Cancelled my 12th cross country flight in a row
Posted by DisregardLogan@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 53 comments
Planned out 14 different cross country flights throughout the last 3 months, only went on 2 of them (and even then, with my first one, accidentally ended up in a snowstorm at night, and my second one was accompanied with moderate to severe turbulence.)
Planned out a flight today, went to the airport, got in the plane with my instructor, turned on the ATIS, winds 18 gusting 27. Got out. Sat tired in the car for a good 5 minutes.
A bit irritated and annoyed, but not much I can do. Just thought I’d share my troubles
ElGuaro@reddit
Schedule for 6am. Solved.
Due-Letterhead6372@reddit
I feel like 18G27 with an instructor shouldn't be an issue unless its a direct crosswind
DisregardLogan@reddit (OP)
It was a direct crosswind, and the demonstrated max crosswind for a factory-fresh C150 is 15 kts
aftcg@reddit
Demonstrated. Not a limitation
DisregardLogan@reddit (OP)
I'm aware. Still wouldn't have done it
aftcg@reddit
Good AMD. That is important that you know your limits. I have mine too
BeefyMcPissflaps@reddit
Demonstrated is for certification purposes. It’s not a limit.
davenuk@reddit
Why wouldn't you check the weather before leaving?
DisregardLogan@reddit (OP)
I did a million times and a half, METAR updated right as we got out there
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
TAF?
DisregardLogan@reddit (OP)
Wasn’t a good picture, CFI took a look at it and said it was BS, and it was, considering it was forecasted to be 9 kts gusting 11
Wedge_Donovan@reddit
You REALLY need to start looking at the MOS and other longish-range forecast products.
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
9 gusting to 11? I've never seen gusts that close.
Weather from December to April for my part of the country is notoriously crap or volatile.
cephalopod11@reddit
I saw one the other day that said calm gusting 2. The systems are old.
Redfish680@reddit
Buckle up!
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
Weird
wtonb@reddit
It happens. Pretty much everything about flying is variable depending on the weather.
davenuk@reddit
I truly hope your 13th attempt is the lucky one.
HSVMalooGTS@reddit
Become a cirrus pilot, and fly in the most extreme weather.
DisregardLogan@reddit (OP)
Just pop the chute
CorkGirl@reddit
Great until it's windy and you end up dead anyway (unfortunately waiting for the full investigation report on a fatal accident despite CAPS) so have become even more of an advocate for stay on the ground wishing you were up there - particularly if poor vis, icing etc 😔
DogeLikestheStock@reddit
Why would you keep replanning everything? Just use one of the cancelled plan.
DisregardLogan@reddit (OP)
I use as much as I could, obviously can’t use historical wind and weather data
Rictor_Scale@reddit
I know there are still occasional "easy street" accounts of getting one's PPL. However, from personal experience, trying to fully convey the level of perseverance it takes to push through to the end to a non-pilot these days is quite a task.
acfoltzer@reddit
I've been in the military, gotten a graduate degree, and have had a decades-long career in tech and... nothing I have done took more persistence than the PPL.
546833726D616C@reddit
Time to spare, go by air.
MondayNightRawr@reddit
I probably had the same thing happen (various reasons) at least eight times. Hang in there. Things will eventually line up.
s2soviet@reddit
Don’t worry, your money is going anywhere
NeminiDixeritis@reddit
I have to do a lot of commuting by small plane. Dispatch rate is miserable, even with an IFR rating, but I compensate by going early, making myself available on zoom when necessary, and letting people know that cancellations can and will happen. Small planes will never have great dispatch rates. It kinda stinks.
LearningT0Fly@reddit
Meh you’ll eventually want to push your envelope and go out on days you’re not 100% comfortable in but as a student PPL solo? Nah fuck that play it safe. There’s no reason not to.
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
18g27 isn't terrible provided winds aren't a crosswind and you're not in the mountains
DisregardLogan@reddit (OP)
It was an almost near direct crosswind and I’m in a clapped out C150. Was also my instructors call, but I wouldn’t have done it either
Muted-Rhubarb2143@reddit
150 can go way over demonstrated. I guess it’s your call not to be 30 direct xwind is doable if you pull out all the tricks and have correct form.
DisregardLogan@reddit (OP)
I’m a PPL student
LearningT0Fly@reddit
Lmao this is the guy in another thread who’d rather have his students do a go around with full flaps in instead of drilling it into their heads that they need to take them out one at a time.
