month income. And this is best case scenario in terms of interest, the reality is probably closer to %12-%15 interest for someone who has zero credit to begin with. Down payment is a secondary factor when lenders consider what rate to give you. Opening a credit card and using it for small purchases is a better way to build credit.
The reality is, if you plan on saving $1-$1.3k a month. You might as well keep saving and buy it outright which would only take you 18-20 months.
Specialist_Lemon_668@reddit
Total vehicle value should NEVER be more than half your annual income, I would honestly stick to a third. So I wouldn’t do it personally, and getting a loan to build credit is a cope, because you need a loan to buy this car because you don’t have the money to cover it outright.
kylestillthatdude@reddit
$2,000 2002 Camry 4 banger. Thank me later.
Invictus-Faeces@reddit
No
Tjay0909@reddit
One real advice, don’t get pressure into buying a new car because your friends have a new car or you finally got a job that you think you can afford a new car.
All the financially literate adults here knows to just buy a cheap car that runs, save up for a couple years and then finally buy one.
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
Your right.
FaithlessnessNo5347@reddit
Keep the POS as long as you can. When it blows up get another POS. For me the only time i buy brand new is if i’m gonna keep it for 5+ years and i know i can afford it for that amount of time
theturban@reddit
I hear your justification, and I see you. I want to let you know you can fuel that hobby and passion with a used car. You can buy a used car that’s very fun and reasonably priced and invest into it with the money you’re not using elsewhere.
Why? Because putting your extra cash into a 401k, ROTH IRA, etc are going to be super important long term. If, down the line, you want that Porsche, Ferrari, etc saving now is part of how you get there.
Slow_Variation_6969@reddit
I financed a car for 7k at 20 years old and I didn't upgrade to my current car 34k purchase price until I was 27, about 3 years ago.
Puzzled_Let8384@reddit
I make 70k and drive a 2003 e46 bmw and 2003 toyota corolla. Both paid for cash and highly clapped out. Guess who gets more bitches, me or my neighbor with his WRX
ILikePastuh@reddit
You’re saying this as if a wrx is a good car lol
atworkslackin@reddit
I was in a similar situation what I did was buy a cheap car then go to the dealer and get what my monthly payment would be. I then put that money every month into a separate account with a little extra since my insurance would also increase for one year to prove I could afford it. After that I had a large down payment and reduced my monthly payments.
PastBuy8484@reddit
Highly suggest looking at any year Pontiac vibe. They’ll last to 300-500k miles easy. Fairly comfortable. Has a fun look but doesn’t look too aged. Most of my family was shocked when I said it was a 2004, they all thought it was less than 10 years old. Can be had in great condition around 5k and holds its resale perfectly.
Buy a 5k car. Do oil changes and wash it once in a while. Then resell it for 4000 in a few years.
Effectively then you spent $1000 for a car for 3 years
RocketDog2001@reddit
If you buy a POS for $2000, save another $2000 and roll the first car into the next one you will be so happy with the improvement.
(Fun fact, POS cars barely depreciate. You might even be able to up the value a little)
Costco_Bob@reddit
Unless they completely break down then they are worth about 500
MNmostlynice@reddit
I’m on number 25 POS lol. I’ve done this for 17 years of driving. My cars aren’t really POS territory anymore, but I’m not taking out loans when I buy new ones.
RocketDog2001@reddit
I did this for 5-6 years until I had enough income to start buying good cars at 5-7 years old for cash.
OperationAsshat@reddit
All my good cars are 20-25 years old, and I've got 4 of them plus an older S10. Motor rebuilds are simple once you know what you are doing and parts are cheap/easy to swap. Just did a teardown on my main car at 250k and it will be set for another 250k with my usual maintenance.
zebrology45@reddit
I’m one number 2 lol. I love my POS cars .
symca09@reddit
I'm still one number 1 POS it's been 5 years and just did brakes, rotors, calipers and trans fluid. Hoping to add another 100k to her already 200k engine.
Lucky_Life5517@reddit
I went through 3 used cars before I bought new, you'll have plenty of time to save up for a nice car one day.
Excellent_Spite_7422@reddit
I don’t know if the used car market is still terrible, but I was car shopping in 2023 and used prices were absolutely horrible. Ended up buying new as the car I wanted was only a few grand more than used with 50k miles or more
OperationAsshat@reddit
If you are able to understand the basics of motors then you go for something much older that isn't remotely as expensive as something 5-10 years old. Older Toyotas are still pretty cheap and you can do a motor rebuild in a weekend if you have all the parts and basic tools.
Personally, I don't touch anything from 2015-now and the cars I have are all from 00-05. As long as you get a known platform they are simple to fix and way cheaper to own long term, unless you live in the rust belt.
Excellent_Spite_7422@reddit
I’m not a car guy. I ended up buying a 2024 Corolla
OperationAsshat@reddit
You don't have to be a car guy to maintain something older. Working on motors isn't that far in the realm of 'car guy' and basic maintenance is something everyone should understand and be able to do.
Excellent_Spite_7422@reddit
That’s true, but as it stands now, I don’t know a damn thing about working on cars.
OperationAsshat@reddit
If you want to save money than learning with basic stuff is the best thing to do. Tools for most jobs are far cheaper than labor cost alone at any shop and you can build up from there.
Fit-Variation7634@reddit
you are making no sense. hes telling you he puts the key in, it starts, he leaves. i dont know whats wrong with you that you cant get him. he doesnt work on cars. you turn the metal key thing. or lately you just walk near it.
thats it. the whole list. why cant you get that?
OperationAsshat@reddit
So you are saying he doesn't know how everything works? It's fine to lack knowledge, but every driver should have a basic understanding of how their vehicle functions. You have a responsibility to understand when something is wrong and be able to determine if the vehicle is safe to drive. Are the brakes, tires, suspension, and steering components functional or are they one bad pothole from sending you into oncoming traffic? That doesn't mean changing them yourself, but if you don't understand when something is wrong then you are nothing but a liability to everyone else on the road.
Everything else is just common sense to understand so you don't get stranded. Checking oil and fluid levels is a bare minimum and the owners manual tells you how to do it. If you rely on a shop for everything then you have no reason to complain about the cost associated with the work or a new vehicle.
Fit-Variation7634@reddit
not remotely accurate
OperationAsshat@reddit
It is accurate, people are just ignorant and don't mind causing wrecks and paying absurdly more money due to their lack of knowledge. If it wasn't accurate then you would have some reasoning as to why, but you don't.
Fit-Variation7634@reddit
youre just saying to DIY everything. thats not remotely accurate. pointless comment.
OperationAsshat@reddit
I'm not saying DIY everything, I'm saying you have a responsibility as a driver to understand the general function of your vehicle. You can DIY the vast majority of things and those who want to save money do that.
There is a baseline understanding that is a requirement to actually be a safe driver. That does not mean you have to do the work, but you still have to understand when something critical is showing signs of failure. From there, people who dislike the cost of vehicles should look further to doing the work themselves.
NoobensMcarthur@reddit
I make over 100k a year, and I’ve driven the same VW for over 15 years. I finally “splurged” last year and bought a $15,000 convertible. I work with people that make less than half what I make and drive brand new cars. I can’t imagine spending 66% of my salary on a fucking car like OP is talking about doing.
nodnarb5792@reddit
Thanks Dave Ramsey
Hansdawgg@reddit
Best advice to be real. So many people lose their future chasing others dreams
len2680@reddit
But if my dreams are to have nice cars well.
Hansdawgg@reddit
Hey man to each their own. So many people think of a “nice car” as a merc or something and get in debt up to their eyeballs to present an image. I bought my luxury car in cash and am glad I did. If that’s your dream work towards it and you got it!
Character-Attempt257@reddit
Nah dude, young guys do it to have fun or chase pussy. You have middle age corpo brain rot if you see it through the lens of worth and image. Try harder to remember your youth.
Hansdawgg@reddit
I mean not wrong for sure. Lots of women do the same thing though and it’s not to chase puss and have fun lol. I know so many women with 60-80k car notes right now it’s wild
len2680@reddit
Even if Ivhad 60k or more to buy a car cash I wouldn’t I might put a nice chunk down or make extra payments.
