Germany: Men between 17 and 45 years must get permission from the military to leave country for longer than 3 months
Posted by whatIfindinterestng@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 323 comments
A new law was passed on 1st January 2026 but noone has noticed. It went viral yesterday after some news sites picked it up.
It was a law for emergencies and war time that would require young men to get a permission from the military to leave the coutry for more than 3 months.
The law was changed so that it now applies to normal times aswell, starting immediately.
I have not found an english news site about it yet, so you may translate:
https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/neue-wehrpflicht-regel-kaum-beachtete-aenderung-hat-weitreichende-folgen-li.10028539
Psychological_Lab543@reddit
Guys, those topics were deleted on 3 subreddits, the censorship is wild…
And its not like its fake, its in the written law…
Last deleted was a post with about 2,3k Upvotes.. keep it up please
bravoyyy@reddit
German here: the posts probably just post part of the context! Your interpretation is not correct law does not apply until military service is mandatory which is not the case. QUOTE: Doch fügte ein Sprecher hinzu: »Wir werden aber durch Verwaltungsvorschriften klarstellen, dass die Genehmigung als erteilt gilt, solange der Wehrdienst freiwillig ist.« And its not a new law. Its the same law that applied during cold war.
iris_dream_@reddit
You are incorrect. The law changed as described by OP. Yes, we had similar laws until 2011, but not since then. Your quote is irrelevant. The law does apply since the beginning of this year. The law itself is interpreted such that requests to leave the country have to be granted. A request is still mandatory and you still have to wait until it is granted. All the while, the armee currently seems to be incapable of properly processing the requests. An inexcusable situation.
bravoyyy@reddit
Why is the quote irrelevant?
klimaheizung@reddit
Another German here. Fact is that unless something is changed, it really applies already. That the same laws used to be valid during cold war doesn't make it any better. They are extremely sexist.
kJnOeQrQm63@reddit
"until Russia became a threat again", and who's elected to face that glorious honor of dying in the field of combat other than the [white native men] (https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/berlins-answer-to-its-conscription-conundrum-a-massive-medical-database-5728dd42) up until now only entitled to universal scapegoat. Well, no longer, I'm sure they'll be happy to have a new role of heroic protector, for Mahmud and Ismail, who's asylum claims are seriously taken because, otherwise they would face possible mandatory draft if they were deported back home.
That's a deal without any flaws, logically speaking, if anything, the propaganda writes itself for the military.
Full-Pack9330@reddit
Even so, how would they enforce it unless the free travel area is suspended in Europe? And what countries would agree to return them if they did seek refuge?. I think those in charge really aren't reckoning with how much people (not orcs) won't agree to die pointlessly anymore.
bravoyyy@reddit
That will change when your country is being attacked… Before the 2022 war, about 33–54% of Ukrainians were willing to defend their country, but after the invasion, this surged to 67–70% and remained high, with a strong majority committed to fighting until victory .
Head_Leadership_2108@reddit
Since when does Reddit care about misinformation? And if that was the reason, mods would stick a comment at the top explains the reason, it’s the common practice.
Euclidisthebomb@reddit
Your comment needs more upvotes. It should be stickied by the mods so that some of the misinformation floating around in comments can be set aside.
Eisbaer811@reddit
the part nobody mentions is that this regulation is NOT ENFORCED, and hasn't been enforced ever since the Cold War ended.
Source: I am german and was in the relevant age group when I left the country for a long time.
The state doesn't have a list of relevant people, there is no agency responsible for tracking this, and there is no law enforcement enforcing it.
Plus the law has no penalty defined for violating this.
PopePiusVII@reddit
r/news is awful about censorship. I was permanently banned and permanently muted from there for having the gall to comment and ask why a post was removed. An awful and vindictive mod team there…
Jazzspasm@reddit
if you haven’t been permabanned from r-news then you’re either dead inside or a paid-for account
the big subreddits are just messaging platforms for the epstein class - and it’s how the direct the mob, exactly the same as in ancient rome
getting banned from them is a massive sign that you have situational awareness and the tools for critical thinking - they don’t want people like that getting in the way of things
reddit is the same as anywhere else - instructions come down and data goes up
Puzzle-Necked@reddit
I was temp banned from worldnews for "threatening violence" for saying Trump will probably blow up another school as retribution. No mods, I myself don't have Cruise missiles to lob at Iranian schools, calm down
owzleee@reddit
I’m banned from r/worldnews and still have no idea why.
RetroTechBro@reddit
Alot of subs have r/KotakuInAction and other subs that dont subscribe to DEI labeled as hate subs.
Android1822@reddit
Probably subbed or replied to a wrongthink sub and was auto blacklisted. Happened to me. Got notifications from subs I was not even subscribed to that I got banned because I was posting in another sub they did not like.
greenhornblue@reddit
Same.
ohyeahwell@reddit
Same
diedlikeCambyses@reddit
Same but I know why
wavestersalamander69@reddit
Same it's nice to know I'm not the only one
Better-Lunch670@reddit
I'm shadowbanned somehow but all I do over there is insult morons
Salute-Major-Echidna@reddit
I was a mod on that sub for 5 minutes, I didnt have banning power but everytime I posted an article that appeared to have universal appeal they deleted it. After a week I just told them I was too busy with work.
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
Ghislane was re-added as a mod there not long ago.
I actually view it as a sign of bad character when I see accounts still posting in worldnews. Decent people get banned quickly.
gamerchileno@reddit
Does she have internet (and reddit) access from prison?
kittykatmila@reddit
The warden complained he was her personal slave. He didn’t agree with her being allowed access to a laptop.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fpc-bryan-official-says-hes-sick-of-being-ghislaine-maxwells-bh/
Significant_Donut967@reddit
Probably if she even is in prison anymore.
gamerchileno@reddit
What's her username? Can we see what she posts?
possibly_oblivious@reddit
She banned me from worldnews when the ukr invasion started I think, for threats to Ru lol
cosmic_sparkle@reddit
Holy shit really? This is blowing my mind. I only go to world news right after a big event bc I find normal people only go to that sub for the megathreads. The rest are Langley weirdos. I had no idea about this idk what to even make of it ew
Madmanmangomenace@reddit
But do you have any suitcase nukes!
scienceisrealtho@reddit
I once received a site wide perma ban tot treating violence because I commented that someone should destroy a mason jar full of baby spiders.
On appeal it was overturned and they told me that the site wide ban was done automatically by a bot based on the report they received.
lazybeekeeper@reddit
I got banned on world news for saying that about churches and the violence they bred and spread. Cultures of hate only suppress dissent when they can’t logic out of it.
moldivore@reddit
I got banned for getting into it with a Russian bot over Ukraine. I may have called them vermin. So maybe it was a justified ban, but man for a while I thought I could single handedly fight all the misinformation. I was very wrong.
Puzzle-Necked@reddit
Tin foil hat time but I think there are bots who memorized the Reddit rules and will report any dissenting voices as soon as they break one of the rules
Mysterious-Action202@reddit
I got a r/worldnews ban for saying congress persons who took from AIPAC had blood on their hands in regards to the Iranian girls school.
