Iran executes two convicted members of banned opposition group | Death Penalty News
Posted by Firecracker048@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 40 comments
Maardten@reddit
I am not in favor of the death penalty but I don’t think it is historically not uncommon for countries to execute people who work with the enemy during an existential war.
TheJewPear@reddit
That’s a very nice way to twist what this article is saying. These people weren’t convicted in working for the enemy, they were convicted for being members in a political opposition group.
Is there any political opposition in Iran? Are they being allowed to convene, express their objections, hold demonstrations, interview in media? Or do they regularly get arrested, speedily convicted and executed?
LineOfInquiry@reddit
What do you mean by “political opposition”? There are different parties and factions in the Iranian legislature and internal debate on many issues. In the cities there are plenty of liberal and leftist folks who do protest over issues.
However, if these groups get too powerful or threaten the Islamic nature of their republic, then they get violently cracked down upon. Like what we saw a few months ago. I honestly think if this war hadn’t happened Iran would’ve collapsed within the next few years from internal protests. But now I think the state is going to be even more entrenched and paranoid :/
Palpitation-Itchy@reddit
So you are allowed opposition as long as they are not a real opposition and don't accomplish anything. Understood.
Bad_Ethics@reddit
Yeah, it's a pretty typical phenomenon to see within authoritarian regimes.
LineOfInquiry@reddit
You’re allowed opposition to a point. So yeah, basically what you said.
ADP_God@reddit
This sub is 100% astroturfed. Top comment is always supporting Iran.
Maardten@reddit
I don’t doubt this sub is being astroturfed but in this case my comment isn’t a great example of that.
My comment was the only comment except for the wall of text so it makes sense that it is the most upvoted one. There literally wasn’t any competition for the first ~7 hours.
TheJewPear@reddit
I agree it’s not a great example, but I still think you should educate yourself about Iran’s executions in the last decade or so. This is a country with no independent legal system that has weaponized the death penalty to deal with any and all dissent, not to mention LGBT, rape victims and women that merely wore the ‘wrong’ outfit.
Your comment can easily be interpreted as justifying these executions.
Maardten@reddit
I am aware of all that and like I said I don’t condone it.
My entire point is that within the context of a country that still dishes out the barbaric death penalty, doing so to suspected collaborators during an existential war isn’t that unheard of.
Obviously executing peaceful protestors cannot be excused in any context or scenario.
Taviii@reddit
You just don’t know what PMOI/MEK are. You are assuming they are a political opposition group, they aren’t. Its an armed militia that coordinated multiple attacks within iran over the years and is officially registered as a terrorist organization within iran and elsewhere.
waiv@reddit
MEK is not simply an "opposition group" read up about them.
killerbanshee@reddit
I dont see how that's different than people calling for the death of liberals here in the US. We're at war technically, and they are opposed.
We gotta be careful what we compare things to as it's easy to normalize atrocities that way.
Zipz@reddit
And what evidence of this has Iran shown
AwkwardTal@reddit
Evidence to whom? International law? How about International law stops the current illegal terrorist invasion of Iran by US/Israel (and israels invasion into lebanon and Israel's genocide in gaza) then we can worry about this
Zipz@reddit
To anyone outside of confessions that were made under torture
It’s weird how off topic you went
loggy_sci@reddit
They’ll take any opportunity to screech about international law and try to change the subject
usesidedoor@reddit
Why bring that up here though? Was there a fair trail, with a judge, and where they show actual evidence - yes or no? That's the question the previous user is posing.
Maardten@reddit
No idea. I’m just saying that at face value this doesn’t strike me as too odd, for a country that still performs death penalties that is.
After WWII 39 collaborators were executed in The Netherlands, although I’m glad we have since abandoned the death penalty, since I don’t condone it.
Zipz@reddit
And my point is they are executing people based off confessions done under torture in kangaroo courts
Maardten@reddit
I don’t have acces to the evidence presented so I can only speculate on the quality of the evidence, I think the same is true for you.
Its also an interesting critique coming from someone from a country where the orange gestapo is kidnapping citizens from the streets based on nothing but their skin color, and shooting people in the face for looking at them funny.