Hansdawgg@reddit
Hey man to each their own. I don’t like interest and like my money making money for me. No way I would buy new either though to be fair
liamtrades__@reddit
don't drive your net worth ;)
_Abusement_Park_@reddit
This. I have one friend that is VERY financially stable. Owns more than one house. Bought a POS car after college and drove it until it died. Unless cars are really your thing, they are just a tool. Means for transportation. Get one that runs and is reliable, put your money to more important things.
Carsallday@reddit
Came here to say this, dont let other people's material possessions get you into unnecessary stressful debt. Coming from a guy that bought a 370z when they first came out only making barely enough to cover the added car note and higher insurance and enough gas to barely enough to get me to work in the thing on a weekly basis (lived with parents at the time) i didnt even really enjoy driving it like I should have because I was always too worried that if anything happened to it I'd have been totally fucked. Learned my lesson real quick after that one. 😂
dumpitdog@reddit
When J. Paul Getty died he was the richest man in the world and he had never owned a new car. Always make hard asset decisions using the total cost of ownership over the life of the product. That seems like a stretch, never buy a car that exceeds your actual income.
Preezy24@reddit
Can you? Yes. Should you? No! I did this when I was in my 20s. I don’t recommend it.
CompetitiveLab2056@reddit
Why? No! Don’t do this!!!
Popular-War-9338@reddit
I did that at 20 years old and I still say it was the worse financial decision I have ever made. It forced me to work extra jobs just to make the car payment. I was stuck with that payment for 5 years and when I lost my job, the stress to pay off that loan or get it repossessed was high. Long story short don’t do it
Spirited-Holiday-229@reddit
Save up and drop $5-7000 on a used Honda…having a car payment that is more than 10% of your monthly take home is setting you up for failure imo
OkCartographer175@reddit
I make $80k/year and the most expensive/newest car I've ever bought was a 2006 Infiniti G35 for $4000 cash.
Nefilim314@reddit
Didn’t take much scrolling to find this circlejerk.
“I make a million dollars a minute and I would never buy anything more than a stolen bicycle!” - the LARPers of this sub
len2680@reddit
They are fucking annoying can’t take the money with us and I thought this was a car sub.
Datraveller88@reddit
Yep, people act like they can take their money with them. As long as you have all your responsibilities covered if you have money to get a freaking new car at whatever cost get it if you want.
More_Doughnuts@reddit
OP admitted that they DON'T have their responsibilities covered. No credit, no savings, still living at home.
Do you really consider someone living at home with their parents so they have the option of blowing a minimum wage full-time job on a car to be responsible? Is that the majority sentiment here?
OkCartographer175@reddit
Tell me you make less than $80k and have a car payment without telling me...
ethiopian_kid@reddit
yeah but making 500k and saying I won’t buy anything over 20k in a car guys subreddit is stupid lol.
OkCartographer175@reddit
There are plenty of car guys who buy affordable cars and either mod them, simply maintain them, or are just smart enough to not invest into the hobby despite having the interest.
You don't have to spend $50k on a car to "be a car guy".
SirCharles14@reddit
Idk why this is getting downvoted
OkCartographer175@reddit
One can only deduce that this sub has a lot of teenagers with Ferrari posters on their wall, who have never changed the oil in a car and think that being "a car guy" means you have to buy the most expensive car you can afford.
ethiopian_kid@reddit
I don’t think there isn’t a hobby that scales exponentially the more money you have lol. no ones dream car is a $500 beater that sucks. even if you mod yourself, maybe you splurge for that crate engine etc
OkCartographer175@reddit
Ok kiddo
leDanielx2@reddit
Dudes just saying be wise with your money. OPs car is 65% of his income
ethiopian_kid@reddit
we are responding to the people that say they make half a million and don’t buy cars over 20k lol… OP is stupid, but the grandstanding in the car guys subreddit is annoying
leDanielx2@reddit
Okay yeah that scenario is silly and there is plenty of those humble brags for sure
UIUC_grad_dude1@reddit
Hah so true.
DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit
It's easier to do with basic transportation. With an enthusiast car, sometimes you end up a) paying a tax up front to get something that hasn't been fucked with or b) wind up paying more to deal with the results of prior owners.
Marc30599@reddit
This is the way.
Clean_Direction8653@reddit
You scared to go grocery shopping too?
OkCartographer175@reddit
What
chaoticdefault54@reddit
Lmao I bought my current car for about 11k when I made like 45k in 2016. Last year I made almost half a mil and can’t bring myself to spend like 30k on a new one lol
OkCartographer175@reddit
I'd rather buy one for 10k and spend 20k customizing/modding it than spend 30k outright on a car lol. For 30k it better be a fucking race car.
ApprehensiveClub6969@reddit
I’ve done the same to a lesser extent and while I fully believe people should do what they want with their own money, this is horrible financial advice...
A 10k car with 20k in mods is worth 10-15k at best and will almost definitely be harder to sell than the same car stock and well maintained. A 30k car is worth 30k.
Obviously depreciation exists in both case and some special interest cars, once past a certain age can even increase in value, but in general modifications never add anywhere near as much value as they cost. You should look at modding a vehicle as spending fun money, the same as you would spend money on eating out or going on vacation. Enjoy your life as much as your budget allows but just know you’re not getting that money back.
Wavelightning@reddit
Or a minivan.
SAR_89@reddit
This is a ridiculous comment
len2680@reddit
Lol wtf it’s not something you care about and some do. You made 500k in a year 30k ain’t bad if you wanted it.
silicontruffle@reddit
Dam not a bad deal though. When was that? I test drove them and they were all thrashed. Like more drivetrain slop than a semi.
OkCartographer175@reddit
This was maybe like 4 years ago. I sold that one. It was a manual and was cool but I was moving far away (12+ hours) and could only take one car (without making multiple trips or paying for a transprt), so I sold it. Funny enough, I had two G35s at the time. So I still have/drive one, but the one I still have was even cheaper than that. The one I have now was only $1500 because the owner couldn't figure out what was wrong with it and I, knowing these cars well, knew how to fix it so got it for a steal.
silicontruffle@reddit
Nice...
Slight_Manufacturer6@reddit
Our household makes $200k a year and our most expensive car was $30k.
But that was one car, all others have been below $20k
Apprehensive-Eye248@reddit
We are in the same range but I am really cringing at the thought over going over 30k for a car. My used Lexus was an off lease in 2019 for around 25K with 18,000 on it. The car market has gone insane.
TylerDurden2748@reddit
Good for you
Max-LTV@reddit
This is the way, and I like cars.
Vivid-Problem7826@reddit
This person right here, is going to be wealthy someday!!!!
More_Doughnuts@reddit
$30k salary? That's basically minimum wage. And I doubt it's even salary (and instead hourly) which means your earnings could be even lower if your hours get cut at work some weeks. And you admitted you don't have much credit because you're just out of high school AND you have no savings.
You should be looking at a $5k used car if your goal is to be financially responsible. The cool cars you see at those meets? Most of them are owned by older people that put in the work and years to get where they are. You can be there, too, but not on a $30k salary living at home with your parents trying to blow it all on a $20k car.
Excellent_League3718@reddit
Your better off finding a cheap car somewhere on Facebook marketplace as a new car.
WelderEven1958@reddit
No you cannot afford it.
James-robinsontj@reddit
Buy whatever you can afford with cash. You don’t need a car payment at that low salary
Mr-MoneyShift@reddit
People here will say spend 5k or less but that also comes with maintenance costs unless you get lucky or have some good mechanics friends that can help you purchase. My advice is spend about 7-10k. That’s about the sweet spot for a car with minimal maintenance and good reliability. I have a 8k Honda fit that all I’ve done was change some light bulbs and oil changes in the last year
James-robinsontj@reddit
You are correct but pay cash for the car
FergusonBishop@reddit
yep - any of the compact econoboxes can all be had barely used in the 10k range. a used slightly used Bolt or Leaf is dirt cheap and will cost nothing to run.
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
And Y’know that’s really where I’m getting at. I figured maybe at my age if less responsibility I’d have some leeway on buying a car because of how deep I am in the car scene. The Acura TLX are also very manageable cars.
Inner-Sheepherder-84@reddit
What car do you have now?
