Dysan 3.25" disk
Posted by Current_Yellow7722@reddit | vintagecomputing | View on Reddit | 24 comments
Never seen an ad for this disk, until now. Only knew about it because of a prototype disk drive for the Coleco ADAM Computer which you can read about by following the link. https://colecoadam.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/coleco-adam-3-25-disk-drive-prototype/
RetroComputeryBits@reddit
I quite literally tried using some Dysan disks today and they were knackered! I know they are old but no amount of formatting with different commands was bringing them back - dead track 0 …..boooo
scubascratch@reddit
Pretty interesting that Dyson claims 1MB of storage on these when they were beat by 3.5” which only could store 720KB at first.
Very interesting that they try to crap on 3.5” “metal shutter and breakable plastic parts”
tes_kitty@reddit
The 3.5" were also 1 MB, but that was the raw capacity. Formatted with a PC compatible controller you got 720 KB usable capacity (9 sectors per track). If you formatted them on an Amiga you got 880 KB usable capacity (11 sectors per track).
scubascratch@reddit
Yeah and an apple could get 800KB with their crazy variable speed motor and group code recording. I still think it’s a bit misleading to advertise the capacity that way.
tes_kitty@reddit
Back then you always found the raw capacity stated because the formatted capacity depended on the controller and OS you used.
This was true even for HDs. The well know ST225 from Seagate was about 25 MB raw but you got only 20 MB formatted.
scubascratch@reddit
How confident are you in that being the case for floppy disks? You sound like you might be old enough like me to have been there at the time. You have me questioning my memory so I actually just flipped through 3 copies of Creative Computing magazine from 1981, 1983, and 1986 as well as a Computer Shopper magazine from 1986 and while there are lots of full page ads for BASF, 3M, Fuji, Sony, Verbatim and Elephant and none of them mention byte capacity at all, just list the density and sided-ness.
I don’t disagree that if you could find a detailed spec sheet for the format and the drives which might mention raw bytes per track (even that’s going to be weird though because with MFM some bytes are 8 bits and some bytes are 10 bits). It’s not a number I recall seeing in any floppy disk ad (sure the computers and drives would say something but the computer ads would be the formatted capacity). At the time my old man sold magnetic media for BASF so I was around this stuff literally every day for many years.
I would be very curious to see if you could find any other advertisement from any other popular brand of floppy diskettes that mentions a byte capacity at all.
tes_kitty@reddit
> How confident are you in that being the case for floppy disks? You sound
like you might be old enough like me to have been there at the time.
You have me questioning my memory so I actually just flipped through 3
copies of Creative Computing magazine from 1981, 1983, and 1986 as well
as a Computer Shopper magazine from 1986 and while there are lots of
full page ads for BASF, 3M, Fuji, Sony, Verbatim and Elephant and none
of them mention byte capacity at all, just list the density and
sided-ness.
Yes, and if you knew the drives back then, you also knew the raw capacity. DS/DD disks were good for 1 MB raw if used with 80 tracks. Simple to calculate: DD meant 256 KBit/sec data rate. The drives were spinning with 300 rpm, makes 5 rotations per second. So you get 51200 bits onto a single track. Now multiply that with 80 tracks and 2 sides and you get 8192000 bits. Divide by 8 and you get 1024000 Bytes which is close enough to call it 1 MByte.
Of course that is raw, you still need some encoding to be able to read again what you wrote, either MFM or GCR. So usable capacity will be lower. The Amiga managed 880KB by leaving out the gaps between sectors since its controller didn't need them. It always read a whole track in one go and used the blitter to decode everything in RAM. The controller used in the PC (NEC uPD765) needed the sector gaps, so it couldn't read disks written in Amiga format.
I remember having read the 1 MB on the packages of early 3.5" disks. Later that went away.
tes_kitty@reddit
So we had 3", 3.25" and 3.5" disks at one time.
LaundryMan2008@reddit
Here is a compilation of most of the defunct floppy formats including a few proprietary ones: https://obsoletemedia.org/data/floppy/
my-names-gavin@reddit
Cheers! I very much like the 2.6' 8KB micro-disk
I feel a little embarrassed having only previously known about the 8', 5.25' and 3.5 but everyday is a school day!
Illustrious-Peak3822@reddit
’ denotes feet. “ denotes inch.
my-names-gavin@reddit
Oh sorry I used cm and mm at school but I'll try to remember that for the future
Illustrious-Peak3822@reddit
Same here. Asked my teacher in 4:th grade when it popped up.
LaundryMan2008@reddit
Despite a large wall of data storage media covering most of the media types I am missing an 8” floppy, I have 3.5” that I have gotten a long time ago and a 5.25” disk recently obtained.
However I have a much larger collection of large mainframe tape library tapes of all sorts as well as knowledge on the ones that I don’t yet have, no intelligence obtained on the location of a SD-3 cartridge (currently at large) yet but I do know the facts on it.
myztry@reddit
It was the cold water that caused this...
Have to say I went from 5 1/4 on the CoCo and C64 to 3 1/2 on the Amiga without hearing about the others.
tes_kitty@reddit
I knew about the 3" disks since I knew about the Armstrad CPC systems.
myztry@reddit
I had heard of the system. Can’t say I ever knew anybody with one. Things kind of got standardised with the Amiga and IBM PC compatibles after that.
tes_kitty@reddit
Amiga, PC, Atari ST and Macintosh all used the 3.5" floppy which meant game over for all others.
Kitchen_Part_882@reddit
There were others too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk_variants
Vuelhering@reddit
Huh... I've never seen these. That's strange for me to not have seen a commodity hardware device from the 80's or 90's.
_Maybe368@reddit
Thought exactly the same. Is this AI conflating 5.25 and 3.5?
I remember 3inch trying and failing to land. Can’t remember who used them. Amstrad?
Kurgan_IT@reddit
Never knew about this format. And I'm old, I've lived through every floppy disk format. Did they come before or after the 3.5 inches format?
Matt3141592@reddit
If you read the entire thing, the ad itself says “Copyright 1984”, so you make the call.
Current_Yellow7722@reddit (OP)
Can't say with certainty, but around the same time.