Stellantis was the only Big Three automaker to post a sales gain last quarter
Posted by Redeemed_Expert9694@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 88 comments
Posted by Redeemed_Expert9694@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 88 comments
RAM_AIR_IV@reddit
Well when your sales are hot garbage and have been falling for years, this isn't exactly super hard to do
NightwingMillenial@reddit
Right, it’s not hard to go up from near zero, I would assume 🤷♂️
ZaheerAlGhul@reddit
I share the same thoughts about the Giulia
NightwingMillenial@reddit
Specially with an Accord Sport! Fun and reliable is hard to beat.
uberdosage@reddit
Fun?
NightwingMillenial@reddit
Yes, for a daily the right Civic or Accord and the like are zippy, and reliable. Specially if you can get em tuned!
I’m not saying it’s fast, but you don’t need a fast car to have a car that gives you some joy to drive.
NarcoticCow@reddit
I think the 2.0T Sport Touring was the fun zippy one to get
NightwingMillenial@reddit
Yeah, it’s too bad they discontinued them! Big fan of that engine too, specially if you could get it in a manual.
ZaheerAlGhul@reddit
I really wanted the 2.0 with the Manual. sadly they were rare and usually bought as soon as they hit the dealer lot. wish Honda gave us an Accord Type R but they’re too conservative to do it.
BoofMasterQuan2@reddit
One of the best platforms on the market
mustangfan12@reddit
The Charger Sixpack isn't off to a great start, it sold worse than the Charger EV last year Q1
cwatson214@reddit
Because regardless of powetrain, they are overpriced
mustangfan12@reddit
They're priced well for the performance they offer, the main issue is there's no affordable base model to get people into this platform
Most Chargers sold were V6s and RTs and were affordable for the average car buyer even in the final year. If there was an affordable base model more people would've been willing to give the expensive model a chance
Pliskin_Hayter@reddit
Thats actually false. Tim Kunisksis himself said it verbatim when they unveiled the Charger Widebody. They sold more V8s combined than V6s.
chiggenNuggs@reddit
That’s what I find so ridiculous. I know Stellantis got hyper-obsessed with margin and pretending like they were suddenly a luxury OEM, but how on earth did they think that cancelling a car that was a volume seller at $30k and replacing it with one that was $60k would be a resounding success?
Dodge is not a premium nameplate and they need to drop this whole charade.
SacredWinner442@reddit
how much do you want a tti6 making 550 hp to cost? a new m340i can go over 70k sometimes.
Bld556@reddit
Wrong! The new Charger Six Pack models are priced just right, especially for all the outstanding standard features & technology you get.
Some of the budget/broke crowd just expect a premium AWD/RWD vehicle with 550 HP/420 HP I6 powertrain should be cheap just because it's a Dodge.
Bld556@reddit
Good! Less dusty YN's & Joe Dirt types with Six Pack/Daytona EV models like mine cluttering the roads.
Vhozite@reddit
Yeah I thought it was funny that they tried to frame the Sixpack’s sales as good since it was outselling the EV “7-1” when that paltry ~1700 is still a precipitous drop off from the last gen.
For contrast in 2023 (last M.Y.) the Challenger moved over 11k units in Q1.
Redeemed_Expert9694@reddit (OP)
I'm glad the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer are having a sales surge. They really are class-leading cars
hi_im_bored13@reddit
prepare for 93 ppl who have never touched a wagoneer to explain to you how a lx700h is somehow a better car
Pliskin_Hayter@reddit
You're giving too much credit. Literally like 99% of the Chrysler haters on this sub have absolutely zero argument beyond "Its a Chrysler"
Redeemed_Expert9694@reddit (OP)
I've been in both; Wagoneer is nicer hands down.
The issue isn't the people fawning over the LX, it's people who somehow think the Tahoe/Yukon are better because popularity = better
The latest Tahoe/Yukon, are really not that good
hi_im_bored13@reddit
I like the wagoneer over the rest of the segment as well, short of the Escalade, but I imagine most ppl are going to be speccing it closer to a Tahoe/Yukon as you said & not 100k+
In comparos it almost always clears the navigator & even vs. the escalade they praise the fantastic ride & incredibly smooth hurricane. It really is a fantastic car undermined by stellantis greedy pricing & early teething issues, but those have been sorted
My only issue personally is that it is a jeep w/ jeep cues but I think that has some charm to it as well
gdnws@reddit
I've spent a lot of time watching a lot of reviews recently and most that I saw also said something similar; that the ride and interior were generally better than the GM counterparts. And I found myself agreeing in general. I like the interior but the exterior isn't my favourite. I don't find it as bad as I've seen some say but it wouldn't be a look back at it after I park it vehicle for me.