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
2011 Acura TL with 300k miles on it
devonwillis21@reddit
yes 7-12k is sweet spot for sure, just do diligent research and get a pre purchase inspection from a reliable place, somewhere that actually inspects not just a 18- or 21-point inspection. I would prioritize a reliable drivetrain and low maintenance cost. Older lexus, honda, toyota, or say a mazda 6 is a good sedan that feels and looks worth the price.
Dont get a car your gonna hate in 6 months tho lol.
LastDiveBar510@reddit
New cars also need Maitnence my guy, you can definitely find a reliable car for $5k with no problems. Or if u want something cool u can definitely get a nicer older sports car that’s better and faster in every way than the newer base level sports car u would’ve gotten if u got a new car.
For example is bro wants a mustang he probably can’t afford a new 5.0 but could get a used 2002 cobra for around $5k. Newer car he’d probably have to settle for a v6 or 4 cylinder
NoobensMcarthur@reddit
You’re not getting a decent 2002 cobra for 5k. I had a 96 and even those are going for over 10k.
Hansdawgg@reddit
No joke I still have my original car and it has cost me less than 5k to run it for 15 yrs even including the purchase price (definitely not including gas though). I joke making the decision to keep it is one of the only reasons I could buy my Lexus in cash. I do agree 7-10 can be worth it and you can get something solid for that though.
Zealousideal-Lack866@reddit
Why the fuck would you wanna do that
MrNimbus33@reddit
Seems very expensive for that salary unless someone else is paying your rent/food
Independent_Wash6151@reddit
No.
ethanh333@reddit
This
doombase310@reddit
Only way to get ahead is to live below your means. Buy a reliable car but dont buy to impress.
Desperate-Service634@reddit
No. You can’t
christrades59@reddit
I recommend buying an older 2004-2008 Acura TL even with high mileage it will run for years with proper maintenance. This might sound silly but you’ll learn a lot from working on the car because small things will need to be replaced. I had a TSX as my first car out of highschool had it until I was 21 Years old than bought a Lexus RC cash, best decision in my life was me saving a good amount of money from 18-21 cause I had Lee way like you and was smart about it.
Previous_Device3028@reddit
Why buy and be stuck paying off a 20k car when you can save, invest, get a better job, and buy a 60k car in a few years that you can actually afford? Those same friends who bought those 20k cars will still be stuck with those same cars while you’re rolling around looking like daddy’s money
Previous_Device3028@reddit
Also I’m not advising to buy a 60k car it’s best just to stick with a beater but hey everyone likes nice things
smokenrowboy@reddit
20/4/10 rule
20% down 4 years max financed 10% of your net monthly income = car payment + insurance + maintenance
For example, $2500/mo income
$250/mo car payment+insurance+maintenance budget
Max car price = $13,050
20% down = $2600
A lot of GREAT used sports cars under $13000. Facebook Marketplace, Craigslist, and offerup. Bought many from there. Pay cash or finance through credit union
pdxsilverguy@reddit
Thats $2500 a month gross. $400 payment, if you have good credit. If you're young and male... insurance $300 a month, maybe more. The lender will want your payment to be 250 ish.
UniquelyPeach@reddit
No way in hell is he going to get a payment of $250/month. Lenders do not want to give you money for an older car.
UniquelyPeach@reddit
30k, minus rent, minus other expenses. 20k is stretching your budget. If you have $0 in savings, emergency fund, or car maintenance fund, you will be screwed.
zero_limitz@reddit
Don't take this the wrong way but you would be crazy to buy a new car at a 30k salary. This is a still s low salary, you should instead buy a used car that's good quality and also work on getting your income up.
At 300k salary, I own two cars. One cost me 35k and the other was used at 15k
Camarofeind@reddit
It says it depends on the interest you get. Everyone who says other wise has boomer mentality , let’s say you got 60-72months at 2-3 apr why not but also depends how much you can save up to put down.
itzjung@reddit
No. You need to. Buy a car for like 3k.
Guilty-Hippo-8523@reddit
No get a $5k beater and save your money and work on getting promoted or getting in a field that will pay more
whiskey_piker@reddit
You make $15/hr! You can’t afford a car like this no matter how many completely useless justifications you invent.
Panthera_014@reddit
I usually recommend getting a car under 50% of your gross salary, that you can pay off in 4yrs or less
Definitely this is tougher when making $30k, but it is still a good plan if you can find one
OperationConnect7911@reddit
I make 35k/ year and bought a 23 corolla. I had an old beater truck that became unreliable and needed to figure out something immediately. I’ve recovered now, car almost paid off. If you’re living at a home where you have little bills to pay, no problem. If you also pay rent/bills and all, you could get into trouble and I’d recommend against doing that unless you have a significant down payment.
BorntoBomb@reddit
get a motorcycle (and take the course before hand) save all that money
17jaylen@reddit
lol get a cash car and to build your credit get a tradelineand a secured credit card or amex cashback blue rewards and jus build it from there
Happy-Table-9515@reddit
what do you think? Social media make all your decisions for ya?
professionalfumblr@reddit
Unlikely
One-Lingonberry9944@reddit
No.
LunarQuarry@reddit
Can you? Yeah probably you can get approved. Should you? No, my opinion is to get a cheaper vehicle.
leDanielx2@reddit
I make 85k a year and I’m sweating buying a 14k car. Those TLXs are sweet , but I’m looking at an Acura 10 years older than that
gotcha640@reddit
Do you expect that salary to be going up pretty quickly? My first few years of actual professional work went up pretty quickly - $30k-50-80-100 in the span of maybe 3 years. I was comfortable taking out loans knowing that was very likely with my education and field.
That was also 2003, when the world could only go ip, no limits. I was offered a $600k mortgage on a $90k salary. I didn’t take it, just saying different world.
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
Hopefully, I just started working at BMW I am training to work in sales
traumahawk88@reddit
The real money in car dealerships is getting in as a flat rate mechanic (ie- paid by book rate) and then being good at your job so you can do work faster than the book estimate, thus making more money in the same timeframe.
Commission based income can be amazing, it can also suuuuuuuuuuuuck. Been there. I'd never go back to it.
Getting paid for 7 hours of work you did in 5hr, while squeezing in a 3hr job on top of it, in the same 7 hour span? That's $$$
NoobensMcarthur@reddit
And for every 7 hour job you do in 5 hours there is a laundry list of other jobs that you will never make flag on. I used to be a mechanic. The pay was shit. The sales guys make WAY more than the mechanics, AND they don’t need to buy $50,000 in tools to do so.
There’s a reason there’s a massive mechanic shortage.
ReversEclipse1018@reddit
But then there’s situations like my buddy at Honda. He was making $18/hour. Then the CEO came in and said not enough work is getting done, switched them to flat rate. Now, he’s lucky to get 30 hours of pay each week. They also hired on a new guy, told him that starting pay was $18/hour, and smacked him in the face with flat rate. He never got a check for hourly work.
traumahawk88@reddit
Honda being terrible to customers and employees seems to be about right, at least locally to me. I've never heard anything good from people who have worked at one, or bought from one.
ReversEclipse1018@reddit
My parents are very happy with their sales rep. They’ve bought 3 CR-V’s from him. Same guy since 2015. My buddy on the other hand has several expensive monthly bills that he was barely able to pay before the cut.
randombrowser1@reddit
Sales guys can drive dealer demo vehicles for free.
ApprehensiveClub6969@reddit
Usually only sales managers get to take dealership cars home for personal use in my experience, but OP might be able to find a good deal on a low miles, well maintained trade in that is too old or not high end enough for BMW to put out on the lot. A lot of good trade in cars are wholesaled for cheap because they don’t fit in with the kind of cars a particular dealer sells, especially at a luxury dealership. OP should try to build a good rapport with the sales managers and maybe they’ll be down to sell you a trade in for $5 more than the wholesale offer.
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
I guess I didn’t think to ask!
TolUC21@reddit
Not too late!
Unless of course you already bought the car and you're having second thoughts and posted to reddit to try to justify it to your conscience...
ApprehensiveClub6969@reddit
OK, this detail changes a lot. Please don’t finance a car when you just started working in car sales. Monthly income is really not stable in that job, it’s highly tied to the economy as well as just luck imo and it sounds like you haven’t been doing it long enough to know if you’re naturally skilled at it or not. I’d give it at least a year to figure out what your average monthly income is going to be like before you finance anything. In the meantime you can save up as much as possible to lower your monthly payments, which will be good if you have a couple lean months in a row, which is a not if but when scenario in car sales.