Aerospike_Ranger@reddit
Anyone taking AIPAC money is compromised by foreign agents. Old news, nobody seems to care.
chill_in@reddit
Large subreddits like that are literally purely for propaganda, they ban any real account that comments. Basically all the comments are by bots and these posts get heavily upvoted and the normies which follow the worldnews subreddit see the post and read all the bot comments but they never comment themselves.
kittykatmila@reddit
Thank you for that. Banned from news, worldnews, and Canada. 😅
PsudoGravity@reddit
Some of us implicitly know to stay away from certain sources.
Air320@reddit
At this point, I'm almost certain that some organisation out there has mapped out all the supermods and the mods who mod the subs which shape public opinion and compromised a good percentage of them through financial incentives.
This strategy wouldn't even require a majority of them to be compromised, but considering how modding works even one or two supermods bring an outsize amount of influence over the entire Internet considering Reddit's role as the 'Front Page of the Internet'.
This hypothetical organisation now just needs to sell it's services to the highest bidder as a one stop shop to the various lobbying agencies, PR firms, and 'Problem Solvers' to suppress or enhance visibility of any idea/news item anyone with money and power wants to influence.
Considering Glisaine Maxwell was a supermod, modding some of biggest subreddits out there and presumably made other people mods over the years, makes one think.
IGnuGnat@reddit
The majority of Canadian subs named after a city or location are owned by Liberal shills. For example if you try to discuss the topic of immigration in the main Canadian housing sub, you are insta-banned. In fact if you know almost anything about housing, you're banned. It's just an echo chamber of Liberal talking points. If a person didn't understand the history of some of these subs they might see the echo chamber and think that a majority of Canadians actually think that way
improbablydrunknlw@reddit
And they very actively demonize any other subs that start which allow open discussion.
IGnuGnat@reddit
oh absolutely! They will deliberately try to bait people into comments to break the rules. They will infiltrate the mod team and destroy the sub from the inside. It appears that their politics and belief system can only be sustained, if people are not actually permitted to ask certain questions. They appear to do it out of desperation
Jazzspasm@reddit
that third paragraph, there - its already happened, it’s a done thing, it is complete - in my line of work I repeatedly get contacted by marketing and PR agencies who are offering me coordinated campaigns on reddit via their hundreds of accounts to manage messaging, disaster and crisis management, silence criticism, promote image and reputation, advertise products and services etc - that’s just the marketing and PR agencies
why do you think cigarettes have started appearing regularly in posts? comment threads about “that looks cool” and “damn I could do with a cigarette right now”
McDonald’s suddenly appears in three or four different top posts on the same day
Trans people is the number one topic on reddit right up until election day then it suddenly disappears completely
Luigi Mangioni vanishes from the internet overnight and even using the L word gets you reported for threats of violence
Covid pandemic era was a fucking nightmare for free speech principals, goddam that was wild - half my bans came from saying that it’s more likely to have come from a lab with badly managed security than Chinese people bat shit soup
it’s all coordinated and that’s where reddit makes money
reddit is a highly managed space and most certainly is up for sale - I get the service offered to me weekly
ignoreme010101@reddit
any company names offering these services that stand out?
squirrel8296@reddit
When I still worked in advertising, Kia's agency which they had, at the time, recently purchased, tried to poach me to run it for them. I would guarantee they are still doing it.
Head_Leadership_2108@reddit
To add to that: this is why there are so many bot posts in on sub with lot of engagement (ie. Am I the Asshole). The posters are karma farmers bot to create “authentic looking human presence”. The accounts are sold to PR firms.
squirrel8296@reddit
Oh it's absolutely a thing. When I was still working in advertising, Kia's agency tried to poach me to run their astroturfing work.
Late_Sherbet5124@reddit
Same with /r/conservative. If you don't parrot the MAGAt simpleton views then they ban you from their echo chamber.
Head_Leadership_2108@reddit
That sub is full of bots. You can really see it because from time to time the lid gets pulled up and users with flairs critic the regime. Then it’s pull down again and there is only glory for the holy leader and [deleted]
Head_Leadership_2108@reddit
I got banned because someone claimed a post didn’t have a source (implying it’s misinformation), so I looked it up and added the exact source (a research paper)…
Yes it was a post about Russia torturing its soldiers.
IGnuGnat@reddit
Speaking of this, some of the subs dedicated to epstein are actually dedicated to trashing Trump. Trump is a disgusting person but those subs are twisted and they say a lot of crap just trying to smear Trump while somehow magically ignoring almost everyone else
impermissibility@reddit
Yeah, there is a lot of Dem/BAU laundering on reddit--maybe more than any other single propaganda purpose.
reggiNweJ69@reddit
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks lol
ignoreme010101@reddit
is this sarcasm?
cosmic_sparkle@reddit
Step 1: You are a politician who takes money fron an interest group that promotes the national interest of a country comming war crimes.
Step 2: You fund these war crimes with your country's budget.
Step 3: Another war crime happens
Assesment: You have blood on your hands. No antisemitism to be found here.
reggiNweJ69@reddit
I was being sarcastic but of course that is lost on reddit. I agree with you. They call you antisemitic, but they never call you a liar.....
cosmic_sparkle@reddit
Hahaha autism strikes again! Have a nice day!
reggiNweJ69@reddit
Haha Its cool. Im autistic too, I get it. Most people react similarly when I comment that, so dont feel bad.
Well-inthatcase@reddit
What if you just don't go to the sub at all lol.
SethGrey@reddit
I haven’t gotten banned yet, mostly because I don’t comment much cause what’s the point?
I did get a warning for posting Molotov ingredients in my local’s city subreddit as answer to the question “How can we stop these politicians from building more toll roads.”
Jazzspasm@reddit
that’s fucken awesome - keep up the good work!
Sad_Math5598@reddit
I’ve been permabanned from worldnews for criticizing Israel
fpsfiend_ny@reddit
Fact.
Banned.
Disappeared like scientists whom are able to break through the illusion.
Markus4781@reddit
Sounds like r/Europe
kittykatmila@reddit
I’ve been banned from there since 2023. For bringing up the 1948 Nakba. Literally just referencing the historical record can get you banned.
Jrecondite@reddit
If it gets big it gets government control and censorship
Brandiclaire@reddit
Perhaps try r/anime_titties for news. I know it sounds a bit risky click of the day but it is ACTUALLY a comprehensive collection of world politics and news.
eresh22@reddit
I have a pretty well curated news feed, but there's a lot here I hadn't heard yet. I appreciate you sharing.
PopePiusVII@reddit
Not a sub I ever thought I’d join, but thanks for the suggestion!
PsudoGravity@reddit
Don't um... participate? Let it die by its own actions.