Don’t listen to him.
FlyingS892@reddit
Ignore this guy. Just because you could, doesn’t mean you should.
Brotein40@reddit
Don’t listen to this guy, you made a good decision.
Muted-Rhubarb2143@reddit
Instructor would hopefully be a capable guardrail but yes those are high winds for a direct cross.
LearningT0Fly@reddit
Lmao this is the guy who’d rather have his students do a go around with full flaps in instead of drilling it into their heads that they need to take them out one at a time.
Don’t listen to him.
FlyingS892@reddit
For ppl training, I wouldn’t take a student in that even if it’s straight down the runway. For commercial training, send it!
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
Might not be good for maneuvers. But I think practice in adverse conditions should be required.
THevil30@reddit
That’s a bit surprising, where I’m at that would make it so you could very rarely if ever fly between October and April.
Kein-Deutsc@reddit
Interesting. Where I live it’s very often winds 20 guesting 35. There will be weeks like this continuously in the summer. Thankfully the runway is pointed right into it 95% of the time. Instructors or students still cancel flights often but eventually you will just start going.
If it was a direct cross wind it would be a different story
Oregon-Pilot@reddit
You’re getting really damn good at flight planning and ADM, so try to focus on getting as much out of your experience as you can. When it comes time for checkride, you’ll be super good at planning and it’ll be one less thing to stress about.
And I’m not trying to downplay the frustration. I did my PPL in the PNW back in 2010/2011 and due to being in high school, I could only fly during the weekends. If the weather wasn’t cooperating (it frequently wasn’t), I had to just sit all weekend and wait for the next one, just hoping it would be better.
You’ll get there!
THevil30@reddit
18G27 with a CFI is fairly doable, unless you’re based at a narrow single runway airport…
DisregardLogan@reddit (OP)
It was a direct crosswind, and it was also my instructor’s call, and he has near 6000 hours TT, so I trust his decision
flynlionPS@reddit
Welcome to aviation. Experienced pilots can be short tempered at times but one thing we never get mad at is the weather. No point, it’s a BiG part of the game.
Curious-Owl6098@reddit
Student pilot solo? Or a commercial or instrument cross country? Weather delays happen but I feel like there might be a gap in you weather knowledge when it comes to looking at the big picture if you get caught in a snow storm at night in a non Fiki piston . Same with the turbulence. You can look at pireps and Airmets to see where you’d expect it and either fly around it or fly somewhere else…. You can fly through it but it’s uncomfortable and work with ATC to get to a altitude where you’ll have a better ride… Unless you’re exaggerating All of it and the snowstorm was actually just some light flurries over a really small area that popped up. And the severe turbulence was actually light chop.
For a vfr cross country of 50-60 miles it’s not too hard to plan that. Just gotta be patient. You’re not the first person to have to wait
DisregardLogan@reddit (OP)
I’m a PPL student, and it was more of a matter of shitty forecasting. Forecast was supposed to be clear and 10 miles vis, turned into 5 miles visibility with snow and turbulence.
I’m in a clapped out 150, no GPS and/or radar. Nothing to check to see if it updated besides the ATIS and Flight Following, which was as good as it got.
Also not exaggerating it, as my CFI was with me and said it was his fault, and that he wouldn’t have gone into that, either…
ParagPa@reddit
I wouldn’t have wanted to do this when I was doing my PPL. Doing my commercial now and look for opportunities to fly as much as I can in that gap between my personal limits and my CFI's
AlpineGuy@reddit
It happens sometimes... my region also has a lot of wind, especially in the colder months of the year. This combined with a limited personal schedule, I sometimes can't fly for months.
This of course gets somewhat easier after getting your license when you don't have to factor in your instructor's availability as well.
Keep it going, you get through this!
DifferentLuck4545@reddit
Those are 12 flights you wish you were in the air rather than praying you were on the ground
rFlyingTower@reddit
This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:
Planned out 14 different cross country flights throughout the last 3 months, only went on 2 of them (and even then, with my first one, accidentally ended up in a snowstorm at night, and my second one was accompanied with moderate to severe turbulence.)
Planned out a flight today, went to the airport, got in the plane with my instructor, turned on the ATIS, winds 18 gusting 27. Got out. Sat tired in the car for a good 5 minutes.
A bit irritated and annoyed, but not much I can do. Just thought I’d share my troubles
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