Saying this as a former car salesman. I had a couple good first months which in hindsight were probably more beginner’s luck than anything, and thought I was going to buy myself a 5 year old BMW 7 series at 22. That did not pan out, lol.
oppositelock27@reddit
Car sales is brutal with high turnover. I would not put myself in a financial hole until I had stable long term employment.
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
Very understandable
FreDEV_OFFICIAL@reddit
Here is my suggestion, find a couple cheap cars and hire someone (or a friend who knows cars well) to come with you when you go look at them to inspect those cars, find the best one and buy it, learn how to do all maintenance yourself, to save costs on shops and shit. Drive it till it dies and repeat. Last year i bought a cheap car for 700 euros and have driven like 35k km with it so far, do all maintenance myself and so far this car has maybe cost me 2500 in total with maintenance. If it dies, i look for another one
simola-@reddit
Don’t do it. The best financial decision I’ve made was to pay off my car immediately and only buy new ones in full. It’s not always possible but so far I only had to finance one car and that was my ex wife’s due to her neglecting her old car.
My 07 Elantra cost me $1000 cash and $2000 worth of parts to get it to perfect driving condition. Now it drives better than my friends 2018 accord so newer doesn’t always mean better if not maintained properly.
Now as far as new cars go just don’t
Some_Caregiver3429@reddit
I finance a 2015 Lexus back in 2018. Its on coilovers, tints, subs. its fun to drive but i just wanna drive a car and now worry about damaging it. its paid off now but in 2024 i brought a 03 camry I love this thing, its has cheap insurance, 15 gal gas tank, comes with with full spare, parts are cheap af and its easy to work on. Sometimes I think i should've gotten a beater a first car.
xShire_Reeve@reddit
No! You might be able to squeeze payments now but a year or two from now life can be totally different and you can be living paycheck to paycheck. You still have to pay insurance, vehicle registrations, and maintenance cost.
No_Ambassador6102@reddit
You better buy an old Honda mane.
JksonBlkson@reddit
Get a 2k marketplace beater and put whatever you want on it. Cheaper and more character
Askada@reddit
No, with that kind of salary you should look into getting 4-5k car at best.
CapMountain4225@reddit
doable, but only if you stay disciplined and don’t stretch yourself too thin.
HEROxDivine@reddit
It’s wild an used Acura is $20k. Back in 2018, I got 2019 base for $28.4 OTD
Awkward_Shower19@reddit
No
adultdaycare81@reddit
If aren’t the kind of person who keeps an Emergency Fund and reserves for things like maintenance etc now. Maybe address that before you take a car loan out.
There are a million old TL’s or RL’s you can buy cash if you really love the J series. Just have $5k put to the side for emergencies and $2000 for Tires, Brakes, Oil and a Battery when you first buy the car.
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
The idea is to save a majority of money, mostly looking at around 15k down payment and let that remaining 5k build my credit score
adultdaycare81@reddit
That requires saving $25k total imo
Kofuku-@reddit
I’ll go against the patches here and tell you why maybe you SHOULD get that car. If that’s the car you want to get, and you see yourself just driving that until it breaks down, go get the car, but save up and buy it all cash. That’s 1 year and 8 months to save. None of that financing crap. The car won’t go anywhere.
Sure, you can save up, put 4g into a used beater, but I’ve had my fair share of “I wish I had” when I had a car I didn’t like. Car problems, stress. No motivation. I was your age once and wanted a cool Scion FRS back in 2012 and didn’t get it. Fast forward I’m driving my RF Miata, and my income increased over time and I’m happier everyday driving it to work and I feel more motivated because I achieved what I worked hard for. Getting that sorted out early on (obviously making sure that’s the car you really want), is a big stressor that you can get out your system. Your income will go up, as long as you’re continuing to work and build your career, so that $20k will go a long way for you.
samu970@reddit
Get a 10k car to start. At most. Definitely not 20 if you are making 30. Don’t screw yourself. You can message me if you need help shopping or understanding what you are getting into.
bmxracers@reddit
No. About 5k tops.
user_9780@reddit
According to any book about managing personal finances - no.
You can afford 3k-6k (max total cost) car.
Responsible-Top7305@reddit
Don't do it... You're going to regret it eventually as you'll realize how much money goes into your car. Monthly payments, insurance, premium gas (recommended) and not great mpg.
It's not just a $20k car. It's a $20k entry level luxury sports car.
Booyahshakeit1@reddit
If u can pay the car payment and insurance payment both with one weeks pay then u can afford it if u can’t then its too much
Sea-Newspaper-7643@reddit
Cheap, shitty cash car. Save all that money, invest some. When your shitbox breaks down you’ll have cash to buy another without making too big a dent. Rinse and repeat.
A 2006-ish Grand Marquis in decent shape with reasonable miles will run you less than $4k and be a comfortable, reliable car.
Nobody making $30k a year needs a fucking Acura. That’s just supid.
unpolire@reddit
Spend $5,000 for your first car.
LiveMarionberry3694@reddit
Fuck no
NewUnderstanding4901@reddit
how many dependents do you have
Relative_Drop3216@reddit
Absolutely…. NOT.
PracticalBeat4167@reddit
Plz don't. Buy a 10k reliable daily. If you want the Honda/Acura engine and fun, get the accord 2.0T and call it a day
zdriveee@reddit
You can make the payments, but what is your plan for the future?
Do you still want to be living at home at 23?
RandomInternetGuy545@reddit
Dude I make over 80k and 30k for a vehicle is a push. I try to hover 15k or less.
TolUC21@reddit
I also make right around $80k. I can't imagine buying a $70k-$80k car
Abject-Ad-6336@reddit
I bought a 28k car on a 61k salary now making 85k and I kinda regret it. Car payments add up and gas is insanely expensive if you’re stuck with only premium
spinonesarethebest@reddit
No. Buy a beater and drive it until it drops. Repeat until you have learned not to do dumb stuff like this. Then pay cash for whatever you want.
Rumpelteazer45@reddit
Ummmm that’s a terrible financial decision.
How are you going to afford repairs on a luxury car making $30k per year? Is the plan to just keep living with your parents?
How you end up with good credit is by making smart decisions.
I make 158k base, plus bonuses which takes me above 170k. I drive a 2019 civic. No debt.
LeftOutlandishness14@reddit
No. Thats gonna murder the rest of your budget. Especially when you check insurance prices. Id go 7.5k car
Snowologist@reddit
You make almost no money bro just get a used car under 10k
sugarfreematcha@reddit
I made the mistake of spending way too much money on cars (100k for 2 cars total) ended up selling them after 3 years and luckily made out okay because covid but I would of been screwed if covid didn’t happen. Now I drive. Honda fit I paid 10k for. I make 78k after tax and I would not even spend 20k on a car 😂
Flintlock1990@reddit
Dumb decision….
TJHawk206@reddit
No
SavageBean14@reddit
No, don’t do it. Yeah it’s a nice car but it’s going to be a struggle if you’re cutting it that close. Get a good cheap Toyota/Honda and ride it out for a while until you make more or save up for that nicer car.
Narrow_Apartment7344@reddit
No. There is care repair, maintenace, insurance and gas A good car for less
OrdinaryNectarine406@reddit
Don't do it. You'll be car poor.
kewissman@reddit
Can you? Sure.
Should you? Nope.
Fabulous_Force9868@reddit
Get a old car that's cheap to build skills on driving and maintaining a car before spending real money on one. And car payments suck no matter if you can afford it
Package_Objective@reddit
Buy a 3k car.
reflextions@reddit
I make 150k per year and a huge car guy. I have a rav4 350z and big turbo 335i. All paid in cash over time. I could easily have a 100k car on a payment but it’s just a bad way to spend money. Work your way up. You will end up appreciating the steps of progression. There is always time for more.
Shawnmc7@reddit
Can you ? Maybe should you? No
ImmaZoni@reddit
Sounds like your a car guy, why not buy a cheap civic or whatever, and customize it to your liking?
You will get more respect from the car guys for having a project car that you have put blood sweat and tears into than you will for buying a vanilla lot car and struggling to pay for it.