Danger_Island@reddit
I’m banned from r/pics cause I once posted in the Tucker Carlson sub
StratsNplayS@reddit
Little hats and rubbin hands
Stars3000@reddit
Reddit is over censored garbage so I have been looking for alternatives. I was not crazy about the Fediverse
Head_Leadership_2108@reddit
Just opened the Voyager app, it’s actually not that empty anymore, there are a few current posts on the front page. Still a lot of old millennial memes from 15 years ago though.
redonculus8@reddit
Another one like that is r/ontario. It seems like it’s run by ‘the lobby’. If you just so make a mention of Palestine, they’ll perma ban you.
IGnuGnat@reddit
YKep this is an example of a Liberal owned cesspool
Significant_Donut967@reddit
Yeah all I got was "you're permanently banned for breaking the rules"
Zero response as to what or when I said something to break said rules too.
Adventurous_Pen_Is69@reddit
There are so many cuck mods on some of these subreddit of not even funny anymore.
spongebobismahero@reddit
The erasing of posts concerning the iranwar at r.news has been a joke lately. I don't have any idea how the mod team thinks its appropriate at this rate. Its heading into censorship territory imo.
WorldlyFollowing2423@reddit
i read about it too.
bapfelbaum@reddit
Its not fake but also not really new, all that changed is that the current world state is essentially considered as "on the brink of war/crisis" so that rule became active. I still think its a stupid one.
Individual-Cry8448@reddit
Because it is Not True. You don’t need permissive, you just need to tell them
zabuzzman@reddit
Deleted because it's fake news bot friend
val_br@reddit
It's even worse now, both German and English language Wikipedia articles about the law have been deleted.
Psychological_Lab543@reddit
What? How? How about searching on webarchive?
val_br@reddit
Nothing on webarchive. English article was named "Military Service Modernisation Act of Germany, 2026", while the German article was named "Bundeswehr Wehrdienstreform 2026".
Both pages return 404 errors on Wikipedia, Webarchive, Archive.ph and Wayback Machine don't have them.
Psychological_Lab543@reddit
Thats very strange. News articles began posting today about this new-old-modified law and the outrage is significant.
72kdieuwjwbfuei626@reddit
Please point out where you want to have seen significant outrage about the renaming of the Kreiswehrersatzamt to Karrierezentrum der Bundeswehr.
72kdieuwjwbfuei626@reddit
What’s fake is framing this as a new requirement when all they changed is the name of the office that processes these permissions which have been required forever.
Still_There3603@reddit
That's because the mods of those subreddits are hardliners who want Germany to rearm by any means necessary to fight a war with Russia.
This exit restriction comes with it but of course it's unpopular so they have to censor.
Realistic_Young9008@reddit
The censorship is rife on Reddit lately. On one sub the moderator was forced to step down because Reddit didn't like the comments. My notifications is a sea of "post removed"s (the original post not my comments) and the post themselves were not controversial, things like price of Easter chocolate etc
andresfgp13@reddit
Reddit its an awful place for discussions, they just eliminate any topic in which "the good guys" are looking bad and ban people that try to discuss those events.
like 2 weeks ago multiple subs where censoring any discussion on the pedo mod and were forced to stop because their attemps at hiding it became news.
ComingInSideways@reddit
Yes, a lot, LOT of posts removed recently.
voodoobettie@reddit
It’s weird when I see them in my timeline, read it and scroll up to find it was removed. Even just memes, it’s very noticeable.
Head_Leadership_2108@reddit
Yeah I spend way too much time on Reddit and when they go hard on censorship, I scroll through my timeline and almost all posts are removed when I open it, all comments removed. At some point last year, on top of the live purge I couldn’t even access Reddit, I’d refresh, it would load a few posts, then I’d get an error again.
Price-x-Field@reddit
If you imply that any country except America has flaws, you are a right wing nazi and must be silenced
Head_Leadership_2108@reddit
Lol I was banned from that sub because I added a source to an article about Russia forcing mutilated soldiers go back to the front line because they couldn’t pay the bribe (they couldn’t because commanders torture soldiers to extort wages). Today over 3 posts I commented on where deleted after I submitted my comment.
DonBoy30@reddit
I’ve noticed since this Iran war has kicked off, it’s like every thread gets deleted, but it’s live long enough to cultivate conversation and gain traction. I assume that’s from a little higher authority than small fry moderators. Unless they’re getting paid by AIPAC as well lol
Street_Moose1412@reddit
Don't forget Ghsilnaie Mxawlel was a lead mod of r/worldnews, r/technology, r/politics, r/science, r/europe, r/upliftingnews, r/celebrities, and more.
OIDIS7T@reddit
just to clarify some stuff real quick, this isnt a reaction to current world events, germany has for quite some time now been in the process of reactivating the mandatory military service due to inefficient recruitment numbers and the military rebuilt
this is just a part of that and from my understanding has been part of german law for pretty much most of its existence and it was just paused together with the mandatory military service
NoTerm3078@reddit
It stayed up in Conspiracy though. Which is now the dumping ground for inconvenient facts if you can find them thru the screaming drivel.
Psychological_Lab543@reddit
Its literally a modified law and everybody with two eyeballs can see it. Politics approved it just like that in 2026 and since then no major outlet reported it. Until I saw some newspapers few days ago. Focus.de is one ow those too. Will see more in the coming days.
gentrify_reddt@reddit
🤖🗑
anthro28@reddit
Reddit is very interested in keeping everyone's heads down. I would say reddit rivals, and sometimes even far outpaces, Google in terms of censorship.
weary_dreamer@reddit
commenting to check later
Fat__Dumper@reddit
Hopefully theres enough Germans that care about thr sovereignty of their nation to step up to the plate to keep drafts away
No_Equipment7456@reddit
It’s not enforceable the draft law doesn’t exist. It hasn’t since 2011. That newspaper is a rag.
Sam-Starxin@reddit
There's NO such law that's been signed, stop fucking lying. I went over all those posts and their shitty sources, there's absolutely no such thing.
whatIfindinterestng@reddit (OP)
Here is the law:
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.html
Strakiz@reddit
Ich hatte noch keinen Kaffee. Gilt das jetzt nur für Jungs ab 17 Jahren die noch nicht gemustert wurden? Oder auch für Männer die bereits eingezogen wurden und ihren Wehrdienst abgeleistet haben? Immer vorausgesetzt dass dies in Friedenszeiten passiert.
TheDodosWay@reddit
Das gilt für jeden Mann im wehrpflichtigen Alter. (17-45). Auch zivi oder nicht gemustert, ob Friedens- oder Spannungsfall. Einzig die bürokratische Struktur um diese Anfragen zu verarbeiten fehlt noch.
Big_Fortune_4574@reddit
They must really be expecting war
IgnorantEuropeanDude@reddit
"Die Genehmigung ist für den Zeitraum zu erteilen, in dem die männliche Person für eine Einberufung zum Wehrdienst nicht heransteht."
