What do Catholic Serbs call the Virgin Mary?
Posted by Willing_Corner2661@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 158 comments
I’m not talking about Croats, and I’m not implying Croats are Serbs. I’m specifically asking about Catholic minorities in Serbia (Bunjevci, Šokci, and also Croats from Vojvodina) or actual Catholic Serbs (there are about 12,000 of them according to the census)
Do you say "Gospa" like Croats do or "Bogorodica" like the Orthodox?
I have a hard time imagining someone who grew up in Belgrade or a bigger city in Vojvodina saying "Gospa"
But I saw some Catholic kids from Subotica on TikTok and for example they say "Gospodin" instead of "Gospod" and "Gospa" instead of "Bogorodica", even though they speak in Serbian/with a Serbian accent
I get that Bogorodica is a very Orthodox-coded word, it’s literally a translation of the Greek Theotokos. But in Serbian it feels like it’s almost become the neutral term, something even a non-religious person might use
(Unless someone is a zoomer and just calques it from English into "Devica Marija" or something like that. I’ve heard people my age say that a lot, which isn’t technically wrong in Serbian but it does make you sound a bit like a Jehovah’s Witness)
Many-Rooster-7905@reddit
Since when are Bunjevci and Šokci not Croats? Since Vučić said so?
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
Not all of us identify as Croats, simple as that.
Tasty-Pudding9708@reddit
Ali zato svi od reda imate hrvatsku putovnicu.
Kad zaratimo s nekim u budućnosti ćete uredno dobiti poziv za mobilizaciju.
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
Ja nemam, a ni mnogi drugi koje znam nemaju. S druge strane, znam i mnoge koji su to iskoristili i imaju, haha, ali eto, ako govorim u svoje ime.
Odd_Cost_5331@reddit
Not all Montenegrins identify as Serbs, but they're still Serbs. Not all Austrians identify as Germans, but they're still German. Saying Bunjevci and Šokci are not Croats is schizophrenia.
Sanguine_Caesar@reddit
Self-identification is the only consistent way to determine group belonging when it comes to culture. If Bunjevci or Šokci don't identify as Croats then they aren't Croats, and if Montenegrins don't identify as Serbs then they aren't Serbs. Any other standard is just arbitrary.
zimizamizum@reddit
Yes, and even more so, self-identification is arbitrary just as well, obviously.
Obvious-Desk4573@reddit
It's how Montenegro's demographics are officially 50% "Montenegrin" and 50% "Serb" despite everyone speaking the same language and sharing the same blood.
Odd_Cost_5331@reddit
Schizo
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
Okay, buddy, thanks.
anonumousJx@reddit
Maybe ask them what they think. Most don't consider themselves Croats but Serbs Catholics.
CamelAmbitious7425@reddit
Not a single Bunjevac identifies himself as a catholic Serb. All Bunjevci in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Hungary identify themselves as Croats, only some of them in Vojvodina identify themselves for some reason as Bunjevci.
UsuallySus33@reddit
Eh you can seemingly identify yourself as whatever in Vojvodina..Few of them that i know of identify as croats verbaly (it might be that some identify as bunjevci as well, but i dont think i've met them) but they officially identified themselves as serbs..i'm not sure why..i asked two people and got answers like "I dont care about such bs" or "Thats all the same shit anyway", so they apppear just careless..I dont wish to appear offensive with this, its just my impression that alot of people in Vojvodina dont strongly identify as anything or may just say they are serbs while being mixed or actually something else.
Magistar_Idrisi@reddit
Well, no, Bunjevci and Šokci either consider themselves Croats or a separate ethnicity. They definitely do not consider themselves to be Serbs. And afaik most do think of themselves as Croats.
anonumousJx@reddit
I know two guys from that area from college, both Catholics both consider themselves Serbs. I know a lot think they are a separate ethnicity (which Serbia recognizes), Croats in Serbia are recognized as a separate national minority.
Odd_Cost_5331@reddit
I'm from Subotica, not a single Bunjevac I've ever met considers themselves a Serb lmao
Sad_Philosopher_3163@reddit
Do you guys still speak with the ikavian yat? Lipo, lito, divojka, mliko, triba, donit and so on.
Odd_Cost_5331@reddit
More in the villages, less in the city. Even the people that mostly speak ekavian will use the occasional ikavian word tho.