Then you will get the cool car respect and be following sound financial rules at the same time.
30k is just far to low to justify this, it's 66% of your annual salary, general rule of thumb with big purchases is 20-25% at most.
InternetExploder87@reddit
Don't buy it until you can cover your down payment (whatever gets you to a monthly your comfortable with), AND still have money in your savings account. You don't want to buy the car then constantly be stressing about what happens if you need to go to the doctor, or make an unplanned repair, or replace something in your house that breaks. It's 100% not worth the stress.
ratchet_thunderstud0@reddit
Used to be a good rule of thumb was that every $1000 financed equaled $16.70 in payment. So $20k was roughly $350/month.
30k salary = $2500/month gross. After benefits and tax maybe $1980 per month. Two paychecks per month, $990 per check take home. Now subtract rent, groceries, utilities, gas, food, phone, savings, inurance, and entertainment, what do you have left?
Half of that is what you can afford.
Extreme_Design6936@reddit
Honestly man if you can save for it you can get it. I know all these people are talking from a car is a tool perspective but when it's your hobby, if you can save for your hobby then do it.
Only issue is that 30k income is really really low for a lot of the US. Really struggling to see how you could save 1k a month.
Also you are going to be in a much more stable financial situation if you saved that money and didn't spend it on a car. Maybe save some then start saving for the car. That way you still have some emergency funds for whatever life throws at you.
WholeGarden7590@reddit
Would you plan on keeping this car stock?
IndependencePale3654@reddit
are you fucking crazy? No. You can't possibly afford a $20K car. Buy a $5K car, in cash.
ImplicitWeevil@reddit
You can do whatever you want bro.
Careless-Customer90@reddit
What job are you in? If it’s commission based, do it, if not, don’t. This is “boy math”, but it’s not entirely false if you are in sales. When I was new in sales I got a nicer car I couldn’t afford, it became affordable real quick waking up everyday trying to live up to the person that should be driving that car Lol
BestTyming@reddit
No sir not at all. I’m at 72k and even a $20k-$25k car wasn’t a good idea for me
You should not buy a car that cost 90% of your before or after pay. Period.
hung_like__podrick@reddit
Lol no
Bill_747@reddit
If you got a heavy down payment that is like 10k or 15k I think you should be ok if you hit really good credit
rochford77@reddit
Fwiw I make over 100k and 185k household before taxes. We currently have no car payments. Have a very affordable mortgage (2k/month). Ive been at my job for 9 years and my wife 8. And I am STRUGGLING with the idea of purchasing a 50k vehicle, even putting 10k down and having a car that is worth 8/9k private (5-6k trade in). I can afford it but it will significantly impact my disposal income.
Buying a car that 80% of your income after taxes is fuckin WILD
Bootychomper23@reddit
Paying for cars sucks after the first payment and especially after a bunch of annoying repairs. Go cheap it’s the biggest waste of money you can do
Glum_Lock4177@reddit
Buy a car you can afford but don’t buy a cheap car also that you can fix up. That’s real dumb advice. Cool thing about cars that need a decent amount of work… they always need work.
hemibearcuda@reddit
Whatever you do find out the insurance cost first.
I bought a car once in my youth because I could afford the monthly payment.
I then soon learned that the insurance was higher per month than the payment.
At 23 a 93 mustang 5.0 convertible cost me 240$ per month payment and $250 per month insurance in 1997.
It nearly bankrupted me.
Abe_james@reddit
Wouldn’t even do it, be smart
Competitive-Bar-9300@reddit
You're at a time in your life where your expenses are the lowest they will ever be. Embrace that to get savings and investment accounts like a 401(k) for retirement and have a head start. Because a car might be cool now, but you'll have to contribute to a household and rent and groceries and everything else then. Even the biggest car guys would probably say the smart thing to do is buy a cheaper project car if you need to, and save some damn money.
And no, there will never be a world where buying a 20k car when you make 30k is going to be a good idea, cash or loan. That's not enough income to live comfortably on most places, it isn't going to feel like much money when you have responsibilities. If you save that 1-1.3k a month all year, you're 12-15k ahead on college or buying a house. And either of those things - growing income or appreciating assets - is way more important and will help you get a car you like in the future.
Heinz_Legend@reddit
Can? Yes.
Should? No.
Big-Chungus-12@reddit
I understand your sentiment, I was able to buy a 20k Camry. SE but I make 115k and live at home and even that was a bit of a reach for me. I had a 08 civic and a 01 Xterra before that. Buy a beater and upgrade when your finances change
liamtrades__@reddit
There's nothing about "car finance" that is different from any finance. Buying a car that is 2/3s of your take home income is not smart. Save money, get your bread up. Have a beautiful emergency fund. Then buy some stocks. It'll make your life way better than a cool car ever will. There will always be more cool cars to buy. You also don't need to finance a car to have good credit. I have an 800+ credit score and have never financed a car.
Desperate_Exercise13@reddit
I think that’s too much for a 30k salary. You still have rent, food, insurance, savings to build…
grfx01@reddit
Buy a used one for 5k a Corolla over 2015
HumbleLife69@reddit
I make $450k and drive a 2012 535
Seymourg3@reddit
You likely can. You absolutely should not. I wouldn’t drive a car worth more than 5K on a 30k salary.
the_old_gray_goose@reddit
At $30k per year you should be looking for a $1000 Buick Century and drive that until you're making more money
Justaviewer10@reddit
I’d recommend just waiting a few more years before buying one so you can afford it all up front. Unless you get a really good interest rate then maybe finance with still a good chunk down
I recommend investing the money you would spend right now on the car and then when you do buy it you’ll have some profit.
The reason for this is hopefully you’ll be making more in a few years so you can afford the same level of investments while paying off the car
Just my thoughts
InvocatioNDotA@reddit
30k salary you gotta be driving a $600 corolla
NCSUGrad2012@reddit
Just sold an MDX with 282k on it. I got $3,000 for it. You aren’t getting a running car for $600, lol
ethiopian_kid@reddit
that’s a full size suv… how much is a doge neon with 300k miles going for
bihari_baller@reddit
r/whatcarshouldibuy is leaking.
Jealous-Adeptness-16@reddit
$600 corollas dont exist anymore unless they’re at the scrap yard.
ilikestuff1231234@reddit
Got my running geneisis coupe project car at a scrap yard for 1200 bucks. 20k later she makes 720whp 😂
bonchokey@reddit
Bro put 20k into a Hyundai I'm crine
ilikestuff1231234@reddit
720whp in a 300lbs car is a pretty fun car. It was just another project lol. I build cars as a hobby. Wanted to do something new since you don’t see too many gen coupes at high power
Portland420informer@reddit
My motorcycle weighed more than 300lbs
ilikestuff1231234@reddit
It was clearly a typo lol. You should’ve known it meant to say 3000
bonchokey@reddit
I'm just talking shit that's pretty wild
richardjai@reddit
Absolutely! Do it.
If you wanna be broke.
Special-Original-215@reddit
You making $15hr and want a car that's $20k. That's crazy talk. Don't forget about gas, insurance and maintenance.
blunt-but-true@reddit
If u make 30k u can buy a 30k car. Dont settle. A car is a status symbol. Flex your power onto others
CuckservativeSissy@reddit
Just remember cars are for utility. Great if you can afford a super nice car to drive around but most cant without shelling out more than is comfortable. They are depreciating assets meaning unless you got deep.pockets you never want to spend much on a car. You want reliable and safe at you age as dull as that sounds. Put the saved money into investments like index funds through a brokerage account or retirement account and let the money appreciate over time. Instead of dumping 10k into a new car which will lose 5k right after you drive it off the lot buy cheaper and take that extra money and put it in some investments. Youll have 100k down the road and will be able to buy whatever you want. Truthfully no one cares what car you drive. As a kid youre going to think its a big thing and want to show off but truthfully you just need it to get from point A and Point B. Buy a toyota, honda with low miles and save your money. Be smart not cool. Cool lasts a couple years of youth. Smart lasts the rest of your life.
MoonLanderStonks@reddit
Don’t. You’ll regret it.
NotYourNativeDaddy@reddit
Anything is possible, especially if you aren’t well versed in math or economics.