Weiter oben steht dass manche ersatzdienste als wehrdienst gelten. Somit gilt der ganze Spaß eh nur für menschen die noch keinen (ersatz-)dienst geleistet haben. Das ist zwar schlimm genug, aber weit weniger krass als gedacht.
dashingsauce@reddit
based and original language official government document pilled
Jazzspasm@reddit
“olog’d pilled” is a going in my phrase bank
TheDodosWay@reddit
§3 Section 2 Conscription Act: "Male individuals who have reached the age of 17 must obtain authorization from the relevant Bundeswehr Career Center if they wish to leave the Federal Republic of Germany for more than three months without already meeting the requirements of Section 1(2). "
DieselPunkPiranha@reddit
Section 1 being about conscription. Section 1(2) is about men living outside Germany at a time of conscription. §3 explains who's exempt from conscription. This is all through Google Translate, for reference.
Uncommented-Code@reddit
https://www.fr.de/politik/drastische-wehrpflicht-aenderung-maenner-die-deutschland-laenger-wollen-brauchen-genehmigung-zr-94248132.html?utm_source=_shared&utm_medium=west&utm_campaign=interactionbar
Ridonius_Maximus@reddit
(2) Male persons have after the completion of the 17th If they want to leave the Federal Republic of Germany for more than three months without the requirements of § 1 paragraph 2 already being met. The same applies if they want to stay outside the Federal Republic of Germany beyond an approved period of time or if they want to extend a stay outside the Federal Republic of Germany for more than three months without authorisation. The permit is to be granted for the period in which the male person is not available for a conscription to military service. Beyond this period, it shall be granted if the refusal would mean a special hardship for the male person - in the case of standby, tension or defense an unreasonable hardship; § 12 paragraph 6 shall apply accordingly. The Federal Ministry of Defense may allow exceptions to the permit requirement. (3) The conscription ends at the end of the year in which the conscripted person turns 45. Age completed. (4) In the case of officers and non-commissioned officers, conscription ends at the end of the year in which they turn 60. years of age. (5) In the case of tension or defense, the military service ends at the end of the year in which the conscript is 60 years of age. Age completed.
Chainmale001@reddit
Wow this comment aged hard fast.
PapayaMysterious6393@reddit
I posted it in /r/news and was downvoted, including my replies. I was downvoted for saying the title was copied and pasted.
Trixy318@reddit
Thats in Germany ! Not the US.
Global_Ad3461@reddit
I love how the CDU is taking something necessary and making sure people hate it as much as possible. I wonder how that will work out?
FactCheckYou@reddit
the law is being weaponised and used against us by by the Epstein class
but the enforcers of these tyrannical laws, the people actually doing the grunt work, are always people from OUR OWN CLASS
working class and middle class people need to collectively refuse to carry out the paedo-cult's orders - then all their plans and schemes will fall apart
ramborit06@reddit
When will women have equality in this law .
kanureeves@reddit
As a German - the bureaucracy here is so ridiculous that I truly wonder if this can be in any way implemented or monitored. Sure, it sucks that this is a law. But with European freedom of movement and super slow digitalization in Germany there will be no way every German male will register themselves when they leave the country.
Eisbaer811@reddit
this has been on the books for decades, and never got enforced. It's just a leftover from the olden times when we had conscription
Warburgerska@reddit
Just watch how Quickly Grenzkontrollen will be reimplemented once the goverment needs Canon fooder. We live a Forrest walk away from the Netherlands, but most people won't be so lucky.
Your money will be quickly frozen and assets confiscated. As a family with military aged sons or fathers you will be fucked. Just remember how Quickly it all whlent down during Covid once the rhetorik switched from nothingburger to boomercaust.
Our bureaucracy is only slow when the government doesn't directly profit from it.
kanureeves@reddit
I partially agree with you but to freeze money and justify cuts to personal freedom like that, they need a 2/3 majority in the parliament or declare martial law - both which seem unlikely at the moment. However, I cross the border to Denmark a lot and they have already been building a border control there that I have yet to see being used.
You're right, personal freedom got cut quickly during Covid and that changed a lot in our behavior today. The Covid lockdowns were widely a popular decision to protect vulnerable groups but I guess sending young men to fight is not and will not be that popular.
Warburgerska@reddit
I wouldn't trust public sanity. If the goverment will share Greuelpropaganda about our kids and democracyTM being in danger and how young men need to give back to society and (suddenly) be patriotic again, the majority of voters (old boomers) will vote your right to not be drone killed in a ditch away without even a second thought.
Especially when all the Passdeutsche will fuck off during "family visits" and all that is left are the younglings and middle class families.
People always underestimate the rabid changes possible. People also never thought there will be a wall build over night between a whole ass country. We'll, until it was build and the goverment started to shot anyone leaving.
kJnOeQrQm63@reddit
I see your point whereas, the stakes are elevated and costly for any dissident voices that doesn't immediately comply with the currently broadcast "cataclysm" mediatized ad nauseum.
But you seriously have absolutely no idea how much Gen-Z doesn't give any partial modicum of shіt about any public engineering pressure coming at them. There's already nothing for them which is at stake in their existing life, so what's gonna motivate anyone to experience hell given the deal is that "you get to be replaced by random foreign men at home".
Warburgerska@reddit
The motivation is prison or worse if you do not partake in case of war.
kJnOeQrQm63@reddit
So, get this right, what could Russia possibly do that is worse than that already? Outside of genocidе, i don't see why how any government could perform worse than the one currently treating its citizens as potential enemies.
What's the motivation for little erich? Hey, you might die Erich, but worry not, so that your sacrifice might help 10 Somalian men get in the country you are bleeding for!
Warburgerska@reddit
If the goverment starts a war against whoever, every military he male can be made to partake. Not partaking usually ends in prison. It's not a question of wanting to.
Dry-Hornet-7858@reddit
Correct and even here in us of a during Covid my suburban conservative county went from hand off freedom to the health dept telling you how long your grass needed to be to justify having it mowed. People got insane with bureaucratic power
Nurschnellmaltunwas@reddit
You are just spouting absolut nonsense.
Dry-Hornet-7858@reddit
Nope. Wish I was. We had what are called essential workers here in Ohio that could work and travel out during lockdown. However there was disagreement if lawn mowing was essential and whether landscape mowing crews could travel together in vehicles just to mow lawns : it was deemed by local health dept officials that if the grass was longer than 4 inches it could then be mowed, otherwise it was not essential to cut grass
Nurschnellmaltunwas@reddit
Ah. Just fact checked and you seem to talk about a couple days of confusion.
Yes, in a middle of an epidemic, there will be some chaos. Has nothing to do with power games.
Dry-Hornet-7858@reddit
Fact checked me? There are 88 counties in Ohio. Each with a health commissioner in addition to all the state health officials and all the cities have their sets of officials as well as villages. Townships do not and abide by the county. Literally hundreds of officials sprang into action to begin regulating and arguing amongst themselves in order to protect us. And yes it was about power- over people and territorial power amongst hundreds of little generals Now go take a midal
Nurschnellmaltunwas@reddit
My bad, no point talking to the likes of you.
Warburgerska@reddit
Even Normies got to power trip. Suddenly all those irrelevant NPCs could get back at those Usually above them for having family over at Christmas ( which was strictly forbidden) or walking in a park with your child.