Sad_Philosopher_3163@reddit
Would this be representative of how Bunjevci speak? For example, this is how my grandpa talks: Juče san iša cipat drva, vala Bogu, unde/nude san naša sikiru pored šćapa/štapa.
I am wondering because I am from western Herzegovina and Bunjevci supposedly originate from here and from here they spread all over.
Odd_Cost_5331@reddit
Not quite. I went on Google to find an example of Bunjevac speech, and found this: https://bunjevackeperspektive.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/bunjevac48dki-jezik.pdf
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
Are there any set phrases where the Ikavian form stuck around?
Odd_Cost_5331@reddit
I mean, depends on the upbringing and the level of exposure to both forms. If you grew up in the city and went to Serbian class in the school, you will probably only use the most common words like "di", "sikira", "željeznica" etc. and if you grew up in Tavankut you will probably speak 100% ikavian and throw around words that nobody south of Danube has heard (can you guess what "laboška" is?).
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
I figured that ‘di si’ is used even in Novi Sad. For example Jovica Dobrica says javi se brate di si pola ulice na Klisi. Maybe he just said it for the rhyme but I think I’ve actually heard people say it like that sometimes, not sure tho
Odd_Cost_5331@reddit
"Di" has entered most of Vojvodina speech, but it's an ikavian remnant.
senja89@reddit
You use the word "most" in your first comment, and then state here you know 2 of them identify as serb...hahahahahahahahaha.
Yea maybe get to know a bit more of them and go to some village and ask them before making such statements.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
They had pro-Serbian moments historically but they never considered themselves Serbs. The Serb Catholic movement existed among the Dubrovnik elites but back then "Serb" was basically just shorthand for "Southern Slavic/Shtolavian". Matija Ban, a key figure in the Serb Catholic movement, even coined the term "Yugoslav"
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
Since they voted in 1918 to join Serbia rather than the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs (DSHS)
Kreol1q1q@reddit
Well, the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs also voted to join with Serbia.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
I mean yeah but isn't that why some Bunjevci don't identify as Croats? Wasn't that why Vojvodina ended up in Dunavska and not Savska banovina?
Many-Rooster-7905@reddit
At the time Subotica had more Croats than Zagreb had, Im not claiming Vojvodina is Croatian land as does literally no one here
About Vojvodina joining Serbia at the end of 1918, well Croatian lands were under monarchy that lost the war due to poor decisions by that military, and Croatian lands were given as spoils by Englishmen to Serbs and Italians regardless of ethnic composition, I would like to remind everyone thats the same Englishmen that created fun and fresh conflicts in Middle East, Africa and Indian subcontinent
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
I never thought you were saying all of Vojvodina is Croatian land and to be honest I wouldn’t really care even if you were, no worries
Kreol1q1q@reddit
Oh I’m not saying some Bunjevci don’t identify as Croats, some certainly don’t. I don’t really care for the “are they Croats or are they something else?” debate - every adult person can make up his own mind on where he feels his nationality lies. They feel like Serbs? Good for them. Feel like Bunjevci? Sure, great. Croatian identity? Why not.
Regardless, I don’t think that has as much to do with either joining Serbia in 1918/19, or with how the Banovinas were formed - the Banovinas were specifically formed according to the particular political centralist appetites of Belgrade.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
Bačka Banat and Baranja entered the new kingdom as territories that Serbia had already annexed while Croatia Bosnia and Slovenia didn't. But yeah it probably wouldn't have made any difference to King Aleksandar lol
Many-Rooster-7905@reddit
Whole 2 days before the rest joined as well
venesia123@reddit
I mean, there's not a lot of ethnic Serbs who are Catholic - but I do know a few and they use Croatian variants - "Djevica Marija" and "Majka / Mati Božija", while "Bogorodica" is used in prayers and mentioned during the Mass. Some use the word "Gospa" when referring to a particular church, devotion or pilgrimage site (Gospa Međugorska, Gospa Brze Pomoći, Gospa od Škrpjela etc.).
When referring to holidays like Assumption - it's both Velika Gospa or Velika Gospojina.
Most Catholics in Serbia are situated in Vojvodina, where Church Services are either in Croatian or Hungarian and priests belong to those ethnic groups.