TheDuckOnQuack@reddit
Building good credit after high school is a good financial move. Taking out a big loan on a car you can’t afford in order to build credit is not a sound financial strategy.
To build credit, get a credit card with a low limit, put all your payments on the credit card while still using less than 20% of your limit on the card at any time, and then paying it in full every month will get you what you want.
Then, in 5 years when you have a good credit history and more money saved for a reasonable down payment, you can get a better interest rate on a car that you can actually afford.
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
Sounds about right. 😂
DependentAd235@reddit
“I’d save until I reach 2-3/4ths of the total vehicle cost”
Hey OP… at least you were going to do this and not finance it. Im assuming you live at home so just a bad idea rather than a terrible one.
Classic-Delivery3875@reddit
Sure you can, should you? No you shouldn’t. You will be car poor.
InternationalPut4093@reddit
Im actually fine with the salary to car ratio given you are single and young....however you need to make a whole lot more than that to be stable. I was making 90k. I could swing a 60k car because I could pay for other things besides the car.
cuzjay420@reddit
dude just get an older used car camry corolla even some older acuras... dont waste your money on financing a new or used car
baddieslovebadideas@reddit
let me put this for you really simply FUCK NO
BlacksmithRemote1175@reddit
I’m all for buying the best car you can afford but it wouldn’t make much sense unless you can realistically expect your income to double.
JrHottspitta@reddit
No. The car is worth as much as your yearly salary after tax? Not even factoring in other expenditures/bills. Youd be broke the rest of your life making choices like that.
You need money to make money my friend... you need a reliable car that you can afford to make money. What happens if you lose your job or car breaks and you cant make it to work?
Everything in life requires money... even to make money. So yeah not a smart decision. I make 100k more then that and I drive a peice of shit beater honda... becuase its reliable and cheap...
mynameis_jake@reddit
The upkeep (maintenance and normal repairs) for a luxury vehicle is going to cost so much more than you think - even for a “reliable” brand and well-maintained vehicle.
Consider a 2013-2016 Accord Touring instead. You’ll get a V6 and a lower price point.
Tron_35@reddit
Depends, do you have other expenses? Are you living alone, have roommates or live with your parents? Are you paying your own insurance and gas? You also need to set aside tax money.
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
Nope I have no expenses, I’m not a full year out of highschool my parents are allowing me to stay under their wing for a little bit so I can get a head start on a car and savings.
Tron_35@reddit
That's fine then. I guess it'd be ok if you did it, but if the car is in your name your still gonna need to set aside money for taxes on the car, as well as income tax. Personally I wouldn't spend so much of my income on a car but you do you, at least you aren't going into debt over it.
LastDiveBar510@reddit
Don’t be one of those guys going broke to look cool with a new car. Most of these young dudes you see in chargers etc are too broke to go out on weekends with friends bc of car payments, u ain’t gonna have the money to move out into ur own place with a car payment plus insurance
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
My car will be my ticket to everything. I never go out, only to car meets 😂. But yeah I definitely get it, not good if I want to be stable more or less in the next few years.
EchoFiveCT1409@reddit
Honestly, regardless of anything else, you can get something cheaper and more fun if you don't need something super practical. A $6-7000 manual NC Miata would be more fun, just not practical at all.
I say this as someone who drove a 3.5L J35Z2 Accord for a while. It was fine. Pretty fast for an economy car, fun enough to drive. I drive a 6spd Focus ST now, and it's a lot more fun than the Accord was because it's a lot more engaging.
Also, insurance is a worry for newer cars. I'm 19 and only pay ~$109 a month for liability/comprehensive on my ST, but the newer of cars I look at, the cost goes up a decent bit of course. It sounds like you're also young, so a financed car with full coverage might wreck you more than a payment anyway.
I'm a student but my job pays me $22/hr, so I get paid okay enough, and I've considered swapping my car for something newer and more fun, but it really just isn't worth it when I can invest and buy whatever I want in the future If I do it right.
Hope that helps, seems like you've been more receptive to advice than most.
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
This is great and appreciated advice, thank you!
Deepthroat_Your_Tits@reddit
I can’t afford a $20k car and I make three times what you make lol
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
I still live at home and don’t have any living expenses yet.
ItsMsRainny@reddit
You should absolutely never do this. Absolutely most expensive you should go is 10k and that's still pushing it
r2k-in-the-vortex@reddit
Buy a car you can afford to buy outright, car loans are stupid
MarkVII88@reddit
This sounds like a dumb choice to me. You need to buy a 10-15 yo car for under $10k.
intense_dread@reddit
I'm more financially stable than most people I know, and I just bought a 2007 Toyota Corolla with 180,000 miles on it for $5,500.
Someone rightly said here, fuck car payments. Save, invest, travel.
Standardchiropractor@reddit
As a younger person, buy what you can in cash and get 3 months of living expenses in the bank to be there for any unexpected. Keep it there like that and you will be a happy camper.
Leapimus_Maximus@reddit
That's a fucking terrible idea.
LucidHaven@reddit
There’s been a lot of good advice in this thread. I just want to add to it saying that I bought a new modest car and part of me wishes I’d bought used in cash just to avoid having a car payment - even though the payment is well within my means. It’s nice to maximize financial freedom, especially when you’re young.
Dynodan22@reddit
Really what kills a car payment is insurance my daughtet is 23 I was going help by a new basic civic her insurance payment was more than the car payment
BC999R@reddit
If you want a 2018 to 2012 car for a balance of newness, niceness, but still cheaper than new, don’t waste money on an Acura. Sure it’s a great car, but the same vintage Corolla or Prius will cost less in gas, maintenance and insurance. I’m a car buff and have owned BMW’s, Alfa’s, muscle cars, high end 4WD’s etc but when you’re young and not making a lot of money, saving operating costs suddenly becomes as much fun as a sporty ride. Trust me. And if you still want fun, get a stick shift Corolla or Fit or Civic. Low-end cars with manual transmissions can often be picked up cheap because the buyers for those cars can’t drive stick, and the buyers for stick want a Miata, BRZ, GTI etc.
InitialUnit3516@reddit
That would be very dumb, but you can if you want to. For reference I make 300k /yr and my car cost me 25k.
Artistic-Salary1738@reddit
I wouldn’t ever buy a car worth 2/3 of your gross pay. At your income level, if you actually need a car i would recommend something in cash $10k or less that’s pretty basic and easy/cheap to repair.
Ideally you wouldn’t want to get a car that costs more than 10% of annual salary, but $3k seems to be pretty close to bottom of what you can spend to get a running car these days.
Max-LTV@reddit
It's absolutely not worth it, and you can get much more benefit out of that money otherwise. Nice cars are only nice when you don't have to sacrifice elsewhere to get them. Otherwise, you can get a good enough car for much less, and you will not be missing out much if at all. Get a cheaper car and do something else with the money.
El_mochilero@reddit
With low income, you need to work backwards.
What is the target total monthly cost that you are comfortable with? Insurance, payment, everything.
Once you figure out that number, then you should see what kind of car and deal you can make work. This may require buying a less expensive car, or saving up some more money first.
carpet_whisper@reddit
Bro don’t do that.
Thats financial suicide. I’d maybe say go for it you made 60-70k and eve then it’s lavish.
Id much rather see you buy a 2012 TL 3.6 for like 8k that you can pay off in 24 months.
Good for credit, decent car.
Easy-Yogurt-9618@reddit
I just bought my first car as a senior 6k for a 2014 Toyota Camry. Buy a reliable car first and then save up when you’re financially ready. I plan to get a Lexus in the future
subaruguy14@reddit
No. Car should be total value less than half your income, and all costs (payment, insurance, gas, maintenance) less than 10% of your take home monthly.
BuilditforYou@reddit
First of all good choice ( Acura /Honda Family ) I would personally buy a cash car ( civic accord ) and save a lil more for a nicer Honda / Acura ! Check insurance rates B4 Purchasing a new to YOU car ! Good Luck 🍀 Honda Strong 💪🏼
awsomoo8000@reddit
Are you going to be making way more money any time soon? I’d hate to have a car payment on a 30k salary.
I hate it at my current salary!
odagari@reddit
Get old school Lexus, gs300 or IS. Those can be had for 5-10k
Brilliant-Onion2129@reddit
Future economic ventures???? You’ll be broke! Buy a beater all cash!