2020 is where I have given up all hope in humans growing above historic atrocities. All those trash human would have gladly sentances people for public execution if that would have been on the table just to feel that power in their hands.
I was a geriatric nurse at that time and worked overtime. I knew my hygiene and what to do, but the amount of nobodies trying to publicly shame me, a medical professional, for not doing it their way was insane.
When in doubt, ask yourself what a retard would do and you pretty much have the answer for democratic votes and even political decisions with what politicians we have currently in office.
egg-land@reddit
Bring a medical professional is not the end all be all to understanding viruses lol
Based on how you feel everyone is below you I’m guessing you just thought your increased education should come with an increased ability to not follow the rules
Warburgerska@reddit
I literally have a background in microbiology, thank you very much, I think I know how a face mask works and what degree of covering is necessary, especially working with vulnerable populations and having been prepping for Covid before anybody even know that it's not a beer label during winter 2019.
To be able to break rules, one first must know what said rules do and what their purpose is. Something obviously neither you nor those self assured strangers do.
egg-land@reddit
Brother my sister was in the lab looking at our countries first covid samples. She knows how it’s transmitted and what she said has aligned with all evidence I’ve seen.
Idk what you did exactly but if that’s true then you do you.
I think we both would know there was good reason to be cautious about the masks though and the world cautiousness saved 10s of millions so idk why you hating on those trying to get you to follow the rules
Warburgerska@reddit
Okay, so you might want to sharpen that reading comprehension, desu. Because looks like nowhere did I claim I wasn't masking or wearing it wrong. Again, I would have been fired if that would have been the case.
Goes to show how people like you love to go and pester people where you even suspect wrong think.
You are exactly the kind of person I was describing.
egg-land@reddit
Buddy look at your comment again. You deliberately implied you don’t follow the rules fully and people publicly called you out
Now you claiming no where and yeah of course that’s true. You just implied it and led me to responded like that and now responding on a high horse.
Ironically you are the exact person you are describing. Think about it
Warburgerska@reddit
I didn't imply anything, I said people like you are looking for beef and control. And there they are storming my comment because one of them thought I dared to wear my mask wrong 6 years back.
American reading comprehension and bootlicking intensifies.
Geh mit Gott, aber geh.
egg-land@reddit
I ain’t from America lmao
And you did imply, lie to yourself if you want. Maybe even you accidentally implied it but again. You clearly did.
And my comment like i said was more about how you view yourself better than everyone, not about the mask themselves
Warburgerska@reddit
It's okay, if that's what you need to tell yourself. I do t like engaging your kind, as it's never based on honesty and openness to self reflexion.
And I certainly will not engage someone telling me what I thought or how I view myself because said person can't stand being called out on their inability to read properly and pit like desire to maul.
Have a good day, Kevin.
egg-land@reddit
Bruh we have the receipts. It’s like if someone tells you we didn’t go to the moon lmao, maybe that one you believe too tho
Warburgerska@reddit
What receipts? Are you high? It's the night before Easter, my brother in Christ, do you really have nothing better to do as to shitpost about how a stranger wore his mask 6 years back in time?
Please get help.
egg-land@reddit
You the one keep doing these long comments
And obviously I’m referring to the past comments we can go up and see
Warburgerska@reddit
Okay. Good night, sleep tight.
Imminent_SolarEvent@reddit
Did you wear a mask?
Warburgerska@reddit
Yes, obviously. I was on a job. It was literally mandatory from my employer and the state.
That person simply wanted me to put it up to the base of my nose, which would have prevented me from even closing my lashes.
I was wearing my mask and shield in accordance to the recommendations.
Brilliant-Expert-455@reddit
Netherlands is just as bad if not worse
HewSpam@reddit
Is Reddit finally going to learn that crypto might not be just a scam
Irverter@reddit
r/CryptoCurrency/ has known for a while
Warburgerska@reddit
My dude, German banks regularly prevent financial interactions with banks like N26. It's also going to be regulated to death soon and with such a volatility you can't be serious to park your whole portfolio into it instead of an All World, that would be insanity.
Good luck with rates ones troubles break out and people on mass will try to cash out their coins. You might be in for a bad surprise.
Last but not least, many people own their most money in Betongold, aka houses, especially as families. You can't just put it into your Tornister and bag out.
But coin are not the solution for most people.
PopePiusVII@reddit
It’s also for people leaving for more than 3 months. Most people don’t leave for 3 months without intending to permanently or semi-permanently leave, right? Or maybe my American brain can’t comprehend a vacation longer than 1-2 weeks…
Warburgerska@reddit
It is common for young people to do work and travel around the globe for a year, do practica in a job in other countries or any other reason really. Sabaticals are also a thing. Work half a year, get paid and vacate the other half. With work from home you cab work anywhere in Europe. Standard vacation time is like 28-35 days in Germany, and we only count Monday to Friday, so 7 weeks off work is not uncommon.
PopePiusVII@reddit
Wow. Very jealous. Thanks for the context 👌
Warburgerska@reddit
No problem, just remember that not all that shines is gold. When it's quite comfy, Germany is the second most highly taxes country (meaning when you account for all taxes and Abgaben, even those from netto, around 75-80% of your income goes straight back to the state, which is spending it mostly on boomers and hookers) at least in the EU and even the meme of free health care costs the average Hans around 800+€ (half of it is hidden as employer paid, but it's actually part of your paycheck one never gets to see) while you wait months for admission of a specialist and have to pay out of pocket for nearly everything.
Americans when hearing about well off EU countries tend to forget to put down their rose tinted glasses. There is a reason why high earners leave our Abendland for greener pastures.
kJnOeQrQm63@reddit
Why you possibly wouldn't want to sacrifice your life to defend that? That's the government I sure would see no better alternative to manage over my misery, I wouldn't possibly want Russia to come and mess me up that great of a deal in life!
kanureeves@reddit
It's a law anyways in the EU that you have to register in the country you are staying in after 3 months. However due to the Schengen contracts you have freedom of movement so you could technically stay with a friend on the other side of the border in France and work your online job from there and no one will realize. So the 3 months rule is kiiiind of in place already even if you don't need to report your whereabouts to the Bundeswehr.
Euclidisthebomb@reddit
Per the comment by a fellow german user bravoyyy:
the reporting is not in place at this time. Just the law reactivated so that should Germany find itself at war it can then enable the provision.
Confident_Banana_134@reddit
But what will happen to them if they leave without permission and then come back after a year?
kanureeves@reddit
Nothing, there are no border controls.
Papierteufel@reddit
Freiheit-beantragen.de has made it possible to submit a request for permission to leave the country online. Satircal!
Enjoy!
BigDummy1286@reddit
Does this apply to refugees?
No_Practice6120@reddit
No
IntelligentRatio2624@reddit
Germany hates men.
IntelligentRatio2624@reddit
Why am I downvoted? I'm simply stating the truth.
No_Practice6120@reddit
Germany hates German men
sptrstmenwpls@reddit
Why not women, too? Equal rights, er...?
