Fuel restrictions at the airports of Bologna, Milan Linate, Treviso and Venice
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hooahguy@reddit
I have a round trip flight from Amsterdam to Kilimanjaro in July. How fucked am I lol
UpdateDesk1112@reddit
There restrictions for something in Italy every summer.
canyoutriforce@reddit
No?
Kanyiko@reddit
It's going to be an interesting summer this year.
Stranger1982@reddit
I know who I have to thank for it.
TheTrampIt@reddit
Please, wear a suit before thanking.
hetantwoordis42@reddit
It's not one person, it's not even just the ones who voted for him or didn't vote at all. It's the whole very free and very brave country who refuse to do anything about this absurd situation.
itsaride@reddit
Only thing they can do democratically is to turn out in the mid-terms.
hetantwoordis42@reddit
You still think there will be fair elections??? That's a whole new level of nativity.
You can do a whole lot more than spend a few hours on a Saturday holding a sign.
If my government would even consider sending military aid to your retarded little special moderation, I would be on a train to our capital in minutes. No matter what day of the week and I would not just stand around with a sign. It would also not just be 3 percent of the population that would turn up with me.
Americans are a passive, weak and cowardly people.
Jivesauce@reddit
I’m always reading that Americans are violent psychopaths who will escalate to violence at any transgression, and also that they are, as you put it, passive, weak, and cowardly. They sure are a melting pot over there!
I hope you never need to prove what a badass action hero you would be against your government, I suspect it might be different than what you’re picturing.
hetantwoordis42@reddit
Have you seen the news in the last few years? Europa has seen MASSIVE protests.
Jivesauce@reddit
Not just seen, experienced. Weren’t you just denigrating massive protests? I thought you were going to do more than stand around with a sign?
hetantwoordis42@reddit
The European protest didn't just last a few hours on a Saturday and made up way more than 3% of the population. Also, they weren't just people standing around.
Kanyiko@reddit
To quote somebody: "Oh, we should be so thankful for it to him, we should say to him, 'Thank you, thank you very much!'"
Well, between the fuel costs and linked ticket cost rises, the extortionate rate of match tickets, the waiting lines and security checks at airports and the costs of hotel accommodation... I guess this is the time for us European football fans to say "well, the matches are broadcast on television, why go there?"
... the Azzurri fans have their national team a lot to thank for this year. Not qualifying for the World Cup saved the Italian fans a LOT of money.
PotatoFeeder@reddit
Tinfoil hat on
Government told their team to lose, so they can save fuel.
Flashy-Professor1202@reddit
I got a trip booked to Canada this summer from Switzerland, i'm curious to see if i'll actually be able to go
Broad-Lobster7470@reddit
So are we really looking at the possibility that we just won’t be able to fly by late spring ? Crazy
sofixa11@reddit
Depending on the country/airline/airport, and their fuel reserves/hedges, it's absolutely on the cards.
And the fun part of it all is that the things causing the oil price to go up haven't stopped at all. It could still get worse before it gets any better.
Golden_Hour1@reddit
Shit. Wife and I are flying out to FCO this week and dont fly back to SFO till 3 weeks from now. Is it possible we would be fucked? What would someone even do in that situation?
PenguinNeo@reddit
Everything is possible, but I think you should still be ok.
Parking-Car-8433@reddit
So it begins …
RDR80@reddit
Well, bummer. We have a 2h flight to and from Bologna on 9th and return on 12th. So right after this initial NOTAM... Will have to see if we cancel the entire trip or not.
Weekly-Language6763@reddit
I'm not feeling good about my position in my airlines seniority list right now
Apprehensive_Cost937@reddit
If you're in the USA, you can sleep well at night that a lot of people above you on the seniority list voted for this :)
Dotcaprachiappa@reddit
Well he's but they didn't expect the leopards to eat their face
chadstein@reddit
Preach
royal_Bishop@reddit
Genuinely curious to see if European countries are willing to let their economies crumble before they get involved in Iran?
It’s airlines today. It’ll be the average worker and their car tomorrow. Than emergency services won’t be able to fuel their vehicles. Are countries really willing to let it get to that point?
sofixa11@reddit
What the hell do you mean? They're not "letting it go" to that point, there is just nothing they can do. They can't force the orange turd to back off, and they can't force the Iranian regime to not use the only lever they have.