No_Range_9748@reddit
I'll go a little against the grain and say that the only way a 20k car on a 30k salary makes sense is if you know for sure you'll be driving this car until the wheels fall off, helps if you're handy and can do brakes/suspension work on it down the line. But if you have a family to provide for, or if you want to trade it in/upgrade after a few years, not worth it.
Ideally something like a reliable 10k car would be better. Maybe a corolla or civic in decent condition that you can just drive for a long time.
Hansdawgg@reddit
I think people are crazy financing close to what they make for a car. Having said that you are talking about saving a lot and doing a big down payment which is definitely the way to go if you do it. I’m a buy in cash kind of guy but it just depends. You can absolutely get to an 800 credit score without getting into real debt but it takes time.
At the end of the day only you can decide if it’s worth it to you. It all depends on perspective but generally speaking owning a car you can easily afford and not one that is a stretch is usually a good idea. If you save like 15k for a 20k car and you really want it then do you though. If you put 2/3 or 3/4ths down a bank would be crazy not to lend to you
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
Really good outlook this kind of reaffirmed my idea. I see the good and the bad in it I’m just throwing the scenario around. I currently drive a 300k mile dying Acura TL hence the upgrade.
ReversEclipse1018@reddit
I wouldn’t recommend your idea here, just being honest. I work at a tire shop, and we have customers come in all the time with brand new cars asking for 1 tire, when they need 4. We recommend 4, and they tell us they can only afford 1 right now. Don’t spend all your money on the car and not have any set aside required maintenance that’ll come up in a handful of months.
Hansdawgg@reddit
For sure worth thinking about the next thing then. My old Acura was dying around 250k miles sadly. Might even be worth getting another older car short term but planning and saving for better
Thespazzywhitebelt@reddit
Id get a well taken care of older car, pay cash if you can and upgrade once you make more money and can pay cash for the newer car
brabson1@reddit
Can you? Yes, should you? No. 5k$ beater Toyota or honda
Crowlady77@reddit
I'm assuming you don't pay rent if you're planning to save $1k a month on a $30k salary. You should be saving every penny you can toward a savings cushion and possibly buying a house. Spend $10k or less on a car.
DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit
I put down half of a $60K Jeep in cash, so if you think your income is going to be stable enough to pay the rest, I don't think it's a terrible idea. But if you're young, you have to take into account whether or not you're going to be flayed alive with insurance.
Changetheworld69420@reddit
I make 6 figures+ and drive a 1997 GMC k1500, 2012 Scion tC, 2012 Kawasaki Versys 650, and 1993 Goldwing 1500. I’ve taken them all on trips across the country reliably multiple times, and have less than $10k in all of them combined. Buy some essential tools, learn to wrench(YouTube has everything), and get a couple reliable and inexpensive modes of transportation so you can drive a backup while you wrench on whatever needs it. You’ll save a ton of money upfront in purchase, then tons of money for the rest of your life on shop labor, and never lose any money to interest. Good luck!
Changetheworld69420@reddit
It’s important to buy something at the bottom of its depreciation curve, bc if you don’t want to keep it till the wheels fall off, you can pretty much sell it for what you bought it for(if you’re a good negotiator). I could sell every one of my machines for more than I bought them for, and have done so a dozen+ times since I was 16.
Soxnfins@reddit
Yes, but it’s financial suicide.
TheBarnard@reddit
Nope. You don't need an Acura making 30k. You need a Honda.
Acura is a luxury brand for people with disposible income. It's just a dressed up honda
When you see people your age driving an expensive car, you're not privy to their financials. You just see the car. You don't see their debt or family helping them out
x_ceej@reddit
Wouldn’t do the TLX.. Rod bearing issues.
MikeandTheMangosteen@reddit
Lmao
Areaofunknown2@reddit
Try to fit it in no more than 15% of your take home pay with payments and insurance
addictionvshobby@reddit
Just do a budget test. Calculate the monthly payment on a car using the best numbers you can have with the credit score you have. Take that monthly payment and throw it in a high yield savings account. Don't ever look at it. It's no longer yours for the next 3 months. Every month, you pretend that you did buy that new car. If it starts getting tight, then you have your answer. At the end of the experiment, you have 3 months worth of savings for a down-payment. Change the number of months for as long as you need but no less that 3 months.
See how your finances will react if you have a sudden 500$ car repair bill (by throwing $500 into the savings account)
DrownItWithWater@reddit
Hey there! I own a 2015 TLX sh awd V6. I love the engine in that car, it's powerful and sounds friggin amazing. The AWD is a tank in the snow.
However, the 9 speed ZF transmission in it really sucks the joy out of the car 90% of the time. It's slow and jerky.
My suggestion would be a 2009-2014 TL, sh-awd with the 3.7. If you're lucky you can even get one with a 6 speed manual. Their auto transportation are much better.
MintyFresh1201@reddit
I make around $80k a year. I drive a 2005 base model Camry with 150k miles that I paid $4k for in cash. You think I’m stressing about money now that I don’t have to spend $500+ a month on a car payment?
BulkyBox2483@reddit
Of course you can and you should. You made it op treat yourself
crookedledder@reddit
Yes, you can. That doesn't mean that you should.
HoneyButterEverythin@reddit
If you have Tesla insurance in your state, a place to charge at home and mainly have the car to drive around city and to work, a used Tesla model 3 can be find for way less than 20k. As much as people hate on electric and Tesla specifically. They are extremely low maintenance and other than some glitches here and there that can be fixed with a simple reset.
All of my family members have the Tesla as the younglings workhorse, and almost no maintenance other than they do eat tires fast but there are cheap tires options for non performance trim Tesla. Plus the gas saving itself consider gas price nowadays is worth it.
Carnifex217@reddit
I wouldn’t, I’d find as cheap as possible
HKGPhooey@reddit
Dude, no.
Scared_Daikon_9036@reddit
Yo - 30 year olds advice. You didn’t say your age but going to assume you’re in the younger side. I just bought my first 50k truck last year after driving a 5k truck for 7 years prior. Was making similar to you when I bought the 5k truck, put some money into tires/tint/ sound system with CarPlay to make it cool and livable.
Bought that when I was making 40k a year and I went through the same thing you’re saying - you desperately want the new ride. I get it.
Keep your head down. Every year you hold off on the splurge, you’re getting yourself closer to the next tier. I drove the beater truck while my friends got new stuff or leases. And now I have the nicest whip in the crew, a house, and just bought a boat. Keep your head dow, save and invest, and strive to grow in your career. The payment now will only hold you back from greater things down the road.
Gamer30168@reddit
You can afford a car payment and insurance on a 30k annual salary but probably only if you have no other financial responsibilities for the entire life of the loan.
flowlikewater97@reddit
Why are you so fixated on a new car? I would say save for a $5-10k good common car and look at house savings after then
oswell_pepper@reddit
Rule of thumb: cost of car should not be more than 30% of your income. With 30k income, you can only afford a 9k car. Any more than that is stupidity.
Bookmark that car until you start making around 65k.
MasterKaleidoscope97@reddit
im guessing you either are in college or live at home?
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
Live at home not in college
OddBranch132@reddit
If your parents aren't charging you rent then get a comfortable cheap car and build up as much savings as you possibly can. Look into opening an investment account too. It's boring but you're going to appreciate it later when you need it. People talk shit for those living at home but it's not funny anymore when you leave home with 40k in savings/invested after a few years.
And, even if you aren't saving the rest someone else mentioned already, disposable income is much more fun and useful than a nice car. You can pay for a car repair with disposable income. Cars are more expensive than just the cost on the sticker. Tires, oil changes, gas, registration, insurance, etc.
Dexford211@reddit
Stupid to buy a 20k on a 30k salary.
Ok_Pipe_1365@reddit
The money guys recommend the 20/3/8 rule for buying cars.
It suggests putting 20% down, limiting financing to 3 years (36 months), and keeping total monthly car costs (payment, insurance, fuel) under 8% of your gross monthly income.
Users5252@reddit
Why not a TL?
DogblackMichigan@reddit
No, don’t finance a used car on a low income.