OiFelix_ugotnojams@reddit
You do realise this is, um.. Patriarchy? which reinforces that only men has to do these things. And feminism is checks notes against patriarchy?
PossessionOk5313@reddit
Why are you mad at feminists when men are the ones who put this in place because they don’t view women as competent enough to be in the military at the same scale as men. Feminists didn’t put the draft in place, and most are against a draft for everyone.
AdorableAnubis@reddit
Jesus christ. To think that i once considered moving there. Young people in Germany is straight up having the worst time ever
LiveReplicant@reddit
Don't take this post as real - we'll see...
OokOokMonke@reddit
it is real. Its law now
whatIfindinterestng@reddit (OP)
Why not?
hyperfication@reddit
So they'll force you to fight for the country, but the influx of non contributing migrants don't have to do anything?
Sweet
Downtown-Chemical673@reddit
But aren't men and women equal? Why only men
whatIfindinterestng@reddit (OP)
It is in the german constitution
chilinachochips@reddit
whatIfindinterestng@reddit (OP)
It is applicable in peace times now
Foonzerz@reddit
Seems like one of those things where it’s better to ask for forgiveness than permission.
dashingsauce@reddit
God damnit I thought this sub was gonna stay cute internet fantasy prepper land where the intel is real but nothing ever happens.
But now it feels like things are going to happen and now this sub is serious.
I swear, if something happens I’m going to be upset. Not tryna do war shit.
PapayaMysterious6393@reddit
Right? I'm not feeling it. Not nearly prepared enough.
cultivationabc@reddit
I cant even start prepping. No money and no storage. I will just buy some waterfilter and survival Tools. Good for me i am 195cm 95kg and combat ready during Military
PapayaMysterious6393@reddit
Knowledge goes a long way. Can be much more important than 'stuff.'
thechonkiestchonk@reddit
Bros what do you mean “if something happens”.
AirborneGeek@reddit
I don't even know HOW TO enough for
Orkapork@reddit
You and me both.
Fat-Mad-Scientist@reddit
Calm down Scizo
Beautiful_Cost_5430@reddit
Can’t even spell schizo but thinks they can use it as an insult. Super high IQ person right here.
Fat-Mad-Scientist@reddit
Scizo is an insult? How do you call out someone being schizophrenic without mentioning their condition?
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
I don't like all the name calling myself honestly.
dashingsauce@reddit
Name checks out
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
Fat-Mad-Scientist@reddit
And btw, it's not that I can't spell it, it's just my phone autocorrecting a foreign language. I guess your 250IQ didn't think of that possibility.
Beautiful_Cost_5430@reddit
Calm down schizo
gun_is_neat@reddit
Same. I permanently moved to this sub, away from the bigger "doomer" subs because this is legitimate Intel, not just an echo chamber of "we're all gonna die any day now."
Really sucks to see the point of the sub coming to fruition
Known-Sugar8780@reddit
Nothing ever happens
ignoreme010101@reddit
keep that head in the sand chief
Known-Sugar8780@reddit
Well I hope I don't have 3-5 years of food saved for nothing. Like fuck it's gonna go bad, I've had it since the last giant scare.
dreimanatee@reddit
Is that your self-soothing mantra when you get gas lately? Or is it because no missles are hitting your workplace? Is that what you tell the families of the marines that got deployed and their families aren't told where they are being deployed for safety but in their gut they know they are going to Kharg.
Known-Sugar8780@reddit
No I honestly hope something happens but nothing ever does. I hope I'm wrong.
Beautiful_Cost_5430@reddit
Guys. It’s parody. That’s the phrase you use to describe people that don’t believe anything unusual ever happens. He’s not saying nothing will happen.
Assilly@reddit
Isn't the war shit already happening though?
Big_Fortune_4574@reddit
I’d say a large number of people are participating here because it’s not cute anymore
why_so_sergious@reddit
this seems moot.. I mean even if the freedom of movement and lack of borders would be reversed, there is no way they can stop anybody going to like poland for a weekend but never return.. I mean this law is unenforceable
thinkofitnow@reddit
Why would it only be men? Women deserve to be part of the effort too, along with the benefits provided. I'm confused about how this excludes women.
TsalagiSupersoldier@reddit
Definitely the biggest issue with this!
bigkoi@reddit
Wait...I thought the EU was supposed to allow portability of working. Does that mean a German male that goes to work in France or Italy to pursue long term employment would have to get permission?
whatIfindinterestng@reddit (OP)
Yes, but permission will be granted
bigkoi@reddit
Still. That's an interesting legal position for a country in the EU that requires permission for its male population to work in a neighboring EU country.
jaistklar@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6btTOqLOz3Y
focus on the last sentence.
as long as military service is voluntary, EVERY application is automatically approved.
if its no longer voluntary we're fcked anyways.
so calm down :)
freesoloc2c@reddit
That's pretty crazy. I just don't understand though. 1 million Russian troops dead, their navy sank, drone attacks in Moscow but Germany is getting ready to fight?!
Reblyn@reddit
German here.
The problem is that lately, the German BND (secret service) has been warning that Russia is getting ready for a broad scale attack on Europe in approximately 2029. Yes, they have lost a lot of lives so far, but they are seriously beefing up to the point that it's getting harder for Europe to keep up with them. On top of that, Ukraine and Russia are currently the only two countries in Europe that have experience with modern warfare. And that should worry you, because although the BND kind of has a reputation for being a little incompetent, this reputation is very much deliberate. In reality, the BND frequently works with the American secret service and was also involved in one of the most spectacular secret service operations in post-war history. They have also only recently admitted that they were successfully spying on the US during the NSA scandal back in 2013 without even getting approval from Merkel at the time - and no one noticed, not even the US itself, apparently (it is kind of funny, the US was spying on our politicians, so the BND didn't even ask our politicians for approval. If they did, the US would have found out since they were spying on them). They are very capable and if they go public with information like this, it should be taken serious.
freesoloc2c@reddit
Thank you for taking the time to answer this question.
Lord_of_Sword@reddit
Because it's not Russia alone you need to fear, it's both Russia and the US.
It's going to be a pincer attack where they invade Norway and the Baltic States at the same time, potentially before the 2028 US presidential election.
From a geographical, strategical and logistical point of view it makes sense. Norway has plenty of oil and which would make transport and logistics significantly easier, cheaper and faster too.
freesoloc2c@reddit
I don't understand your first sentence. What do you fear about the US?
Inside-Government791@reddit
So what does this mean. Are they preparing for war
YourDadwithdaMilk@reddit
I think Im going to murder my nearest politician
GulNoticer@reddit
I bet it magically doesn't apply to all of the Muslim military aged men they've imported though. Just the whites.
BodhiLV@reddit
Hey, your white hood is showing. You klan boys are getting obvious.
Visible_Bar_623@reddit
Absolutely sickening that this is happening at all, and then that it is not treating all citizens as equals under the law...
Conscious_Length_865@reddit
Unless they’re going to make Transwomen stay as well, it’s pointless. Everyone will just self ID out of it.
