Tested: The Geely Galaxy M9 Proves Chinese Cars Could Be Seriously Competitive in America | Edmunds
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Energy4Days@reddit
Only a matter of time they enter the US after bribing the right politicians
Outpa@reddit
Visiting another country now and most of the cars are Chinese. They are fine and seem like it would make great competition to drive prices down.
killshelter@reddit
When I was in Aus and NZ last year, BYD’s were everywhere
Aussie_5aabi@reddit
We have heaps of Chinese brands in a Australia these days, and most of them are brilliant!
cloudguy-412@reddit
Which country?
VanillaLifestyle@reddit
I've heard it's the case in Mexico and Brazil (two of China's top 5 car export destinations), but I was also surprised to see it in the UK last year. Tons of BYD, MG and Jaecoo (which I'd never even heard of).
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
The takeoff of Jaecoo in the UK is bewildering, it's like a d-tier brand in China.
ShadowNick@reddit
One could hope
WCWRingMatSound@reddit
Two things I need to consider a Chinese made electric vehicle:
Data Privacy law to ensure that the user data resides in the US and remote control of the vehicle can be disabled.
Repair/Maintenance availability. In SoCal, I’m sure it would be trivial, but for those of us outside of urban centers, being stranded AND waiting days for a diagnosis/repair is a non-starter. I’m an hour away from the nearest Polestar maintenance center, for example.
cubs223425@reddit
Why is this a concern when the current companies selling in the US harvest data and sell it to whoever they can? With how many tech companies utilize foreign-based services to maange their platforms, it's naive to expect anything good from them. To boot, most of these companies are doing a LOT of foreign worker hiring, so it's not like they respect or care about you as an American consumer on any level.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
For me, there is a difference between harvesting data by a private but domestic business, and a harvesting of data by a hostile foreign nation.
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
These people are unable to conceive of literally anything about these cars except “want cheap”
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
They are the same people wanting to make sure unions are involved in literally everything and are fighting for California fast food workers to make $25/hr.
cubs223425@reddit
Maybe, but with how many of these companies have business ventures and supply chain in China, I'm not at all trusting of them. They are easily compromised and manipulated be the situation.
DoublePostedBroski@reddit
Because one of those countries has forced labor camps and thinks the Tiananmen Square massacre didn’t exist.
Say what you want about the U.S. selling data, but at least there’s some semblance of freedom.
cookingboy@reddit
The Tiananmen Massacre happened almost 40 years ago, and since then America started at least 4 actual wars that led to hundreds of thousands, if not millions of death. Democracy or not one country has been far more damaging on the global scale.
And with your rationale, I can see why you don’t want to buy Chinese products. But buying their cars and draw the line at data privacy is just weird.
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weaponR@reddit
Whataboutism is a favorite past time of reddit.
cookingboy@reddit
Whataboutism is an accusation made up by blatant hypocrites.
weaponR@reddit
It's a lazy logical fallacy whether you like it or not.
cookingboy@reddit
It’s not a logical fallacy at all to call out hypocrites.
Imagine a serial killer comes to you and say “you shouldn’t be violent toward others!!”, pointing out that they are a serial killer is not whataboutism.
DoublePostedBroski@reddit
I mean, at least there’s US is saying that those wars didn’t exist.
ChaosRevealed@reddit
For profit prison slaves
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Recoil42@reddit (OP)
Christo-fascists invading and killing foreign governments on a whim has been an American tradition for at least two centuries and arguably a lot longer than that. Really nothing new there. If that's the moral bar, the US blew past it long ago.
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
Mate, the US is actively complicit in genocide right now at this very moment. Y'all really can't be doing this level of cognitive dissonance with a straight face in 2026. It's to move on from the bargaining stage and exit towards the depression stage.
DoublePostedBroski@reddit
Oh please.
The U.S. ≠ China. I know you’re pro China, but you cannot say the two are equal.
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
Pay attention, kids: This is what genocide denial looks like.
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
You mean what all you pro-China guys do all the time about Xinjiang?
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
I'm not 'pro' any country, so you're aiming your gun at the wrong person, but again, in this moment it's pretty wild how desperately you're trying to distract from your own active very well-documented genocide while frantically waving at another purported genocide, whether it existed or not.
Like you know genocides aren't math equations, right? One doesn't cancel out the other?
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
What “genocide” am I being accused of denying? Please point to any post of mine that is “denying a genocide.”
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
I haven't accused you of denying genocide at all. I accused you of trying to distract from it. Try to follow the thread more closely, please.
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
They’re so desperate to be under PLA thrall, it makes you wonder why they don’t move there
cubs223425@reddit
I don't disgree with your point, but acting like these "better" American companies aren't outsourcing jobs and production of goods to the same country you're worried about is just naice.
The "shell of a democracy" you're referring to isn't managing these big tech companies' data. Instead, we're getting constant news reports of data leaks of "American" tech companies where data is compromised because the company uses foreign services and contractors to manage data that ends up creating security holes. I'm pretty sure we had 2 or 3 major data breaches in the last month, where the source of the leak was third-party data managers in countries like India.
ghostogresnowrabbit@reddit
Too much brainwashing by the media.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
Frankly, these should be requirements for all vehicles in the US.