And fun fact - Greeks also use the same variant like Croats when it comes to "Gospodin", despite the fact that it sounds weird to us who use "Gospod" (gospodin is a word for "mister").
Kyrios (Κύριος) in Greek can be both used as a formal title for a person, and as a title for Christ. It's totally normal to hear "Kyries kai kyrioi" in Greece, meaning "Ladies and gentlemen".
CataphractBunny@reddit
Sad that this has to be said out loud since there are some who still struggle with the distinction. 😂😂
kuhinjski@reddit
I know one catholic serb but her last name doesnt end with -ić so it doesnt count
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
Why?
kuhinjski@reddit
Not real serbs
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
I'm going to hold your hand when I say this... Not all Serbs are orthodox.
kuhinjski@reddit
Some are atheist ye
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
Then why is a catholic Serb not a real Serb?
kuhinjski@reddit
When did i sas that in the forst place? I said it doesnt count if your last name doesnt end with -ić.
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
Okay why doesn't it count?
kuhinjski@reddit
Not real serbs duh
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
Are you rage baiting? Please tell me that you are rage baiting, there is no chance you think someone is not a real any nationality in the world because of the last name.
Usual-Package7120@reddit
He's joking, it's a joke lol
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
I really really hope so.
Usual-Package7120@reddit
zeza, don't worry haha, like everyone is serbian/everyone is Albanian joke
SuspiciousShock8294@reddit
Man... make... Funnny?
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
Man... failed.. at funny.... became stupid.
kuhinjski@reddit
Okay
SerbianMonies@reddit
There are very few Serbian converts to Catholicism. I say this as an ethnic Serb who at one point considered converting from Greek Orthodoxy to Catholicism. When I visited a few churches out of curiosity they definitely felt more Croatian than Serbian. Not to mention that in Vojvodina Catholicism might feel even more foreign due to the presence of other ethnic groups like Slovaks and Hungarians.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
I visited three Catholic churches in Belgrade and two in Bar (Montenegro), they never felt distinctly Croatian to me. Definitely not Serbian tho
SerbianMonies@reddit
Pa to sam i rekao lol
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
Pa reko si da ti filuju mor kroejsn, meni nije bio vajb da su hrvati uopste
SerbianMonies@reddit
Više hrvatski nego srpski, da. Ali sam spomenuo da ima drugih uticaja takođe. Barem kad sam ja bio video sam još neke strance. A za hrvatski kažem zato što su sveštenici bili Hrvati i sav slovenski tekst je bio na hrvatskom.
alpidzonka@reddit
Idk if you're being sarcastic, but my grandma would agree with you on this. She voted SPS in the 90s, DS in the 00s and SNS in the 10s btw.
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
Some hardcore Serbs would be minblown if they find out you don't have to be orthodox to be a Serb😄
ItsmeLuka@reddit
I am a Croat Catholic and i never heard anyone said gospa, we say djevica Marija, but maybe im wrong.
KarijesNaMozgu@reddit
Never heard that? Do you live in Croatia or? I am from Zagreb and both Gospa and Djevica Marija are common.
ItsmeLuka@reddit
Normalno da sam cuo gospa, ali nisam nikoga cuo da kaze izivo, i iz Koprivnice sam. Cuo sam i da Srbi kazu bogorodica , ali nikada nisam cuo uzivo Srbina da to kaze.
KarijesNaMozgu@reddit
Svašta. Eto prvi put čujem da jedan Hrvat nikad nije čuo ''Velika Gospa'' ili ''Gospa od Loreta'' uživo.
ItsmeLuka@reddit
Normalno da sam čuo Velika Gospa, ali ne u govoru da netko kaže za Djevicu mariju gospa.
senja89@reddit
Asti gospe jesi ti kurac iz hrvatske 🤣
Ili si jako mlad čovjek koji nije baš proputovao hrvatskom.
ItsmeLuka@reddit
Iz Koprivnice.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
I guess it’s more of a rural/Dalmatian thing than strictly a Croatian thing, but idk. For example, Thompson says "Gospe sinjska ako si u stanju uzmi Stipu a vrati nam Franju" or whatever and he also has that song “Gospin dom,” referring to Međimurska Gospa etc. so I’d assume it’s something that does get used in Croatian, at least in a religious context
I mean, Thompson probably isn’t the best reference point but he’s the only Croatian musician I really know. No idea if someone like Kukus Klan or Grše would ever use that 😅
Homos_yeetus@reddit
Whole Dalmatia says Gospa
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
My great grandmother was a Serb (Orthodox) from Dalmatia and she used Gospa too
KarijesNaMozgu@reddit
Thompson, Kukus i Grše od glazbenih ukusa... tooo Ustašo!!
