EXPO causing cold boot failure (VGA LED stuck on POST)
Posted by Harash93@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 13 comments
My build:
- CPU: Ryzen 7 9800X3D
- GPU: 5070 Ti
- Motherboard: ASUS TUF B850-Plus Gaming WiFi
- RAM: Kingston Fury Beast DDR5 6000MHz (2x16GB)
For the first \~4 months everything was stable. Then one day after waking the PC from sleep, my monitors showed “No signal” and the keyboard had no response. After rebooting, the system powers on normally (fans, lights, etc.), but there is no display output and the white VGA Q-LED stays lit during POST.
The only way to recover is to fully cut power using the PSU switch for a few seconds. After that, it boots normally again—until the next cold boot, where the issue returns.
I’ve tried updating the BIOS, clearing CMOS, and testing both EXPO I and EXPO II profiles. I also tested lowering the RAM frequency to 5600MHz. After a CMOS reset, enabling EXPO allows the system to complete memory training and boot into Windows normally, and everything is stable once inside Windows. However, after shutting down and performing a cold boot, the system again fails at POST with the VGA LED and no display output.
I also tested with Memory Context Restore disabled. In that case, the first memory training after CMOS reset succeeds and the system boots into Windows, but subsequent cold boots still fail.
With EXPO disabled entirely, the system boots reliably every time without issues. The problem only occurs when EXPO is enabled.
I’m not sure what the problem is, especially since it was stable for several months before suddenly appearing. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
StrangeCranberry4786@reddit
TCreopargh@reddit
Not yet for me, I'm waiting too... I can't seem to reproduce the issue reliably except sleeping and waking up, it drives me mad and now I'm just trying to forget expo and tell myself the performance difference isn't that big, but it's still bugging me a lot
TCreopargh@reddit
And the worst thing is, it could be related to anything, probably RAM, probably motherboard, probably CPU, probably PSU, or even cooler, very unlikely but still possibly GPU, Just thinking about the RMA process makes me crazy and now I'm just sitting on no expo because at least it boots
Sukabilataq@reddit
Same problem here.
TCreopargh@reddit
Have you solved the issue yet? having the same problem here, also on an ASUS board. Mine was fine for about half a year and then it suddenly gets stuck on VGA light. If I clear CMOS and re-enable expo, it works fine and can even reboot fine until the next day and it gets stuck again. Turning off EXPO makes it stable but I don't really want to lose performance. I'm assuming thermal issues and is testing possible solutions, will tell you if I believe I find a fix for mine
TCreopargh@reddit
Think I found the solution, just turned off "ddr training runtime reduction" and it seems to work fine. (For now, problem doesn't reoccur so far) You can leave Memory Context Restore and Fast Boot to on. No significant impact to boot up time on my side.
TCreopargh@reddit
Yeah that doesn't work... Happened again on the next day, and my "cur power for 30s" method isn't very reliable for reproducing this issue. Now I'm just turning off expo temporarily and keep finding and trying solutions
StrangeCranberry4786@reddit
Did you manage to fix it? I'm going crazy trying to find the problem.
TCreopargh@reddit
Just to tell you what didn't work: Updating bios, cleaning and reseating the RAM, turning off any bios settings related to RAM training, using different expo profiles, lowering the frequencies, tuning RAM clk by hand without using expo (any minor tweaks to the RAM will cause the problem, it's likely related to memory training, not degraded performance of RAM itself) Yep the options are narrowing but I'll try some more methods occasionally
Harash93@reddit (OP)
Yea still having the same issue too. Keep updating if you find out
StrangeCranberry4786@reddit
i am also still trying . If i find a solution i will comment here
TCreopargh@reddit
Nope, I'm just disabling expo for now while looking for a fix
StrangeCranberry4786@reddit
Hi, how are you? I'm having the exact same problem with my Ryzen 7 9800X3D. I have an Asus TUF 650M Plus - Wi-Fi motherboard. This only happens when Expo is enabled, even when testing Expo 2. Please, I need help too.