RAMBIGHORNY@reddit
I’m someone who actually buys this class of vehicles new, have a Suburban and Yukon XL in the stable right now, familiar with all the offerings. The Wagoneer lacks a Super Cruise/Blue Cruise system, which is a major disadvantage. It’s an absolute game changer, especially for East Coast highways. They also have a gorgeous Tupelo interior, but gatekeep it to only the highest trim which is stupid, the gray and black interiors every other trim gets are just kind of boring.
man__i__love__frogs@reddit
Hot take, the Armada is best in class. Best ride, comfort and best off road performance too. It's also not going to have engine problems, because it's an old design from the GTR.
AwesomeBantha@reddit
I don’t actually care if the 700h is a better car, I just want to trick people into buying them new so that I can get a better deal when it’s 23 years old off the 3rd owner
392_hemi@reddit
Never seen anyone compare the Wagoneers to the the LX700h . Most people and r/cars compare wagoneers to escalades and navigators. Some people just love to talk out of their as*es
hi_im_bored13@reddit
the lx comparison was a bit of an exaggeration, usually it's wagoneers to navigators & escalades & escalades + qx80s to LXs, so one level removed
but even within those comparisons people pretend like the wagoneer is some shitbox relative to the navigator when it's a perfectly competitive product
AwesomeBantha@reddit
I just remember seeing the posts on mechanic subs when they came out about the absolute terrible quality assurance work done on them. Like, empty soda cans in door cards, random sensors just never plugged in, infotainment screens that would crash all the time with no resolution. It sounded good or okay on paper but in practice it seemed to be the wordt assembled vehicle Stellantis was making.
392_hemi@reddit
You are right about the last sentence. Wagoneers are sweet
SuzukiSandwich@reddit
My dad had a 2021 GW fail totally, got it swapped for a second that failed totally. Transmission issues from towing. (Well under capacity)
wolfpack_57@reddit
I was just in Destin Florida and a Wagoneer was every 5th car. Oddly enough it seems to have replaced the QX80 which was doing great in Destin in ‘22. The Ram chassis is great, shame they had to ugly it up with those weird window trims among other things
your_grandmas_FUPA@reddit
Thats all the tourists from Alabama and Georgia.
Bernard_Federko24@reddit
Have they made power folding mirrors standard yet?
BigPK66@reddit
That's really funny 🤣
495orange@reddit
Well if your sales go from 1 to 2, you have a 100% increase in sales. You have to look deeper into the numbers.
SgtHondo@reddit
I mean they couldn’t go any lower so, good for them I suppose?
blazbluecore@reddit
I wonder what their bets selling vehicles are. I know Wranglers have to be because they’re one of the few unique things about Jeep/Stellantis
dontbeslo@reddit
Omg, no idea how they did this. Have been to several Stellantis stores and they were all shady as hell pulling every trick in the book
blazbluecore@reddit
Worked at one. So much illegal shit going on. It’s insane to me that industry isn’t regulated to death.(yeah I know the lobbying dollars are strong)
hermitcraftfan135@reddit
Subreddit in shambles rn
echo78@reddit
I only lurk this sub very casually and even then the amount of Stellantis hate here is so noticeable.
Gobbledygooker316@reddit
Feel like Reddit shits on any carmaker that isn’t Toyota or Honda.
Training-Context-69@reddit
Pretty much.
404merrinessnotfound@reddit
It’s like the carscirclejerk for mitsubishi
RicardoMoyer@reddit
not true
mine is hot garbage, doesn’t even have carplay or blindspot monitoring and every time you drive over a pothole the coilovers touch your bum
GreatWhiteLuchador@reddit
Yea but in this case they deserve it
AtomWorker@reddit
3% rise to 305,902. Ford achieved 457k and GM 626k in the same period. Those numbers paint a different picture than the one the headline's trying to portray and that's on top of the fact that this bump was almost definitely driven by big discounts. While that's a sensible tactic, it's only viable short term and tends to be a net negative in the long run. Meaningful, sustained shifts in strategy take years to bear fruit.
JARDIS@reddit
RAM owners in shambles for sure. Need an extra loan just for the fuel to drive to the supermarket.