If you were thinking of getting a new car at 20k and financing I’d say ok. A new car needs no maintenance for 50,000 miles except oil changes. A new car gets better mpg. A new car has zero repair bills (warranty). If you finance a used car you will soon find yourself needing a tune-up, tires, maybe alignment, filters, and brake pads. At 100,000 miles add another tune, another set of tires, a new 12v battery, a trans fluid change, final gear oil, coolant flush, pads and rotors, serpentine belt, filters, timing belt/chain, water pump, and thermostat. That’s just maintenance. You will be out of warranty too. All repairs are on you. If you finance an expensive used car on a small salary the car will spend a lot of time sitting still while you wait to earn enough for repairs. You will also be tempted to skip or cheap out on maintenance. That will cost you even more in the long run. You need to save some money to have a big down payment. Then buy the cheapest new car you can find. If you’re smart you will buy a cheap EV.
chrispina98@reddit
This is a question for r/personalfinance
KostyaFedot@reddit
Nothing new. You choose car to serve you or you choose to serve a car.
Revolutionary_Age_94@reddit
You shouldn’t. Buy a 5k car, drive it for a few years
isiteventiddles@reddit
I bought a $6000 corolla 10 years ago. Having put 110,000km on it, I could sell it around $5000 (there's a bit of cosmetic damage, otherwise $7-8000).
Buy something thats reliable. Preferably with cash. Then save up for your dream car.
Best-Ad9099@reddit
Don’t do it
traffic626@reddit
You can but what do your other expenses look like? It would be better to go cheaper though
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
No expenses until I’m 21
traffic626@reddit
What happens if you lose your job? What’s the backup plan?
Birds-Arent_Real@reddit
Is it doable if you scrounge every penny and nothing goes wrong in your life and finances for the next 7 years? Yes.
Is it a smart financial decision? Absolutely not.
MNmostlynice@reddit
Brother I make $97k and I decided against taking a small loan on a $15k car last year for a commuter because fuck car payments. I drive a 2005 Silverado I paid $10k cash for after selling my last truck.
Fun-Computer-1168@reddit
You can but it would be a very stupid idea
Evil_Dry_frog@reddit
When I was young and making $30,000. I spent $25,000 on a new car. This was back in 2005, so rent wasn’t half my paycheck.
Anyway, I drove that car for 17 years.
So yeah, it may make sense while you don’t have any other bills to join into a new(er) car. But if you are spending that much, which should be around $400 a month in payments, you’ll need to make up for it by owning that car for a very long time.
Fun_Boss_2112@reddit
I am going to post this for the benefit of you and others. Some will apply to you, some won't.
Monthly payment is the worst way to look at a car purchase. As soon as you do that, you have given control to the dealership and will probably be taken to the cleaners.
The only number that you should be concerned with is the final, out-the-door price. Once that is firmly established, then it's time to move on to trade ins and financing.
I am the son of a career car salesman. Here's some of what he taught me.
Just because you can afford the car payments doesn't mean that you can afford the car. Any salesperson can give you a "low monthly payment" by stretching out the loan term to a ridiculous length and then jacking up the interest rate. This costs you money.
The less money you put down and the longer the loan term, the longer you will be upside-down on the loan, meaning that you owe more on the car than it is worth. (Lenders sometimes use the terms "under water" and "negative equity", which mean the same thing.) This is a very unwise financial situation to be in.
The dealership is a hothouse atmosphere with loads of pressure and dealerships take advantage of that at every opportunity. It's easy to get sidetracked and to lose your objectivity. Then, you wind up paying too much for a car you cannot afford.
cleric3648@reddit
Could you? Yes, but the interest rate will suck. Should you? No.
If you need a newer car go for something a few years old. I don’t recommend beaters unless you also put away at least twice as much for repairs. There’s a reason they’re cheap, because they’re not dependable nor will they last. You might get a few months or a few years out of it.
Old school rule of thumb is don’t finance a car worth more than half your salary. Your payment on a car will be about $20/thousand financed for around 5 years. That $20k car is about $400 a month.
SweetSweetRegret@reddit
Since you’re looking at the A-Spec I can tell this is not out of necessity, but out of the fact that it’s a sweet car
Audelio@reddit
Maybe from auction lol
JordanEden29@reddit
Household of $300k and our newest car is my nearly 10 year old Mazda.
Beginnerdaytrader@reddit
This is coming from a guy that did similar to what you are asking.. don’t do it, a cheaper car would get me from point A to B as well as the expensive one.
e4Td4Y3L32aBHqp@reddit
For some perspective - I earn £80k a year, so $100k.
I drive a 2011 bmw 3 series estate. It works. My kids wreck it. I don’t care.
I could get a new car, but man there are far more interesting things to spend your money on than a vehicle that spends most of its time not being used sitting outside your house.
Snoo76929@reddit
Bro, I make almost 200k a year and I drive a crusty ass $5000 2001 Jeep Cherokee with no AC
Alternative_Box2150@reddit
You need to drive like a $1200 Corolla and save your money.
The hidden expenses such as insurance and gas will eat into 30k fast
gluten_heimer@reddit
Pick one.
Slight_Manufacturer6@reddit
You can but it would be kind of dumb… unless you have no other bills.
bonchokey@reddit
Well you got the displacement wrong twice, it's a 3.5 liter. I wouldn't obsess over it too much though, that's the same motor in their minivan.
JJ-Dream-Big@reddit
Problem is there is hardly any reliable car less than 20k - new or used.
orcsquid@reddit
Don't do it my man
gonerwon@reddit
I currently owe more credit card debt for the maintenance on my old beater than I do on my low interest financed vehicle. Finance isn't always a bad thing.
Ok-Situation-9199@reddit
No!
Less-Mushroom@reddit
You would be better off investing the money in to ways you can increase your income. Or just plain investing it. This is how people stay poor.
If you make smart choices now, you'll be able to have expensive things later without having to stretch so far.
No_Geologist_3690@reddit
There is no Honda 3.6
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
3.5 I mistyped
RocketDog2001@reddit
I hate to be "that guy" but please don't buy a car with a loan. You really really don't need it.
SZILI3000@reddit
Damn, u guys buying cars from 2018-2022, meanwhile im happy if I can buy one from 2007...I dont have any advice, its just so crazy to see this difference between someone like u (probably US citizen) and me (romanian worker with a but above minimal wage)
Nice-Zombie356@reddit
Since you’ll be working in the car business, take some time to learn the game before you decide on a car.
I don’t know how much sales people learn the finance side, but a $20k car on a $30k salary is a stretch. (Plus, I assume $30k is before taxes). If you can read up a bit on personal finance it may help you both personally and at work, too.
If you can drive a dealer demo car is 100% the best option!
Good luck and have fun.
ilikestuff1231234@reddit
Absolutely not. Everyone will say buy in full but a small % of ppl actually do that. But 20k car on 30k salary is financial suicide. BUT IF YOU MUST , put at least half down ( assuming you have good credit ). If your credit is shot then your only hope for a good outcome of this situation would be to buy in full or buy a cheaper car which is what you should be doing
FourCats44@reddit
Financing is always a dangerous (and more expensive) game compared to buying outright.
Technically yes. Should you no.
Sensible or fun? I bought a 30k car on a 25k salary back in 2018 with a little bit of financing (Hire purchase style) so I'd say go for it
Tall-Drawing8270@reddit
Brother you will be legitimately putting yourself ahead in life if you just get a cheap reliable beater and don't jump right into car payments. Especially when you're young and you gotta be broke a lot, having a car that can't be taken away and an extra 300+ bucks a month is huge.
TheseMarionberry385@reddit (OP)
Yeah you’re definitely right about that.
Interesting_Rub9393@reddit
You can, but probably shouldn't. Get something cheap and have the disposable income. It's more fun.
Denver80211@reddit
try it in 1997
bomber991@reddit
The general rule I’ve read is it’s safe to buy a car that’s 1/3rd your annual salary and to buy a hole that’s 3x your salary.
So unfortunately that means a $10k used car and a $90k home. You should be able to find the car but no idea on the home.
seang86s@reddit
You better be doordashing with that car...
TwOhsinGoose@reddit
No. My wife bought a $20,000 car making 40k and regretted it big time.
randombrowser1@reddit
You can do whatever you want with your money
Primary_Ad4596@reddit
Twin…