Accurate_Syrup_1345@reddit
Funny how it's so easy to define what a man and a woman are, all of a sudden.
trusty_p4tches@reddit
this got crosspostet on all german (political) subreddits yesterday. op used it to bash feminism. theres a lot to say about whats wrong in german politics atm but this law from years ago is just blatant ragebait.
Separate-Party7247@reddit
Funny how German women rage all about inequality and sexism yet their self proclaimed "democratic and liberal" country has laws which only applies to men. Bullshit hypocrisy.
PossessionOk5313@reddit
Do you think feminists were in power all throughout history when the male only draft was enforced? No, that was other men. Even today, men are the main ones in power and are the ones keeping this up.
Don’t get me wrong, I believe that both should be drafted or no draft at all, but blaming the people who have nothing to do with this at all is silly when it was a bunch of old men who thought only men were good enough to fight and women should stay home as housemakers. Feminism actually fights for women to have a more prominent role in the military and not be excluded like this.
whatIfindinterestng@reddit (OP)
I did not post it anywhere else, I dont know what you are talking about
taxed2deathDNR@reddit
I think they were referring to yesterday’s op post, not yours. That’s how I took it anyway
whatIfindinterestng@reddit (OP)
Ah okay
trusty_p4tches@reddit
yes, sorry, switched up reddit-terms. i meant the guy that started posting it everywhere.
PersonalNature1795@reddit
Bot maybe?
jpauw01@reddit
As a dual national being abroad as an expat. It feels a little less appealing to even renew my German passport now lol.
EmptyBodybuilder7376@reddit
This is made up BS.
None this is happening.
AncientRomanGooner@reddit
I never even heard of this, thank you
rubberboots3357@reddit
I guess one gender is more equal than the other.
PossessionOk5313@reddit
Yeah, men should really stop forcing other men to do this smh
ItalianStallion9069@reddit
This isnt true?
newphonewhodis1899@reddit
Ye German fucks ever going to do anything or just keep letting your pathetic government cosy up to Israel? Fucking cowards
Menes009@reddit
yes and no,
the law says that when a mandatory military service (aka conscription) is in order, then the german men are subject to get this permission to leave the country, provided they dont have legal residency in a foreign country already. That part is true.
caveat is, Germany had no conscription since 2011. Even now that they are making men fill a form for the military, its legally an "invitation to voluntarily enroll" and not conscription.
this is a blunt lie
A_Happy_Tomato@reddit
Please let's get this to top comment, people are thinking this applies to all of Germany RIGHT NOW
LectureIndependent98@reddit
It does. It’s more like it’s not enforced and they say “yeah, right now we have an internal memo that it does not get enforced”
whatIfindinterestng@reddit (OP)
It does
nocreativusername404@reddit
Holy fuck, the people actually saying the truth is insane. People thinking that they have to apply right now if they wanna leave are just looking for another reason to panic.
It's only if you have conscription and at that point it'll be the least of your worries if you need to write a letter.
whatIfindinterestng@reddit (OP)
The whole law is about conscription but this pargraph is applicable in peace time as well, as stated clearly in paragraph 2 of the law itself.
AnomalyNexus@reddit
Grand. Was not looking forward to figure out how to do this when doing a quick trip to germany
Menes009@reddit
goes without saying that conscription doesnt apply to non-citizens
LanderMercer@reddit
Didn't they just re-arm
Less_Low_5228@reddit
I mean… if you leave on a “one month vacation” with 0 intention of ever returning what are they going to do about it?
It sounds unenforceable
American_Greed@reddit
Do what now?
bekindrefindyaself@reddit
The elites Epstein class are planning a great cull
brucebay@reddit
according to Germans this is voluntary (as they don't have mandatory enlistment) and is an automated process.
for me though. it looks very much a step toward impressive state. for which German criticized others for decades.
then I found out it is normal for Germans to starve journalists -especially the ones criticizing Israel by sanctioning them (no financial transaction is allowed) to muffle their voice, and ruin their lives if not killing them eventually....
human rights my ass...
jimmythesaint83@reddit
Found on r/worldnews https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/PKru3pedCt
BrittaKenulla@reddit
Ah, slavery
oskich@reddit
And gender equality, very modern 👍
UtopianScot@reddit
OP this claim cannot be verified, hence why posts have been removed elsewhere. Not one of these ‘news sites’ can point to the actual legislation they’re claiming does this. Don’t fall for fake news
whatIfindinterestng@reddit (OP)
Here is the law: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.html
UtopianScot@reddit
Conscription is not in effect right now, which is the only circumstance where what you say comes into effect. The law does NOT say in PEACETIME people need permission to leave. This is disinformation
whatIfindinterestng@reddit (OP)
In paragraph 2 it says that paragraph 3 is appliable during peace time. I think you are mixing topics here, this is not about conscription.
Look at the law here: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.html
Paragraph 2 and paragraph 3.
UtopianScot@reddit
No what your post is about: that ‘men between 17 and 45 years must get permission from the military to leave country for longer than 3 months’ does not apply in peacetime, it only applies when conscription is activated. Conscription is not currently activate, so the point is moot is what I’m saying.
Should conscription be reactivated then yes, your post makes sense
wegwerfi08@reddit
It’s not fake news. This was the headline topic all over German news yesterday. The law is active and applies to peace time:
https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Maenner-bis-45-muessen-sich-laengere-Auslandsaufenthalte-genehmigen-lassen-id30681462.html
“Männer im Alter zwischen 17 und 45 Jahren müssen sich offenbar im Zuge der Wehrpflicht-Änderung eine Genehmigung der Bundeswehr einholen, wenn sie Deutschland für länger als drei Monate verlassen wollen. Wie die "Frankfurter Rundschau" berichtet, galt diese Regelung bisher nur in Krisenfällen, ist seit dem 1. Januar 2026 nun aber dauerhaft in Kraft.”
wegwerfi08@reddit
Here’s the article breaking the news:
https://www.fr.de/politik/drastische-wehrpflicht-aenderung-maenner-die-deutschland-laenger-wollen-brauchen-genehmigung-zr-94248132.html
The situation has even prompted the defense ministry to comment on dpa:
“Wir werden aber durch Verwaltungsvorschriften klarstellen, dass die Genehmigung als erteilt gilt, solange der Wehrdienst freiwillig ist.”
Note, that it says they’re planning to implement an automatic approval while conscription isn’t mandatory. But currently, no such rule exists, so it’s active even now in peacetime.
UtopianScot@reddit
No they’re planning ‘administrative guidance’ to specifically clarify, as of right now men do not need permission to leave. Men can currently, right now, leave Germany beyond 3 months without permission. So the OP is not correct.
wegwerfi08@reddit
You’re wrong and you know it at this point.
UtopianScot@reddit
Except I’m not. The post has claimed something is happened which currently isn’t. Men do not need permission to leave
wegwerfi08@reddit
Thanks.
Background_Job_6326@reddit
That's the point, right now they DO need permission.