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
Trebo sam stavim i Stoleta
KarijesNaMozgu@reddit
hahah kud bas tog krkana
amazingamy19@reddit
Why do you know those lyrics lol
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
That's just the tip of the iceberg
amazingamy19@reddit
Oh, I’m sure, but would never be interested in listening lol.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
I don’t know, why did people all over the world get into Remove Kebab? I guess it’s just one of those meme things that seems hilarious when you're in high school and then you can’t get it out of your head 10 years later
socna-hrenovka@reddit
So how do you call august 15th, "velika djevica marija"?
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
I belong to one of the minorities you are talking about and I grew up at the north of the country.
Yes, in the holy Mass, the Lord can be referred to as "Gospod" or "Gospodin".
Mary can be called multiple names, such as "gospa", "devica Marija", "majka božija", "bogorodica", or rarely "blažena gospa", but I think that's more for the holy Mass.
Bonus info, my grandma was calling Mary "bogica". It roughly translates as "small little female God", but I'm assuming it's just a diminutive from "Bogorodica".
Any questions, please feel free to ask.
fts_now@reddit
Podgorica?
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
If Podgorica is a city at the north in Serbia, then yes.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
How would you refer to her in everyday conversation, not just during Mass? Especially if you're a younger person (Millennial/Gen Z)? Would you say "Gospa" or "Bogorodica"? Do your Orthodox neighbors ever use "Gospa" (is it dialectal or always tied to religion)? What about school, did you use "Bogorodica" there (idk in history class they probably mentioned the icon of Bogorodica Trojeručica or if you had veronauka or something)?
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
Tbh, I don't remember the last time I talked about the Virgin Mary, outside of Church 😅 If you talk to kids, then it's "Bogica", and if it's an adult... I would either say "Gospa" of I'm talking to a more religious person or older and Devica Marija for others.
I don't think an Orthodox would say "Gospa" so I think it's tied to religion and language.
On veronauka, you would say Devica Marija. There is no Trojeručica in Catholicism.
What do you need this for? Maybe if I know the context, I would be able to tell you more.
SuperConcert8949@reddit
Doesn't Trojeručica refers to that specyfic icon and legend? It is not that orzhodox imagine her with 3 arms. Instead, it references specific miracle atributed to her
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
Maybe, but I haven't heard of that🤷♀️
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
Fair enough hahah so even you use "Bogica", it's not something only your grandma says?
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
We say Mala Gospojina as well. Not sure if Orthodox Serbs would think of that as a Slava, but the correct translation is Nala Gospojina.
Maybe you could add an asterix and explain what that is, so the Orthodox Serbs don't get confused.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
Really? That surprises me because I looked up some Catholic churches in Serbia (both in Vojvodina and here in Belgrade) online and it seems like they mostly use Mala Gospa (and generally post everything in Croatian like "kršćani" instead of "hrišćani" tho I guess it's cuz a lot of the priests are Croats/Slovenes)
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
Yes, but not a lot of Catholics in the rest of the country, mostly on the north.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
Fair enough. But those same people who say Gospa also say Mala Gospojina, and not Mala Gospa?
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
I've never heard anyone say Mala Gospa for the religious holiday, tbh. I am from from a small village near Subotica.
However, for Velika Gospojina, I think you CAN say Velika Gospa.
Hahahhaha
Milichup@reddit
Looks like it's regional, I'm from Srem and we do say Mala Gospa. 😅
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
Da, mislim da je najpametnije da prevede kao Mala Gospojina i stavi asterisk, jer može biti baš različito.
Milichup@reddit
Objašnjenje na početku za celu knjigu, ako može ono "sva obraćanja u muškom rodu se odnose i na ženski i obrnuto" ili kako već tačno glasi, može i "izrazi su pravoslavni radi lakšeg razumevanja" 😅
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
🤯
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
🤣
Not really, I am just aware that they use the words as well.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
So you would say Bogorodica too?