Military intervention is absurdly risky and has no guarantee of success. Keeping the strait effectively closed by high risk is not hard nor expensive for Iran.
royal_Bishop@reddit
“Military intervention is risky and has no guarantee of success”. You’re right. But the collapse of economies and society is also a real risk if European countries aren’t willing to go help keep the strait open.
So what’s the trade off? Potentially dangerous situation for your military or potential societal collapse when food can no longer be delivered.
Which one do you choose?
sofixa11@reddit
Those aren't the only choices. Negotiating with the belligerents so they stop is another option.
We aren't talking about a potentially dangerous situation. The strait of Hormuz is very narrow, and there's a good reason even the US, who started this mess, don't dare wend their almighty "costs more than small countries' GDP" Navy through it.
cosmicrae@reddit
Could there be a cascading effect, where certain airports limit fuel, causing airlines to tank extra fuel where they can get it, and so on ?
PRISONER_709@reddit
Well tankering inside the EU is forbidden AFAIK, and also increases consumption. I don't have the exactly figure but it was something like for every extra ton you increase trip fuel by 80kg.
So cascading effect indeed if the shortage spreads.
It'll be a turbulent summer
(!remindme in 6 months)
daygloviking@reddit
Flew 11 years on regional flights within Europe. We used cost indexing to decide if we were going to do tankering or not.
Apprehensive_Cost937@reddit
There is a new anti-tankering regulation (ReFuelEU) in place since 1st January 2025, which means under normal conditions, tankering is not permitted for most flights within EU.
Murpet@reddit
It’s forbidden for economical reasons. This summer those rule sets will not apply for shortages.
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Zealousideal-Peach44@reddit
Let's assume that a flight is cancelled last-minute due to the fuel shortage. Shall the airline reprotect the passenger and pay the 250€ fine according to the EU laws, or can they declare "force majoure" and leave everybody on the ground?
OkValuable454@reddit
we can invoice the US ?
Apprehensive_Cost937@reddit
Force majeure. It's not reasonable to expect airlines to have their own oil fields, tankers and rafineries, hence this situation is outside of their control.
Frequent-Chain-6082@reddit
Asiana pays nothing even if a massive delay is entirely their fault. Source: HND-GMP delayed by three or more hours more than once.
Dracogame@reddit
You need to use a service like airhelp. Their lawyers actually made Vueling reimburse me after they said it was force majeure.
If you fight them, you win, but you have to fight them. Airhelp is not cheap, they keep 50%. I think there are other services that are similar and cheaper. Still, better than nothing…
Frequent-Chain-6082@reddit
Those things only apply in the EU, where there is a law for it. Also, you definitely do not need to pay a fee to those “companies”, as there are plenty who will do it for free (“Rimborso al Volo” is one). Asiana will not pay regardless, unless the flight is from the EU.
Kanyiko@reddit
Very much force majeure as they would be forced by circumstances outside of their control.
wearethafuture@reddit
This would be a force majeure. It kinds of is in actuality, but highly doubt that any airline outside of maybe Japanese and Korean airlines would pay a dime.
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Dear_Smoke6964@reddit
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ScaryFro@reddit
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_Yellow_13@reddit
I have notams of fuel shortages is Italy from last year. I’m not saying it’s not “happening”. But this type of NOTAM I’ve seen before.
DM-ME-CONFESSIONS@reddit
Interesting.. I have a flight coming up, Toronto to UK. Not too concerned if the flight there is cancelled, since I can return home easily. How concerned should I be about my return flight in a few weeks? Considering cancelling at this point, but there are a lot of moving parts that make it difficult.
Murpet@reddit
UK major London Airports, depending on the carrier, not overly concerned.
TravisScutty@reddit
I have a flight here to tokyo with one layover in shanghai, its a 17 hour flight on the april 19th. do yall think this flight is safe and wont be cancelled. im a little new to how this works, ive never flown before and i've just seen this, what will happen?
talldata@reddit
The oil situation is anybody's guess at this point.
Zealousideal-Peach44@reddit
Nobody can say anything at the moment. In theory, fuel is guaranteed for 3+ hours flights, but the situation is too volatile.
Deer-in-Motion@reddit
Well, here we go.
ih8logins@reddit
So much winning!!!
Perfect-Ad-1774@reddit
And it begins............
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