Zipz@reddit
See this is the problem
You think what is happening with ice is comparable to what is happening with Iran
It’s not
And it’s embarrassing you keep trying to whitewash’s the regimes crimes
travistravis@reddit
Right, because the ICE issues, the people aren't even getting sham trials before they're murdered.
Zipz@reddit
Again how many people has ice killed?
Now do the regime
It’s funny you think 1000 times the death toll is comparable
Maardten@reddit
I prefaced the entire thing by saying I am not in favor of the death penalty and later said that I don’t condone it.
There is definitely a parallel between ICE and ‘kangaroo courts’, it doesn’t matter wether or not you are ready to confront that reality.
Zipz@reddit
Ice has killed how many?
Now how many has the regime killed ?
Again it isn’t comparable when one has massacred 1000 times the other
Maardten@reddit
Afaik ICE killed at least ~40 people. All for the crime of not being white.
The Iranian no doubt killed more, but they had a big head start and also it is not a competition.
Zipz@reddit
See doing it again you keep whitewashing the regimes crimes.
Now the only reason ice isn’t as bad is it hasn’t been around as long
Jesus Christ
30k vs 40 people isn’t comparable especially when you aren’t even just counting people killed by ice your counting people who died in ice custody from heart attacks and other things.
Maardten@reddit
Its not about the numbers my dude, you were the one to steer the conversation towards people being killed by state agents without receiving a fair trial, so it is worth pointing out that the Iranian regime aren’t uniquely horrible in that, although they are indeed horrible.
Zipz@reddit
Again you’re embarrassing yourself by still continuing to push this bs
I’m sorry but you aren’t a reasonable person if you think the two are comparable
Maardten@reddit
Sounds like you ran out of arguments.
Enjoyed the talk, have a great easter weekend!
Zipz@reddit
No my argument is you are comparing two things that are no where near the same.
And you refuse to hear it
km3r@reddit
They aren't willing to hear it. These people aren't anti imperialism or anti war crimes, they are just anti West. False comparisons to justify their agenda
LineOfInquiry@reddit
These guys were arrested in 2024, prior to this war. They had nothing to do with it, and didn’t deserve this.
TheJewPear@reddit
The question is, did these people get due process? Or is it all confessions extracted under torture?
waiv@reddit
"Banned opposition group" sounds better than "completely reviled in Iran terrorist cult MEK that joined Saddam in their war against Iran and helped Israel to assassinate scientists inside Iran"
Arshiaa001@reddit
Yeah, 'murder cult' is how I'd describe the MEK.
ChaoticTransfer@reddit
Doesn´t compare to the israeli noose law.
ThevaramAcolytus@reddit
[b]Department of State Public Notice 8050 dated September 21, 2012, reads thus:[/b]
In the matter of the designation of Mujahadin-e Khalq, also known as MEK, also known as Mujahadin-e Khalq Organization, also known as MKO, also known as Muslim Iranian Students' Society, also known as National Council of Resistance, also known as NCR, also known as Organization of the People's Holy Warriors of Iran, also known as the National Liberation Army of Iran, also known as NLA, also known as National Council of Resistance of Iran, also known as NCRI, also known as Sazeman-e Mujahadin-e Khalq-e Iran, as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist Pursuant to Section 1[b] of Executive Order 13224, as amended. Acting under the authority of Section 1[b] of Executive Order 13224 of September 23, 2001, as amended ]"the Order'] I hereby revoke the designation of the entity known as the Mujahadin-e Khalq, and its aliases, as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist pursuant to Section 1[b] of the Order. This action takes effect September 28, 2012. Hillary Rodham Clinton Secretary of State
With this stroke of the pen, as it were, the United States removed from its global terrorist list an organization—Mujahedin-e Khalq [MEK]—that had been listed since 1997. A shadowy outfit, MEK's delisting was the result of a full-court press by a bipartisan group of policy influentials, including General Hugh Shelton, former chairman of the joint Chiefs of Staff; Lee Hamilton, former congressman from Indiana; Bill Richardson, former governor of New Mexico; General Wesley Clark, former supreme commander of NATO; and Louis Freeh and Michael Hayden, former directors of the FBI and CIA, respectively. In a speech at a conference in February 2011, Governor Richardson urged that MEK should be removed from the terrorist list : "This is a movement that doesn't want any money. This is a movement that doesn't want weapons," Richardson declared. "This is a movement that just wants to be allowed to roam, to do your democratic thing." Equally opaquely, General Shelton said at the same event: "When you look at what the MEK stands for, when they are antinuclear, separation of church and state, individual rights, MEK is obviously the way Iran needs to go." On one level, the ostensible reason for the United States' delisting is that the Iraq-based MEK is a force in exile dedicated to removing the current regime in Tehran. As General Shelton added, "By placing the MEK on the FTO [Foreign Terrorist Organizations] list we have weakened the support of the best organized internal resistance group to the most terrorist-oriented anti-Western world, anti-democratic regime in the region." In the zero-sum game of U.S.-Iran relations, there appears to be, then, a certain logic to the move. It is illuminating, however, to take a closer look at this movement, through the eyes of some individuals lesser known than the heavyweight list that supports their cause, but who might just be in a position to know more about it.