Melodic_Interview210@reddit
Само преводи Nativité као Рођење, та реч се користи и у православном формалном говору али је генеричније
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
Al ovo nije formalni govor, vise je kao kako bi seljak nazvao taj praznik (bitan za poljoprivredni ciklus)
Melodic_Interview210@reddit
Најприроднији и најобичнији назив Богородице међу француским сељацима би био "La Vierge" (Дева), "La Vierge Marie" (Дева Марија), или просто "Notre Dame" (Наша Госпа).
m1lam@reddit
I'm a convert to Catholicism and to be honest I think Bogorodica is the most common. It's just the Serbian translation of the Greek theotokos and both Orthodox and Catholics use the term.
You will pretty much never hear anyone Orthodox call her gospa though, that's usually reserved for the Catholics
pxxhs@reddit
Bogorodica
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
So you would use "Bogorodica" in everyday conversation but "Gospa" in church?
Aterosk@reddit
When we were doing some construction work at home, my grand father shouted at me: “Koji kurac tu stojiš kaj drvena Marija” which translates to: “Why the fuck are you standing there like wooden Mary”
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
I mi imamo taj izraz u srpskom
Names-Are-Confusing@reddit
As a Croat, both Gospa and Bogorodica sound too official-like, like you’d use them in a church. We say Sveta Marija or Majka Božja here in Zagrev mostly.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
What about Mala/Velika Gospa (the holiday)?
CataphractBunny@reddit
Mala Gospa and Velika Gospa for the holiday as well.
Names-Are-Confusing@reddit
We even have a municipality of Sveta Marija in Croatia, it’s definitely the most common way to call her when I think about it, in this part of the country. As for Mala/Velika Gospa, they’re called Mala/Velika Meša(meša=masa in Serbian). So holiday names have nothing to do with her name or what she was actually.
Admirable_Sundae_634@reddit
Fuck juden delete me now
GrandTimely2165@reddit
It’s sad that you have to distance yourself from the ultranationalist narrative that Croats are catholic Serbs hahaha.
GlitteringLocality@reddit
Devica Marija.
That is how we say it, or Sveta Devica Marija.
grympy@reddit
Gospodin for Gospod is super funny. “Yo, Mister, all good?”
_Winter-Wolf_@reddit
I really find it funny that "gospodin" is similar to the r Romanian word "gospodină", which means "hard-working women" (at home)
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
Mister God and his wife, Mrs. Mary
PlentyBoot5135@reddit
Santa Claus and Rudolph...
vbd71@reddit
In old Bulgarian Gospodin meant Lord, though. Just as Gospod still means the Lord.
grympy@reddit
Yeah, as a Bulgarian, I’m aware. Still kinda low key funny
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
I’m asking in the context of translating a book
The story takes place in France, so the characters are Catholic
For example, if I translated the name of the holiday (Nativity of Mary) as "Mala Gospa" to a Serbian reader that immediately evokes Croats, Dalmatia, or maybe Vojvodina, not France
If I say "Mala Gospojina" it starts sounding like the French are celebrating a krsna slava
And if I just transcribe the French name, like "Nativité" that creates a different vibe again. To a French person it isn’t some exotic “Nativité”, it’s the same kind of familiar term that "Mala Gospa/Gospojina" would be to a Croatian or Serbian peasant
Traditional_Win_7199@reddit
I am absolutely not an expert on the subject, but in Serbia, Vojvodina I heard Velika Gospojina. Velika Gospa is more in Croatia. But, again, this is just my very limited experience.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
Even among Catholics?
Milichup@reddit
I would go with Velika/Mala Gospojina and expressions closer to Orthodox ones, unless there is also an Orthodox character and you need to make a distinction or it's some sort of religious book. I'm assuming most of the readers will be Orthodox Serbs and if you go with Catholic expressions there is a risk they will not know what are you referring to.
Beautiful_Limit_2719@reddit
ma pitaš jel provociraš.Pitao si na srpskom sub-u , tkđ. imaš chatGPT.Prestanite se ponašta kao mala dijeca.
Puzzleheaded_Sir903@reddit
Look for older translations of other books and see how translators solved the issue.
Recently I read a book where Joseph was translated as Josip even though it should have been Josif.
User20242024@reddit
Croats who live in Novi Sad or Petrovaradin are speking in local Serbian dialect, so all depends where they live.