VioletGardens-left@reddit
I'm amused you're concerned about data privacy when they don't truly need that really. It's your own phone being what's used for such a thing. Have you also forgot how long it has been for Patriot Act. Chinese spying is nothing when your very own country is spying on you, as well as private companies who wanted your data.
WCWRingMatSound@reddit
Both can be fixed with the same privacy law. Glad you’re amused though.
AmericanExcellence@reddit
the problem is, point 1 is - in addition to the general strategic economic damage intended to be inflicted long-term - the whole point of these cars. it's all about behavioral monitoring and control.
cookingboy@reddit
Gotta layoff the propaganda lmao.
Baltarstar-Galactica@reddit
The first point is true but if China shut down their vehicles in any market they would irrevocably ruin their automobile sector. Besides not even Chinese consumers are worrying about it as brands like tesla, lincoln, cadillan, buick and ford sell decently well in China.
The second is yeah... America is too big, it would be a hastle to get them serviced/repaired. I worked in a car company that just entered my country's market befor., some customers would have to drive hundreds of kilometers to get to a service center and even then parts were an issue. We did actually have to rip off some parts from the unsold cars to repair them as a last resort lol.
cubs223425@reddit
This is a completely different scenario. China HEAVILY manages how things go in their country. If GM up and abandoned the Chinese market, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Chinese company stood up in a week to take over the business of servicing/repairing those vehicles.
Baltarstar-Galactica@reddit
Could they still do that if US bricked all the gm cars in china remotely in an extreme scenario?
cubs223425@reddit
Most of the hardware to make those systems work passes through China. I don't doubt they could find a way around it. Wouldn't be surprised if the data centers GM uses for China are separate. They already do this in gaming, where they use middlemen like NetEase to handle traffic for World of Warcraft and other titles.
This is a nation where you have people modifying the hardware on Nvidia GPUs to make memory configurations that don't exist and aren't supported. They have direct involvement in making a lot of the products that would be affected. Like, I don't think GM brought back China-exclusive Cadillac CT6 and China has no idea what to do with it.
itsy05h1eggz@reddit
i feel we all know they would be, which is probably part of the reason they are banned from being here :(
Carl-99999@reddit
I mean, the U.S will not let it in or make a competitor, so it’s an insulated market of large trucks.
Seref15@reddit
It took only like a decade for Hyundai/Kia to damn near take over the segment. If it's allowed to be sold and competitive it could do well.
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
Was South korea ever the geopolitical competitor to the US that China is now?
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
Complicated question, but the short answer is that Hyundai actually started as a US military contractor back when South Korea was a US-backed dictatorship.
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
Right. So when people say “but whubbout Hyundai” it’s the exact opposite of the gotcha they think it is.
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
Depends on the person and what they're saying, I suppose.
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
It doesn’t “depend” on anything. The analogy of Hyundai only works because these people are being casually racist and lumping “Asian car companies” together with zero understanding of the world and the situation beyond that.
If you can’t see how it’s different that the US allowed and encouraged Korean carmakers to do business here and will Never do the same with China, I oegitiamtl t don’t think you are capable of having a serious conversation about this.
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
Mate, I haven't said any of those things. All I did was answer your question about whether Korea was ever a geopolitical competitor to the US, and which I believe I was pretty clear is a complicated question to answer.
Generally, it's also a pretty weird question to ask because being in 'competition' is a thing you decide on, not something that is assigned to you at the first day of the UN by a magical sorting hat, or whatever: The US is in geopolitical opposition to China because it wants to be.
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
You should look up basically any Chinese military and foreign policy doctrine from ~2010 to the present if you think the US and China are enemies because the US “wants to be”
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
Can't imagine why Chinese foreign policy doctrine might take into account the fact the US has nuked one of China's neighbours, backed a junta in another, used chemical weapons on multiple others, actively runs torture sites in yet another, has spent the last twenty-odd years occupying another, and has repeatedly shown willingness to prop up the global drug trade while publicly espousing itself as morally opposed to it.
It's not like the US hasn't spent the last seventy years making it abundantly clear to the world that it is dangerous and duplicitous or anything.
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
Lmfao. Tankie gonna tankie. Have fun living in your insane bizarre world.
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
Yeah man "the United States nuked Japan" is a super tankie thing. Nailed it.
cookingboy@reddit
Talking about insulated I just watched the video, and this $35k car has better sound insulation than a Rolls Royce Spectre according to Edmond’s test.
I think within the next 5-10 years the phrase “Chinese quality” will mean something completely different to most people around the globe. Maybe less so to insulated Americans, but definitely to the rest of the world.