These would include Ray McGovern, an ex-CIA operative, who said of the MEK: "Why the U.S. cooperates with organizations like the Mujahedin, I think, is because that they are local, and because they are ready to work for us. Previously, we considered them a terrorist organization. And they exactly are. But they are now our terrorists and we now don't hesitate to send them into Iran….for the usual secret service activities: attacking sensors, in order to supervise the Iranian nuclear program, mark targets for air attacks, and perhaps establishing secret camps to control the military locations in Iran. And also a little sabotage." Or, from Karen Kwiatkowski, formerly with the Department of Defense: "MEK is ready to do things over which we would be ashamed, and over which we try to keep silent. But for such tasks we'll use them." (For both these quotes, see "U.S. Government's Secret Plans for Iran," by Markus Schmidt, John Goetz, WDR TV, Germany, February 3, 2005). And what exactly are these "tasks"? According to the State Department's original statement designating MEK as a terrorist organization (in 1997, when the Clinton administration was trying to engage Iran), MEK instigated a bombing campaign, including an attack against the head office of the Islamic Republic Party and the Prime Minister's office, which killed some 70 high-ranking Iranian officials, including Chief Justice Ayatollah Mohammad Beheshti, President Mohammad-Ali Rajaei, and Prime Minister Mohammad-Javad Bahonar. In addition, MEK assassinations range in date and targets from U.S. military personnel and civilians in the 1970s (hence the original terrorist listing) to, almost certainly, the killing of at least five leading Iranian nuclear scientists in recent months. Complementing the lethal violence of the MEK is the organization's bizarre internal dynamic. Elizabeth Rubin of The New York Times visited its Camp Ashraf headquarters in Iraq in 2003, and, in the course of the drumbeat of support for delisting, posted an article in the Times on August 13, 2011, "An Iranian Cult and its American Friends." Herein she describes a—"cult" is the only appropriate term—headed by a woman named Maryam Rajavi and her husband, Massoud. What she relates is eerily reminiscent of the doomed Jim Jones cult in Guyana in the 1970s: a fictional world of female worker bees…staring ahead as if they were working at a factory in Maoist China….Friendships and all emotional relationships are forbidden. From the time they are toddlers, boys and girls are not allowed to speak to each other. Each day at Camp Ashraf you had to report your dreams and thoughts….After my visit, I met and spoke to men and women who had escaped from the group's clutches. Many had to be reprogrammed. They recounted how people were locked up if they disagreed with the leadership or tried to escape; some were even killed.
So far, this is only a Jim Jones situation—which is bad enough—in that the tragedy affected only the cult's members. But, as Rubin also reports: During the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s, the group served as Saddam Hussein's own private militia opposing the theocratic government in Tehran. For two decades, he gave the group money, weapons, jeeps and military bases along the border with Iran. In return, the Rajavis pledged their fealty. In 1991, when Mr. Hussein crushed a Shiite uprising in the south and attempted to carry out a genocide against the Kurds in the north, the Rajavis and their army joined his forces in mowing down fleeing Kurds. Ms. Rajavi told her disciples "Take the Kurds under your tanks, and save your bullets for the Iranian Revolutionary Guards." Many followers escaped in disgust.
https://www.carnegiecouncil.org/media/series/ethics-online/mek-when-terrorism-becomes-respectable
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