§ 2 Anwendung dieses Gesetzes
(3) Außerhalb des Spannungs- oder Verteidigungsfalls gelten die §§ 3, 8a bis 20b, 25, 32 bis 35, 44 und 45.
That's the change that's being debated, because before this year § 3 didn't apply in peacetime, now it does. The fact that nobody knows how to even apply that law doesn't mean the law doesn't exist.
Chisignal@reddit
Can you point to where it claims this? I’m not fluent in German, but machine translating a paragraph or two is feasible
pissedinthegarret@reddit
the specific passage is §3 (1) and §3 (2)
HappyYappa@reddit
Why are you lying?
UtopianScot@reddit
I’m not lying. Point out the section of German law that does what OP claims in peacetime.
Own_Importance_3226@reddit
Are you ok?
wegwerfi08@reddit
He did. Editing your comments would be sensible, imho.
joebojax@reddit
Oh
Euclidisthebomb@reddit
OP, your headline is misleading although I do not think your intent was deliberate. See the comment herein by user bravoyyy.
The reporting law would be in effect if mandatory military service was enacted. There is no reporting requirement at this time.
whatIfindinterestng@reddit (OP)
No, the new changes paragraph 2 tells that the permission requirement of paragraph 3 is applicable during peace time.
Please just check the law itself, I have commented it a few times already
BigGreen1769@reddit
Is this law just for German citizens, or does it include all immigrant visas and permanent residents?
bravoyyy@reddit
German here. Your interpretation is not correct law does not apply until military service is mandatory which is not the case. QUOTE: Doch fügte ein Sprecher hinzu: »Wir werden aber durch Verwaltungsvorschriften klarstellen, dass die Genehmigung als erteilt gilt, solange der Wehrdienst freiwillig ist.« And its not a new law. Its the same law that applied during cold war.
StorminWolf@reddit
It also states that they want to add this. Currently you will have to obtain permission, even if you have been out of the country already. I left that shit hole in 2012.
whatIfindinterestng@reddit (OP)
I am also german. What you quoted there means that once you ask for permission, they will grant permission, as long as conscription is not in place. But you must ask first, which is what this post is saying.
bravoyyy@reddit
My understanding is that Verwaltungsvorschriften are general administrative orders. And therefore apply to all cases, without request.
StorminWolf@reddit
Fun thing is, it apparently applies if you are already out of the country. I left Germany for good in 2012. Time to get the citizenship here in Ireland, me thinks. But Germany has other laws like that, where they can just decide the state needs money, and you will have to take out a loan on your home, and you will have to repay it. And more fun stuff.
Defiant-Employment-3@reddit
I was told that they are not required to ‘get permission’ but that the government wants to know where they are if out of the country for an extrnddd period. This article had been removed multiple times as it is a completely misleading headline and the article is in German and I doubt most folks take the time to translate something like this.
Translated excerpt:
Ministry admits "profound" consequences – details remain open At the same time, the ministry admitted that the consequences of this regulation were "profound". They are currently working on "concretizing regulations for the approval of exceptions to the permit requirement," also to "avoid unnecessary bureaucracy." However, the spokeswoman asked for understanding that it was not possible to anticipate the ongoing examination process. A final description of the procedure is "not yet possible". Paragraph 3 of the Compulsory Military Service Act provides that permits must be granted in principle – so there is no provision for refusal. Nevertheless, the application remains mandatory. The ministry left unanswered the consequences if a man does not obtain permission before leaving the country.
“
Ok-Philosopher-5139@reddit
lol this rule is so ez to break, just say u want to go to wherever for less then 3 month and its a non issue, imagine millions of people doing this, enforcing it will cost multi billions, they wont enforce it in any other country...
Silver_Draig@reddit
Heard trumps father or grandfather? One of them skipped town because he was of age for military enrollment.
JustMyPoint@reddit
Yup, Trump’s grand-daddy. His citizenship was revoked for it.
JustMyPoint@reddit
What about Germans who were born and lived abroad? I’ve never stepped foot in Europe. What do I have to do now?
_Mystyk_@reddit
Gender equality at its finest
Capital-Trouble-4804@reddit
What will they do if you don't?
manalexicon@reddit
Now uptick in males who identify as women
xullop@reddit
Fake
Theone2324@reddit
Does this law apply to the migrants too or just citizens
🫵🏻🤣
Fit-Ordinary9680@reddit
Its a German old law. Its nothing new and has alot of exceptions.
No_Equipment7456@reddit
This is untrue. The draft in Germany hasn’t existed since 2011. There is no current plan to start one.
Equivalent-One4139@reddit
Just men? Doesn't sound very progressive!!
fpsfiend_ny@reddit
We need a new glossary.
They are looking for certain dialogue.
The pedophiles did this with the whole pizza gate, chicken, soda references.
Last-Engineering-528@reddit
Bruh I only get 25 days of leave a year in the military. Where do I sign up for the Bundeswehr? 😭
FursonaNonGrata@reddit
This is not for military personnel. It's for military aged males.
EuropeanLord@reddit
Who and how will check it with Schengen? I can live for years abroad and government won’t know? Hmm
DieselPunkPiranha@reddit
For it to work at all, Germany would have to leave the Schengen Area and set up borders, walls, and roadblocks all around the country. There's no way they could enforce such a law even during wartime.
DevolvingSpud@reddit
Uhhh… they sort of did back when I was a kid. At least half of them anyway
davesmith001@reddit
The hidden nazis love passing laws on the last day before Xmas when no one shows up for voting, they learned that trick from you know who.
Konradleijon@reddit
Why are they scared
Throwawayaccountdell@reddit
There really needs to be a civil rights group to challenge this whether in German courts or European ones. I know Germany has a discriminatory and sexist mandatory service law for men in it's constitution but someone really needs to challenge these violation of human rights.
DieselPunkPiranha@reddit
Germany has a culture obsessed with order. There are plenty of goodnatured people there, but they don't often stand up against the unethical if it comes from the state.
Superest22@reddit
Fair
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techlord13@reddit
How many german soldiers leave Germany for more then 3 months..probably 20.
In Germany we call this "viel Lärm um nichts"
whatIfindinterestng@reddit (OP)
Every german male, not just service members
techlord13@reddit
Ok... Fair point. So some students and a few more. But that will just be some kind of legal foundation for war times so in such a case they could keep track of our men defending Germany.
That's probably not really enforced in peace Times.
Do other countries have similar laws in place and are they enforced?
scrotumscab@reddit
US has the Selective Service where as soon as men turn 18 they're supposed to sign up for the draft. Never heard of anyone getting hit for not doing it though.
NeverEndingCoralMaze@reddit
We can’t get student loans or hold office. That’s really the only consequence. I’m aged out (for now).
GoBlueBeatOSU21@reddit
I think you also aren't eligible for government jobs if you are not registered with selective service.
HotFluffyTowel@reddit
That does seem to be what it says. That's fucken wild. Glad I don't live there anymore.
ddombrowski12@reddit
Well in your shitty militaristic village things like liberty might be irrelevant as well. Doesn't have to account for the rest of the republic.