Jmauld@reddit
You mean fuel to drive to the alcohol store.
Ok_Combination_4482@reddit
Fuel econ is really not that bad u guys over dramatize it.
Key-Win-1366@reddit
It's basically irrelevant to a new car buyer, the depreciation is much more important to worry about
FangNut@reddit
4 to 5 is a gain. 500 to 495 is a drop.
See? /s
SacredWinner442@reddit
Sure but RAM sales are up 20 percent and for good reason.
young-elderberry@reddit
Do we even consider Stellantis to be American? I don't. The Big Three is a figment of the past.
ChasedWarrior@reddit
I'd say the Big 3 is GM, Ford and Toyota.
Puzzled_Ad_3072@reddit
VW, Toyota, Ford if you do the global market.
SomeMrcl@reddit
VAG, Stellantis and Toyota
DreadedFate7@reddit
If we are talking about sales then it's actually Toyota, VW, and Hyundai.
mini4x@reddit
VW more money, makes better profits. So it depends on your metrics. Toyota sold almost 2 million more cars than VAG last year.
Pyju@reddit
What? Ford doesn’t belong there, they are only 6th place in global sales and behind both GM and Stellantis.
varzaguy@reddit
GM has always been bigger than ford out of the American companies globally anyways no? So it doubly makes no sense haha.
inaccurateTempedesc@reddit
BYD too at this point
Puzzled_Ad_3072@reddit
They have more sales than ford already... That's insane...
Pixelplanet5@reddit
yea thats what decades of protectionism gets the companies in the long run.
Ford has fallen hard in their best markets in Europe.
For example Germany used to be a big market for Ford and they sold less in their best recent year then they sold just the Ford Fiesta in 2009.
Turns out sleeping on your hand full of successful vehicles for over a decade and not innovating anything doesnt sell cars if the government doesnt work to keep competitors out of your market.
Redeemed_Expert9694@reddit (OP)
lol you're joking
No way is Ford bigger than Hyundai or Stellantis globally
J0kutyypp1@reddit
I consider Chrysler side of Stellantis to be one of the big three but as a whole Stellantis absolutely isn't American
Ok_Combination_4482@reddit
Quasimodo predicted this
RAMBIGHORNY@reddit
Stellantis never had the makings of a varsity automaker
Roy_McDunno@reddit
Sopranoscirclejerk is leaking
goingnowhere21@reddit
Nostradamus!
costafilh0@reddit
Did they made a profit?
That is the important part.
daxelkurtz@reddit
The "sales gain" here is number of units sold, NOT income.
Stellantis is offering massive discounts across most of its lineup. So I'm not surprised it sold more units.
If I were an industry analyst, I would ask if massive discounts only resulting in a 4% unit sale increase was good, or like, not at all good.
I would also ask what %age of those units sold were sold at a loss.
I would also ask what these juiced sales now imply about future sales.
"Flight to liquidity" is not just a Gladiator cutting across a curb to get to a gas station.
farrrtttttrrrrrrrrtr@reddit
Tesla with a 6% YoY gain btw
Fearless_Neat_6654@reddit
Chrysler should just roll over and die already.
They already call their minivan "Grand Caravan" here in Canada; it'd be easy for them to slap a Dodge badge on and call it a day.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
If you keep Chrysler there, you could get French models from Peugeot side in one day.
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Jmauld@reddit
Stellantis is NOT an american company, they are not part of the “Big Three at this point. The US just has GM, Ford, Tesla and a handful of boutiques.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
Well, Alfa sales is not good.
KingHauler@reddit
Despite their best efforts, stellantis cars are actually pretty decent, with a lot of features.
paulcthemantosee@reddit
Lots of stupid people out there buying their cars. Or guys in the military who don't know any better.
OldGuyBush@reddit
I’m a big Ram 1500 fan but I also think stellantis is shooting themselves in the foot with pricing along with their obvious poor planning. The new Cherokee seems like it’s going to be a huge flop unless they are massively discounted. And that’s the most competitive segment with huge sales opportunities.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Stellantis is doing well because of phenomenal engineering and quality like this
https://youtu.be/sD2xAak8zvE?t=1035&si=GRx1iKN5pb10aUII
AddressRadiant8768@reddit
rivian_specialist
SnowDucks1985@reddit
I mean the bar for Stellantis is in hell, now they’re in purgatory I suppose. But a win is a win so good for them lol