Puzzleheaded-Eye2078@reddit
are these Catholic Serbs in the room with us now ?
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
Catholics from Serbia then whatever
AttitudeGrouchy5135@reddit
My mother was a Šokica from west Bačka and she definitely said Majka Božja, especially when scolding us kids :D
nickdu2206@reddit
Maybe you should ask orthodox Croats too to compare
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
What, like Croatian Orthodox Church members? 🤣
stanoje0000@reddit
Hail h...Mary
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
There's a new one
KarijesNaMozgu@reddit
anonumousJx@reddit
Average tamo daleko enjoyer
Putrid-Football9780@reddit
I didn't notice the sub when I read the title question and thought this was the setup for a joke.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
What would the punchline be?
Putrid-Football9780@reddit
I've got no idea, I was a bit disappointed it wasn't a joke.
Kreol1q1q@reddit
I don’t think “Gospa” is as universally Croatian as you seem to think - my family never used that term, only ever “Majka Božja” and “Djevica Marija”. Though I can see how that could have changed in the last 10-20 years, “Gospa” might have been spread around more as the urban and north-western population dropped out of devout Catholicism, and rural and south-eastern populations became more predominant in that respect.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
You'd say it's more Dalmatian?
Kreol1q1q@reddit
Probably not exclusively any more, but the term definitely has roots in Dalmatia, the Dalmatian hinterlands and Primorje, and perhaps other rural areas.
KarijesNaMozgu@reddit
How do you call ''Velika Gospa/Mala Gospa''? And ''Gospa Lurdska, Gospa od Loreta?
Kreol1q1q@reddit
“Velika Gospa” we did call “Velika Gospa”, but that’s the name of the day, not the person. Much like we use the term “Božić” (little god) for the day, but call the person “Jesus”. When I’d ask what that day was about, the explanation would be that it’s about “Majka Bozija”.
KarijesNaMozgu@reddit
You live you learn. I'm born raised and live in Zagreb and this is the first time that I heard that Gospa is uncommon word in Croatia.
Kreol1q1q@reddit
I wasn’t saying it’s uncommon. I was just saying it wasn’t universal. I did point out it was likely gaining prominence in comparison with other terms.
Anxious_Trash_Panda_@reddit
Yes, but OP asked about catholics from Serbia, so there's probably a lot of differences across regions as well.
Zealousideal_Knee191@reddit
Bunjevci are Croats. You can say that Prečani are not Serbs but the are
deviendrais@reddit
This is the first time I see the term "Prečani" but if they want to identiy as such and not Serbs that's their right. Likewise, if Bunjevci want to identify as separate from Croats they're also free to do so
Zealousideal_Knee191@reddit
Pa normalno. Ali ako drzava to potice i smisljeno radi i benefite im daje radi toga. Onda je to politika.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
Prečani samo znači da žive "preko", ako se misli na Srbe iz RS onda preko Drine, ako se misli na Srbe iz Vojvodine (pogotovo 1918e) onda preko Save/Dunava
Hefty_Jaguar4305@reddit
Šokci are also a minority in Hungary at Baranya county.
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
How do Hungarians from Serbia say it? If they speak Serbian, that is
Hefty_Jaguar4305@reddit
The Sokaci are a Catholic croatian ethnic group in the Baranya county, southern part of Hungary (mainly around Mohács) and they say: Majka Božja.
The Rác are an Serbian ethnic Group in Hungary also live in Baranya are orthodox christian, they say: Bogorodica
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
Do you maybe know if they say Mala Gospa or Mala Gospojina?
Hefty_Jaguar4305@reddit
I only know that the Sokaci in Hungary say: Sveta Marijo, Majko Božja.
ThrowRAcatwithfeathe@reddit
"and I'm not implying croats are serbs" bro just avoided 4 million bullets right there 😂
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
I tried my best 😩
zanimljivo123@reddit
Virgin Mary - Devica Marija
Upstairs-Possible966@reddit
i mean, most catholic minorities in serbia are croatian and using šokci and bunjevci as an example of non croatian catholics in serbia is plain wrong because a majority of them are literally croatian
Willing_Corner2661@reddit (OP)
I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't talking about Croats from Croatia, didn't mean to go into the whole Bunjevci debate