UnderaZiaSun@reddit
China is already quite capable of manufacturing high quality goods. I have friends who have parts machined in China and it’s all a matter of what you want to pay. If you want high quality items they can do it for a price. If you just want a lot of low quality stuff cranked out for cheap, they are more than happy to sell you that as well.
cassandra4932@reddit
💯 A lot of people forget that “Chinese quality” refers to the iPhone just as much as it does a toy shovel at the dollar store.
strongmanass@reddit
Clever phrasing from them:
More relevantly:
Their Spectre review
8.8 decibels is quite a difference.
For more context, here's their list of quietest SUVs. The loudest on that list is the BMW X1, which is 62.7 dB at 70 mph. The M9 is good value but still not as quiet as some ICE SUVs. I think Edmunds did it a disservice by comparing the idle volume to a Spectre. It is better, but they put a target on its back. They should've just said it's the quietest and moved on.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
There is nothing banning them from entering the market. There is a price for exporting to almost every country, including China.
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
There is actually an incoming direct US ban on Chinese cars/components/software in 2027. Also, very few places have tariffs as much as 100%. Usually it's more like 10-25%.
cookingboy@reddit
At this point the Chinese should just ban GM/Ford/Tesla for “national security reasons”.
People say the Chinese are trying to destroy the American auto companies, if that’s the case kicking them out of China would be very effective.
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
People are, shall we say, not very smart.
Wizard-In-Disguise@reddit
Don't fret, Geely's gonna import it as a Smart or a Polestar then
mustangfan12@reddit
They also need to revise the interior for America and have more buttons. The interior looks too distracting for American roada
oneonus@reddit
Canada excited to received them and buy them!!
techtimee@reddit
Lol. At Canadian prices of course.
bmwm392@reddit
Needs a better name than “Geely” - sounds like a cartoon character.
strongmanass@reddit
Scat Pack
Hellcat
Blackwing
Mustang
Exploder
Bronco
RAM
First one sounds like shit and the rest sound like cosplay. From the right lens all car naming trends are silly.
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
Wait until you find out about Jeep.
cookingboy@reddit
From the test in the video, the $35k Geely has better sound insulation than Rolls Royce Spectre, the quietest car from a western OEM.
And people here didn’t believe me when I said my family member’s Huawei M9, an actual luxury SUV that costs $70k even in China, is more luxurious than a fully loaded S-class.
gdnws@reddit
According to their tests, that is true at idle only with the m9 scoring 32.5 db and the Spectre 35.9. At a 70 mph cruise it is 65.2 for the m9 and 56.4 for the Spectre. They did not give a full throttle acceleration noise rating for the m9 in the article and I didn't catch one in the video.
OR_Miata@reddit
At what point do these become so cheap that even with a 100% tariff they are still competitive?
The article states a price of $25k and that it competes with the Kia telluride/palisade, which are ~$40-$60k. Even at $60k you could argue this would be a competitive product in the US for those specs.
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
You'd still have to deal with the fact that the US has bans on Chinese components.
OR_Miata@reddit
True. I feel like the second any of this gets lifted our auto industry is cooked.
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
Your auto industry is cooked if it doesn't get lifted. Ford and GM can't compete on global markets if they exist in a bubble.
OR_Miata@reddit
Yeah I agree. Honestly our auto industry deserves it, they reap what they sow.
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
Eh, a bit of agree/disagree there. On GM's part they've actively engaged in the Chinese market (and larger Asian market) for a long time establishing competency centres like PATAC and GM Korea (aka, Daewoo), and building brands like Baojun.
But they'll be hobbled anyways if Michigan is cut off from the rest of the world.
OR_Miata@reddit
I guess I see it more as American auto manufacturers lack the ability to innovate anymore. They are going the way of Russian brands (albeit much slower) because there is no market competition, and the longer this goes on the more complacent they get and the harder they will fall when the market opens up. They will eventually have to compete one way or another.
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
Did American automakers ever lead on innovation?
I could maybe see the case being made for Ford and the invention of the manufacturing line, but by my reading of history if we're talking innovation, surely that's been out the door since at least the 1960s. Even the 1950s was defined by post-war attempts to copy the Europeans.
cookingboy@reddit
Ford and GM will be reduced to NA market only OEMs in 10 years.
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
What American political party do you think is going to welcome Chinese sigint platforms to the streets?
Euler007@reddit
Pretty much every Chinese car would be competitive in the US if the prices weren't artificially doubled.
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
I’ve got no issue with Chinese cars either being imported here with the reasonable tarriffs or being built here. Polestar does it, no reason any of the others couldn’t do the same.
costafilh0@reddit
What a waste of time.
They will always be tariffed out of competitiveness.
Forget about it.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
Highly doubt it would be $25k if this model is made in America and design for America.
Besides, if this car is sold under dealerships, you wouldn’t really get that price. Dealerships decide the price, they can sell you unnecessary full spec and find reason to mark up.
Ziakel@reddit
Would love to see more of it in US. By the time this gets here, it gotta be in the 60-70k.
Warranty and repairability is also questionable but Geely is a big group.
US legacy automakers would lobby against this so hard citing privacy and some other shit.
Fettekatze@reddit
That quarter mile speed and weight suggests more like 400hp.
Recoil42@reddit (OP)
Video review here.
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